| Page 1 of 2 | 1 | 2 |
|
|
Speaking of boats for the middle class.
I was wondering if there are any stats on how long people actually
keep their boat. Like if they buy a new runabout or cuddie etc. how long do they actually keep it, before selling it or trading it in for a new model. some people keep cars a year then trade for new, others buy new and run the wheels off it. I've never bought a brand new boat in my life and really don't plan on it. My two boats are 1983 and 1977. Both in very good shape and will be keeping them for quite a while. Does anyone know what is the average trade off or average length of ownership is for boats? |
Speaking of boats for the middle class.
Tim wrote:
I was wondering if there are any stats on how long people actually keep their boat. Like if they buy a new runabout or cuddie etc. how long do they actually keep it, before selling it or trading it in for a new model. some people keep cars a year then trade for new, others buy new and run the wheels off it. I've never bought a brand new boat in my life and really don't plan on it. My two boats are 1983 and 1977. Both in very good shape and will be keeping them for quite a while. Does anyone know what is the average trade off or average length of ownership is for boats? MY GUESS is first time boat buyers either trade up or to a different model or get out of boating very quickly. I have purchased 3 used and 2 new boats. I believe used is a much better way to do it. Let someone else take the 20% hit. New boat smell just isn't worth that much. |
Speaking of boats for the middle class.
On Nov 28, 8:47�am, Tim wrote:
I was wondering if there are any stats on how long people actually keep their boat. Like if they buy a new runabout or cuddie etc. how long do they actually keep it, before selling it or trading it in for a new model. some people keep cars a year then trade for new, others buy new and run the wheels off it. I've never bought a brand new boat in my life and really don't plan on it. My two boats are 1983 and 1977. Both in very good shape and will be keeping them for quite a while. Does anyone know what is the average trade off or �average length of ownership is for boats? Small boats probably turn over pretty quickly. Two-foot-itis is more prevalent in boats under 30 feet or so than with larger models. That said, I've had my boat since the early 90's and among our circle of friends we are the only couple who haven't traded boats at least once and more commonly twice during that same time frame- and most of the people we know from the club,etc, have 30-50 foot boats. So they do turn over, but nowhere nearly as rapidly as people churn through a succession of cars or trucks. |
Speaking of boats for the middle class.
On Wed, 28 Nov 07, Tim wrote:
I was wondering if there are any stats on how long people actually keep their boat. I guess a stats guy would call me an outlier. And I can't really recall the number of boats I've bought and sold over the years. But I don't think I've kept one less than about 5 years. And, among others, I still have a 19' outboard I bought new (factory ordered in fact) in 1971 and a 6hp Evinrude my dad bought in 1968 (I inherited). Rick |
Speaking of boats for the middle class.
Chuck Gould wrote: Small boats probably turn over pretty quickly. Two-foot-itis is more prevalent in boats under 30 feet or so than with larger models. I'd say thats right, Chuck. I bought my 83 Chriscraft 169 because the boat was in well maintained shape and the price was right. when I took it out the next eyar I found out it was a bit cramped for my wife, daughter and myself. Oh it's a fun little boat, and I still enjoy taking it out occasionally, especially for a quick trip out to the local smaller lakes, but because of it's smaller deminsions, that'swhen I decided to move up to the 23' Marquis Cuddie. It's a lot more boat, and still well maintained and was priced very reasonable. But it uses a lot more fuel. Room and ride is still a decent trade off for the economy, though. But I'd really like to get up to a 27+ footer again, but then again trailerability becomes a problem for cruisers, plus at this stage the fuel expenses are prohibitive. But yes, I think that most people start out small then for reasons I've stated will move up to larger rather quickly. |
Speaking of boats for the middle class.
Reginald P. Smithers III wrote: MY GUESS is first time boat buyers either trade up or to a different model or get out of boating very quickly. I have purchased 3 used and 2 new boats. I believe used is a much better way to do it. Let someone else take the 20% hit. New boat smell just isn't worth that much. Yes, I would think that for middle classers that the used market would be a better value. 20% hit? I would think that the spread would be greater than that, but then again, I really don't know. I haven't priced brand new, and compared with a year or two older models |
Speaking of boats for the middle class.
"Tim" wrote in message ... Chuck Gould wrote: Small boats probably turn over pretty quickly. Two-foot-itis is more prevalent in boats under 30 feet or so than with larger models. I'd say thats right, Chuck. I bought my 83 Chriscraft 169 because the boat was in well maintained shape and the price was right. when I took it out the next eyar I found out it was a bit cramped for my wife, daughter and myself. Oh it's a fun little boat, and I still enjoy taking it out occasionally, especially for a quick trip out to the local smaller lakes, but because of it's smaller deminsions, that'swhen I decided to move up to the 23' Marquis Cuddie. It's a lot more boat, and still well maintained and was priced very reasonable. But it uses a lot more fuel. Room and ride is still a decent trade off for the economy, though. But I'd really like to get up to a 27+ footer again, but then again trailerability becomes a problem for cruisers, plus at this stage the fuel expenses are prohibitive. But yes, I think that most people start out small then for reasons I've stated will move up to larger rather quickly. The previous boat I bought new. But was a 14' aluminum boat and I wanted a deep transom model, so ordered it new. Was about $2100 out the door with a new Mariner 15 hp longshaft. 1986. The boat I have now was 4 years old when I bought it in 1995. Is also aluminum, but was $26k in 1991. Have no plans to trade this one. Did replace the engine 2 years ago. Previous boats were used also. |
Speaking of boats for the middle class.
On Wed, 28 Nov 2007 08:47:44 -0800 (PST), Tim
wrote: I was wondering if there are any stats on how long people actually keep their boat. Like if they buy a new runabout or cuddie etc. how long do they actually keep it, before selling it or trading it in for a new model. Good question. For me, I average about, roughly off the top of my head, 6 years on a boat. The longest I've owned one is my Ranger CC - that's going on 8 years this Spring and will probably be the one that I will keep until I don't need a boat anymore. The Princecraft I had for two and a half years before I sold it to Don is the shortest. I suspect that Chuck is right on this one - for folks under 30 feet, it's often a case of two foot bigger disease. Over that, it's a different ball game - if they trade up, it's usually for something 10 or more feet bigger, but they tend to stay in their boats longer than 10 years at a time. I was reading a while back that folks in the mega yacht world usually have them for a purpose - as in to travel around the world or use them as a floating condiminium for a specific purpose, then sell them. Once they have achieved their purpose, that's it - sold. |
Speaking of boats for the middle class.
Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
On Wed, 28 Nov 2007 08:47:44 -0800 (PST), Tim wrote: I was wondering if there are any stats on how long people actually keep their boat. Like if they buy a new runabout or cuddie etc. how long do they actually keep it, before selling it or trading it in for a new model. Good question. For me, I average about, roughly off the top of my head, 6 years on a boat. The longest I've owned one is my Ranger CC - that's going on 8 years this Spring and will probably be the one that I will keep until I don't need a boat anymore. The Princecraft I had for two and a half years before I sold it to Don is the shortest. I suspect that Chuck is right on this one - for folks under 30 feet, it's often a case of two foot bigger disease. Over that, it's a different ball game - if they trade up, it's usually for something 10 or more feet bigger, but they tend to stay in their boats longer than 10 years at a time. I was reading a while back that folks in the mega yacht world usually have them for a purpose - as in to travel around the world or use them as a floating condiminium for a specific purpose, then sell them. Once they have achieved their purpose, that's it - sold. I average three to four years, max. I downsized my fishing boat the last go-around, and I'm glad I did. For me, it's the perfect size for fishing the bay, quick cleanup and ease of launching and retrieval. |
Speaking of boats for the middle class.
On Wed, 28 Nov 2007 19:52:27 GMT, Short Wave Sportfishing
wrote: On Wed, 28 Nov 2007 08:47:44 -0800 (PST), Tim wrote: I was wondering if there are any stats on how long people actually keep their boat. Like if they buy a new runabout or cuddie etc. how long do they actually keep it, before selling it or trading it in for a new model. Good question. For me, I average about, roughly off the top of my head, 6 years on a boat. The longest I've owned one is my Ranger CC - that's going on 8 years this Spring and will probably be the one that I will keep until I don't need a boat anymore. The Princecraft I had for two and a half years before I sold it to Don is the shortest. I suspect that Chuck is right on this one - for folks under 30 feet, it's often a case of two foot bigger disease. Over that, it's a different ball game - if they trade up, it's usually for something 10 or more feet bigger, but they tend to stay in their boats longer than 10 years at a time. I was reading a while back that folks in the mega yacht world usually have them for a purpose - as in to travel around the world or use them as a floating condiminium for a specific purpose, then sell them. Once they have achieved their purpose, that's it - sold. Ya'll are forgetting the 3 or 4 feet smaller crowd! -- John H |
Speaking of boats for the middle class.
On Wed, 28 Nov 2007 09:15:23 -0800 (PST), Chuck Gould
wrote: On Nov 28, 8:47?am, Tim wrote: I was wondering if there are any stats on how long people actually keep their boat. Like if they buy a new runabout or cuddie etc. how long do they actually keep it, before selling it or trading it in for a new model. some people keep cars a year then trade for new, others buy new and run the wheels off it. I've never bought a brand new boat in my life and really don't plan on it. My two boats are 1983 and 1977. Both in very good shape and will be keeping them for quite a while. Does anyone know what is the average trade off or ?average length of ownership is for boats? I can only give the experience of my family: Dad: 1. Bought a 16 ft aluminium boat in early 1960s with an evinrude electric shift outboard. 2. Replaced that in 1972 with a Glastron 18 ft. tri-hull with 6 cyl. Mercruiser IO. (10 to 12 years?) 3. Sold Glastron to my brother and bought a Crown 20 ft bowrider with 8 Cyl. Mercruiser in about 1983. (11 years) 4. Somewhere in there while not getting rid of the above he also owned a small cabin cruiser for a few years - probably around 1976 to about 1980. (3 to 4 years?) 5. He also owned a pontoon boat with a 75 HP outboard from about 1980 to 1988. (7 to 8 years) 6. He gave the Crown to my sister when he became to ill to use it in 1993. (10 years) Brother: 1. Bought the 1972 Glastron from dad in 1982. Sold it last year. Hasn't replaced it yet. (24 years. In the family for 34 years) Sister 1: 1. Was given the Crown in 1993. Still owns it and it is still very pretty and runs well and she wouldn't part with it. (14 years. In the family for 24 years) Sister 2: 1. Bought a small Glastron bowrider with outboard in late 1980s to early 1990s. 2. Sold Glastron and bought a 18 foot Crownline bowrider with 6 cyl. Mercruiser IO in 2000. (10 years or so for the Glastron) (7 years so far for the Crownline) Me: 1. Bought a 18 ft. 1990 cuddy cabin with an OMC IO in August 2004. It was washed down the Allegheny and Ohio river in September of that year. I had used it 3 short times. It was totaled after fining its way about 80 miles and over 4 locks before being washed up on some wooded shore just up from Wheeling WV. (1.5 months ;-0) 2. Bought a 1995 Sea Pro Citation 1900 cuddy cabin with a small Mercruiser IO in the fall of 2004 and still have it. (3 years so far) All in all not a lot of buying and selling or trading up in my family and in my local experience that is the norm around here. Might be different in coastal areas or in areas where a lot of the local economy is water recreation based (i.e. big lake areas, etc.). Dave Hall (Forgot that I bought a 12 ft jonboat with 5 hp Wards outboard in 1969 and still own it - 38 years) Small boats probably turn over pretty quickly. Two-foot-itis is more prevalent in boats under 30 feet or so than with larger models. That said, I've had my boat since the early 90's and among our circle of friends we are the only couple who haven't traded boats at least once and more commonly twice during that same time frame- and most of the people we know from the club,etc, have 30-50 foot boats. So they do turn over, but nowhere nearly as rapidly as people churn through a succession of cars or trucks. |
Speaking of boats for the middle class.
