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On Wed, 28 Nov 2007 18:25:12 -0500, " JimH" ask wrote:


"Tim" wrote in message
...
I was wondering if there are any stats on how long people actually
keep their boat. Like if they buy a new runabout or cuddie etc. how
long do they actually keep it, before selling it or trading it in for
a new model.

some people keep cars a year then trade for new, others buy new and
run the wheels off it.

I've never bought a brand new boat in my life and really don't plan on
it. My two boats are 1983 and 1977. Both in very good shape and will
be keeping them for quite a while.

Does anyone know what is the average trade off or average length of
ownership is for boats?

I would guess I change boats every 5-7 years. I have only purchased 1 new
boat and that was only because the dealership was going out of business and
I got a great deal on it.

My 20 foot runabout is being gifted to my son when he is actually able to
take ownership and advantage of using it. I received a call from the marina
today that the outdrive maintenance has been completed and the boat is ready
to be picked up. They found some additional problems with the OD.....which
they repaired. We are picking it up over the weekend to be shrink wrapped
and winter stored at another site (cheaper).


That's really great that you're going to give it to your son. Are you going
to pay the storage fees for him also. That would be a super gift!
--
John H

Speaking of boats for the middle class.
 

I bought my MaXum 2500 new in 1990. First boat. Only 'new' conveyance
I've ever bought. I bought the biggest boat I could put on a trailer
without getting totally ridiculous, so I wouldn't have to trade up soon,
and knew when I bought it I would be happy with it for years. 17 years,
and still satisfied with what I have. Just perfect for the Sound and San
Juans. No 2-foot-itis here, and, no slip fees.
JR

Tim wrote:
I was wondering if there are any stats on how long people actually
keep their boat. Like if they buy a new runabout or cuddie etc. how
long do they actually keep it, before selling it or trading it in for
a new model.

some people keep cars a year then trade for new, others buy new and
run the wheels off it.

I've never bought a brand new boat in my life and really don't plan on
it. My two boats are 1983 and 1977. Both in very good shape and will
be keeping them for quite a while.

Does anyone know what is the average trade off or average length of
ownership is for boats?


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Home Page: http://www.seanet.com/~jasonrnorth

Speaking of boats for the middle class.
 

WaIIy wrote:
On Wed, 28 Nov 2007 18:41:34 -0500, " JimH" ask wrote:


Regarding mechanical problems, I have not had any significant problems with
the outdrives on my boats.

Having said that...........I will never purchase another boat with an
outdrive as the upkeep is more demanding than an outboard.

That's why you need a Volvo I/O.

I really can't figure out what is the additional upkeep or why a Volvo
would have less than a Merc.

Speaking of boats for the middle class.
 

JimH wrote:
"Reginald P. Smithers III" wrote in message
. ..
JimH wrote:
"HK" wrote in message
. ..
JimH wrote:
"Tim" wrote in message
...
I was wondering if there are any stats on how long people actually
keep their boat. Like if they buy a new runabout or cuddie etc. how
long do they actually keep it, before selling it or trading it in for
a new model.

some people keep cars a year then trade for new, others buy new and
run the wheels off it.

I've never bought a brand new boat in my life and really don't plan on
it. My two boats are 1983 and 1977. Both in very good shape and will
be keeping them for quite a while.

Does anyone know what is the average trade off or average length of
ownership is for boats?
I would guess I change boats every 5-7 years. I have only purchased 1
new boat and that was only because the dealership was going out of
business and I got a great deal on it.

My 20 foot runabout is being gifted to my son when he is actually able
to take ownership and advantage of using it. I received a call from
the marina today that the outdrive maintenance has been completed and
the boat is ready to be picked up. They found some additional problems
with the OD.....which they repaired. We are picking it up over the
weekend to be shrink wrapped and winter stored at another site
(cheaper).
Having never owned a boat with an I/O, my info is obtained vicariously.
From what I have read here and elsewhere over the years, it seems to be
that these drives are nothing but continuing maintenance and trouble.
Yet the technology in them, really, is many decades old. Do you think
they'd be less problematical if their manufacturers concentrated on
improving the quality of the parts they contain and worried less about
new and sometimes dubious features?


Regarding mechanical problems, I have not had any significant problems
with the outdrives on my boats.

Having said that...........I will never purchase another boat with an
outdrive as the upkeep is more demanding than an outboard.



Except for the boot on the OD, what additional upkeep do you have?


I thought you may know this but here goes anyway: The I/O stays submerged
during the entire season. An outboard is in the water only when it is being
used as it can be raised out of the water when docked. As a result the
anodes need replacing more often and most significantly the lower unit on
the I/O takes a beating. It also takes on a significant amount of marine
growth with can result in reduced performance.

