The Great OS Upodate
 

Well, I am taking the plunge.
I am updating my old IBM T23 laptop from Win2k to WINXP Pro.
It's a great little laptop, though technology long passed it by, and at
the moment it only has 384KB of memory. If the update "takes," I'll
update the RAM to 512KB.

This is the machine I let household guests use.

Gosh, if it works out, I'll be as up to date OS-wise as the great
computer gurus here.

The Great OS Upodate
 

On Nov 29, 8:44 am, HK wrote:
Well, I am taking the plunge.
I am updating my old IBM T23 laptop from Win2k to WINXP Pro.
It's a great little laptop, though technology long passed it by, and at
the moment it only has 384KB of memory. If the update "takes," I'll
update the RAM to 512KB.

This is the machine I let household guests use.

Gosh, if it works out, I'll be as up to date OS-wise as the great
computer gurus here.

Yeah, that's a problem. Someone changes a harddrive, or installs
windows and they think they are a CNE.. We go in and clean up their
messes, all the time;)

The Great OS Upodate
 

The Great OS Upodate
 

On Nov 29, 8:55 am, HK wrote:
wrote:
On Nov 29, 8:44 am, HK wrote:
Well, I am taking the plunge.
I am updating my old IBM T23 laptop from Win2k to WINXP Pro.
It's a great little laptop, though technology long passed it by, and at
the moment it only has 384KB of memory. If the update "takes," I'll
update the RAM to 512KB.

This is the machine I let household guests use.

Gosh, if it works out, I'll be as up to date OS-wise as the great
computer gurus here.

Yeah, that's a problem. Someone changes a harddrive, or installs
windows and they think they are a CNE.. We go in and clean up their
messes, all the time;)

Hopefully, it won't be a problem. I repartioned the single hard drive
and am reformatting it to get rid of all traces of the old OS. There's
an active mailing list for the IBM (now Lenovo) portables, and the gurus
there said I should be able to do the OS upgrade with minimal hassle.
The only worry I have is being able to find all the device drivers, but
I was assured that won't be a serious issue. We shall see. I also have a
master driver CD around somewhere...

Though I like the IBM portables, this is my last, since the new owner of
"Thinkpads" is now a mainland Chinese company.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

I always end up back with Toshiba, and I use mine in the shop! Going
to XP you should have few driver problems. The only poblem we are
having is some of the drivers want to see "C" as the boot drive, and
we have Vista there...

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JimH wrote:
wrote in message
...
On Nov 29, 8:55 am, HK wrote:
wrote:
On Nov 29, 8:44 am, HK wrote:
Well, I am taking the plunge.
I am updating my old IBM T23 laptop from Win2k to WINXP Pro.
It's a great little laptop, though technology long passed it by, and
at
the moment it only has 384KB of memory. If the update "takes," I'll
update the RAM to 512KB.
This is the machine I let household guests use.
Gosh, if it works out, I'll be as up to date OS-wise as the great
computer gurus here.
Yeah, that's a problem. Someone changes a harddrive, or installs
windows and they think they are a CNE.. We go in and clean up their
messes, all the time;)
Hopefully, it won't be a problem. I repartioned the single hard drive
and am reformatting it to get rid of all traces of the old OS. There's
an active mailing list for the IBM (now Lenovo) portables, and the gurus
there said I should be able to do the OS upgrade with minimal hassle.
The only worry I have is being able to find all the device drivers, but
I was assured that won't be a serious issue. We shall see. I also have a
master driver CD around somewhere...

Though I like the IBM portables, this is my last, since the new owner of
"Thinkpads" is now a mainland Chinese company.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -
I always end up back with Toshiba, and I use mine in the shop! Going
to XP you should have few driver problems. The only poblem we are
having is some of the drivers want to see "C" as the boot drive, and
we have Vista there...

VISTA????????? OMG, your computers must be crashing all the time. :-)




If that happens, just call 1-800-REGGIE-SUX for tech support.

The Great OS Upodate
 

HK wrote:

Though I like the IBM portables, this is my last, since the new owner of
"Thinkpads" is now a mainland Chinese company.


More like an arm of the PRC's military-industrial-espionage complex. You
can't separate "companies" in the PRC from the government.

The Great OS Upodate
 

HK wrote:
JimH wrote:
wrote in message
...
On Nov 29, 8:55 am, HK wrote:
wrote:
On Nov 29, 8:44 am, HK wrote:
Well, I am taking the plunge.
I am updating my old IBM T23 laptop from Win2k to WINXP Pro.
It's a great little laptop, though technology long passed it by,
and at
the moment it only has 384KB of memory. If the update "takes," I'll
update the RAM to 512KB.
This is the machine I let household guests use.
Gosh, if it works out, I'll be as up to date OS-wise as the great
computer gurus here.
Yeah, that's a problem. Someone changes a harddrive, or installs
windows and they think they are a CNE.. We go in and clean up their
messes, all the time;)
Hopefully, it won't be a problem. I repartioned the single hard drive
and am reformatting it to get rid of all traces of the old OS. There's
an active mailing list for the IBM (now Lenovo) portables, and the
gurus
there said I should be able to do the OS upgrade with minimal hassle.
The only worry I have is being able to find all the device drivers, but
I was assured that won't be a serious issue. We shall see. I also
have a
master driver CD around somewhere...

