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On Nov 30, 7:31 am, Short Wave Sportfishing
wrote:
On Fri, 30 Nov 2007 06:49:12 -0500, HK wrote:
wrote:
On Thu, 29 Nov 2007 22:22:34 -0500, HK wrote:

Yup, but my Thinkpad was manufactured in 2001, in the good old U.S.A. of
Mexico, or so it says on the sticker label on the back of it. It says
"Made by IBM...Manufactured in Mexico."

I imagine it is still packed with Asian chips.

Corn chips and salsa.

Speaking of corn chips and salsa, I have an addiction to baked
Tostitos and Newman's (or Imus Ranch) medium salsa. I have a slight
preference for the Imus Ranch salsa, but I also like the Newman's.

I can plow through a bag and a jar in nothing flat.

(Amazing how these threads can turn on a dime huh?)

I like homemade salsa the best. Jarred is no comparison to fresh.

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On Nov 29, 3:57 pm, wrote:
I really like Toshiba laptops. I'm on my second one, the
first is still running just fine for my daughter.
On Thu, 29 Nov, justwaitafrekinminute wrote:
I have been loyal to them ever since I desk tested a few in the
woodshop about a decade ago.. They are unstopable...

They don't last long when you drop 'em in salt water.

I'm shocked!

Please don't ask me how I know.

Rick

Hehe!!

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On Nov 29, 3:48 pm, wrote:
On Nov 29, 3:34 pm, wrote:





On Nov 29, 8:59 am, wrote:

On Nov 29, 8:55 am, HK wrote:

wrote:
On Nov 29, 8:44 am, HK wrote:
Well, I am taking the plunge.
I am updating my old IBM T23 laptop from Win2k to WINXP Pro.
It's a great little laptop, though technology long passed it by, and at
the moment it only has 384KB of memory. If the update "takes," I'll
update the RAM to 512KB.

This is the machine I let household guests use.

Gosh, if it works out, I'll be as up to date OS-wise as the great
computer gurus here.

Yeah, that's a problem. Someone changes a harddrive, or installs
windows and they think they are a CNE.. We go in and clean up their
messes, all the time;)

Hopefully, it won't be a problem. I repartioned the single hard drive
and am reformatting it to get rid of all traces of the old OS. There's
an active mailing list for the IBM (now Lenovo) portables, and the gurus
there said I should be able to do the OS upgrade with minimal hassle.
The only worry I have is being able to find all the device drivers, but
I was assured that won't be a serious issue. We shall see. I also have a
master driver CD around somewhere...

Though I like the IBM portables, this is my last, since the new owner of
"Thinkpads" is now a mainland Chinese company.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

I always end up back with Toshiba, and I use mine in the shop! Going
to XP you should have few driver problems. The only poblem we are
having is some of the drivers want to see "C" as the boot drive, and
we have Vista there...- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Same here, I really like Toshiba laptops. I'm on my second one, the
first is still running just fine for my daughter.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

I have been loyal to them ever since I desk tested a few in the
woodshop about a decade ago.. They are unstopable...- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

My first one did have a keyboard failure after it was forced to drink
a cup of coffee. But, it was a $57.00 fix including the keyboard!!!!

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On Nov 30, 12:55 pm, wrote:
On Fri, 30 Nov 2007 07:47:43 -0500, HK wrote:
I like newman's tomato sauces. Not much of a salsa fan.

I think the best salsa is what you make yourself from fresh peppers,
onions and tomatoes. That bottled stuff always tasted like ketchup and
chili powder to me.

I agree. The stuff in jars is full of salt for flavor, instead of the
flavor of fresh veggies, and it's pulverized into a slurry!

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On Nov 29, 12:06 pm, HK wrote:
wrote:
On Thu, 29 Nov 07, HK wrote:
If the update "takes," I'll update the RAM to 512KB.

Let us know how you come out.
I have a desktop with twice that much RAM but somehow I thought XP
required more. If yours works, I might give XP Home a shot on my spare
desktop.
Can anybody suggest a reliable online source that supplies legitimate
XP Home OS at a reasonable price?

Rick

XP Pro runs on 384KB. I haven't installed any software yet, but the OS
certainly runs properly.

Microsoft says 64 MB minimum, not KB.

http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/p...g/sysreqs.mspx


Actually doubt that you can run anything with 64mb. I had a system with 128
mb and with Norton running (resource hog) the system would lockup lots of
the time. You could run XP, but any other program you tried to run under XP
may kill the system.

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wrote in message
...
On Thu, 29 Nov 2007 22:22:34 -0500, HK wrote:

Yup, but my Thinkpad was manufactured in 2001, in the good old U.S.A. of
Mexico, or so it says on the sticker label on the back of it. It says
"Made by IBM...Manufactured in Mexico."

I imagine it is still packed with Asian chips.

Lots of those Asian / Philippine chips are made in America. The wafers are
made here and tested and shipped overseas for assembly and the final
assembly point gets the made in sticker.

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LoogyPicker wrote
Microsoft says 64 MB minimum, not KB.
http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/p...g/sysreqs.mspx

On Fri, 30 Nov 07, "Calif Bill" wrote:
Actually doubt that you can run anything with 64mb. I had a system with 128
mb and with Norton running (resource hog) the system would lockup lots of
the time. You could run XP, but any other program you tried to run under XP
may kill the system.

