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On Thu, 29 Nov 2007 16:51:08 GMT, "JoeSpareBedroom"
wrote: Can you address this bit you wrote? If you allow windows update to freely do its thing, you WILL have issues eventually. It's not a matter of "if". It's "when". Do you really believe this, or was it hyperbole? --Vic I've seen it. Not on all computers, but on some. How about you? No, but my experience is limited to corporate PC's, and home PC's not used for business. Even before WGA, the auto update process was seriously flawed. Do you remember the update that completely changed the way OE allowed access to attachments. Of course, this was not made clear to users until they hit a brick wall when trying to access attachments. When this happened at my home office, I was enjoying myself in Puerto Rico, out of cell phone range. Our local computer consultant was home sick with the flu. Our "rainmaker", a guy whose enormous sales depend on attachments, was dead in the water for a day. I can now see your concern, and it's a valid one. I don't use OE at home, preferring Agent, and at work the "image" team always kept OE either flawless, or quickly fixed. A small business using MS doesn't have that infrastructure. Shame on MS. The MS newsgroups are periodically loaded with identical questions from users whose machines have been somehow sabotaged by a "helpful" update. Even the MS MVPs who answer users' question often recommend turning off auto updates, opting instead for users to just be notified of an available update, and waiting to see the effects they have on hapless people who didn't follow their advice. An individual user would be well advised to get updates manually, and ghost an image beforehand, so he could restore if the update caused issues. Personally, after the major security updates with XP, I never went back, since the updates have no relevance for me on a single workstation, and only further bloat the OS. "If it ain't broke don't fix it." You also said this: Harry, I expected this. It's pathetic, really. The article is about a piece of the windows update software which is essentially spyware. Beyond looking at hardware configs for validation purposes - which IMO is questionable for various reasons unrelated to spying - do you think MS is really "spying" in the sense of gathering information about you that they aren't entitled to? --Vic |
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... On Thu, 29 Nov 2007 10:28:28 -0600, Vic Smith wrote: Do you feel that WGA will report a "false positive" when attempting to validate your OS, deactivate or cripple you OS, thus requiring you to call MS to resolve it? I had that problem with my father in law's PC running XP pro. It turned his machine into a doorstop. We called Microshaft and Bob from Bombay was ready to tell us how to fix it when he figured out this was a Dell. Then suddenly it was $70 for the answer or call Dell. Dell's tech support Biff from Bombay didn't know that trick so his fix was to reload the system from scratch. XP's charming habit of putting "documents" in the windoze directory means they are gone too. Fortunately I moved a lot of these targets to the D drive for him. I've done almost 30 XP and Office installations, and I have never seen docs placed in the c:\windows directory. Which software placed its documents there on the machine you're talking(s) about? |
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If yours works, I might give XP Home a shot on my spare desktop. On Thu, 29 Nov 07, HK wrote: XP Pro runs on 384KB. I haven't installed any software yet, but the OS certainly runs properly. Music to my ears. I'm now on the hunt for some cheap XP. Rick |
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On Thu, 29 Nov 2007 17:18:46 GMT, "JoeSpareBedroom"
wrote: wrote in message .. . On Thu, 29 Nov 2007 10:28:28 -0600, Vic Smith wrote: Do you feel that WGA will report a "false positive" when attempting to validate your OS, deactivate or cripple you OS, thus requiring you to call MS to resolve it? I had that problem with my father in law's PC running XP pro. It turned his machine into a doorstop. We called Microshaft and Bob from Bombay was ready to tell us how to fix it when he figured out this was a Dell. Then suddenly it was $70 for the answer or call Dell. Dell's tech support Biff from Bombay didn't know that trick so his fix was to reload the system from scratch. XP's charming habit of putting "documents" in the windoze directory means they are gone too. Fortunately I moved a lot of these targets to the D drive for him. I've done almost 30 XP and Office installations, and I have never seen docs placed in the c:\windows directory. Which software placed its documents there on the machine you're talking(s) about? It's the docs and setting dir. I recall trying to change it as default, but it can't be done. Don't know if it gets overlaid on a reinstall. I don't do reinstalls (-: But the location of docs is a consideration when devising a backup scheme which considers a crash of the C: drive. --Vic |