Though I like the IBM portables, this is my last, since the new
owner of
"Thinkpads" is now a mainland Chinese company.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -
I always end up back with Toshiba, and I use mine in the shop! Going
to XP you should have few driver problems. The only poblem we are
having is some of the drivers want to see "C" as the boot drive, and
we have Vista there...

VISTA????????? OMG, your computers must be crashing all the time. :-)



If that happens, just call 1-800-REGGIE-SUX for tech support.

Harry,
Why do you find it necessary to use childish insults?

The Great OS Upodate
 

On Nov 29, 9:02 am, HK wrote:
wrote:
On Nov 29, 8:55 am, HK wrote:
wrote:
On Nov 29, 8:44 am, HK wrote:
Well, I am taking the plunge.
I am updating my old IBM T23 laptop from Win2k to WINXP Pro.
It's a great little laptop, though technology long passed it by, and at
the moment it only has 384KB of memory. If the update "takes," I'll
update the RAM to 512KB.
This is the machine I let household guests use.
Gosh, if it works out, I'll be as up to date OS-wise as the great
computer gurus here.
Yeah, that's a problem. Someone changes a harddrive, or installs
windows and they think they are a CNE.. We go in and clean up their
messes, all the time;)
Hopefully, it won't be a problem. I repartioned the single hard drive
and am reformatting it to get rid of all traces of the old OS. There's
an active mailing list for the IBM (now Lenovo) portables, and the gurus
there said I should be able to do the OS upgrade with minimal hassle.
The only worry I have is being able to find all the device drivers, but
I was assured that won't be a serious issue. We shall see. I also have a
master driver CD around somewhere...

Though I like the IBM portables, this is my last, since the new owner of
"Thinkpads" is now a mainland Chinese company.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

I always end up back with Toshiba, and I use mine in the shop! Going
to XP you should have few driver problems. The only poblem we are
having is some of the drivers want to see "C" as the boot drive, and
we have Vista there...

You don't have a multiboot setup?- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Actually, this is the first one we have set up here.. as to multiple
OS, we just run about a half dozen computers;)

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Reginald P. Smithers III wrote:
HK wrote:
JimH wrote:
wrote in message
...
On Nov 29, 8:55 am, HK wrote:
wrote:
On Nov 29, 8:44 am, HK wrote:
Well, I am taking the plunge.
I am updating my old IBM T23 laptop from Win2k to WINXP Pro.
It's a great little laptop, though technology long passed it by,
and at
the moment it only has 384KB of memory. If the update "takes," I'll
update the RAM to 512KB.
This is the machine I let household guests use.
Gosh, if it works out, I'll be as up to date OS-wise as the great
computer gurus here.
Yeah, that's a problem. Someone changes a harddrive, or installs
windows and they think they are a CNE.. We go in and clean up their
messes, all the time;)
Hopefully, it won't be a problem. I repartioned the single hard drive
and am reformatting it to get rid of all traces of the old OS. There's
an active mailing list for the IBM (now Lenovo) portables, and the
gurus
there said I should be able to do the OS upgrade with minimal hassle.
The only worry I have is being able to find all the device drivers,
but
I was assured that won't be a serious issue. We shall see. I also
have a
master driver CD around somewhere...

Though I like the IBM portables, this is my last, since the new
owner of
"Thinkpads" is now a mainland Chinese company.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -
I always end up back with Toshiba, and I use mine in the shop! Going
to XP you should have few driver problems. The only poblem we are
having is some of the drivers want to see "C" as the boot drive, and
we have Vista there...

VISTA????????? OMG, your computers must be crashing all the time. :-)



If that happens, just call 1-800-REGGIE-SUX for tech support.

Harry,
Why do you find it necessary to use childish insults?



If you were a mensch, it wouldn't be necessary to treat you as a child.

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The Great OS Upodate
 

HK wrote:
at happens, just call 1-800-REGGIE-SUX for tech support.

Harry,
Why do you find it necessary to use childish insults?



If you were a mensch, it wouldn't be necessary to treat you as a child.

It really does reflect poorly on you, but feel free to continue.

The Great OS Upodate
 

Reginald P. Smithers III wrote:
HK wrote:
at happens, just call 1-800-REGGIE-SUX for tech support.

Harry,
Why do you find it necessary to use childish insults?



If you were a mensch, it wouldn't be necessary to treat you as a child.

It really does reflect poorly on you, but feel free to continue.



As I stated, if you were a mensch, you would be treated as one.

The Great OS Upodate
 

"BAR" wrote in message
...
HK wrote:

Though I like the IBM portables, this is my last, since the new owner of
"Thinkpads" is now a mainland Chinese company.


More like an arm of the PRC's military-industrial-espionage complex. You
can't separate "companies" in the PRC from the government.


We agree on something. Call the media - quick!