What happens if processor clock speed isn't quite up to
recommendation? I would think it might simply run slower but... I have
no clue. Anybody?
I have an AMD Athlon XP sticker on the front of the desktop box but no
idea what the clock speed is. Will it be stamped on the processor
itself?

TIA,
Rick

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On Nov 29, 5:09 pm, "D.Duck" wrote:
wrote in message

...





On Nov 29, 3:34 pm, wrote:
On Nov 29, 8:59 am, wrote:

On Nov 29, 8:55 am, HK wrote:

wrote:
On Nov 29, 8:44 am, HK wrote:
Well, I am taking the plunge.
I am updating my old IBM T23 laptop from Win2k to WINXP Pro.
It's a great little laptop, though technology long passed it by,
and at
the moment it only has 384KB of memory. If the update "takes,"
I'll
update the RAM to 512KB.

This is the machine I let household guests use.

Gosh, if it works out, I'll be as up to date OS-wise as the great
computer gurus here.

Yeah, that's a problem. Someone changes a harddrive, or installs
windows and they think they are a CNE.. We go in and clean up their
messes, all the time;)

Hopefully, it won't be a problem. I repartioned the single hard drive
and am reformatting it to get rid of all traces of the old OS.
There's
an active mailing list for the IBM (now Lenovo) portables, and the
gurus
there said I should be able to do the OS upgrade with minimal hassle.
The only worry I have is being able to find all the device drivers,
but
I was assured that won't be a serious issue. We shall see. I also
have a
master driver CD around somewhere...

Though I like the IBM portables, this is my last, since the new owner
of
"Thinkpads" is now a mainland Chinese company.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

I always end up back with Toshiba, and I use mine in the shop! Going
to XP you should have few driver problems. The only poblem we are
having is some of the drivers want to see "C" as the boot drive, and
we have Vista there...- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Same here, I really like Toshiba laptops. I'm on my second one, the
first is still running just fine for my daughter.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

I have been loyal to them ever since I desk tested a few in the
woodshop about a decade ago.. They are unstopable...

They are not unstoppable. Just let dust get into the cooling system and
they do stop. Taking them apart to clean them up is real joy. Been there,
done that.

How do you keep the dust of the air ducts?- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Take them apart;) I have a pretty cool shop, I can do almost anything
there... The last one had an epoxy plug that I fabricated to fit in
the power button hole, when the button disintegrated. I did have one
about 4 years ago that had a lot of recalls so I tried HP last time
around.. I was back at the electronics store begging after about two
months and three seperate shipping charges to send it out for service,
Best Buy (our favorite) finally agreed with me and just traded me for
a new toshiba... I will never stray again, although that Panasonic
work site model looks pretty cool...

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On Fri, 30 Nov 2007 15:29:31 -0600, lid wrote:

LoogyPicker wrote
Microsoft says 64 MB minimum, not KB.
http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/p...g/sysreqs.mspx

On Fri, 30 Nov 07, "Calif Bill" wrote:
Actually doubt that you can run anything with 64mb. I had a system with 128
mb and with Norton running (resource hog) the system would lockup lots of
the time. You could run XP, but any other program you tried to run under XP
may kill the system.

What happens if processor clock speed isn't quite up to
recommendation? I would think it might simply run slower but... I have
no clue. Anybody?
I have an AMD Athlon XP sticker on the front of the desktop box but no
idea what the clock speed is. Will it be stamped on the processor
itself?

Try this
http://www.cpuid.com/cpuz.php

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On Nov 30, 10:07 am, wrote:
On Nov 29, 3:48 pm, wrote:





On Nov 29, 3:34 pm, wrote:

On Nov 29, 8:59 am, wrote:

On Nov 29, 8:55 am, HK wrote:

wrote:
On Nov 29, 8:44 am, HK wrote:
Well, I am taking the plunge.
I am updating my old IBM T23 laptop from Win2k to WINXP Pro.
It's a great little laptop, though technology long passed it by, and at
the moment it only has 384KB of memory. If the update "takes," I'll
update the RAM to 512KB.

This is the machine I let household guests use.

Gosh, if it works out, I'll be as up to date OS-wise as the great
computer gurus here.

Yeah, that's a problem. Someone changes a harddrive, or installs
windows and they think they are a CNE.. We go in and clean up their
messes, all the time;)

Hopefully, it won't be a problem. I repartioned the single hard drive
and am reformatting it to get rid of all traces of the old OS. There's
an active mailing list for the IBM (now Lenovo) portables, and the gurus
there said I should be able to do the OS upgrade with minimal hassle.
The only worry I have is being able to find all the device drivers, but
I was assured that won't be a serious issue. We shall see. I also have a
master driver CD around somewhere...

Though I like the IBM portables, this is my last, since the new owner of
"Thinkpads" is now a mainland Chinese company.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

I always end up back with Toshiba, and I use mine in the shop! Going
to XP you should have few driver problems. The only poblem we are
having is some of the drivers want to see "C" as the boot drive, and
we have Vista there...- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Same here, I really like Toshiba laptops. I'm on my second one, the
first is still running just fine for my daughter.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

I have been loyal to them ever since I desk tested a few in the
woodshop about a decade ago.. They are unstopable...- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

My first one did have a keyboard failure after it was forced to drink
a cup of coffee. But, it was a $57.00 fix including the keyboard!!!!- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

I did the same thing to my first one, cost me 47;)

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On Nov 29, 5:09 pm, "D.Duck" wrote:
wrote in message

...