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On Thu, 29 Nov 2007 12:15:45 -0500, wrote: On Thu, 29 Nov 2007 10:28:28 -0600, Vic Smith wrote: Do you feel that WGA will report a "false positive" when attempting to validate your OS, deactivate or cripple you OS, thus requiring you to call MS to resolve it? I had that problem with my father in law's PC running XP pro. It turned his machine into a doorstop. We called Microshaft and Bob from Bombay was ready to tell us how to fix it when he figured out this was a Dell. Then suddenly it was $70 for the answer or call Dell. Dell's tech support Biff from Bombay didn't know that trick so his fix was to reload the system from scratch. XP's charming habit of putting "documents" in the windoze directory means they are gone too. Fortunately I moved a lot of these targets to the D drive for him. My sister went through hell with Dell India. Her telling me a bit about it started giving me a headache, so I just told her to shut up. The settings/documents scheme is another reason to follow well thought backup procedures, but I can understand why most people don't do that. Since it was my business, I don't feel like a victim if I lose data, just a jerk. So it doesn't happen --Vic Dell has had some serious quality and service problems in the last few years. |
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"Vic Smith" wrote in message
... On Thu, 29 Nov 2007 16:51:08 GMT, "JoeSpareBedroom" wrote: Can you address this bit you wrote? If you allow windows update to freely do its thing, you WILL have issues eventually. It's not a matter of "if". It's "when". Do you really believe this, or was it hyperbole? --Vic I've seen it. Not on all computers, but on some. How about you? No, but my experience is limited to corporate PC's, and home PC's not used for business. Well, in corporations where the IT people are a step ahead of MS, these things may not be as much of a problem. Even before WGA, the auto update process was seriously flawed. Do you remember the update that completely changed the way OE allowed access to attachments. Of course, this was not made clear to users until they hit a brick wall when trying to access attachments. When this happened at my home office, I was enjoying myself in Puerto Rico, out of cell phone range. Our local computer consultant was home sick with the flu. Our "rainmaker", a guy whose enormous sales depend on attachments, was dead in the water for a day. I can now see your concern, and it's a valid one. I don't use OE at home, preferring Agent, and at work the "image" team always kept OE either flawless, or quickly fixed. A small business using MS doesn't have that infrastructure. Shame on MS. The MS newsgroups are periodically loaded with identical questions from users whose machines have been somehow sabotaged by a "helpful" update. Even the MS MVPs who answer users' question often recommend turning off auto updates, opting instead for users to just be notified of an available update, and waiting to see the effects they have on hapless people who didn't follow their advice. An individual user would be well advised to get updates manually, and ghost an image beforehand, so he could restore if the update caused issues. Personally, after the major security updates with XP, I never went back, since the updates have no relevance for me on a single workstation, and only further bloat the OS. "If it ain't broke don't fix it." I'm just guessing, but I think that for every 1000 users, you might find 50 who know what ghosting in image means, and maybe 2 who'll actually do it. You also said this: Harry, I expected this. It's pathetic, really. The article is about a piece of the windows update software which is essentially spyware. Beyond looking at hardware configs for validation purposes - which IMO is questionable for various reasons unrelated to spying - do you think MS is really "spying" in the sense of gathering information about you that they aren't entitled to? --Vic Not information about me, and I have no problem with software which needs to know things about my computer in order to provide the correct patches. However, I *do* have issues when one day the software doesn't do this, and the next day it does, even when it's been explicitly told not to. Fortunately, ZoneAlarm alerts me to any unauthorized outbound conversations, but this isn't the case for many users, especially if they are using XP's firewall, which does not monitor outbound nonsense. |