The Great OS Upodate
 

"HK" wrote in message
. ..
Well, I am taking the plunge.
I am updating my old IBM T23 laptop from Win2k to WINXP Pro.
It's a great little laptop, though technology long passed it by, and at
the moment it only has 384KB of memory. If the update "takes," I'll update
the RAM to 512KB.

This is the machine I let household guests use.

Gosh, if it works out, I'll be as up to date OS-wise as the great computer
gurus here.


Before you run Windows Update, you may want to read this slowly, three
times:

http://windowssecrets.com/comp/071129/#story1

And don't give me any crap about how your situation is an exception to what
the writer is talking about, or how your copy of XP is legit so none of this
matters.

The Great OS Upodate
 

"HK" wrote in message
. ..
wrote:
On Nov 29, 8:44 am, HK wrote:
Well, I am taking the plunge.
I am updating my old IBM T23 laptop from Win2k to WINXP Pro.
It's a great little laptop, though technology long passed it by, and at
the moment it only has 384KB of memory. If the update "takes," I'll
update the RAM to 512KB.

This is the machine I let household guests use.

Gosh, if it works out, I'll be as up to date OS-wise as the great
computer gurus here.

Yeah, that's a problem. Someone changes a harddrive, or installs
windows and they think they are a CNE.. We go in and clean up their
messes, all the time;)


Hopefully, it won't be a problem. I repartioned the single hard drive and
am reformatting it to get rid of all traces of the old OS. There's an
active mailing list for the IBM (now Lenovo) portables, and the gurus
there said I should be able to do the OS upgrade with minimal hassle. The
only worry I have is being able to find all the device drivers, but I was
assured that won't be a serious issue. We shall see. I also have a master
driver CD around somewhere...

Though I like the IBM portables, this is my last, since the new owner of
"Thinkpads" is now a mainland Chinese company.

ibm has an extensive list of all their models and drivers on their website.
They also have an autosizing utility
that will run on your laptop and automagically download and install.

At work we've used thousands of T23's (w xp pro)... found them to be rock
solid

enjoy.

Dennis

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dennis meissner wrote:

"HK" wrote in message
. ..
wrote:
On Nov 29, 8:44 am, HK wrote:
Well, I am taking the plunge.
I am updating my old IBM T23 laptop from Win2k to WINXP Pro.
It's a great little laptop, though technology long passed it by, and at
the moment it only has 384KB of memory. If the update "takes," I'll
update the RAM to 512KB.

This is the machine I let household guests use.

Gosh, if it works out, I'll be as up to date OS-wise as the great
computer gurus here.

Yeah, that's a problem. Someone changes a harddrive, or installs
windows and they think they are a CNE.. We go in and clean up their
messes, all the time;)


Hopefully, it won't be a problem. I repartioned the single hard drive
and am reformatting it to get rid of all traces of the old OS. There's
an active mailing list for the IBM (now Lenovo) portables, and the
gurus there said I should be able to do the OS upgrade with minimal
hassle. The only worry I have is being able to find all the device
drivers, but I was assured that won't be a serious issue. We shall
see. I also have a master driver CD around somewhere...

Though I like the IBM portables, this is my last, since the new owner
of "Thinkpads" is now a mainland Chinese company.

ibm has an extensive list of all their models and drivers on their
website. They also have an autosizing utility
that will run on your laptop and automagically download and install.

At work we've used thousands of T23's (w xp pro)... found them to be
rock solid

enjoy.

Dennis


Is that the old IBM thinkpad website, or the lenovo website?

The Great OS Upodate
 

JoeSpareBedroom wrote:
"HK" wrote in message
. ..
Well, I am taking the plunge.
I am updating my old IBM T23 laptop from Win2k to WINXP Pro.
It's a great little laptop, though technology long passed it by, and at
the moment it only has 384KB of memory. If the update "takes," I'll update
the RAM to 512KB.

This is the machine I let household guests use.

Gosh, if it works out, I'll be as up to date OS-wise as the great computer
gurus here.


Before you run Windows Update, you may want to read this slowly, three
times:

http://windowssecrets.com/comp/071129/#story1

And don't give me any crap about how your situation is an exception to what
the writer is talking about, or how your copy of XP is legit so none of this
matters.




Since my copy of XP Pro was sent to me as a gift from MS, I am not
concerned about its legitimacy.

The Great OS Upodate
 

"HK" wrote in message
...
JoeSpareBedroom wrote:
"HK" wrote in message
. ..
Well, I am taking the plunge.
I am updating my old IBM T23 laptop from Win2k to WINXP Pro.
It's a great little laptop, though technology long passed it by, and at
the moment it only has 384KB of memory. If the update "takes," I'll
update the RAM to 512KB.

This is the machine I let household guests use.

Gosh, if it works out, I'll be as up to date OS-wise as the great
computer gurus here.


Before you run Windows Update, you may want to read this slowly, three
times:

http://windowssecrets.com/comp/071129/#story1

And don't give me any crap about how your situation is an exception to
what the writer is talking about, or how your copy of XP is legit so none
of this matters.