On Nov 29, 3:34 pm, wrote:
On Nov 29, 8:59 am, wrote:

On Nov 29, 8:55 am, HK wrote:

wrote:
On Nov 29, 8:44 am, HK wrote:
Well, I am taking the plunge.
I am updating my old IBM T23 laptop from Win2k to WINXP Pro.
It's a great little laptop, though technology long passed it
by,
and at
the moment it only has 384KB of memory. If the update "takes,"
I'll
update the RAM to 512KB.

This is the machine I let household guests use.

Gosh, if it works out, I'll be as up to date OS-wise as the
great
computer gurus here.

Yeah, that's a problem. Someone changes a harddrive, or installs
windows and they think they are a CNE.. We go in and clean up
their
messes, all the time;)

Hopefully, it won't be a problem. I repartioned the single hard
drive
and am reformatting it to get rid of all traces of the old OS.
There's
an active mailing list for the IBM (now Lenovo) portables, and the
gurus
there said I should be able to do the OS upgrade with minimal
hassle.
The only worry I have is being able to find all the device
drivers,
but
I was assured that won't be a serious issue. We shall see. I also
have a
master driver CD around somewhere...

Though I like the IBM portables, this is my last, since the new
owner
of
"Thinkpads" is now a mainland Chinese company.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

I always end up back with Toshiba, and I use mine in the shop! Going
to XP you should have few driver problems. The only poblem we are
having is some of the drivers want to see "C" as the boot drive, and
we have Vista there...- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Same here, I really like Toshiba laptops. I'm on my second one, the
first is still running just fine for my daughter.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

I have been loyal to them ever since I desk tested a few in the
woodshop about a decade ago.. They are unstopable...

They are not unstoppable. Just let dust get into the cooling system and
they do stop. Taking them apart to clean them up is real joy. Been
there,
done that.

How do you keep the dust of the air ducts?- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Take them apart;) I have a pretty cool shop, I can do almost anything
there... The last one had an epoxy plug that I fabricated to fit in
the power button hole, when the button disintegrated. I did have one
about 4 years ago that had a lot of recalls so I tried HP last time
around.. I was back at the electronics store begging after about two
months and three seperate shipping charges to send it out for service,
Best Buy (our favorite) finally agreed with me and just traded me for
a new toshiba... I will never stray again, although that Panasonic
work site model looks pretty cool...

What precautions do you take to keep dust, grit, etc out of the cooling
system?

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wrote in message
...
LoogyPicker wrote
Microsoft says 64 MB minimum, not KB.
http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/p...g/sysreqs.mspx

On Fri, 30 Nov 07, "Calif Bill" wrote:
Actually doubt that you can run anything with 64mb. I had a system with
128
mb and with Norton running (resource hog) the system would lockup lots of
the time. You could run XP, but any other program you tried to run under
XP
may kill the system.

What happens if processor clock speed isn't quite up to
recommendation? I would think it might simply run slower but... I have
no clue. Anybody?
I have an AMD Athlon XP sticker on the front of the desktop box but no
idea what the clock speed is. Will it be stamped on the processor
itself?

TIA,
Rick

Start Control Panel System. There you will the CPU type/speed, DRAM
installed and OS version.

There are some freeware utilities that will tell all you want to know and
more about your system. Here's one:

http://www.download.com/Belarc-Advis...-10716621.html

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On Fri, 30 Nov 2007 10:26:30 -0800 (PST), wrote:

On Nov 30, 12:55 pm, wrote:
On Fri, 30 Nov 2007 07:47:43 -0500, HK wrote:
I like newman's tomato sauces. Not much of a salsa fan.

I think the best salsa is what you make yourself from fresh peppers,
onions and tomatoes. That bottled stuff always tasted like ketchup and
chili powder to me.

I agree. The stuff in jars is full of salt for flavor, instead of the
flavor of fresh veggies, and it's pulverized into a slurry!

You haven't tried Newman's or Imus then.

Try them sometime - they are pricey, but worth it.

The Great OS Upodate
 

On Fri, 30 Nov 2007 12:55:45 -0500, wrote:

On Fri, 30 Nov 2007 07:47:43 -0500, HK wrote:

I like newman's tomato sauces. Not much of a salsa fan.

I think the best salsa is what you make yourself from fresh peppers,
onions and tomatoes. That bottled stuff always tasted like ketchup and
chili powder to me.

Most "homemade" salsa's aren't worth the powder to blow up. Maybe you
have a decent recipe, but I haven't had one yet.

Newman's or Imus for consistency, thick veggies and a nice balance
between taste and heat.

The Great OS Upodate
 

Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
On Fri, 30 Nov 2007 12:55:45 -0500, wrote:

On Fri, 30 Nov 2007 07:47:43 -0500, HK wrote:

I like newman's tomato sauces. Not much of a salsa fan.
I think the best salsa is what you make yourself from fresh peppers,
onions and tomatoes. That bottled stuff always tasted like ketchup and
chili powder to me.

Most "homemade" salsa's aren't worth the powder to blow up. Maybe you
have a decent recipe, but I haven't had one yet.