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... On Thu, 29 Nov 2007 17:18:46 GMT, "JoeSpareBedroom" wrote: wrote in message . .. On Thu, 29 Nov 2007 10:28:28 -0600, Vic Smith wrote: Do you feel that WGA will report a "false positive" when attempting to validate your OS, deactivate or cripple you OS, thus requiring you to call MS to resolve it? I had that problem with my father in law's PC running XP pro. It turned his machine into a doorstop. We called Microshaft and Bob from Bombay was ready to tell us how to fix it when he figured out this was a Dell. Then suddenly it was $70 for the answer or call Dell. Dell's tech support Biff from Bombay didn't know that trick so his fix was to reload the system from scratch. XP's charming habit of putting "documents" in the windoze directory means they are gone too. Fortunately I moved a lot of these targets to the D drive for him. I've done almost 30 XP and Office installations, and I have never seen docs placed in the c:\windows directory. Which software placed its documents there on the machine you're talking(s) about? It's the docs and setting dir. I recall trying to change it as default, but it can't be done. Don't know if it gets overlaid on a reinstall. I don't do reinstalls (-: But the location of docs is a consideration when devising a backup scheme which considers a crash of the C: drive. --Vic Without exception on the machines I've been involved with, the default document dir is always My Documents, which is not a subdir of c:\windows. This can be changed, but it's not something most users stumble across. Matter of fact, I thought it required the optional Powertoys utilities in order to do this. I'm not sure what he's talking about. Let's wait and see. |
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"HK" wrote in message ... dennis meissner wrote: "HK" wrote in message . .. wrote: On Nov 29, 8:44 am, HK wrote: Well, I am taking the plunge. I am updating my old IBM T23 laptop from Win2k to WINXP Pro. It's a great little laptop, though technology long passed it by, and at the moment it only has 384KB of memory. If the update "takes," I'll update the RAM to 512KB. This is the machine I let household guests use. Gosh, if it works out, I'll be as up to date OS-wise as the great computer gurus here. Yeah, that's a problem. Someone changes a harddrive, or installs windows and they think they are a CNE.. We go in and clean up their messes, all the time;) Hopefully, it won't be a problem. I repartioned the single hard drive and am reformatting it to get rid of all traces of the old OS. There's an active mailing list for the IBM (now Lenovo) portables, and the gurus there said I should be able to do the OS upgrade with minimal hassle. The only worry I have is being able to find all the device drivers, but I was assured that won't be a serious issue. We shall see. I also have a master driver CD around somewhere... Though I like the IBM portables, this is my last, since the new owner of "Thinkpads" is now a mainland Chinese company. ibm has an extensive list of all their models and drivers on their website. They also have an autosizing utility that will run on your laptop and automagically download and install. At work we've used thousands of T23's (w xp pro)... found them to be rock solid enjoy. Dennis Is that the old IBM thinkpad website, or the lenovo website? ibm website |
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On Thu, 29 Nov 2007 12:34:13 -0500, HK wrote:
wrote: On Thu, 29 Nov 2007 12:06:10 -0500, HK wrote: lid wrote: On Thu, 29 Nov 07, HK wrote: If the update "takes," I'll update the RAM to 512KB. Let us know how you come out. I have a desktop with twice that much RAM but somehow I thought XP required more. If yours works, I might give XP Home a shot on my spare desktop. Can anybody suggest a reliable online source that supplies legitimate XP Home OS at a reasonable price? Rick XP Pro runs on 384KB. I haven't installed any software yet, but the OS certainly runs properly. Maybe on 384MB, but no way will it run on 384kb Oooops. I'm multitasking. Just finished with the lenovo update site. All is well. A Lenovo? Harry - you dog you. |