Since my copy of XP Pro was sent to me as a gift from MS, I am not
concerned about its legitimacy.


Wrong. That's like saying warrantless surveillance is cool because you
haven't broken the law.

Read the article. WGA can still cause nightmares, and there's nothing you
can to once it begins. You'll wish you'd paid attention.

The Great OS Upodate
 

JoeSpareBedroom wrote:
"HK" wrote in message
...
JoeSpareBedroom wrote:
"HK" wrote in message
. ..
Well, I am taking the plunge.
I am updating my old IBM T23 laptop from Win2k to WINXP Pro.
It's a great little laptop, though technology long passed it by, and at
the moment it only has 384KB of memory. If the update "takes," I'll
update the RAM to 512KB.

This is the machine I let household guests use.

Gosh, if it works out, I'll be as up to date OS-wise as the great
computer gurus here.

Before you run Windows Update, you may want to read this slowly, three
times:

http://windowssecrets.com/comp/071129/#story1

And don't give me any crap about how your situation is an exception to
what the writer is talking about, or how your copy of XP is legit so none
of this matters.

Since my copy of XP Pro was sent to me as a gift from MS, I am not
concerned about its legitimacy.


Wrong. That's like saying warrantless surveillance is cool because you
haven't broken the law.

Read the article. WGA can still cause nightmares, and there's nothing you
can to once it begins. You'll wish you'd paid attention.



I'll call MS if I have those sorts of problems.

The Great OS Upodate
 

"HK" wrote in message
. ..
JoeSpareBedroom wrote:
"HK" wrote in message
...
JoeSpareBedroom wrote:
"HK" wrote in message
. ..
Well, I am taking the plunge.
I am updating my old IBM T23 laptop from Win2k to WINXP Pro.
It's a great little laptop, though technology long passed it by, and
at the moment it only has 384KB of memory. If the update "takes," I'll
update the RAM to 512KB.

This is the machine I let household guests use.

Gosh, if it works out, I'll be as up to date OS-wise as the great
computer gurus here.

Before you run Windows Update, you may want to read this slowly, three
times:

http://windowssecrets.com/comp/071129/#story1

And don't give me any crap about how your situation is an exception to
what the writer is talking about, or how your copy of XP is legit so
none of this matters.

Since my copy of XP Pro was sent to me as a gift from MS, I am not
concerned about its legitimacy.


Wrong. That's like saying warrantless surveillance is cool because you
haven't broken the law.

Read the article. WGA can still cause nightmares, and there's nothing you
can to once it begins. You'll wish you'd paid attention.

I'll call MS if I have those sorts of problems.


Harry, I expected this. It's pathetic, really. The article is about a piece
of the windows update software which is essentially spyware. Microsoft
**WANTS** you to have it, and if you call them, they will run you around in
circles trying to get you to keep it on your system.

Stop pretending to know more than non-MS experts, and read the article.

The Great OS Upodate
 

JoeSpareBedroom wrote:
"HK" wrote in message
. ..
JoeSpareBedroom wrote:
"HK" wrote in message
...
JoeSpareBedroom wrote:
"HK" wrote in message
. ..
Well, I am taking the plunge.
I am updating my old IBM T23 laptop from Win2k to WINXP Pro.
It's a great little laptop, though technology long passed it by, and
at the moment it only has 384KB of memory. If the update "takes," I'll
update the RAM to 512KB.

This is the machine I let household guests use.

Gosh, if it works out, I'll be as up to date OS-wise as the great
computer gurus here.
Before you run Windows Update, you may want to read this slowly, three
times:

http://windowssecrets.com/comp/071129/#story1

And don't give me any crap about how your situation is an exception to
what the writer is talking about, or how your copy of XP is legit so
none of this matters.
Since my copy of XP Pro was sent to me as a gift from MS, I am not
concerned about its legitimacy.

Wrong. That's like saying warrantless surveillance is cool because you
haven't broken the law.

Read the article. WGA can still cause nightmares, and there's nothing you
can to once it begins. You'll wish you'd paid attention.
I'll call MS if I have those sorts of problems.


Harry, I expected this. It's pathetic, really. The article is about a piece
of the windows update software which is essentially spyware. Microsoft
**WANTS** you to have it, and if you call them, they will run you around in
circles trying to get you to keep it on your system.

Stop pretending to know more than non-MS experts, and read the article.




I read the article. I'm aware of these issues. I'm not having any. I
haven't had any. If I do, I know who at MS to call.

The Great OS Upodate
 

"HK" wrote in message
. ..
JoeSpareBedroom wrote:
"HK" wrote in message
. ..
JoeSpareBedroom wrote:
"HK" wrote in message
...
JoeSpareBedroom wrote:
"HK" wrote in message
. ..
Well, I am taking the plunge.
I am updating my old IBM T23 laptop from Win2k to WINXP Pro.
It's a great little laptop, though technology long passed it by, and
at the moment it only has 384KB of memory. If the update "takes,"
I'll update the RAM to 512KB.

This is the machine I let household guests use.