Newman's or Imus for consistency, thick veggies and a nice balance
between taste and heat.

I don't think I could buy Imus's salsa.

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On Nov 30, 5:09 pm, "D.Duck" wrote:
wrote in message

...





On Nov 29, 5:09 pm, "D.Duck" wrote:
wrote in message

...

On Nov 29, 3:34 pm, wrote:
On Nov 29, 8:59 am, wrote:

On Nov 29, 8:55 am, HK wrote:

wrote:
On Nov 29, 8:44 am, HK wrote:
Well, I am taking the plunge.
I am updating my old IBM T23 laptop from Win2k to WINXP Pro.
It's a great little laptop, though technology long passed it
by,
and at
the moment it only has 384KB of memory. If the update "takes,"
I'll
update the RAM to 512KB.

This is the machine I let household guests use.

Gosh, if it works out, I'll be as up to date OS-wise as the
great
computer gurus here.

Yeah, that's a problem. Someone changes a harddrive, or installs
windows and they think they are a CNE.. We go in and clean up
their
messes, all the time;)

Hopefully, it won't be a problem. I repartioned the single hard
drive
and am reformatting it to get rid of all traces of the old OS.
There's
an active mailing list for the IBM (now Lenovo) portables, and the
gurus
there said I should be able to do the OS upgrade with minimal
hassle.
The only worry I have is being able to find all the device
drivers,
but
I was assured that won't be a serious issue. We shall see. I also
have a
master driver CD around somewhere...

Though I like the IBM portables, this is my last, since the new
owner
of
"Thinkpads" is now a mainland Chinese company.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

I always end up back with Toshiba, and I use mine in the shop! Going
to XP you should have few driver problems. The only poblem we are
having is some of the drivers want to see "C" as the boot drive, and
we have Vista there...- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Same here, I really like Toshiba laptops. I'm on my second one, the
first is still running just fine for my daughter.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

I have been loyal to them ever since I desk tested a few in the
woodshop about a decade ago.. They are unstopable...

They are not unstoppable. Just let dust get into the cooling system and
they do stop. Taking them apart to clean them up is real joy. Been
there,
done that.

How do you keep the dust of the air ducts?- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Take them apart;) I have a pretty cool shop, I can do almost anything
there... The last one had an epoxy plug that I fabricated to fit in
the power button hole, when the button disintegrated. I did have one
about 4 years ago that had a lot of recalls so I tried HP last time
around.. I was back at the electronics store begging after about two
months and three seperate shipping charges to send it out for service,
Best Buy (our favorite) finally agreed with me and just traded me for
a new toshiba... I will never stray again, although that Panasonic
work site model looks pretty cool...

What precautions do you take to keep dust, grit, etc out of the cooling
system?- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Compressed air, and a screwdriver... I just take them apart when they
get dirty. This one has not been in the woodshop yet..

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On Nov 30, 5:28 pm, " JimH" ask wrote:
"D.Duck" wrote in message

...







wrote in message
I have been loyal to them ever since I desk tested a few in the
woodshop about a decade ago.. They are unstopable...

They are not unstoppable. Just let dust get into the cooling system and
they do stop. Taking them apart to clean them up is real joy. Been
there,
done that.

How do you keep the dust of the air ducts?- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Take them apart;) I have a pretty cool shop, I can do almost anything
there... The last one had an epoxy plug that I fabricated to fit in
the power button hole, when the button disintegrated. I did have one
about 4 years ago that had a lot of recalls so I tried HP last time
around.. I was back at the electronics store begging after about two
months and three seperate shipping charges to send it out for service,
Best Buy (our favorite) finally agreed with me and just traded me for
a new toshiba... I will never stray again, although that Panasonic
work site model looks pretty cool...

What precautions do you take to keep dust, grit, etc out of the cooling
system?

One of the major downfalls of laptops, especially since only the experienced
can disassemble them to clean off the (insulating) dust.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Yes, they are a real bitch in many cases. In the past when the
Toshibas had all metal frames, it was even worse. Lately, some sort of
"convention" has crept into most of the main manufacturers. Just
remember, it it takes force, you are probably doing it wrong. And rule
2 is if you can't get it out, go at it from the other side;) I have
taken dozens of the apart, repaired "solid state" boards, made
switches, I am getting pretty good at it.

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On Nov 30, 5:55 pm, " JimH" ask wrote:
"Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in messagenews:bi31l3d3poe61iftrtld3sst8qdqf173l8@4ax .com...

On Fri, 30 Nov 2007 12:55:45 -0500, wrote:

On Fri, 30 Nov 2007 07:47:43 -0500, HK wrote:

I like newman's tomato sauces. Not much of a salsa fan.

I think the best salsa is what you make yourself from fresh peppers,
onions and tomatoes. That bottled stuff always tasted like ketchup and
chili powder to me.

Most "homemade" salsa's aren't worth the powder to blow up. Maybe you
have a decent recipe, but I haven't had one yet.

Newman's or Imus for consistency, thick veggies and a nice balance
between taste and heat.

The 'Newman's Own' brand made a great cranberry macadamia nut crunch cereal
that was discontinued but is reportedly soon to go back into production due
to popular demand. We used to buy it at Costco.

My wife likes 'Newman's Own' Light Honey Mustard dressing for chicken salads
and dipping.