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Just finished the install of XP Pro on my aging laptop, which had been
running Win2k. Everything seems nominal. Between the MS and IBM-Lenovo update sites, all the hardware was recognized and XP is running properly. Installed OFfice 2003 and it also is running properly. Just for grins, I hooked the laptop up to my network via wireless and just transferred a large file from the desktop hard drive to the laptop hard drive. |
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On Thu, 29 Nov 2007 12:34:13 -0500, HK wrote: wrote: On Thu, 29 Nov 2007 12:06:10 -0500, HK wrote: lid wrote: On Thu, 29 Nov 07, HK wrote: If the update "takes," I'll update the RAM to 512KB. Let us know how you come out. I have a desktop with twice that much RAM but somehow I thought XP required more. If yours works, I might give XP Home a shot on my spare desktop. Can anybody suggest a reliable online source that supplies legitimate XP Home OS at a reasonable price? Rick XP Pro runs on 384KB. I haven't installed any software yet, but the OS certainly runs properly. Maybe on 384MB, but no way will it run on 384kb Oooops. I'm multitasking. Just finished with the lenovo update site. All is well. A Lenovo? Harry - you dog you. Ahh, but there's an explanation. I have a Thinkpad that predates IBM's sale of the asset to the Chinese. Lenovo took over the Thinkpad updates along with the name and other assets. If I want updates, Lenovo is the place to go. Although the LEnovo Thinkpads are quality merchandise, I wouldn't buy a new one because of the Chinese connection. |
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On Nov 29, 12:37 pm, Vic Smith
wrote: On Thu, 29 Nov 2007 12:28:03 -0500, wrote: On Thu, 29 Nov 2007 12:06:10 -0500, HK wrote: wrote: On Thu, 29 Nov 07, HK wrote: If the update "takes," I'll update the RAM to 512KB. Let us know how you come out. I have a desktop with twice that much RAM but somehow I thought XP required more. If yours works, I might give XP Home a shot on my spare desktop. Can anybody suggest a reliable online source that supplies legitimate XP Home OS at a reasonable price? Rick XP Pro runs on 384KB. I haven't installed any software yet, but the OS certainly runs properly. Maybe on 384MB, but no way will it run on 384kb I recall running XP Pro on 256k. Maybe my memory is wrong, but I don't think so. --Vic- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - 64 Megs minimum: http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/p...g/sysreqs.mspx |
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On Nov 29, 12:06 pm, HK wrote:
wrote: On Thu, 29 Nov 07, HK wrote: If the update "takes," I'll update the RAM to 512KB. Let us know how you come out. I have a desktop with twice that much RAM but somehow I thought XP required more. If yours works, I might give XP Home a shot on my spare desktop. Can anybody suggest a reliable online source that supplies legitimate XP Home OS at a reasonable price? Rick XP Pro runs on 384KB. I haven't installed any software yet, but the OS certainly runs properly. Microsoft says 64 MB minimum, not KB. http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/p...g/sysreqs.mspx |
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... On Nov 29, 12:37 pm, Vic Smith wrote: On Thu, 29 Nov 2007 12:28:03 -0500, wrote: On Thu, 29 Nov 2007 12:06:10 -0500, HK wrote: wrote: On Thu, 29 Nov 07, HK wrote: If the update "takes," I'll update the RAM to 512KB. Let us know how you come out. I have a desktop with twice that much RAM but somehow I thought XP required more. If yours works, I might give XP Home a shot on my spare desktop. Can anybody suggest a reliable online source that supplies legitimate XP Home OS at a reasonable price? Rick XP Pro runs on 384KB. I haven't installed any software yet, but the OS certainly runs properly. Maybe on 384MB, but no way will it run on 384kb I recall running XP Pro on 256k. Maybe my memory is wrong, but I don't think so. --Vic- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - 64 Megs minimum: http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/p...g/sysreqs.mspx That would not be fun or enjoyable. |