Gosh, if it works out, I'll be as up to date OS-wise as the great
computer gurus here.
Before you run Windows Update, you may want to read this slowly,
three times:

http://windowssecrets.com/comp/071129/#story1

And don't give me any crap about how your situation is an exception
to what the writer is talking about, or how your copy of XP is legit
so none of this matters.
Since my copy of XP Pro was sent to me as a gift from MS, I am not
concerned about its legitimacy.

Wrong. That's like saying warrantless surveillance is cool because you
haven't broken the law.

Read the article. WGA can still cause nightmares, and there's nothing
you can to once it begins. You'll wish you'd paid attention.
I'll call MS if I have those sorts of problems.


Harry, I expected this. It's pathetic, really. The article is about a
piece of the windows update software which is essentially spyware.
Microsoft **WANTS** you to have it, and if you call them, they will run
you around in circles trying to get you to keep it on your system.

Stop pretending to know more than non-MS experts, and read the article.


I read the article. I'm aware of these issues. I'm not having any. I
haven't had any. If I do, I know who at MS to call.


If you allow windows update to freely do its thing, you WILL have issues
eventually. It's not a matter of "if". It's "when".

The Great OS Upodate
 

JoeSpareBedroom wrote:
"HK" wrote in message
. ..
JoeSpareBedroom wrote:
"HK" wrote in message
. ..
JoeSpareBedroom wrote:
"HK" wrote in message
...
JoeSpareBedroom wrote:
"HK" wrote in message
. ..
Well, I am taking the plunge.
I am updating my old IBM T23 laptop from Win2k to WINXP Pro.
It's a great little laptop, though technology long passed it by, and
at the moment it only has 384KB of memory. If the update "takes,"
I'll update the RAM to 512KB.

This is the machine I let household guests use.

Gosh, if it works out, I'll be as up to date OS-wise as the great
computer gurus here.
Before you run Windows Update, you may want to read this slowly,
three times:

http://windowssecrets.com/comp/071129/#story1

And don't give me any crap about how your situation is an exception
to what the writer is talking about, or how your copy of XP is legit
so none of this matters.
Since my copy of XP Pro was sent to me as a gift from MS, I am not
concerned about its legitimacy.
Wrong. That's like saying warrantless surveillance is cool because you
haven't broken the law.

Read the article. WGA can still cause nightmares, and there's nothing
you can to once it begins. You'll wish you'd paid attention.
I'll call MS if I have those sorts of problems.

Harry, I expected this. It's pathetic, really. The article is about a
piece of the windows update software which is essentially spyware.
Microsoft **WANTS** you to have it, and if you call them, they will run
you around in circles trying to get you to keep it on your system.

Stop pretending to know more than non-MS experts, and read the article.

I read the article. I'm aware of these issues. I'm not having any. I
haven't had any. If I do, I know who at MS to call.


If you allow windows update to freely do its thing, you WILL have issues
eventually. It's not a matter of "if". It's "when".



Life is full of issues. The few I have had from MS have been solvable.
As I stated, if I run into a serious problem, I know who to call. Thanks
for your concern.

The Great OS Upodate
 

"HK" wrote in message
. ..
JoeSpareBedroom wrote:
"HK" wrote in message
. ..
JoeSpareBedroom wrote:
"HK" wrote in message
. ..
JoeSpareBedroom wrote:
"HK" wrote in message
...
JoeSpareBedroom wrote:
"HK" wrote in message
. ..
Well, I am taking the plunge.
I am updating my old IBM T23 laptop from Win2k to WINXP Pro.
It's a great little laptop, though technology long passed it by,
and at the moment it only has 384KB of memory. If the update
"takes," I'll update the RAM to 512KB.

This is the machine I let household guests use.

Gosh, if it works out, I'll be as up to date OS-wise as the great
computer gurus here.
Before you run Windows Update, you may want to read this slowly,
three times:

http://windowssecrets.com/comp/071129/#story1

And don't give me any crap about how your situation is an exception
to what the writer is talking about, or how your copy of XP is
legit so none of this matters.
Since my copy of XP Pro was sent to me as a gift from MS, I am not
concerned about its legitimacy.
Wrong. That's like saying warrantless surveillance is cool because
you haven't broken the law.

Read the article. WGA can still cause nightmares, and there's nothing
you can to once it begins. You'll wish you'd paid attention.
I'll call MS if I have those sorts of problems.

Harry, I expected this. It's pathetic, really. The article is about a
piece of the windows update software which is essentially spyware.
Microsoft **WANTS** you to have it, and if you call them, they will run
you around in circles trying to get you to keep it on your system.

Stop pretending to know more than non-MS experts, and read the article.

I read the article. I'm aware of these issues. I'm not having any. I
haven't had any. If I do, I know who at MS to call.


If you allow windows update to freely do its thing, you WILL have issues
eventually. It's not a matter of "if". It's "when".

Life is full of issues. The few I have had from MS have been solvable. As
I stated, if I run into a serious problem, I know who to call. Thanks for
your concern.


OK. You're the expert.