On Wed, 28 Nov 07, John H wrote:
Ya'll are forgetting the 3 or 4 feet smaller crowd! Good point! Over the years, I've been up and down and in between. 42' is the largest boat I've owned, for about 15 years. Normal maintenance was time consuming enough but hurricane season is a real bitch. It takes 6 hours to motor a sailboat around back to my hurricane hole (and that much again to bring it back later). One year we had 5 hurricane scares. That's a bit too much time to take off for someone who has to work for a living. And you can't schedule that time off ahead of time either. You just drop everything and go. So I sold the boat and decided trailerable boats would be the way to go for now. Once I retire and have time to burn, I'll be shopping for my ol' Creekmore 42' again or one similar to it ;-) Rick |
Speaking of boats for the middle class.
JimH wrote:
"Tim" wrote in message ... I was wondering if there are any stats on how long people actually keep their boat. Like if they buy a new runabout or cuddie etc. how long do they actually keep it, before selling it or trading it in for a new model. some people keep cars a year then trade for new, others buy new and run the wheels off it. I've never bought a brand new boat in my life and really don't plan on it. My two boats are 1983 and 1977. Both in very good shape and will be keeping them for quite a while. Does anyone know what is the average trade off or average length of ownership is for boats? I would guess I change boats every 5-7 years. I have only purchased 1 new boat and that was only because the dealership was going out of business and I got a great deal on it. My 20 foot runabout is being gifted to my son when he is actually able to take ownership and advantage of using it. I received a call from the marina today that the outdrive maintenance has been completed and the boat is ready to be picked up. They found some additional problems with the OD.....which they repaired. We are picking it up over the weekend to be shrink wrapped and winter stored at another site (cheaper). Having never owned a boat with an I/O, my info is obtained vicariously. From what I have read here and elsewhere over the years, it seems to be that these drives are nothing but continuing maintenance and trouble. Yet the technology in them, really, is many decades old. Do you think they'd be less problematical if their manufacturers concentrated on improving the quality of the parts they contain and worried less about new and sometimes dubious features? |
Speaking of boats for the middle class.
On Wed, 28 Nov 07, HK wrote:
Do you think they'd be less problematical if their manufacturers concentrated on improving the quality of the parts they contain and worried less about new and sometimes dubious features? I've owned both OMC and Mercruiser sterndrives and I think parts quality is fine in both. And I think the general idea of sterndrive is good. But whoever came up with the original design just wasn't thinking. For instance, why pump water up through the outdrive and through the transom? An inboard pumps it up through the bottom, a sterndrive could do the same. There's a couple of other design problem too but basically they made the whole thing to complex when it didn't really have to be. Rick |
Speaking of boats for the middle class.
HK wrote:
JimH wrote: "Tim" wrote in message ... I was wondering if there are any stats on how long people actually keep their boat. Like if they buy a new runabout or cuddie etc. how long do they actually keep it, before selling it or trading it in for a new model. some people keep cars a year then trade for new, others buy new and run the wheels off it. I've never bought a brand new boat in my life and really don't plan on it. My two boats are 1983 and 1977. Both in very good shape and will be keeping them for quite a while. Does anyone know what is the average trade off or average length of ownership is for boats? I would guess I change boats every 5-7 years. I have only purchased 1 new boat and that was only because the dealership was going out of business and I got a great deal on it. My 20 foot runabout is being gifted to my son when he is actually able to take ownership and advantage of using it. I received a call from the marina today that the outdrive maintenance has been completed and the boat is ready to be picked up. They found some additional problems with the OD.....which they repaired. We are picking it up over the weekend to be shrink wrapped and winter stored at another site (cheaper). Having never owned a boat with an I/O, my info is obtained vicariously. From what I have read here and elsewhere over the years, it seems to be that these drives are nothing but continuing maintenance and trouble. Yet the technology in them, really, is many decades old. Do you think they'd be less problematical if their manufacturers concentrated on improving the quality of the parts they contain and worried less about new and sometimes dubious features? Those who keep their boat in salt water have more problems with I/O. I have never had any problem with any of the drives on my boats, either O/B or I/O. |
Speaking of boats for the middle class.
JimH wrote:
"HK" wrote in message . .. JimH wrote: "Tim" wrote in message ... I was wondering if there are any stats on how long people actually keep their boat. Like if they buy a new runabout or cuddie etc. how long do they actually keep it, before selling it or trading it in for a new model. some people keep cars a year then trade for new, others buy new and run the wheels off it. I've never bought a brand new boat in my life and really don't plan on it. My two boats are 1983 and 1977. Both in very good shape and will be keeping them for quite a while. Does anyone know what is the average trade off or average length of ownership is for boats? I would guess I change boats every 5-7 years. I have only purchased 1 new boat and that was only because the dealership was going out of business and I got a great deal on it. My 20 foot runabout is being gifted to my son when he is actually able to take ownership and advantage of using it. I received a call from the marina today that the outdrive maintenance has been completed and the boat is ready to be picked up. They found some additional problems with the OD.....which they repaired. We are picking it up over the weekend to be shrink wrapped and winter stored at another site (cheaper). Having never owned a boat with an I/O, my info is obtained vicariously. From what I have read here and elsewhere over the years, it seems to be that these drives are nothing but continuing maintenance and trouble. Yet the technology in them, really, is many decades old. Do you think they'd be less problematical if their manufacturers concentrated on improving the quality of the parts they contain and worried less about new and sometimes dubious features? Regarding mechanical problems, I have not had any significant problems with the outdrives on my boats. Having said that...........I will never purchase another boat with an outdrive as the upkeep is more demanding than an outboard. Except for the boot on the OD, what additional upkeep do you have? |
Speaking of boats for the middle class.
Reginald P. Smithers III wrote:
HK wrote: JimH wrote: "Tim" wrote in message ... I was wondering if there are any stats on how long people actually keep their boat. Like if they buy a new runabout or cuddie etc. how long do they actually keep it, before selling it or trading it in for a new model. some people keep cars a year then trade for new, others buy new and run the wheels off it. I've never bought a brand new boat in my life and really don't plan on it. My two boats are 1983 and 1977. Both in very good shape and will be keeping them for quite a while. Does anyone know what is the average trade off or average length of ownership is for boats? I would guess I change boats every 5-7 years. I have only purchased 1 new boat and that was only because the dealership was going out of business and I got a great deal on it. My 20 foot runabout is being gifted to my son when he is actually able to take ownership and advantage of using it. I received a call from the marina today that the outdrive maintenance has been completed and the boat is ready to be picked up. They found some additional problems with the OD.....which they repaired. We are picking it up over the weekend to be shrink wrapped and winter stored at another site (cheaper). Having never owned a boat with an I/O, my info is obtained vicariously. From what I have read here and elsewhere over the years, it seems to be that these drives are nothing but continuing maintenance and trouble. Yet the technology in them, really, is many decades old. Do you think they'd be less problematical if their manufacturers concentrated on improving the quality of the parts they contain and worried less about new and sometimes dubious features? Those who keep their boat in salt water have more problems with I/O. I have never had any problem with any of the drives on my boats, either O/B or I/O. *snicker* Yeah, well, since the only boats you have are bathtub toys... |
Speaking of boats for the middle class.