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On Nov 29, 8:59 am, wrote:
On Nov 29, 8:55 am, HK wrote: wrote: On Nov 29, 8:44 am, HK wrote: Well, I am taking the plunge. I am updating my old IBM T23 laptop from Win2k to WINXP Pro. It's a great little laptop, though technology long passed it by, and at the moment it only has 384KB of memory. If the update "takes," I'll update the RAM to 512KB. This is the machine I let household guests use. Gosh, if it works out, I'll be as up to date OS-wise as the great computer gurus here. Yeah, that's a problem. Someone changes a harddrive, or installs windows and they think they are a CNE.. We go in and clean up their messes, all the time;) Hopefully, it won't be a problem. I repartioned the single hard drive and am reformatting it to get rid of all traces of the old OS. There's an active mailing list for the IBM (now Lenovo) portables, and the gurus there said I should be able to do the OS upgrade with minimal hassle. The only worry I have is being able to find all the device drivers, but I was assured that won't be a serious issue. We shall see. I also have a master driver CD around somewhere... Though I like the IBM portables, this is my last, since the new owner of "Thinkpads" is now a mainland Chinese company.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - I always end up back with Toshiba, and I use mine in the shop! Going to XP you should have few driver problems. The only poblem we are having is some of the drivers want to see "C" as the boot drive, and we have Vista there...- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Same here, I really like Toshiba laptops. I'm on my second one, the first is still running just fine for my daughter. |
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On Nov 29, 10:15 am, "JoeSpareBedroom" wrote:
"HK" wrote in message ... JoeSpareBedroom wrote: "HK" wrote in message m... Well, I am taking the plunge. I am updating my old IBM T23 laptop from Win2k to WINXP Pro. It's a great little laptop, though technology long passed it by, and at the moment it only has 384KB of memory. If the update "takes," I'll update the RAM to 512KB. This is the machine I let household guests use. Gosh, if it works out, I'll be as up to date OS-wise as the great computer gurus here. Before you run Windows Update, you may want to read this slowly, three times: http://windowssecrets.com/comp/071129/#story1 And don't give me any crap about how your situation is an exception to what the writer is talking about, or how your copy of XP is legit so none of this matters. Since my copy of XP Pro was sent to me as a gift from MS, I am not concerned about its legitimacy. Wrong. That's like saying warrantless surveillance is cool because you haven't broken the law. Read the article. WGA can still cause nightmares, and there's nothing you can to once it begins. You'll wish you'd paid attention.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Yes it can, and does. I personally know someone who went through hell with WGA. |
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On Thu, 29 Nov 07, LoogyPicker wrote:
Microsoft says 64 MB minimum, not KB. http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/p...g/sysreqs.mspx Okay thanks, I was seeing KB but thinking MB anyway. But now that I look at the link, I think maybe processor clockspeed is the reason I haven't switched before now. I can't remember. I'll have to check mine again. Rick |
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On Nov 29, 3:34 pm, wrote:
On Nov 29, 8:59 am, wrote: On Nov 29, 8:55 am, HK wrote: wrote: On Nov 29, 8:44 am, HK wrote: Well, I am taking the plunge. I am updating my old IBM T23 laptop from Win2k to WINXP Pro. It's a great little laptop, though technology long passed it by, and at the moment it only has 384KB of memory. If the update "takes," I'll update the RAM to 512KB. This is the machine I let household guests use. Gosh, if it works out, I'll be as up to date OS-wise as the great computer gurus here. Yeah, that's a problem. Someone changes a harddrive, or installs windows and they think they are a CNE.. We go in and clean up their messes, all the time;) Hopefully, it won't be a problem. I repartioned the single hard drive and am reformatting it to get rid of all traces of the old OS. There's an active mailing list for the IBM (now Lenovo) portables, and the gurus there said I should be able to do the OS upgrade with minimal hassle. The only worry I have is being able to find all the device drivers, but I was assured that won't be a serious issue. We shall see. I also have a master driver CD around somewhere... Though I like the IBM portables, this is my last, since the new owner of "Thinkpads" is now a mainland Chinese company.