The Great OS Upodate
 

The Great OS Upodate
 

On Thu, 29 Nov 2007 15:48:49 GMT, "JoeSpareBedroom"
wrote:

"HK" wrote in message


If you allow windows update to freely do its thing, you WILL have issues
eventually. It's not a matter of "if". It's "when".

Life is full of issues. The few I have had from MS have been solvable. As
I stated, if I run into a serious problem, I know who to call. Thanks for
your concern.


OK. You're the expert.

Joe, there are millions of people using XP and Vista with WGA.
Very few are experts.
They are somehow getting by.
Do you think MS is spying on people?
AFAICT the main reason to avoid WGA is that the OS is pirated.
I have heard that VISTA is already hacked, and can get MS updates.
Some might argue that beyond service packs, the updates are
unnecessary.
What's your point?

--Vic

The Great OS Upodate
 

"Vic Smith" wrote in message
...
On Thu, 29 Nov 2007 15:48:49 GMT, "JoeSpareBedroom"
wrote:

"HK" wrote in message


If you allow windows update to freely do its thing, you WILL have
issues
eventually. It's not a matter of "if". It's "when".

Life is full of issues. The few I have had from MS have been solvable.
As
I stated, if I run into a serious problem, I know who to call. Thanks
for
your concern.


OK. You're the expert.

Joe, there are millions of people using XP and Vista with WGA.
Very few are experts.
They are somehow getting by.
Do you think MS is spying on people?
AFAICT the main reason to avoid WGA is that the OS is pirated.
I have heard that VISTA is already hacked, and can get MS updates.
Some might argue that beyond service packs, the updates are
unnecessary.
What's your point?

--Vic


Vic, I would be happy to discuss this further with you. First, read the
article and tell me what you think about it. We really can't proceed until
you do that.

And by the way, I'm no expert either.

The Great OS Upodate
 

JoeSpareBedroom wrote:
"HK" wrote in message
. ..
JoeSpareBedroom wrote:
"HK" wrote in message
...
JoeSpareBedroom wrote:
"HK" wrote in message
. ..
Well, I am taking the plunge.
I am updating my old IBM T23 laptop from Win2k to WINXP Pro.
It's a great little laptop, though technology long passed it by, and
at the moment it only has 384KB of memory. If the update "takes," I'll
update the RAM to 512KB.

This is the machine I let household guests use.

Gosh, if it works out, I'll be as up to date OS-wise as the great
computer gurus here.
Before you run Windows Update, you may want to read this slowly, three
times:

http://windowssecrets.com/comp/071129/#story1

And don't give me any crap about how your situation is an exception to
what the writer is talking about, or how your copy of XP is legit so
none of this matters.
Since my copy of XP Pro was sent to me as a gift from MS, I am not
concerned about its legitimacy.

Wrong. That's like saying warrantless surveillance is cool because you
haven't broken the law.

Read the article. WGA can still cause nightmares, and there's nothing you
can to once it begins. You'll wish you'd paid attention.
I'll call MS if I have those sorts of problems.


Harry, I expected this. It's pathetic, really. The article is about a piece
of the windows update software which is essentially spyware. Microsoft
**WANTS** you to have it, and if you call them, they will run you around in
circles trying to get you to keep it on your system.

Stop pretending to know more than non-MS experts, and read the article.

Did you accept the license agreement?

The Great OS Upodate
 

On Thu, 29 Nov 2007 16:07:20 GMT, "JoeSpareBedroom"
wrote:

"Vic Smith" wrote in message

Joe, there are millions of people using XP and Vista with WGA.
Very few are experts.
They are somehow getting by.
Do you think MS is spying on people?
AFAICT the main reason to avoid WGA is that the OS is pirated.
I have heard that VISTA is already hacked, and can get MS updates.
Some might argue that beyond service packs, the updates are
unnecessary.
What's your point?

--Vic


Vic, I would be happy to discuss this further with you. First, read the
article and tell me what you think about it. We really can't proceed until
you do that.

And by the way, I'm no expert either.

I did read it, and these same scattered validation issues were there
years ago, when MS started installing WGA. But it remains that the
vast majority of users have no problems with it.
If you are concerned about WGA, there are hacks to get around it.
These are illegal, as is spitting on the sidewalk.
Otherwise there is Linux, MacOS, etc.
But I want to hear your views on this.
BTW, I don't like my computer communicating with Redmond either,
but some thing must be put in personal perspective, and some people
have no problem with it.

--Vic

--Vic

--Vic

The Great OS Upodate
 

"Vic Smith" wrote in message
...

On Thu, 29 Nov 2007 16:07:20 GMT, "JoeSpareBedroom"
wrote:

"Vic Smith" wrote in message

Joe, there are millions of people using XP and Vista with WGA.
Very few are experts.
They are somehow getting by.
Do you think MS is spying on people?
AFAICT the main reason to avoid WGA is that the OS is pirated.
I have heard that VISTA is already hacked, and can get MS updates.
Some might argue that beyond service packs, the updates are
unnecessary.
What's your point?

--Vic


Vic, I would be happy to discuss this further with you. First, read the
article and tell me what you think about it. We really can't proceed until
you do that.

And by the way, I'm no expert either.

