"Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message
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On Fri, 30 Nov 2007 05:21:01 -0800 (PST), wrote:

Reminds me of being in the Gulf, out from Tarpon Springs. Biggest salt
water trout I have ever had on a hook. I was shaking with glee, told
my friend Bud, when I get it up to the bow, reach down and grab the
leader and swing it in the boat. Well, we all know that trout have
weak lips...... Bud grabs the leader, swings the fish not INTO the
boat, but whacks it on the side of the boat........goodbye fishie,
indeed!

Fortunately, I learned while a teenager about handling game fish at
the boat. I had a great mentor with Captain Hendrickson out of
Marblehead as a teen learning the "trade".

In Scott's defense, the type of fishing he does for trout doesn't
readily translate to bigger game fish. He has a tendency to fight the
fish with line rather than rod tip. The result is that the rod tip is
much lower and when something heavy hooked up, the rod ends up
pointing at the fish which allows the line to go slack rather than
tight. Low rod tips work with trout (although it's not the preferred
method) - not with 6 pound large mouth or a 12 pound bluefish.

What happened with that fish was he, with some "intense" coaching, got
the fish to the boat, but blew it when he pointed the tip at the fish
and got in my way not giving me a chance to grab the line for netting.

He'll learn.

I'll make sure of it. He's already had an introduction into how I
feel about losing a decent fish at the boat. :)


I'm suprised you didn't send him to 'sleep with the fishes'!

On Nov 30, 11:20 am, "Reginald P. Smithers III"
wrote:
wrote:
On Nov 29, 6:00 pm, Short Wave Sportfishing
wrote:
On Thu, 29 Nov 2007 13:45:58 -0800 (PST), wrote:
On Nov 29, 4:39 pm, wrote:
On Nov 29, 4:33 pm, Short Wave Sportfishing
wrote:
Damn - I never knew that.
Yes you did
And I'll tell y'all another thing......
If you need your bait to go to the bottom, they have these things
called weights that you can use that will do that for you, they are
smaller than a comparable size rock. Now you know my secret............
Wow - that's really informative.

Do you also use a rod with a reel or just a cane pole? :)

Both will work! It's an amazing thing. The weight actually makes the
lure/bait sink......
I've seen it with my own eyes!

Does one brand seem to work better than the other?- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Yes, of course....only the most expensive ones in the store will catch
fish......sheesh, anybody knows that!

"Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message
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On Fri, 30 Nov 2007 05:14:25 -0800 (PST), wrote:

On Nov 29, 6:00 pm, Short Wave Sportfishing
wrote:
On Thu, 29 Nov 2007 13:45:58 -0800 (PST), wrote:
On Nov 29, 4:39 pm, wrote:
On Nov 29, 4:33 pm, Short Wave Sportfishing
wrote:

Damn - I never knew that.

Yes you did

And I'll tell y'all another thing......
If you need your bait to go to the bottom, they have these things
called weights that you can use that will do that for you, they are
smaller than a comparable size rock. Now you know my secret............

Wow - that's really informative.

Do you also use a rod with a reel or just a cane pole? :)

Both will work! It's an amazing thing. The weight actually makes the
lure/bait sink......
I've seen it with my own eyes!

Well, then I guess it's true.

Stones worked great years ago, and probably work well now. As well as
sparkplugs. We used to use sparkplugs casting into the rocky area of the
Pacific shoreline as they were cheap and you put them on a dropper and saved
the rest of rig when you snagged. As to the rocks, a few years ago when we
were traveling in Italy, we went to the fishing museum on Lake Trasimeno.
They had bronze hooks from the Romans as well as weights that were a worked
circle of rocks that were recovered from the lake bottom, We a really
interesting museum. Lake was a large shallow body of water, that looked
nasty. Talked to a couple of guys that had been bass fishing, and loading
an about 16' Tracker bass boat. Cost them about 2x what they cost here. I
think the website for the museum is http://www.museodellapesca.ch/ .

On Fri, 30 Nov 2007 10:29:44 -0800 (PST), wrote:

On Nov 30, 11:20 am, "Reginald P. Smithers III"
wrote:
wrote:
On Nov 29, 6:00 pm, Short Wave Sportfishing
wrote:
On Thu, 29 Nov 2007 13:45:58 -0800 (PST), wrote:
On Nov 29, 4:39 pm, wrote:
On Nov 29, 4:33 pm, Short Wave Sportfishing
wrote:
Damn - I never knew that.
Yes you did
And I'll tell y'all another thing......
If you need your bait to go to the bottom, they have these things
called weights that you can use that will do that for you, they are
smaller than a comparable size rock. Now you know my secret............
Wow - that's really informative.

Do you also use a rod with a reel or just a cane pole? :)

Both will work! It's an amazing thing. The weight actually makes the
lure/bait sink......
I've seen it with my own eyes!