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - I always end up back with Toshiba, and I use mine in the shop! Going to XP you should have few driver problems. The only poblem we are having is some of the drivers want to see "C" as the boot drive, and we have Vista there...- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Same here, I really like Toshiba laptops. I'm on my second one, the first is still running just fine for my daughter.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - I have been loyal to them ever since I desk tested a few in the woodshop about a decade ago.. They are unstopable... |
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On Nov 29, 12:06 pm, HK wrote: wrote: On Thu, 29 Nov 07, HK wrote: If the update "takes," I'll update the RAM to 512KB. Let us know how you come out. I have a desktop with twice that much RAM but somehow I thought XP required more. If yours works, I might give XP Home a shot on my spare desktop. Can anybody suggest a reliable online source that supplies legitimate XP Home OS at a reasonable price? Rick XP Pro runs on 384KB. I haven't installed any software yet, but the OS certainly runs properly. Microsoft says 64 MB minimum, not KB. http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/p...g/sysreqs.mspx Yeah, yeah, yeah...typo on my part. |
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On Thu, 29 Nov 2007 15:19:02 -0500, HK wrote:
Short Wave Sportfishing wrote: On Thu, 29 Nov 2007 12:34:13 -0500, HK wrote: wrote: On Thu, 29 Nov 2007 12:06:10 -0500, HK wrote: lid wrote: On Thu, 29 Nov 07, HK wrote: If the update "takes," I'll update the RAM to 512KB. Let us know how you come out. I have a desktop with twice that much RAM but somehow I thought XP required more. If yours works, I might give XP Home a shot on my spare desktop. Can anybody suggest a reliable online source that supplies legitimate XP Home OS at a reasonable price? Rick XP Pro runs on 384KB. I haven't installed any software yet, but the OS certainly runs properly. Maybe on 384MB, but no way will it run on 384kb Oooops. I'm multitasking. Just finished with the lenovo update site. All is well. A Lenovo? Harry - you dog you. Ahh, but there's an explanation. There always is. I have a Thinkpad that predates IBM's sale of the asset to the Chinese. Of course. :) |
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Harry - you dog you. Ahh, but there's an explanation. There always is. I have a Thinkpad that predates IBM's sale of the asset to the Chinese. Of course. :) One has to remain flexible in your position on all issues. |
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I really like Toshiba laptops. I'm on my second one, the
first is still running just fine for my daughter. On Thu, 29 Nov, justwaitafrekinminute wrote: I have been loyal to them ever since I desk tested a few in the woodshop about a decade ago.. They are unstopable... They don't last long when you drop 'em in salt water. Please don't ask me how I know. Rick |
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Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
On Thu, 29 Nov 2007 15:19:02 -0500, HK wrote: Short Wave Sportfishing wrote: On Thu, 29 Nov 2007 12:34:13 -0500, HK wrote: wrote: On Thu, 29 Nov 2007 12:06:10 -0500, HK wrote: lid wrote: On Thu, 29 Nov 07, HK wrote: If the update "takes," I'll update the RAM to 512KB. Let us know how you come out. I have a desktop with twice that much RAM but somehow I thought XP required more. If yours works, I might give XP Home a shot on my spare desktop. Can anybody suggest a reliable online source that supplies legitimate XP Home OS at a reasonable price? Rick XP Pro runs on 384KB. I haven't installed any software yet, but the OS certainly runs properly. Maybe on 384MB, but no way will it run on 384kb Oooops. I'm multitasking. Just finished with the lenovo update site. All is well. A Lenovo? Harry - you dog you. Ahh, but there's an explanation. There always is. I have a Thinkpad that predates IBM's sale of the asset to the Chinese. Of course. :) You think I'm kidding? It's an old T23 that was running Win2k on an Intel Pentium III Mobile CPU running at 1133MHz. Not as old as you are, but just as creaky. I think it dates to 2001. |