I did read it, and these same scattered validation issues were there
years ago, when MS started installing WGA. But it remains that the
vast majority of users have no problems with it.
If you are concerned about WGA, there are hacks to get around it.
These are illegal, as is spitting on the sidewalk.
Otherwise there is Linux, MacOS, etc.
But I want to hear your views on this.
BTW, I don't like my computer communicating with Redmond either,
but some thing must be put in personal perspective, and some people
have no problem with it.


Beginning with "I did read it", you mentioned several issues (plural), and
then asked for "views on this" (singular). Pick one issue to start with.
It's busy here.

The Great OS Upodate
 

"BAR" wrote in message
. ..
JoeSpareBedroom wrote:
"HK" wrote in message
. ..
JoeSpareBedroom wrote:
"HK" wrote in message
...
JoeSpareBedroom wrote:
"HK" wrote in message
. ..
Well, I am taking the plunge.
I am updating my old IBM T23 laptop from Win2k to WINXP Pro.
It's a great little laptop, though technology long passed it by, and
at the moment it only has 384KB of memory. If the update "takes,"
I'll update the RAM to 512KB.

This is the machine I let household guests use.

Gosh, if it works out, I'll be as up to date OS-wise as the great
computer gurus here.
Before you run Windows Update, you may want to read this slowly,
three times:

http://windowssecrets.com/comp/071129/#story1

And don't give me any crap about how your situation is an exception
to what the writer is talking about, or how your copy of XP is legit
so none of this matters.
Since my copy of XP Pro was sent to me as a gift from MS, I am not
concerned about its legitimacy.

Wrong. That's like saying warrantless surveillance is cool because you
haven't broken the law.

Read the article. WGA can still cause nightmares, and there's nothing
you can to once it begins. You'll wish you'd paid attention.
I'll call MS if I have those sorts of problems.


Harry, I expected this. It's pathetic, really. The article is about a
piece of the windows update software which is essentially spyware.
Microsoft **WANTS** you to have it, and if you call them, they will run
you around in circles trying to get you to keep it on your system.

Stop pretending to know more than non-MS experts, and read the article.

Did you accept the license agreement?



Yes. The original license agreement for Windows XP Pro never mentioned
something that would come along later: "Windows Genuine Advantage".

The Great OS Upodate
 

JoeSpareBedroom wrote:
"BAR" wrote in message
. ..
JoeSpareBedroom wrote:
"HK" wrote in message
. ..
JoeSpareBedroom wrote:
"HK" wrote in message
...
JoeSpareBedroom wrote:
"HK" wrote in message
. ..
Well, I am taking the plunge.
I am updating my old IBM T23 laptop from Win2k to WINXP Pro.
It's a great little laptop, though technology long passed it by, and
at the moment it only has 384KB of memory. If the update "takes,"
I'll update the RAM to 512KB.

This is the machine I let household guests use.

Gosh, if it works out, I'll be as up to date OS-wise as the great
computer gurus here.
Before you run Windows Update, you may want to read this slowly,
three times:

http://windowssecrets.com/comp/071129/#story1

And don't give me any crap about how your situation is an exception
to what the writer is talking about, or how your copy of XP is legit
so none of this matters.
Since my copy of XP Pro was sent to me as a gift from MS, I am not
concerned about its legitimacy.
Wrong. That's like saying warrantless surveillance is cool because you
haven't broken the law.

Read the article. WGA can still cause nightmares, and there's nothing
you can to once it begins. You'll wish you'd paid attention.
I'll call MS if I have those sorts of problems.

Harry, I expected this. It's pathetic, really. The article is about a
piece of the windows update software which is essentially spyware.
Microsoft **WANTS** you to have it, and if you call them, they will run
you around in circles trying to get you to keep it on your system.

Stop pretending to know more than non-MS experts, and read the article.
Did you accept the license agreement?



Yes. The original license agreement for Windows XP Pro never mentioned
something that would come along later: "Windows Genuine Advantage".




Well, the Thinkpad upgrade to XP Pro seems to be going well. We're up
and running, and we just automatically downloaded and installed 103
"upgrades" from Microsoft. Now we'll go over to the Lenovo site and see
what else we need.

The Great OS Upodate
 

On Thu, 29 Nov 2007 16:23:52 GMT, "JoeSpareBedroom"
wrote:



Beginning with "I did read it", you mentioned several issues (plural), and
then asked for "views on this" (singular). Pick one issue to start with.
It's busy here.


Do you feel that WGA will report a "false positive" when attempting to
validate your OS, deactivate or cripple you OS, thus requiring you to
call MS to resolve it?

--Vic

The Great OS Upodate
 

"Vic Smith" wrote in message
...
On Thu, 29 Nov 2007 16:23:52 GMT, "JoeSpareBedroom"
wrote:



Beginning with "I did read it", you mentioned several issues (plural), and
then asked for "views on this" (singular). Pick one issue to start with.
It's busy here.


Do you feel that WGA will report a "false positive" when attempting to
validate your OS, deactivate or cripple you OS, thus requiring you to
call MS to resolve it?