HK wrote:
I have never had any problem with any of the drives on my boats, either O/B or I/O. *snicker* Yeah, well, since the only boats you have are bathtub toys... Harry, You better get your act together and stop these personal attacks or JimH will get all over you. |
Speaking of boats for the middle class.
Reginald P. Smithers III wrote:
HK wrote: I have never had any problem with any of the drives on my boats, either O/B or I/O. *snicker* Yeah, well, since the only boats you have are bathtub toys... Harry, You better get your act together and stop these personal attacks or JimH will get all over you. (Putting on my best Herring-Smithers suit of false innocence...) What attacks? |
Speaking of boats for the middle class.
HK wrote:
Reginald P. Smithers III wrote: HK wrote: I have never had any problem with any of the drives on my boats, either O/B or I/O. *snicker* Yeah, well, since the only boats you have are bathtub toys... Harry, You better get your act together and stop these personal attacks or JimH will get all over you. (Putting on my best Herring-Smithers suit of false innocence...) What attacks? Oh, so you really aren't innocent and have been stirring up trouble all day. Good, the first step is to admit your problem. |
Speaking of boats for the middle class.
|
Speaking of boats for the middle class.
I bought my MaXum 2500 new in 1990. First boat. Only 'new' conveyance
I've ever bought. I bought the biggest boat I could put on a trailer without getting totally ridiculous, so I wouldn't have to trade up soon, and knew when I bought it I would be happy with it for years. 17 years, and still satisfied with what I have. Just perfect for the Sound and San Juans. No 2-foot-itis here, and, no slip fees. JR Tim wrote: I was wondering if there are any stats on how long people actually keep their boat. Like if they buy a new runabout or cuddie etc. how long do they actually keep it, before selling it or trading it in for a new model. some people keep cars a year then trade for new, others buy new and run the wheels off it. I've never bought a brand new boat in my life and really don't plan on it. My two boats are 1983 and 1977. Both in very good shape and will be keeping them for quite a while. Does anyone know what is the average trade off or average length of ownership is for boats? -- -------------------------------------------------------------- Home Page: http://www.seanet.com/~jasonrnorth |
Speaking of boats for the middle class.
WaIIy wrote:
On Wed, 28 Nov 2007 18:41:34 -0500, " JimH" ask wrote: Regarding mechanical problems, I have not had any significant problems with the outdrives on my boats. Having said that...........I will never purchase another boat with an outdrive as the upkeep is more demanding than an outboard. That's why you need a Volvo I/O. I really can't figure out what is the additional upkeep or why a Volvo would have less than a Merc. |
Speaking of boats for the middle class.
JimH wrote:
"Reginald P. Smithers III" wrote in message . .. JimH wrote: "HK" wrote in message . .. JimH wrote: "Tim" wrote in message ... I was wondering if there are any stats on how long people actually keep their boat. Like if they buy a new runabout or cuddie etc. how long do they actually keep it, before selling it or trading it in for a new model. some people keep cars a year then trade for new, others buy new and run the wheels off it. I've never bought a brand new boat in my life and really don't plan on it. My two boats are 1983 and 1977. Both in very good shape and will be keeping them for quite a while. Does anyone know what is the average trade off or average length of ownership is for boats? I would guess I change boats every 5-7 years. I have only purchased 1 new boat and that was only because the dealership was going out of business and I got a great deal on it. My 20 foot runabout is being gifted to my son when he is actually able to take ownership and advantage of using it. I received a call from the marina today that the outdrive maintenance has been completed and the boat is ready to be picked up. They found some additional problems with the OD.....which they repaired. We are picking it up over the weekend to be shrink wrapped and winter stored at another site (cheaper). Having never owned a boat with an I/O, my info is obtained vicariously. From what I have read here and elsewhere over the years, it seems to be that these drives are nothing but continuing maintenance and trouble. Yet the technology in them, really, is many decades old. Do you think they'd be less problematical if their manufacturers concentrated on improving the quality of the parts they contain and worried less about new and sometimes dubious features? Regarding mechanical problems, I have not had any significant problems with the outdrives on my boats. Having said that...........I will never purchase another boat with an outdrive as the upkeep is more demanding than an outboard. Except for the boot on the OD, what additional upkeep do you have? I thought you may know this but here goes anyway: The I/O stays submerged during the entire season. An outboard is in the water only when it is being used as it can be raised out of the water when docked. As a result the anodes need replacing more often and most significantly the lower unit on the I/O takes a beating. It also takes on a significant amount of marine growth with can result in reduced performance. Personally I clean the I/O whenever the water is warm enough to jump in. It is amazing the amount of marine growth that reoccurs within only a few weeks if not attended to. I have never had a problem with algea growth because I use Outdrive Anti-Fouling paint. It really makes a hell of a difference and is cheap and easy to do yourself. I look at the zincs every month or so, but I am lucky because my marina does not seem to have a stray current leak, because they barely look used when I replace them every 3 years. The first year, I thought this meant my zincs were not working, but I was assured they are working correctly. I was told if they weren't i would see pitting on the drive itself, which I don't. Since they are so cheap, I replace the zincs when i have the marina pulls the outdrive to do a complete service on the outdrive. |
Speaking of boats for the middle class.