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Short Wave Sportfishing wrote: Harry - you dog you. Ahh, but there's an explanation. There always is. I have a Thinkpad that predates IBM's sale of the asset to the Chinese. Of course. :) One has to remain flexible in your position on all issues. Most especially for you, since you apparently go through life bent over. |
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On Thu, 29 Nov 2007 15:57:30 -0500, HK wrote:
Short Wave Sportfishing wrote: On Thu, 29 Nov 2007 15:19:02 -0500, HK wrote: Short Wave Sportfishing wrote: On Thu, 29 Nov 2007 12:34:13 -0500, HK wrote: wrote: On Thu, 29 Nov 2007 12:06:10 -0500, HK wrote: lid wrote: On Thu, 29 Nov 07, HK wrote: If the update "takes," I'll update the RAM to 512KB. Let us know how you come out. I have a desktop with twice that much RAM but somehow I thought XP required more. If yours works, I might give XP Home a shot on my spare desktop. Can anybody suggest a reliable online source that supplies legitimate XP Home OS at a reasonable price? Rick XP Pro runs on 384KB. I haven't installed any software yet, but the OS certainly runs properly. Maybe on 384MB, but no way will it run on 384kb Oooops. I'm multitasking. Just finished with the lenovo update site. All is well. A Lenovo? Harry - you dog you. Ahh, but there's an explanation. There always is. I have a Thinkpad that predates IBM's sale of the asset to the Chinese. Of course. :) You think I'm kidding? Not at all - I believe you implicitly. It's an old T23 that was running Win2k on an Intel Pentium III Mobile CPU running at 1133MHz. Not as old as you are, but just as creaky. I think it dates to 2001. Cool - glad it works. |
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wrote in message ... On Nov 29, 3:34 pm, wrote: On Nov 29, 8:59 am, wrote: On Nov 29, 8:55 am, HK wrote: wrote: On Nov 29, 8:44 am, HK wrote: Well, I am taking the plunge. I am updating my old IBM T23 laptop from Win2k to WINXP Pro. It's a great little laptop, though technology long passed it by, and at the moment it only has 384KB of memory. If the update "takes," I'll update the RAM to 512KB. This is the machine I let household guests use. Gosh, if it works out, I'll be as up to date OS-wise as the great computer gurus here. Yeah, that's a problem. Someone changes a harddrive, or installs windows and they think they are a CNE.. We go in and clean up their messes, all the time;) Hopefully, it won't be a problem. I repartioned the single hard drive and am reformatting it to get rid of all traces of the old OS. There's an active mailing list for the IBM (now Lenovo) portables, and the gurus there said I should be able to do the OS upgrade with minimal hassle. The only worry I have is being able to find all the device drivers, but I was assured that won't be a serious issue. We shall see. I also have a master driver CD around somewhere... Though I like the IBM portables, this is my last, since the new owner of "Thinkpads" is now a mainland Chinese company.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - I always end up back with Toshiba, and I use mine in the shop! Going to XP you should have few driver problems. The only poblem we are having is some of the drivers want to see "C" as the boot drive, and we have Vista there...- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Same here, I really like Toshiba laptops. I'm on my second one, the first is still running just fine for my daughter.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - I have been loyal to them ever since I desk tested a few in the woodshop about a decade ago.. They are unstopable... They are not unstoppable. Just let dust get into the cooling system and they do stop. Taking them apart to clean them up is real joy. Been there, done that. How do you keep the dust of the air ducts? |
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On Thu, 29 Nov 2007 15:49:02 -0500, HK wrote: wrote: On Nov 29, 12:06 pm, HK wrote: wrote: On Thu, 29 Nov 07, HK wrote: If the update "takes," I'll update the RAM to 512KB. Let us know how you come out. I have a desktop with twice that much RAM but somehow I thought XP required more. If yours works, I might give XP Home a shot on my spare desktop. Can anybody suggest a reliable online source that supplies legitimate XP Home OS at a reasonable price? Rick XP Pro runs on 384KB. I haven't installed any software yet, but the OS certainly runs properly. Microsoft says 64 MB minimum, not KB. http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/p...g/sysreqs.mspx Yeah, yeah, yeah...typo on my part. Typo usually means "miss typed", as in "fat fingered" You made several posts with the same error. That makes it technically, a boo-boo. So, what do I have to do for penance? Pretend I'm Reggie? |