Personally I clean the I/O whenever the water is warm enough to jump in.
It is amazing the amount of marine growth that reoccurs within only a few
weeks if not attended to.


I have never had a problem with algea growth because I use Outdrive
Anti-Fouling paint. It really makes a hell of a difference and is cheap
and easy to do yourself. I look at the zincs every month or so, but I
am lucky because my marina does not seem to have a stray current leak,
because they barely look used when I replace them every 3 years. The
first year, I thought this meant my zincs were not working, but I was
assured they are working correctly. I was told if they weren't i would
see pitting on the drive itself, which I don't. Since they are so
cheap, I replace the zincs when i have the marina pulls the outdrive to
do a complete service on the outdrive.

Speaking of boats for the middle class.
 

JimH wrote:
"Reginald P. Smithers III" wrote in message
. ..
WaIIy wrote:
On Wed, 28 Nov 2007 18:41:34 -0500, " JimH" ask wrote:

Regarding mechanical problems, I have not had any significant problems
with the outdrives on my boats.

Having said that...........I will never purchase another boat with an
outdrive as the upkeep is more demanding than an outboard.
That's why you need a Volvo I/O.
I really can't figure out what is the additional upkeep or why a Volvo
would have less than a Merc.


One less boot.

BTW: I do have a Volvo. ;-)



So do I, a DuoProp. I think they are great, but I never thought of them
as demanding less service than a Merc.

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JimH wrote:
"John H." wrote in message
...
On Wed, 28 Nov 2007 18:25:12 -0500, " JimH" ask wrote:

"Tim" wrote in message
...
I was wondering if there are any stats on how long people actually
keep their boat. Like if they buy a new runabout or cuddie etc. how
long do they actually keep it, before selling it or trading it in for
a new model.

some people keep cars a year then trade for new, others buy new and
run the wheels off it.

I've never bought a brand new boat in my life and really don't plan on
it. My two boats are 1983 and 1977. Both in very good shape and will
be keeping them for quite a while.

Does anyone know what is the average trade off or average length of
ownership is for boats?
I would guess I change boats every 5-7 years. I have only purchased 1 new
boat and that was only because the dealership was going out of business
and
I got a great deal on it.

My 20 foot runabout is being gifted to my son when he is actually able to
take ownership and advantage of using it. I received a call from the
marina
today that the outdrive maintenance has been completed and the boat is
ready
to be picked up. They found some additional problems with the
OD.....which
they repaired. We are picking it up over the weekend to be shrink
wrapped
and winter stored at another site (cheaper).

That's really great that you're going to give it to your son. Are you
going
to pay the storage fees for him also. That would be a super gift!
--
John H

Reading comprehension problems John?



JimH,
What service did you need to do on your oudrive?

Speaking of boats for the middle class.
 

JimH wrote:
"Reginald P. Smithers III" wrote in message
. ..
JimH wrote:
"Reginald P. Smithers III" wrote in message
. ..
JimH wrote:
"HK" wrote in message
. ..
JimH wrote:
"Tim" wrote in message
...
I was wondering if there are any stats on how long people actually
keep their boat. Like if they buy a new runabout or cuddie etc. how
long do they actually keep it, before selling it or trading it in
for
a new model.

some people keep cars a year then trade for new, others buy new and
run the wheels off it.

I've never bought a brand new boat in my life and really don't plan
on
it. My two boats are 1983 and 1977. Both in very good shape and will
be keeping them for quite a while.

Does anyone know what is the average trade off or average length of
ownership is for boats?
I would guess I change boats every 5-7 years. I have only purchased
1 new boat and that was only because the dealership was going out of
business and I got a great deal on it.

My 20 foot runabout is being gifted to my son when he is actually
able to take ownership and advantage of using it. I received a call
from the marina today that the outdrive maintenance has been
completed and the boat is ready to be picked up. They found some
additional problems with the OD.....which they repaired. We are
picking it up over the weekend to be shrink wrapped and winter stored
at another site (cheaper).
Having never owned a boat with an I/O, my info is obtained
vicariously. From what I have read here and elsewhere over the years,
it seems to be that these drives are nothing but continuing
maintenance and trouble. Yet the technology in them, really, is many
decades old. Do you think they'd be less problematical if their
manufacturers concentrated on improving the quality of the parts they
contain and worried less about new and sometimes dubious features?

Regarding mechanical problems, I have not had any significant problems
with the outdrives on my boats.

Having said that...........I will never purchase another boat with an
outdrive as the upkeep is more demanding than an outboard.