--Vic


Since there are reports of this, then it is possible, and not always for
reasons that are any of MS' business. Hardware changes, for instance.
Therefore, WGA is broken.

The Great OS Upodate
 

"HK" wrote in message
. ..
JoeSpareBedroom wrote:
"BAR" wrote in message
. ..
JoeSpareBedroom wrote:
"HK" wrote in message
. ..
JoeSpareBedroom wrote:
"HK" wrote in message
...
JoeSpareBedroom wrote:
"HK" wrote in message
. ..
Well, I am taking the plunge.
I am updating my old IBM T23 laptop from Win2k to WINXP Pro.
It's a great little laptop, though technology long passed it by,
and at the moment it only has 384KB of memory. If the update
"takes," I'll update the RAM to 512KB.

This is the machine I let household guests use.

Gosh, if it works out, I'll be as up to date OS-wise as the great
computer gurus here.
Before you run Windows Update, you may want to read this slowly,
three times:

http://windowssecrets.com/comp/071129/#story1

And don't give me any crap about how your situation is an exception
to what the writer is talking about, or how your copy of XP is
legit so none of this matters.
Since my copy of XP Pro was sent to me as a gift from MS, I am not
concerned about its legitimacy.
Wrong. That's like saying warrantless surveillance is cool because
you haven't broken the law.

Read the article. WGA can still cause nightmares, and there's nothing
you can to once it begins. You'll wish you'd paid attention.
I'll call MS if I have those sorts of problems.

Harry, I expected this. It's pathetic, really. The article is about a
piece of the windows update software which is essentially spyware.
Microsoft **WANTS** you to have it, and if you call them, they will run
you around in circles trying to get you to keep it on your system.

Stop pretending to know more than non-MS experts, and read the article.
Did you accept the license agreement?



Yes. The original license agreement for Windows XP Pro never mentioned
something that would come along later: "Windows Genuine Advantage".


Well, the Thinkpad upgrade to XP Pro seems to be going well. We're up and
running, and we just automatically downloaded and installed 103 "upgrades"
from Microsoft. Now we'll go over to the Lenovo site and see what else we
need.



Nobody ever claimed you WOULD have problems. Rather, various sources point
out that WGA is neither necessary nor useful (to you), and that there are
other ways to obtain the updates you DO want.

The Great OS Upodate
 

On Thu, 29 Nov 2007 16:29:59 GMT, "JoeSpareBedroom"
wrote:

"Vic Smith" wrote in message

Do you feel that WGA will report a "false positive" when attempting to
validate your OS, deactivate or cripple you OS, thus requiring you to
call MS to resolve it?

Since there are reports of this, then it is possible, and not always for
reasons that are any of MS' business. Hardware changes, for instance.
Therefore, WGA is broken.

Yes, I've heard of that. Not sure this is isolated to MB/CPU changes,
but it has raised complaints from some.

Can you address this bit you wrote?

If you allow windows update to freely do its thing, you WILL have issues
eventually. It's not a matter of "if". It's "when".

Do you really believe this, or was it hyperbole?

--Vic

The Great OS Upodate
 

"Vic Smith" wrote in message
...
On Thu, 29 Nov 2007 16:29:59 GMT, "JoeSpareBedroom"
wrote:

"Vic Smith" wrote in message

Do you feel that WGA will report a "false positive" when attempting to
validate your OS, deactivate or cripple you OS, thus requiring you to
call MS to resolve it?

Since there are reports of this, then it is possible, and not always for
reasons that are any of MS' business. Hardware changes, for instance.
Therefore, WGA is broken.

Yes, I've heard of that. Not sure this is isolated to MB/CPU changes,
but it has raised complaints from some.

Can you address this bit you wrote?

If you allow windows update to freely do its thing, you WILL have issues
eventually. It's not a matter of "if". It's "when".

Do you really believe this, or was it hyperbole?

--Vic


I've seen it. Not on all computers, but on some. How about you?

Even before WGA, the auto update process was seriously flawed. Do you
remember the update that completely changed the way OE allowed access to
attachments. Of course, this was not made clear to users until they hit a
brick wall when trying to access attachments. When this happened at my home
office, I was enjoying myself in Puerto Rico, out of cell phone range. Our
local computer consultant was home sick with the flu. Our "rainmaker", a guy
whose enormous sales depend on attachments, was dead in the water for a day.

The MS newsgroups are periodically loaded with identical questions from
users whose machines have been somehow sabotaged by a "helpful" update. Even
the MS MVPs who answer users' question often recommend turning off auto
updates, opting instead for users to just be notified of an available
update, and waiting to see the effects they have on hapless people who
didn't follow their advice.

The Great OS Upodate
 

On Thu, 29 Nov 07, HK wrote:
If the update "takes," I'll update the RAM to 512KB.

Let us know how you come out.
I have a desktop with twice that much RAM but somehow I thought XP
required more. If yours works, I might give XP Home a shot on my spare
desktop.
Can anybody suggest a reliable online source that supplies legitimate
XP Home OS at a reasonable price?

Rick

The Great OS Upodate