Does one brand seem to work better than the other?- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Yes, of course....only the most expensive ones in the store will catch
fish......sheesh, anybody knows that!

The most expensive ones with the pretty colors.

On Fri, 30 Nov 2007 13:49:45 -0400, "Don White"
wrote:


"Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message
.. .
On Fri, 30 Nov 2007 05:21:01 -0800 (PST), wrote:

Reminds me of being in the Gulf, out from Tarpon Springs. Biggest salt
water trout I have ever had on a hook. I was shaking with glee, told
my friend Bud, when I get it up to the bow, reach down and grab the
leader and swing it in the boat. Well, we all know that trout have
weak lips...... Bud grabs the leader, swings the fish not INTO the
boat, but whacks it on the side of the boat........goodbye fishie,
indeed!

Fortunately, I learned while a teenager about handling game fish at
the boat. I had a great mentor with Captain Hendrickson out of
Marblehead as a teen learning the "trade".

In Scott's defense, the type of fishing he does for trout doesn't
readily translate to bigger game fish. He has a tendency to fight the
fish with line rather than rod tip. The result is that the rod tip is
much lower and when something heavy hooked up, the rod ends up
pointing at the fish which allows the line to go slack rather than
tight. Low rod tips work with trout (although it's not the preferred
method) - not with 6 pound large mouth or a 12 pound bluefish.

What happened with that fish was he, with some "intense" coaching, got
the fish to the boat, but blew it when he pointed the tip at the fish
and got in my way not giving me a chance to grab the line for netting.

He'll learn.

I'll make sure of it. He's already had an introduction into how I
feel about losing a decent fish at the boat. :)

I'm suprised you didn't send him to 'sleep with the fishes'!

Trust me - he came close. :)

"Calif Bill" wrote in message
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"Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message
...
On Fri, 30 Nov 2007 05:14:25 -0800 (PST), wrote:

On Nov 29, 6:00 pm, Short Wave Sportfishing
wrote:
On Thu, 29 Nov 2007 13:45:58 -0800 (PST), wrote:
On Nov 29, 4:39 pm, wrote:
On Nov 29, 4:33 pm, Short Wave Sportfishing
wrote:

Damn - I never knew that.

Yes you did

And I'll tell y'all another thing......
If you need your bait to go to the bottom, they have these things
called weights that you can use that will do that for you, they are
smaller than a comparable size rock. Now you know my
secret............

Wow - that's really informative.

Do you also use a rod with a reel or just a cane pole? :)

Both will work! It's an amazing thing. The weight actually makes the
lure/bait sink......
I've seen it with my own eyes!

Well, then I guess it's true.

Stones worked great years ago, and probably work well now. As well as
sparkplugs. We used to use sparkplugs casting into the rocky area of the
Pacific shoreline as they were cheap and you put them on a dropper and
saved the rest of rig when you snagged. As to the rocks, a few years ago
when we were traveling in Italy, we went to the fishing museum on Lake
Trasimeno. They had bronze hooks from the Romans as well as weights that
were a worked circle of rocks that were recovered from the lake bottom,
We a really interesting museum. Lake was a large shallow body of water,
that looked nasty. Talked to a couple of guys that had been bass fishing,
and loading an about 16' Tracker bass boat. Cost them about 2x what they
cost here. I think the website for the museum is
http://www.museodellapesca.ch/ .


Wrong museo. Probably http://www.museodellapesca.it/

On Fri, 30 Nov 2007 11:59:41 -0800, "Calif Bill"
wrote:



Stones worked great years ago, and probably work well now. As well as
sparkplugs. We used to use sparkplugs casting into the rocky area of the
Pacific shoreline as they were cheap and you put them on a dropper and
saved the rest of rig when you snagged. As to the rocks, a few years ago
when we were traveling in Italy, we went to the fishing museum on Lake
Trasimeno. They had bronze hooks from the Romans as well as weights that
were a worked circle of rocks that were recovered from the lake bottom,
We a really interesting museum. Lake was a large shallow body of water,
that looked nasty. Talked to a couple of guys that had been bass fishing,
and loading an about 16' Tracker bass boat. Cost them about 2x what they
cost here. I think the website for the museum is
http://www.museodellapesca.ch/ .


Wrong museo. Probably http://www.museodellapesca.it/


Some years ago when I read a lot about fishing, and had and used an
ultra-light rig for a while, I read about European ultra-light
fishing.
They actually hook and line fish for what we in the U.S. would
consider very small minnows.
Tiny hooks made by watchmakers, and line from spider webs. The "rod"
is the pinky finger, the only thing sensitive enough to feel a "hit"
without getting obscene.
They just rub the hook against material that had contained something
smelly to "bait" it. Fascinating, and quite surprising.