And of course proceeds from Newman's stuff go to the "Hole in the Wall
Gang Camp" for kids with blood born disease and their families.

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"Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message
...
On Fri, 30 Nov 2007 10:26:30 -0800 (PST), wrote:

On Nov 30, 12:55 pm, wrote:
On Fri, 30 Nov 2007 07:47:43 -0500, HK wrote:
I like newman's tomato sauces. Not much of a salsa fan.

I think the best salsa is what you make yourself from fresh peppers,
onions and tomatoes. That bottled stuff always tasted like ketchup and
chili powder to me.

I agree. The stuff in jars is full of salt for flavor, instead of the
flavor of fresh veggies, and it's pulverized into a slurry!

You haven't tried Newman's or Imus then.

Try them sometime - they are pricey, but worth it.



And both, I think, donate the profits to charity.

Eisboch

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"Reginald P. Smithers III" wrote in message
. ..

I don't think I could buy Imus's salsa.


You should at least try it. It's very good ... probably one of the best.
And the last I knew, Imus products ... the salsa and household cleaners have
the profits donated to charity.

BTW .... Imus returns to radio next week.

Eisboch

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On Nov 30, 6:32 pm, "Eisboch" wrote:
"Reginald P. Smithers III" wrote in messagenews:irednY29jq78Dc3anZ2dnUVZ_uTinZ2d@comca st.com...



I don't think I could buy Imus's salsa.

You should at least try it. It's very good ... probably one of the best.
And the last I knew, Imus products ... the salsa and household cleaners have
the profits donated to charity.

BTW .... Imus returns to radio next week.

Eisboch

Tomorrow morning he is back. And yes, his stuff is for charity too, he
does a lot of work for kids.

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wrote in message
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On Nov 30, 5:09 pm, "D.Duck" wrote:
wrote in message

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On Nov 29, 5:09 pm, "D.Duck" wrote:
wrote in message

...

On Nov 29, 3:34 pm, wrote:
On Nov 29, 8:59 am, wrote:

On Nov 29, 8:55 am, HK wrote:

wrote:
On Nov 29, 8:44 am, HK wrote:
Well, I am taking the plunge.
I am updating my old IBM T23 laptop from Win2k to WINXP Pro.
It's a great little laptop, though technology long passed it
by,
and at
the moment it only has 384KB of memory. If the update
"takes,"
I'll
update the RAM to 512KB.

This is the machine I let household guests use.

Gosh, if it works out, I'll be as up to date OS-wise as the
great
computer gurus here.

Yeah, that's a problem. Someone changes a harddrive, or
installs
windows and they think they are a CNE.. We go in and clean up
their
messes, all the time;)

Hopefully, it won't be a problem. I repartioned the single hard
drive
and am reformatting it to get rid of all traces of the old OS.
There's
an active mailing list for the IBM (now Lenovo) portables, and
the
gurus
there said I should be able to do the OS upgrade with minimal
hassle.
The only worry I have is being able to find all the device
drivers,
but
I was assured that won't be a serious issue. We shall see. I
also
have a
master driver CD around somewhere...

Though I like the IBM portables, this is my last, since the new
owner
of
"Thinkpads" is now a mainland Chinese company.- Hide quoted
text -

- Show quoted text -

I always end up back with Toshiba, and I use mine in the shop!
Going
to XP you should have few driver problems. The only poblem we are
having is some of the drivers want to see "C" as the boot drive,
and
we have Vista there...- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Same here, I really like Toshiba laptops. I'm on my second one, the
first is still running just fine for my daughter.- Hide quoted
text -

- Show quoted text -

I have been loyal to them ever since I desk tested a few in the
woodshop about a decade ago.. They are unstopable...

They are not unstoppable. Just let dust get into the cooling system
and
they do stop. Taking them apart to clean them up is real joy. Been
there,
done that.

How do you keep the dust of the air ducts?- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Take them apart;) I have a pretty cool shop, I can do almost anything
there... The last one had an epoxy plug that I fabricated to fit in
the power button hole, when the button disintegrated. I did have one
about 4 years ago that had a lot of recalls so I tried HP last time
around.. I was back at the electronics store begging after about two
months and three seperate shipping charges to send it out for service,
Best Buy (our favorite) finally agreed with me and just traded me for
a new toshiba... I will never stray again, although that Panasonic
work site model looks pretty cool...

What precautions do you take to keep dust, grit, etc out of the cooling
system?- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Compressed air, and a screwdriver... I just take them apart when they
get dirty. This one has not been in the woodshop yet..

In other words you do nothing until it starts shutting down due to
overheating? If you use compressed air applied to the unassembled case,
assuming your assembly is like mine, I think all you'd do is blow crap into
the cooling assembly.

Look at the photo associated with Step 23. That's a pretty good view of the
cooling system on my Toshiba. On my unit, A75 it's a major disassembly
project to get at the cooling stuff.

http://www.irisvista.com/tech/laptop...5/satA75_3.htm

The first time I took mine apart, not a job I relish, it was really plugged.
Took more than compressed air to get it clean. Lots of picking and prodding
to loosen accumulated crud.

After the first disassembly/reassembly I ended up with a "very" sensitive Z
key, to the extent that if you just nudged the laptop the Z would activate
and keep repeating. I was very careful but still ended up with that
problem. Nothing that 50 bux and a new keyboard didn't fix.