JimH wrote:
"Reginald P. Smithers III" wrote in message . .. WaIIy wrote: On Wed, 28 Nov 2007 18:41:34 -0500, " JimH" ask wrote: Regarding mechanical problems, I have not had any significant problems with the outdrives on my boats. Having said that...........I will never purchase another boat with an outdrive as the upkeep is more demanding than an outboard. That's why you need a Volvo I/O. I really can't figure out what is the additional upkeep or why a Volvo would have less than a Merc. One less boot. BTW: I do have a Volvo. ;-) So do I, a DuoProp. I think they are great, but I never thought of them as demanding less service than a Merc. |
Speaking of boats for the middle class.
JimH wrote:
"Reginald P. Smithers III" wrote in message . .. JimH wrote: "Reginald P. Smithers III" wrote in message . .. JimH wrote: "HK" wrote in message . .. JimH wrote: "Tim" wrote in message ... I was wondering if there are any stats on how long people actually keep their boat. Like if they buy a new runabout or cuddie etc. how long do they actually keep it, before selling it or trading it in for a new model. some people keep cars a year then trade for new, others buy new and run the wheels off it. I've never bought a brand new boat in my life and really don't plan on it. My two boats are 1983 and 1977. Both in very good shape and will be keeping them for quite a while. Does anyone know what is the average trade off or average length of ownership is for boats? I would guess I change boats every 5-7 years. I have only purchased 1 new boat and that was only because the dealership was going out of business and I got a great deal on it. My 20 foot runabout is being gifted to my son when he is actually able to take ownership and advantage of using it. I received a call from the marina today that the outdrive maintenance has been completed and the boat is ready to be picked up. They found some additional problems with the OD.....which they repaired. We are picking it up over the weekend to be shrink wrapped and winter stored at another site (cheaper). Having never owned a boat with an I/O, my info is obtained vicariously. From what I have read here and elsewhere over the years, it seems to be that these drives are nothing but continuing maintenance and trouble. Yet the technology in them, really, is many decades old. Do you think they'd be less problematical if their manufacturers concentrated on improving the quality of the parts they contain and worried less about new and sometimes dubious features? Regarding mechanical problems, I have not had any significant problems with the outdrives on my boats. Having said that...........I will never purchase another boat with an outdrive as the upkeep is more demanding than an outboard. Except for the boot on the OD, what additional upkeep do you have? I thought you may know this but here goes anyway: The I/O stays submerged during the entire season. An outboard is in the water only when it is being used as it can be raised out of the water when docked. As a result the anodes need replacing more often and most significantly the lower unit on the I/O takes a beating. It also takes on a significant amount of marine growth with can result in reduced performance. Personally I clean the I/O whenever the water is warm enough to jump in. It is amazing the amount of marine growth that reoccurs within only a few weeks if not attended to. I have never had a problem with algea growth because I use Outdrive Anti-Fouling paint. It really makes a hell of a difference and is cheap and easy to do yourself. I look at the zincs every month or so, but I am lucky because my marina does not seem to have a stray current leak, because they barely look used when I replace them every 3 years. The first year, I thought this meant my zincs were not working, but I was assured they are working correctly. I was told if they weren't i would see pitting on the drive itself, which I don't. Since they are so cheap, I replace the zincs when i have the marina pulls the outdrive to do a complete service on the outdrive. You seem to have the perfect boat that never has any sort of problems Reg. ;-) Even with an anti-fouling paint you will get algae growth. BTW: One additional maintenance item with I/O's........alignments. Inboards or outboards are the only way to go. When all you have is an imaginary boat, like Reggie has, you never have mechanical problems. Serious question. I have no ownership experience with these modern, car or truck gas engines in boats. What RPMS do you typically run them at? My SUV V8 loafs along at 2000 rpm or so at highway speeds, but you have to be running at what, twice that, in an I/O planing boat. What steps are taken to build up these engines to take that sort of constant high rpm stress? |
Speaking of boats for the middle class.
JimH wrote:
"HK" wrote in message ... JimH wrote: "Reginald P. Smithers III" wrote in message . .. JimH wrote: "Reginald P. Smithers III" wrote in message . .. JimH wrote: "HK" wrote in message . .. JimH wrote: "Tim" wrote in message ... I was wondering if there are any stats on how long people actually keep their boat. Like if they buy a new runabout or cuddie etc. how long do they actually keep it, before selling it or trading it in for a new model. some people keep cars a year then trade for new, others buy new and run the wheels off it. I've never bought a brand new boat in my life and really don't plan on it. My two boats are 1983 and 1977. Both in very good shape and will be keeping them for quite a while. Does anyone know what is the average trade off or average length of ownership is for boats? I would guess I change boats every 5-7 years. I have only purchased 1 new boat and that was only because the dealership was going out of business and I got a great deal on it. My 20 foot runabout is being gifted to my son when he is actually able to take ownership and advantage of using it. I received a call from the marina today that the outdrive maintenance has been completed and the boat is ready to be picked up. They found some additional problems with the OD.....which they repaired. We are picking it up over the weekend to be shrink wrapped and winter stored at another site (cheaper). Having never owned a boat with an I/O, my info is obtained vicariously. From what I have read here and elsewhere over the years, it seems to be that these drives are nothing but continuing maintenance and trouble. Yet the technology in them, really, is many decades old. Do you think they'd be less problematical if their manufacturers concentrated on improving the quality of the parts they contain and worried less about new and sometimes dubious features? Regarding mechanical problems, I have not had any significant problems with the outdrives on my boats. Having said that...........I will never purchase another boat with an outdrive as the upkeep is more demanding than an outboard. Except for the boot on the OD, what additional upkeep do you have? I thought you may know this but here goes anyway: The I/O stays submerged during the entire season. An outboard is in the water only when it is being used as it can be raised out of the water when docked. As a result the anodes need replacing more often and most significantly the lower unit on the I/O takes a beating. It also takes on a significant amount of marine growth with can result in reduced performance. Personally I clean the I/O whenever the water is warm enough to jump in. It is amazing the amount of marine growth that reoccurs within only a few weeks if not attended to. I have never had a problem with algea growth because I use Outdrive Anti-Fouling paint. It really makes a hell of a difference and is cheap and easy to do yourself. I look at the zincs every month or so, but I am lucky because my marina does not seem to have a stray current leak, because they barely look used when I replace them every 3 years. The first year, I thought this meant my zincs were not working, but I was assured they are working correctly. I was told if they weren't i would see pitting on the drive itself, which I don't. Since they are so cheap, I replace the zincs when i have the marina pulls the outdrive to do a complete service on the outdrive. You seem to have the perfect boat that never has any sort of problems Reg. ;-) Even with an anti-fouling paint you will get algae growth. BTW: One additional maintenance item with I/O's........alignments. Inboards or outboards are the only way to go. When all you have is an imaginary boat, like Reggie has, you never have mechanical problems. Serious question. I have no ownership experience with these modern, car or truck gas engines in boats. What RPMS do you typically run them at? Anywhere from 3600 to 4600 rpm. I believe WOT for mine is close to 5100 rpm. Well, that's not much different than how I run my Yamaha 150, though I am usually closer to 4000 rpm at the upper end, because of the almost constant hard chop hereabouts. WOT for me is 6000 rpm. |
Speaking of boats for the middle class.