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Although the LEnovo Thinkpads are quality merchandise, I wouldn't buy a
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Bill Kearney wrote:
Although the LEnovo Thinkpads are quality merchandise, I wouldn't buy a new one because of the Chinese connection. You do realize that Lenovo had been making the "IBM" units for quite a while, don't you? Yup, but my Thinkpad was manufactured in 2001, in the good old U.S.A. of Mexico, or so it says on the sticker label on the back of it. It says "Made by IBM...Manufactured in Mexico." |
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On Fri, 30 Nov 2007 06:49:12 -0500, HK wrote:
wrote: On Thu, 29 Nov 2007 22:22:34 -0500, HK wrote: Yup, but my Thinkpad was manufactured in 2001, in the good old U.S.A. of Mexico, or so it says on the sticker label on the back of it. It says "Made by IBM...Manufactured in Mexico." I imagine it is still packed with Asian chips. Corn chips and salsa. Speaking of corn chips and salsa, I have an addiction to baked Tostitos and Newman's (or Imus Ranch) medium salsa. I have a slight preference for the Imus Ranch salsa, but I also like the Newman's. I can plow through a bag and a jar in nothing flat. (Amazing how these threads can turn on a dime huh?) |
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Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
On Fri, 30 Nov 2007 06:49:12 -0500, HK wrote: wrote: On Thu, 29 Nov 2007 22:22:34 -0500, HK wrote: Yup, but my Thinkpad was manufactured in 2001, in the good old U.S.A. of Mexico, or so it says on the sticker label on the back of it. It says "Made by IBM...Manufactured in Mexico." I imagine it is still packed with Asian chips. Corn chips and salsa. Speaking of corn chips and salsa, I have an addiction to baked Tostitos and Newman's (or Imus Ranch) medium salsa. I have a slight preference for the Imus Ranch salsa, but I also like the Newman's. I can plow through a bag and a jar in nothing flat. (Amazing how these threads can turn on a dime huh?) Tostito's Scoops and Safeway's Deli Medium Salsa. |
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Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
On Fri, 30 Nov 2007 06:49:12 -0500, HK wrote: wrote: On Thu, 29 Nov 2007 22:22:34 -0500, HK wrote: Yup, but my Thinkpad was manufactured in 2001, in the good old U.S.A. of Mexico, or so it says on the sticker label on the back of it. It says "Made by IBM...Manufactured in Mexico." I imagine it is still packed with Asian chips. Corn chips and salsa. Speaking of corn chips and salsa, I have an addiction to baked Tostitos and Newman's (or Imus Ranch) medium salsa. I have a slight preference for the Imus Ranch salsa, but I also like the Newman's. I can plow through a bag and a jar in nothing flat. (Amazing how these threads can turn on a dime huh?) I like newman's tomato sauces. Not much of a salsa fan. |
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On Fri, 30 Nov 07, Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
(Amazing how these threads can turn on a dime huh?) That's ok, Agent has an "Ignore Subthread" button ;-) (I have no idea what BARscrew you just said (no offense Mr Screw You) or anyone else further down that line LoL!)! Rick |
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On Fri, 30 Nov 07, PhantMan wrote:
On Fri, 30 Nov 07, Short Wave Sportfishing wrote: (Amazing how these threads can turn on a dime huh?) That's ok, Agent has an "Ignore Subthread" button ;-) (I have no idea what BARscrew you just said (no offense Mr Screw You) or anyone else further down that line LoL!)! I should have mentioned, to the guys I've been talking with about Agent, don't attach a question under here. I won't see it! LoL! ..........hmmm... well, unless I specifically look for it, then manually mark the header unread, then manually download the body. Like I'm about to do with Mr BARscrew you's reply ;-) (After all, in this case, it's the civil thing to do) |
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