Except for the boot on the OD, what additional upkeep do you have?

I thought you may know this but here goes anyway: The I/O stays
submerged during the entire season. An outboard is in the water only
when it is being used as it can be raised out of the water when docked.
As a result the anodes need replacing more often and most significantly
the lower unit on the I/O takes a beating. It also takes on a
significant amount of marine growth with can result in reduced
performance.

Personally I clean the I/O whenever the water is warm enough to jump in.
It is amazing the amount of marine growth that reoccurs within only a few
weeks if not attended to.

I have never had a problem with algea growth because I use Outdrive
Anti-Fouling paint. It really makes a hell of a difference and is cheap
and easy to do yourself. I look at the zincs every month or so, but I am
lucky because my marina does not seem to have a stray current leak,
because they barely look used when I replace them every 3 years. The
first year, I thought this meant my zincs were not working, but I was
assured they are working correctly. I was told if they weren't i would
see pitting on the drive itself, which I don't. Since they are so cheap,
I replace the zincs when i have the marina pulls the outdrive to do a
complete service on the outdrive.



You seem to have the perfect boat that never has any sort of problems Reg.
;-)

Even with an anti-fouling paint you will get algae growth.

BTW: One additional maintenance item with I/O's........alignments.

Inboards or outboards are the only way to go.



When all you have is an imaginary boat, like Reggie has, you never have
mechanical problems.

Serious question. I have no ownership experience with these modern, car
or truck gas engines in boats. What RPMS do you typically run them at?
My SUV V8 loafs along at 2000 rpm or so at highway speeds, but you have
to be running at what, twice that, in an I/O planing boat. What steps
are taken to build up these engines to take that sort of constant high
rpm stress?

Speaking of boats for the middle class.
 

JimH wrote:
"HK" wrote in message
...
JimH wrote:
"Reginald P. Smithers III" wrote in message
. ..
JimH wrote:
"Reginald P. Smithers III" wrote in message
. ..
JimH wrote:
"HK" wrote in message
. ..
JimH wrote:
"Tim" wrote in message
...
I was wondering if there are any stats on how long people actually
keep their boat. Like if they buy a new runabout or cuddie etc.
how
long do they actually keep it, before selling it or trading it in
for
a new model.

some people keep cars a year then trade for new, others buy new
and
run the wheels off it.

I've never bought a brand new boat in my life and really don't
plan on
it. My two boats are 1983 and 1977. Both in very good shape and
will
be keeping them for quite a while.

Does anyone know what is the average trade off or average length
of
ownership is for boats?
I would guess I change boats every 5-7 years. I have only
purchased 1 new boat and that was only because the dealership was
going out of business and I got a great deal on it.

My 20 foot runabout is being gifted to my son when he is actually
able to take ownership and advantage of using it. I received a
call from the marina today that the outdrive maintenance has been
completed and the boat is ready to be picked up. They found some
additional problems with the OD.....which they repaired. We are
picking it up over the weekend to be shrink wrapped and winter
stored at another site (cheaper).
Having never owned a boat with an I/O, my info is obtained
vicariously. From what I have read here and elsewhere over the
years, it seems to be that these drives are nothing but continuing
maintenance and trouble. Yet the technology in them, really, is many
decades old. Do you think they'd be less problematical if their
manufacturers concentrated on improving the quality of the parts
they contain and worried less about new and sometimes dubious
features?

Regarding mechanical problems, I have not had any significant
problems with the outdrives on my boats.

Having said that...........I will never purchase another boat with an
outdrive as the upkeep is more demanding than an outboard.



Except for the boot on the OD, what additional upkeep do you have?

I thought you may know this but here goes anyway: The I/O stays
submerged during the entire season. An outboard is in the water only
when it is being used as it can be raised out of the water when docked.
As a result the anodes need replacing more often and most significantly
the lower unit on the I/O takes a beating. It also takes on a
significant amount of marine growth with can result in reduced
performance.

Personally I clean the I/O whenever the water is warm enough to jump
in. It is amazing the amount of marine growth that reoccurs within only
a few weeks if not attended to.
I have never had a problem with algea growth because I use Outdrive
Anti-Fouling paint. It really makes a hell of a difference and is cheap
and easy to do yourself. I look at the zincs every month or so, but I
am lucky because my marina does not seem to have a stray current leak,
because they barely look used when I replace them every 3 years. The
first year, I thought this meant my zincs were not working, but I was
assured they are working correctly. I was told if they weren't i would
see pitting on the drive itself, which I don't. Since they are so
cheap, I replace the zincs when i have the marina pulls the outdrive to
do a complete service on the outdrive.