--Vic

On Nov 30, 2:55 pm, "Calif Bill" wrote:
"Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in messagenews:sgg0l355ke1v41c5pt8sdooaav5ikc07vo@4ax .com...





On Fri, 30 Nov 2007 05:14:25 -0800 (PST), wrote:

On Nov 29, 6:00 pm, Short Wave Sportfishing
wrote:
On Thu, 29 Nov 2007 13:45:58 -0800 (PST), wrote:
On Nov 29, 4:39 pm, wrote:
On Nov 29, 4:33 pm, Short Wave Sportfishing
wrote:

Damn - I never knew that.

Yes you did

And I'll tell y'all another thing......
If you need your bait to go to the bottom, they have these things
called weights that you can use that will do that for you, they are
smaller than a comparable size rock. Now you know my secret............

Wow - that's really informative.

Do you also use a rod with a reel or just a cane pole? :)

Both will work! It's an amazing thing. The weight actually makes the
lure/bait sink......
I've seen it with my own eyes!

Well, then I guess it's true.

Stones worked great years ago, and probably work well now. As well as
sparkplugs. We used to use sparkplugs casting into the rocky area of the
Pacific shoreline as they were cheap and you put them on a dropper and saved
the rest of rig when you snagged. As to the rocks, a few years ago when we
were traveling in Italy, we went to the fishing museum on Lake Trasimeno.
They had bronze hooks from the Romans as well as weights that were a worked
circle of rocks that were recovered from the lake bottom, We a really
interesting museum. Lake was a large shallow body of water, that looked
nasty. Talked to a couple of guys that had been bass fishing, and loading
an about 16' Tracker bass boat. Cost them about 2x what they cost here. I
think the website for the museum ishttp://www.museodellapesca.ch/ .- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Let's have a little contest then, Bill. You use stones and sparkplugs
for weight, I'll use what I want and we'll go bass fishing and see who
has the best results........

On Nov 30, 2:57 pm, Short Wave Sportfishing
wrote:
On Fri, 30 Nov 2007 10:29:44 -0800 (PST), wrote:
On Nov 30, 11:20 am, "Reginald P. Smithers III"
wrote:
wrote:
On Nov 29, 6:00 pm, Short Wave Sportfishing
wrote:
On Thu, 29 Nov 2007 13:45:58 -0800 (PST), wrote:
On Nov 29, 4:39 pm, wrote:
On Nov 29, 4:33 pm, Short Wave Sportfishing
wrote:
Damn - I never knew that.
Yes you did
And I'll tell y'all another thing......
If you need your bait to go to the bottom, they have these things
called weights that you can use that will do that for you, they are
smaller than a comparable size rock. Now you know my secret............
Wow - that's really informative.

Do you also use a rod with a reel or just a cane pole? :)

Both will work! It's an amazing thing. The weight actually makes the
lure/bait sink......
I've seen it with my own eyes!

Does one brand seem to work better than the other?- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Yes, of course....only the most expensive ones in the store will catch
fish......sheesh, anybody knows that!

The most expensive ones with the pretty colors.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Ooops, forgot the pretty colors! Tell the truth, after I try to match
the color to conditions here on Lanier, and if I don't do any good
with that, chartreuse is the color of choice. Almost always works on
Lanier.

"Vic Smith" wrote in message
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On Fri, 30 Nov 2007 11:59:41 -0800, "Calif Bill"
wrote:



Stones worked great years ago, and probably work well now. As well as
sparkplugs. We used to use sparkplugs casting into the rocky area of
the
Pacific shoreline as they were cheap and you put them on a dropper and
saved the rest of rig when you snagged. As to the rocks, a few years
ago
when we were traveling in Italy, we went to the fishing museum on Lake
Trasimeno. They had bronze hooks from the Romans as well as weights that
were a worked circle of rocks that were recovered from the lake bottom,
We a really interesting museum. Lake was a large shallow body of water,
that looked nasty. Talked to a couple of guys that had been bass
fishing,
and loading an about 16' Tracker bass boat. Cost them about 2x what
they
cost here. I think the website for the museum is
http://www.museodellapesca.ch/ .


Wrong museo. Probably http://www.museodellapesca.it/


Some years ago when I read a lot about fishing, and had and used an
ultra-light rig for a while, I read about European ultra-light
fishing.
They actually hook and line fish for what we in the U.S. would
consider very small minnows.
Tiny hooks made by watchmakers, and line from spider webs. The "rod"
is the pinky finger, the only thing sensitive enough to feel a "hit"
without getting obscene.
They just rub the hook against material that had contained something
smelly to "bait" it. Fascinating, and quite surprising.

--Vic

They used some large hooks. Those bronze hooks 2000 years old, looked very
good shape and looked like a modern hook in design. They still use
fishtraps of the same design. More modern materials, but same design to
commercially fish.