The Great OS Upodate
 

On Nov 30, 6:53 pm, "D.Duck" wrote:
wrote in message

...





On Nov 30, 5:09 pm, "D.Duck" wrote:
wrote in message

...

On Nov 29, 5:09 pm, "D.Duck" wrote:
wrote in message

...

On Nov 29, 3:34 pm, wrote:
On Nov 29, 8:59 am, wrote:

On Nov 29, 8:55 am, HK wrote:

wrote:
On Nov 29, 8:44 am, HK wrote:
Well, I am taking the plunge.
I am updating my old IBM T23 laptop from Win2k to WINXP Pro.
It's a great little laptop, though technology long passed it
by,
and at
the moment it only has 384KB of memory. If the update
"takes,"
I'll
update the RAM to 512KB.

This is the machine I let household guests use.

Gosh, if it works out, I'll be as up to date OS-wise as the
great
computer gurus here.

Yeah, that's a problem. Someone changes a harddrive, or
installs
windows and they think they are a CNE.. We go in and clean up
their
messes, all the time;)

Hopefully, it won't be a problem. I repartioned the single hard
drive
and am reformatting it to get rid of all traces of the old OS.
There's
an active mailing list for the IBM (now Lenovo) portables, and
the
gurus
there said I should be able to do the OS upgrade with minimal
hassle.
The only worry I have is being able to find all the device
drivers,
but
I was assured that won't be a serious issue. We shall see. I
also
have a
master driver CD around somewhere...

Though I like the IBM portables, this is my last, since the new
owner
of
"Thinkpads" is now a mainland Chinese company.- Hide quoted
text -

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I always end up back with Toshiba, and I use mine in the shop!
Going
to XP you should have few driver problems. The only poblem we are
having is some of the drivers want to see "C" as the boot drive,
and
we have Vista there...- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Same here, I really like Toshiba laptops. I'm on my second one, the
first is still running just fine for my daughter.- Hide quoted
text -

- Show quoted text -

I have been loyal to them ever since I desk tested a few in the
woodshop about a decade ago.. They are unstopable...

They are not unstoppable. Just let dust get into the cooling system
and
they do stop. Taking them apart to clean them up is real joy. Been
there,
done that.

How do you keep the dust of the air ducts?- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Take them apart;) I have a pretty cool shop, I can do almost anything
there... The last one had an epoxy plug that I fabricated to fit in
the power button hole, when the button disintegrated. I did have one
about 4 years ago that had a lot of recalls so I tried HP last time
around.. I was back at the electronics store begging after about two
months and three seperate shipping charges to send it out for service,
Best Buy (our favorite) finally agreed with me and just traded me for
a new toshiba... I will never stray again, although that Panasonic
work site model looks pretty cool...

What precautions do you take to keep dust, grit, etc out of the cooling
system?- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Compressed air, and a screwdriver... I just take them apart when they
get dirty. This one has not been in the woodshop yet..

In other words you do nothing until it starts shutting down due to
overheating? If you use compressed air applied to the unassembled case,
assuming your assembly is like mine, I think all you'd do is blow crap into
the cooling assembly.

Look at the photo associated with Step 23. That's a pretty good view of the
cooling system on my Toshiba. On my unit, A75 it's a major disassembly
project to get at the cooling stuff.

http://www.irisvista.com/tech/laptop...5/satA75_3.htm

The first time I took mine apart, not a job I relish, it was really plugged.
Took more than compressed air to get it clean. Lots of picking and prodding
to loosen accumulated crud.

After the first disassembly/reassembly I ended up with a "very" sensitive Z
key, to the extent that if you just nudged the laptop the Z would activate
and keep repeating. I was very careful but still ended up with that
problem. Nothing that 50 bux and a new keyboard didn't fix.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

We really count on our systems here to earn a living. We take them
apart often, before they shut down. My SO's desktop is actually harder
than mine to clean as she is also a smoker. We also back up and
format, reload software on a regular basis, just as a precaution. Most
of our computers are dedicated to specific types of software/function
so only the play boxes get bogged down really, like this one.
(Satellite A-135)

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wrote in message
...

We really count on our systems here to earn a living. We take them
apart often, before they shut down. My SO's desktop is actually harder
than mine to clean as she is also a smoker. We also back up and
format, reload software on a regular basis, just as a precaution. Most
of our computers are dedicated to specific types of software/function
so only the play boxes get bogged down really, like this one.
(Satellite A-135)

You guys motivated me to take this laptop apart and clean it.
It's a three year old HP Pavilion zd8000 that has performed flawlessly since
I got it.

Anyway, I shut it down, carefully turned it upside down and removed all the
accessible screws. No way would it come apart. After several attempts, the
"leave well enough alone" buzzer went off in my head. I removed a couple of
covers (the ram bay and the harddrive bay), hooked up a little computer
vacuum gizmo that came with a hand-held Oreck vacuum cleaner and carefully
vacuumed whatever dust I could get to with the little brush.

Put the screws back in and decided to forget about it.

Eisboch

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"Eisboch" wrote in message
...

wrote in message
...

We really count on our systems here to earn a living. We take them
apart often, before they shut down. My SO's desktop is actually harder
than mine to clean as she is also a smoker. We also back up and
format, reload software on a regular basis, just as a precaution. Most
of our computers are dedicated to specific types of software/function
so only the play boxes get bogged down really, like this one.
(Satellite A-135)

You guys motivated me to take this laptop apart and clean it.
It's a three year old HP Pavilion zd8000 that has performed flawlessly
since I got it.