You seem to have the perfect boat that never has any sort of problems
Reg. ;-)

Even with an anti-fouling paint you will get algae growth.

BTW: One additional maintenance item with I/O's........alignments.

Inboards or outboards are the only way to go.
When all you have is an imaginary boat, like Reggie has, you never have
mechanical problems.

Serious question. I have no ownership experience with these modern, car or
truck gas engines in boats. What RPMS do you typically run them at?

Anywhere from 3600 to 4600 rpm. I believe WOT for mine is close to 5100
rpm.



Well, that's not much different than how I run my Yamaha 150, though I
am usually closer to 4000 rpm at the upper end, because of the almost
constant hard chop hereabouts. WOT for me is 6000 rpm.

Speaking of boats for the middle class.
 

HK wrote:
JimH wrote:
"Reginald P. Smithers III" wrote in
message . ..
JimH wrote:
"Reginald P. Smithers III" wrote in
message . ..
JimH wrote:
"HK" wrote in message
. ..
JimH wrote:
"Tim" wrote in message
...

I was wondering if there are any stats on how long people actually
keep their boat. Like if they buy a new runabout or cuddie etc.
how
long do they actually keep it, before selling it or trading it
in for
a new model.

some people keep cars a year then trade for new, others buy new
and
run the wheels off it.

I've never bought a brand new boat in my life and really don't
plan on
it. My two boats are 1983 and 1977. Both in very good shape and
will
be keeping them for quite a while.

Does anyone know what is the average trade off or average
length of
ownership is for boats?
I would guess I change boats every 5-7 years. I have only
purchased 1 new boat and that was only because the dealership
was going out of business and I got a great deal on it.

My 20 foot runabout is being gifted to my son when he is
actually able to take ownership and advantage of using it. I
received a call from the marina today that the outdrive
maintenance has been completed and the boat is ready to be
picked up. They found some additional problems with the
OD.....which they repaired. We are picking it up over the
weekend to be shrink wrapped and winter stored at another site
(cheaper).
Having never owned a boat with an I/O, my info is obtained
vicariously. From what I have read here and elsewhere over the
years, it seems to be that these drives are nothing but
continuing maintenance and trouble. Yet the technology in them,
really, is many decades old. Do you think they'd be less
problematical if their manufacturers concentrated on improving
the quality of the parts they contain and worried less about new
and sometimes dubious features?

Regarding mechanical problems, I have not had any significant
problems with the outdrives on my boats.

Having said that...........I will never purchase another boat with
an outdrive as the upkeep is more demanding than an outboard.



Except for the boot on the OD, what additional upkeep do you have?

I thought you may know this but here goes anyway: The I/O stays
submerged during the entire season. An outboard is in the water
only when it is being used as it can be raised out of the water when
docked. As a result the anodes need replacing more often and most
significantly the lower unit on the I/O takes a beating. It also
takes on a significant amount of marine growth with can result in
reduced performance.

Personally I clean the I/O whenever the water is warm enough to jump
in. It is amazing the amount of marine growth that reoccurs within
only a few weeks if not attended to.

I have never had a problem with algea growth because I use Outdrive
Anti-Fouling paint. It really makes a hell of a difference and is
cheap and easy to do yourself. I look at the zincs every month or
so, but I am lucky because my marina does not seem to have a stray
current leak, because they barely look used when I replace them every
3 years. The first year, I thought this meant my zincs were not
working, but I was assured they are working correctly. I was told if
they weren't i would see pitting on the drive itself, which I don't.
Since they are so cheap, I replace the zincs when i have the marina
pulls the outdrive to do a complete service on the outdrive.



You seem to have the perfect boat that never has any sort of problems
Reg. ;-)

Even with an anti-fouling paint you will get algae growth.

BTW: One additional maintenance item with I/O's........alignments.

Inboards or outboards are the only way to go.


When all you have is an imaginary boat, like Reggie has, you never have
mechanical problems.

Serious question. I have no ownership experience with these modern, car
or truck gas engines in boats. What RPMS do you typically run them at?
My SUV V8 loafs along at 2000 rpm or so at highway speeds, but you have
to be running at what, twice that, in an I/O planing boat. What steps
are taken to build up these engines to take that sort of constant high
rpm stress?

It depends upon the boat, but 3200-3500 has always kept my boats on
plane. You are correct, I really have been lucky, and have never had a
major problem, but I do keep up with the mfg'er recommended schedule.

Do you have many mechanical problems with your boats?

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Reginald P. Smithers III wrote:


Do you have many mechanical problems with your boats?


Not really, since I sell them off after three to four years.