HK wrote:
JimH wrote: "Reginald P. Smithers III" wrote in message . .. JimH wrote: "Reginald P. Smithers III" wrote in message . .. JimH wrote: "HK" wrote in message . .. JimH wrote: "Tim" wrote in message ... I was wondering if there are any stats on how long people actually keep their boat. Like if they buy a new runabout or cuddie etc. how long do they actually keep it, before selling it or trading it in for a new model. some people keep cars a year then trade for new, others buy new and run the wheels off it. I've never bought a brand new boat in my life and really don't plan on it. My two boats are 1983 and 1977. Both in very good shape and will be keeping them for quite a while. Does anyone know what is the average trade off or average length of ownership is for boats? I would guess I change boats every 5-7 years. I have only purchased 1 new boat and that was only because the dealership was going out of business and I got a great deal on it. My 20 foot runabout is being gifted to my son when he is actually able to take ownership and advantage of using it. I received a call from the marina today that the outdrive maintenance has been completed and the boat is ready to be picked up. They found some additional problems with the OD.....which they repaired. We are picking it up over the weekend to be shrink wrapped and winter stored at another site (cheaper). Having never owned a boat with an I/O, my info is obtained vicariously. From what I have read here and elsewhere over the years, it seems to be that these drives are nothing but continuing maintenance and trouble. Yet the technology in them, really, is many decades old. Do you think they'd be less problematical if their manufacturers concentrated on improving the quality of the parts they contain and worried less about new and sometimes dubious features? Regarding mechanical problems, I have not had any significant problems with the outdrives on my boats. Having said that...........I will never purchase another boat with an outdrive as the upkeep is more demanding than an outboard. Except for the boot on the OD, what additional upkeep do you have? I thought you may know this but here goes anyway: The I/O stays submerged during the entire season. An outboard is in the water only when it is being used as it can be raised out of the water when docked. As a result the anodes need replacing more often and most significantly the lower unit on the I/O takes a beating. It also takes on a significant amount of marine growth with can result in reduced performance. Personally I clean the I/O whenever the water is warm enough to jump in. It is amazing the amount of marine growth that reoccurs within only a few weeks if not attended to. I have never had a problem with algea growth because I use Outdrive Anti-Fouling paint. It really makes a hell of a difference and is cheap and easy to do yourself. I look at the zincs every month or so, but I am lucky because my marina does not seem to have a stray current leak, because they barely look used when I replace them every 3 years. The first year, I thought this meant my zincs were not working, but I was assured they are working correctly. I was told if they weren't i would see pitting on the drive itself, which I don't. Since they are so cheap, I replace the zincs when i have the marina pulls the outdrive to do a complete service on the outdrive. You seem to have the perfect boat that never has any sort of problems Reg. ;-) Even with an anti-fouling paint you will get algae growth. BTW: One additional maintenance item with I/O's........alignments. Inboards or outboards are the only way to go. When all you have is an imaginary boat, like Reggie has, you never have mechanical problems. Serious question. I have no ownership experience with these modern, car or truck gas engines in boats. What RPMS do you typically run them at? My SUV V8 loafs along at 2000 rpm or so at highway speeds, but you have to be running at what, twice that, in an I/O planing boat. What steps are taken to build up these engines to take that sort of constant high rpm stress? It depends upon the boat, but 3200-3500 has always kept my boats on plane. You are correct, I really have been lucky, and have never had a major problem, but I do keep up with the mfg'er recommended schedule. Do you have many mechanical problems with your boats? |
Speaking of boats for the middle class.
Reginald P. Smithers III wrote:
Do you have many mechanical problems with your boats? Not really, since I sell them off after three to four years. |
Speaking of boats for the middle class.