Anyway, I shut it down, carefully turned it upside down and removed all
the accessible screws. No way would it come apart. After several
attempts, the "leave well enough alone" buzzer went off in my head. I
removed a couple of covers (the ram bay and the harddrive bay), hooked up
a little computer vacuum gizmo that came with a hand-held Oreck vacuum
cleaner and carefully vacuumed whatever dust I could get to with the
little brush.

Put the screws back in and decided to forget about it.

Eisboch

Chicken. :)

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On Nov 30, 7:45 pm, "Eisboch" wrote:
wrote in message

...



We really count on our systems here to earn a living. We take them
apart often, before they shut down. My SO's desktop is actually harder
than mine to clean as she is also a smoker. We also back up and
format, reload software on a regular basis, just as a precaution. Most
of our computers are dedicated to specific types of software/function
so only the play boxes get bogged down really, like this one.
(Satellite A-135)

You guys motivated me to take this laptop apart and clean it.
It's a three year old HP Pavilion zd8000 that has performed flawlessly since
I got it.

Anyway, I shut it down, carefully turned it upside down and removed all the
accessible screws. No way would it come apart. After several attempts, the
"leave well enough alone" buzzer went off in my head. I removed a couple of
covers (the ram bay and the harddrive bay), hooked up a little computer
vacuum gizmo that came with a hand-held Oreck vacuum cleaner and carefully
vacuumed whatever dust I could get to with the little brush.

Put the screws back in and decided to forget about it.

Eisboch

Personally, I say you probably made a good call. It is so easy to
break little tabs and such, especially if you don't know what you are
looking at. The biggest problem is deciding which screws really hold
that part you are digging at, although like I said, they are getting
easier as "convention" is established.

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"D.Duck" wrote in message
...

"Eisboch" wrote in message
...


Put the screws back in and decided to forget about it.

Eisboch

Chicken. :)


yup. I'll let it die of natural causes.

Eisboch

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On Fri, 30 Nov 2007 19:45:51 -0500, "Eisboch" wrote:


wrote in message
...

We really count on our systems here to earn a living. We take them
apart often, before they shut down. My SO's desktop is actually harder
than mine to clean as she is also a smoker. We also back up and
format, reload software on a regular basis, just as a precaution. Most
of our computers are dedicated to specific types of software/function
so only the play boxes get bogged down really, like this one.
(Satellite A-135)

You guys motivated me to take this laptop apart and clean it.
It's a three year old HP Pavilion zd8000 that has performed flawlessly since
I got it.

Anyway, I shut it down, carefully turned it upside down and removed all the
accessible screws. No way would it come apart. After several attempts, the
"leave well enough alone" buzzer went off in my head. I removed a couple of
covers (the ram bay and the harddrive bay), hooked up a little computer
vacuum gizmo that came with a hand-held Oreck vacuum cleaner and carefully
vacuumed whatever dust I could get to with the little brush.

Put the screws back in and decided to forget about it.

Eisboch

http://h10032.www1.hp.com/ctg/Manual/c00291986.pdf

Let's see if you can resist it.

--Vic

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"Vic Smith" wrote in message
...

On Fri, 30 Nov 2007 19:45:51 -0500, "Eisboch" wrote:

Put the screws back in and decided to forget about it.

Eisboch

http://h10032.www1.hp.com/ctg/Manual/c00291986.pdf

Let's see if you can resist it.

--Vic



Thanks a bunch.

I'll give it a shot someday when I have extra patience.

It's hard to believe that 30 something years ago I could take a Mod 28
Teletype machine completely apart, down to each individual part and then put
it back together and it would work.

Of course back then I could actually *see* what I was doing.

Eisboch

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On Fri, 30 Nov 2007 18:29:29 -0500, "Eisboch" wrote:


"Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message
.. .
On Fri, 30 Nov 2007 10:26:30 -0800 (PST), wrote:

On Nov 30, 12:55 pm, wrote:
On Fri, 30 Nov 2007 07:47:43 -0500, HK wrote:
I like newman's tomato sauces. Not much of a salsa fan.

I think the best salsa is what you make yourself from fresh peppers,
onions and tomatoes. That bottled stuff always tasted like ketchup and
chili powder to me.

I agree. The stuff in jars is full of salt for flavor, instead of the
flavor of fresh veggies, and it's pulverized into a slurry!

You haven't tried Newman's or Imus then.

Try them sometime - they are pricey, but worth it.

And both, I think, donate the profits to charity.

Yes they do - all profits in fact.

Years ago when I was still active in EMS education, I used to do all
the CPR training for The Hole In The Wall camp in Eastford. I was
invited to one of their "affairs" for volunteers and met both Paul
Newman and Joanne Woodward. Great, down to earth types - very easy to
approach and talk to.

The Imus Ranch stuff has generated a lot of negative press, but there
was a local kid who went and came back a very changed kid - she really
enjoyed the ranch and learned a lot while she was there. Her mother
told Mrs. Wave that the one week experience changed her view on the
world.

Which is good.

The Great OS Upodate
 

On Fri, 30 Nov 2007 19:45:51 -0500, "Eisboch" wrote:


wrote in message
...