JimH wrote:
"Reginald P. Smithers III" wrote in message . .. HK wrote: JimH wrote: "Reginald P. Smithers III" wrote in message . .. JimH wrote: "Reginald P. Smithers III" wrote in message . .. JimH wrote: "HK" wrote in message . .. JimH wrote: "Tim" wrote in message ... I was wondering if there are any stats on how long people actually keep their boat. Like if they buy a new runabout or cuddie etc. how long do they actually keep it, before selling it or trading it in for a new model. some people keep cars a year then trade for new, others buy new and run the wheels off it. I've never bought a brand new boat in my life and really don't plan on it. My two boats are 1983 and 1977. Both in very good shape and will be keeping them for quite a while. Does anyone know what is the average trade off or average length of ownership is for boats? I would guess I change boats every 5-7 years. I have only purchased 1 new boat and that was only because the dealership was going out of business and I got a great deal on it. My 20 foot runabout is being gifted to my son when he is actually able to take ownership and advantage of using it. I received a call from the marina today that the outdrive maintenance has been completed and the boat is ready to be picked up. They found some additional problems with the OD.....which they repaired. We are picking it up over the weekend to be shrink wrapped and winter stored at another site (cheaper). Having never owned a boat with an I/O, my info is obtained vicariously. From what I have read here and elsewhere over the years, it seems to be that these drives are nothing but continuing maintenance and trouble. Yet the technology in them, really, is many decades old. Do you think they'd be less problematical if their manufacturers concentrated on improving the quality of the parts they contain and worried less about new and sometimes dubious features? Regarding mechanical problems, I have not had any significant problems with the outdrives on my boats. Having said that...........I will never purchase another boat with an outdrive as the upkeep is more demanding than an outboard. Except for the boot on the OD, what additional upkeep do you have? I thought you may know this but here goes anyway: The I/O stays submerged during the entire season. An outboard is in the water only when it is being used as it can be raised out of the water when docked. As a result the anodes need replacing more often and most significantly the lower unit on the I/O takes a beating. It also takes on a significant amount of marine growth with can result in reduced performance. Personally I clean the I/O whenever the water is warm enough to jump in. It is amazing the amount of marine growth that reoccurs within only a few weeks if not attended to. I have never had a problem with algea growth because I use Outdrive Anti-Fouling paint. It really makes a hell of a difference and is cheap and easy to do yourself. I look at the zincs every month or so, but I am lucky because my marina does not seem to have a stray current leak, because they barely look used when I replace them every 3 years. The first year, I thought this meant my zincs were not working, but I was assured they are working correctly. I was told if they weren't i would see pitting on the drive itself, which I don't. Since they are so cheap, I replace the zincs when i have the marina pulls the outdrive to do a complete service on the outdrive. You seem to have the perfect boat that never has any sort of problems Reg. ;-) Even with an anti-fouling paint you will get algae growth. BTW: One additional maintenance item with I/O's........alignments. Inboards or outboards are the only way to go. When all you have is an imaginary boat, like Reggie has, you never have mechanical problems. Serious question. I have no ownership experience with these modern, car or truck gas engines in boats. What RPMS do you typically run them at? My SUV V8 loafs along at 2000 rpm or so at highway speeds, but you have to be running at what, twice that, in an I/O planing boat. What steps are taken to build up these engines to take that sort of constant high rpm stress? It depends upon the boat, but 3200-3500 has always kept my boats on plane. You are correct, I really have been lucky, and have never had a major problem, but I do keep up with the mfg'er recommended schedule. Who was talking abut *major* problems Reg? Even if you keep up with PM you can still encounter problems. It is great to know that you never have any. I didn't say I never had problems, I said I never had a major problem that would make me want to pay the additional initial cost of an OB. If I kept my boat in salt water, that would be a completely different story, but in fresh water it would take one hell of lot of MAJOR problems to change to an OB based upon additional maintenance or additional upkeep. I have never had a problem with algea or problems with my zinc being depleted, so that has never been a concern. |
Speaking of boats for the middle class.
HK wrote: Serious question. I have no ownership experience with these modern, car or truck gas engines in boats. What RPMS do you typically run them at? My SUV V8 loafs along at 2000 rpm or so at highway speeds, but you have to be running at what, twice that, in an I/O planing boat. What steps are taken to build up these engines to take that sort of constant high rpm stress? Basicly there's not much difference between the automotive and the marine versions of the engines. With exception that the I/O people will select the heavier built engines that are used in pickup trucks (thicker block webbing and 4 bolt main bering caps, Steel crank shafts) but outside of that not much. Oh, the marine versions use a different cam shaft than automotive and thats only to put the maximum torque in a more suitable rpm range. I run my 3.0 GM 4-cyl. at about 3300 RPM and the 350 GM v-8 at about the same rate. Get up on plane than back it down to maintain the plane. I don't run wide open. except to get out of the hole. But both engines are capable of pulling 4000 rpm safely and sustained |
Speaking of boats for the middle class.
On Nov 29, 7:34 am, " JimH" ask wrote:
"Reginald P. Smithers III" wrote in messagenews:uYmdndhRPb57ntPanZ2dnUVZ_gWdnZ2d@comca st.com... JimH wrote: "HK" wrote in message m... JimH wrote: "Tim" wrote in message ... I was wondering if there are any stats on how long people actually keep their boat. Like if they buy a new runabout or cuddie etc. how long do they actually keep it, before selling it or trading it in for a new model. some people keep cars a year then trade for new, others buy new and run the wheels off it. I've never bought a brand new boat in my life and really don't plan on it. My two boats are 1983 and 1977. Both in very good shape and will be keeping them for quite a while. Does anyone know what is the average trade off or average length of ownership is for boats? I would guess I change boats every 5-7 years. I have only purchased 1 new boat and that was only because the dealership was going out of business and I got a great deal on it. My 20 foot runabout is being gifted to my son when he is actually able to take ownership and advantage of using it. I received a call from the marina today that the outdrive maintenance has been completed and the boat is ready to be picked up. They found some additional problems with the OD.....which they repaired. We are picking it up over the weekend to be shrink wrapped and winter stored at another site (cheaper). Having never owned a boat with an I/O, my info is obtained vicariously. From what I have read here and elsewhere over the years, it seems to be that these drives are nothing but continuing maintenance and trouble. Yet the technology in them, really, is many decades old. Do you think they'd be less problematical if their manufacturers concentrated on improving the quality of the parts they contain and worried less about new and sometimes dubious features? Regarding mechanical problems, I have not had any significant problems with the outdrives on my boats. Having said that...........I will never purchase another boat with an outdrive as the upkeep is more demanding than an outboard. Except for the boot on the OD, what additional upkeep do you have? I thought you may know this but here goes anyway: The I/O stays submerged during the entire season. An outboard is in the water only when it is being used as it can be raised out of the water when docked. As a result the anodes need replacing more often and most significantly the lower unit on the I/O takes a beating. It also takes on a significant amount of marine growth with can result in reduced performance. Personally I clean the I/O whenever the water is warm enough to jump in. It is amazing the amount of marine growth that reoccurs within only a few weeks if not attended to.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - This from the guy that can't even fix his own boat! |
Speaking of boats for the middle class.
On Thu, 29 Nov 07, HK wrote:
What steps are taken to build up these engines to take that sort of constant high rpm stress? Install brass freeze plugs and you're done. I had an OMC once. I bought a short block (chevy) from an auto parts store, they replaced the freeze plugs (they sell a LOT to nautical types), and as far as I know, that engine is still pushing that boat. I sold it maybe 15 years ago. From my experience, it's the drive trains that give most of the problems. Not the engines. Rick |
Speaking of boats for the middle class.