We really count on our systems here to earn a living. We take them
apart often, before they shut down. My SO's desktop is actually harder
than mine to clean as she is also a smoker. We also back up and
format, reload software on a regular basis, just as a precaution. Most
of our computers are dedicated to specific types of software/function
so only the play boxes get bogged down really, like this one.
(Satellite A-135)

You guys motivated me to take this laptop apart and clean it.
It's a three year old HP Pavilion zd8000 that has performed flawlessly since
I got it.

Anyway, I shut it down, carefully turned it upside down and removed all the
accessible screws. No way would it come apart. After several attempts, the
"leave well enough alone" buzzer went off in my head. I removed a couple of
covers (the ram bay and the harddrive bay), hooked up a little computer
vacuum gizmo that came with a hand-held Oreck vacuum cleaner and carefully
vacuumed whatever dust I could get to with the little brush.

Put the screws back in and decided to forget about it.

I could tell you a story.... :)

The Great OS Upodate
 

On Fri, 30 Nov 2007 20:29:05 -0500, "Eisboch" wrote:


"Vic Smith" wrote in message
.. .

On Fri, 30 Nov 2007 19:45:51 -0500, "Eisboch" wrote:

Put the screws back in and decided to forget about it.

Eisboch

http://h10032.www1.hp.com/ctg/Manual/c00291986.pdf

Let's see if you can resist it.

Thanks a bunch.

I'll give it a shot someday when I have extra patience.

It's hard to believe that 30 something years ago I could take a Mod 28
Teletype machine completely apart, down to each individual part and then put
it back together and it would work.

Of course back then I could actually *see* what I was doing.

I was just going to say that.

Close work is not something I can do much of anymore without an
"assist".

The Great OS Upodate
 

HK wrote:


Since my copy of XP Pro was sent to me as a gift from MS, I am not
concerned about its legitimacy.

It wasn't a "gift", narcissist. Anyone could order one at the time. I
did. You should remember that since you posted the link. Still got the
bobble head and the chewing gum that came with it?

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"Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message
...

The Imus Ranch stuff has generated a lot of negative press, but there
was a local kid who went and came back a very changed kid - she really
enjoyed the ranch and learned a lot while she was there. Her mother
told Mrs. Wave that the one week experience changed her view on the
world.

Which is good.



I don't think the Imus Ranch has ever been seriously questioned, although a
couple of ambitious journalists tried to create a controversy. Their
"questionable activity" theories were quickly proven to be BS.

Imus's problem was his "Ho" comment, which also was completely blown out of
proportion IMO.

He has changed from his old, obnoxious "shock jock" behavior of the 80's and
90's and has become a serious political interviewer/commentator in an
entertaining way. I look forward to listening/watching again.

Eisboch

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HK wrote:
Just finished the install of XP Pro on my aging laptop, which had been
running Win2k.

Everything seems nominal. Between the MS and IBM-Lenovo update sites,
all the hardware was recognized and XP is running properly. Installed
OFfice 2003 and it also is running properly.

Just for grins, I hooked the laptop up to my network via wireless and
just transferred a large file from the desktop hard drive to the laptop
hard drive.


Wow!

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On Sat, 01 Dec 2007 01:39:11 GMT, Short Wave Sportfishing
wrote:

On Fri, 30 Nov 2007 20:29:05 -0500, "Eisboch" wrote:


"Vic Smith" wrote in message
. ..

On Fri, 30 Nov 2007 19:45:51 -0500, "Eisboch" wrote:

Put the screws back in and decided to forget about it.

Eisboch

http://h10032.www1.hp.com/ctg/Manual/c00291986.pdf

Let's see if you can resist it.

Thanks a bunch.

I'll give it a shot someday when I have extra patience.

It's hard to believe that 30 something years ago I could take a Mod 28
Teletype machine completely apart, down to each individual part and then put
it back together and it would work.

Of course back then I could actually *see* what I was doing.

I was just going to say that.

Close work is not something I can do much of anymore without an
"assist".

I've got one of those big lighted magnifiers on an articulated arm,
and it works well, but it's clumsy.
Though I don't need glasses to drive, I've even considered Lasik for
the close stuff. Tired of using a magnifying glass and flashlight to
"read the fine print."
But I'm not there yet. There's just something about having somebody
cut my eyeballs that doesn't set right with me.

--Vic

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On Fri, 30 Nov 2007 19:45:51 -0500, Eisboch wrote:


Put the screws back in and decided to forget about it.

Without instructions, disassembling a laptop is a lot like a Chinese
puzzle box. However, Google is your friend. This might help.

http://www.drtweeker.com/how-to-fix-...otebooklaptop-
zd8230uszd8000-series

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wrote in message
...
On Fri, 30 Nov 2007 19:45:51 -0500, Eisboch wrote:


Put the screws back in and decided to forget about it.

Without instructions, disassembling a laptop is a lot like a Chinese
puzzle box. However, Google is your friend. This might help.

http://www.drtweeker.com/how-to-fix-...otebooklaptop-
zd8230uszd8000-series


Thanks. Mine hasn't shut down because of an overheat condition ( I assume
it does) but it has always run "hot". I really like this computer ... it's
fast and has a great wide screen display.

I think I'll take it down to the geek squad at Best Buy and have them clean
the internals.

Eisboch