From my experience, it's the drive trains that give most of the problems. Not the engines. Rick I didn't have any problems with my alph1 on the boat with the 3.0, that is, until I hit a stump. The stainless steel prop hub didn't break loose either. Now on my 350 v8 the alpha (228) is having a shift problem, but it could be an adjustment issue. But not sure yet. Anyhow, on the Mercruisers, I would suppose due to popularity, they're are quality after market parts on the market, so even if a person had to replace the whole leg, it's still not a real kick in the wallet. Of course, thats hypothetical ?; |
Speaking of boats for the middle class.
Phantman:
From my experience, it's the drive trains that give most of the problems. Not the engines. On Thu, 29 Nov 07, Tim wrote: I didn't have any problems with my alph1 on the boat with the 3.0, that is, until I hit a stump. I've had only one pair (twins) of Mercruisers and I can't recall specifically now what all went wrong (although I prolly still have the file here somewhere). But it just seems there was always some seal or boot or some such going bad which allowed salt water where it wasn't supposed to be and that's when things would go to hell in a hand basket. These were 4 cyl engines, 120hp each if I recall. They got great mileage. But when those drive units aged, it was always something. Anyhow, on the Mercruisers, I would suppose due to popularity, they're are quality after market parts on the market, so even if a person had to replace the whole leg, it's still not a real kick in the wallet. Yup. Point well taken. Rick |
Speaking of boats for the middle class.
HK wrote:
When all you have is an imaginary boat, like Reggie has, you never have mechanical problems. How can *you* accuse someone of owning an imaginary boat? I'd love to hear your spin on this one. |
Speaking of boats for the middle class.
On Wed, 28 Nov 2007 09:50:08 -0800 (PST), Tim
wrote: 20% hit? I would think that the spread would be greater than that, but then again, I really don't know. I haven't priced brand new, and compared with a year or two older models Depends on the boat and how old it is. 20% after the first year or two is probably in the ballpark. After 5 to 7 years it's closer to 50% for all but the highest quality. |
Speaking of boats for the middle class.
Wayne.B wrote:
On Wed, 28 Nov 2007 09:50:08 -0800 (PST), Tim wrote: 20% hit? I would think that the spread would be greater than that, but then again, I really don't know. I haven't priced brand new, and compared with a year or two older models Depends on the boat and how old it is. 20% after the first year or two is probably in the ballpark. After 5 to 7 years it's closer to 50% for all but the highest quality. Depends on the boat, the demand for the boat, and its condition. I sold my 2003 Parker 25' rig in 2007 for only 10% less than I paid for it. No broker, either. I wasn't hurt by the fact that between 2003 and 2007, Parker raised its price for the same model boat by nearly $20,000. |
Speaking of boats for the middle class.
On Thu, 29 Nov 2007 08:22:15 -0500, HK wrote:
JimH wrote: "Reginald P. Smithers III" wrote in message . .. JimH wrote: "Reginald P. Smithers III" wrote in message . .. JimH wrote: "HK" wrote in message . .. JimH wrote: "Tim" wrote in message ... I was wondering if there are any stats on how long people actually keep their boat. Like if they buy a new runabout or cuddie etc. how long do they actually keep it, before selling it or trading it in for a new model. some people keep cars a year then trade for new, others buy new and run the wheels off it. I've never bought a brand new boat in my life and really don't plan on it. My two boats are 1983 and 1977. Both in very good shape and will be keeping them for quite a while. Does anyone know what is the average trade off or average length of ownership is for boats? I would guess I change boats every 5-7 years. I have only purchased 1 new boat and that was only because the dealership was going out of business and I got a great deal on it. My 20 foot runabout is being gifted to my son when he is actually able to take ownership and advantage of using it. I received a call from the marina today that the outdrive maintenance has been completed and the boat is ready to be picked up. They found some additional problems with the OD.....which they repaired. We are picking it up over the weekend to be shrink wrapped and winter stored at another site (cheaper). Having never owned a boat with an I/O, my info is obtained vicariously. From what I have read here and elsewhere over the years, it seems to be that these drives are nothing but continuing maintenance and trouble. Yet the technology in them, really, is many decades old. Do you think they'd be less problematical if their manufacturers concentrated on improving the quality of the parts they contain and worried less about new and sometimes dubious features? Regarding mechanical problems, I have not had any significant problems with the outdrives on my boats. Having said that...........I will never purchase another boat with an outdrive as the upkeep is more demanding than an outboard. Except for the boot on the OD, what additional upkeep do you have? I thought you may know this but here goes anyway: The I/O stays submerged during the entire season. An outboard is in the water only when it is being used as it can be raised out of the water when docked. As a result the anodes need replacing more often and most significantly the lower unit on the I/O takes a beating. It also takes on a significant amount of marine growth with can result in reduced performance. Personally I clean the I/O whenever the water is warm enough to jump in. It is amazing the amount of marine growth that reoccurs within only a few weeks if not attended to. I have never had a problem with algea growth because I use Outdrive Anti-Fouling paint. It really makes a hell of a difference and is cheap and easy to do yourself. I look at the zincs every month or so, but I am lucky because my marina does not seem to have a stray current leak, because they barely look used when I replace them every 3 years. The first year, I thought this meant my zincs were not working, but I was assured they are working correctly. I was told if they weren't i would see pitting on the drive itself, which I don't. Since they are so cheap, I replace the zincs when i have the marina pulls the outdrive to do a complete service on the outdrive. You seem to have the perfect boat that never has any sort of problems Reg. ;-) Even with an anti-fouling paint you will get algae growth. BTW: One additional maintenance item with I/O's........alignments. Inboards or outboards are the only way to go. When all you have is an imaginary boat, like Reggie has, you never have mechanical problems. Serious question. I have no ownership experience with these modern, car or truck gas engines in boats. What RPMS do you typically run them at? My SUV V8 loafs along at 2000 rpm or so at highway speeds, but you have to be running at what, twice that, in an I/O planing boat. What steps are taken to build up these engines to take that sort of constant high rpm stress? Harry, my Mercruiser 5.7L enjoyed being run at about 3300rpm. It would stay on plane from about 2500 on up, depending on sea state. These engines would require a rebuild or replacement after about 1000hrs (from what I've been told). The advantage is that they're pretty cheap compared to outboard engines. -- John H |
| All times are GMT +1. The time now is 09:41 PM. |
|
Powered by vBulletin® Copyright ©2000 - 2024, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
Copyright ©2004 - 2014 BoatBanter.com