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Boats for the middle class.....
"John H." wrote in message ... On Wed, 28 Nov 2007 14:58:57 -0500, HK wrote: Calif Bill wrote: Some marinas are responding by removing the smaller slips and replacing them with new accomodations for larger boats. Lots of the trailer size crowd also store their boats near a ramp. When you look at the cost of leaving a boat in a slip, it is large. More bottom paint and cleaning as well as the cost of the slip. Marina Del Rey, has boat storage about 200 yards from the ramp. So someone can easily dump the boat in the water for a couple hours fishing. Lots of ramp areas do the same thing, nearby storage. The marina where I keep son of Yo Ho has about 120 slips, which rent for about $2000 to $3000 for the April 1 through 30 November season, and includes water and "reasonable" electric. All the slips usually are filled, and sometimes there is a waiting list. Aside from larger charter fishing boats, most of the slips have boats 30' or less in them, and while I haven't counted noses, I would guess most of the slipped boats are 22' to 27' long. There's also trailerboat parking on the site for I'd guess 400 to 500 boats. The fee will be $600 a season, and includes unlimited use of two nicely maintained concrete boat ramps. Winter storage from 1 December to 31 March is $250. For non-storage customers, the ramp fee is now $10 a pop. It's a pretty laid-back place. I considered slipping the original Yo Ho there, because I thought the convenience would outweigh the cost, but I ended up not doing so. I made the right decision, because most slipped boats suffer much more wear and tear than trailered boats. When I sold Yo Ho, she brought only a couple of thousand less than I paid for her. Plus, the convenience wouldn't have mattered much as you didn't use the boat much. Don't know if you ever ran into the owner of the Linda J, but he kept his in a slip about eight slips up from the ramp. He was out about three times a week though, and he had a 27' Judge with a little Honda 90 on it. -- John H Lots of the slipped boats never move. When I was down in Alamitos Bay Marina for a week this year, asked a guy on a sailboat with maybe 5 tons of growth on the bottom, how often he sailed the boat. He said last moved 23 years ago. Probably a cost effective weekend home, or even a primary residence where houses sell for $700k and up. Million dollar house will cost $20k in property taxes plus any district assessment. |
Boats for the middle class.....
On Wed, 28 Nov 2007 14:19:52 -0800, "Calif Bill"
wrote: "John H." wrote in message .. . On Wed, 28 Nov 2007 14:58:57 -0500, HK wrote: Calif Bill wrote: Some marinas are responding by removing the smaller slips and replacing them with new accomodations for larger boats. Lots of the trailer size crowd also store their boats near a ramp. When you look at the cost of leaving a boat in a slip, it is large. More bottom paint and cleaning as well as the cost of the slip. Marina Del Rey, has boat storage about 200 yards from the ramp. So someone can easily dump the boat in the water for a couple hours fishing. Lots of ramp areas do the same thing, nearby storage. The marina where I keep son of Yo Ho has about 120 slips, which rent for about $2000 to $3000 for the April 1 through 30 November season, and includes water and "reasonable" electric. All the slips usually are filled, and sometimes there is a waiting list. Aside from larger charter fishing boats, most of the slips have boats 30' or less in them, and while I haven't counted noses, I would guess most of the slipped boats are 22' to 27' long. There's also trailerboat parking on the site for I'd guess 400 to 500 boats. The fee will be $600 a season, and includes unlimited use of two nicely maintained concrete boat ramps. Winter storage from 1 December to 31 March is $250. For non-storage customers, the ramp fee is now $10 a pop. It's a pretty laid-back place. I considered slipping the original Yo Ho there, because I thought the convenience would outweigh the cost, but I ended up not doing so. I made the right decision, because most slipped boats suffer much more wear and tear than trailered boats. When I sold Yo Ho, she brought only a couple of thousand less than I paid for her. Plus, the convenience wouldn't have mattered much as you didn't use the boat much. Don't know if you ever ran into the owner of the Linda J, but he kept his in a slip about eight slips up from the ramp. He was out about three times a week though, and he had a 27' Judge with a little Honda 90 on it. -- John H Lots of the slipped boats never move. When I was down in Alamitos Bay Marina for a week this year, asked a guy on a sailboat with maybe 5 tons of growth on the bottom, how often he sailed the boat. He said last moved 23 years ago. Probably a cost effective weekend home, or even a primary residence where houses sell for $700k and up. Million dollar house will cost $20k in property taxes plus any district assessment. Most of the boats in the marina where Harry kept his were *not* liveaboards. Most were pretty small, 25-35 feet. -- John H |
Boats for the middle class.....
On Nov 28, 4:19 pm, "Calif Bill" wrote:
"John H." wrote in message ... On Wed, 28 Nov 2007 14:58:57 -0500, HK wrote: Calif Bill wrote: Some marinas are responding by removing the smaller slips and replacing them with new accomodations for larger boats. Lots of the trailer size crowd also store their boats near a ramp. When you look at the cost of leaving a boat in a slip, it is large. More bottom paint and cleaning as well as the cost of the slip. Marina Del Rey, has boat storage about 200 yards from the ramp. So someone can easily dump the boat in the water for a couple hours fishing. Lots of ramp areas do the same thing, nearby storage. The marina where I keep son of Yo Ho has about 120 slips, which rent for about $2000 to $3000 for the April 1 through 30 November season, and includes water and "reasonable" electric. All the slips usually are filled, and sometimes there is a waiting list. Aside from larger charter fishing boats, most of the slips have boats 30' or less in them, and while I haven't counted noses, I would guess most of the slipped boats are 22' to 27' long. There's also trailerboat parking on the site for I'd guess 400 to 500 boats. The fee will be $600 a season, and includes unlimited use of two nicely maintained concrete boat ramps. Winter storage from 1 December to 31 March is $250. For non-storage customers, the ramp fee is now $10 a pop. It's a pretty laid-back place. I considered slipping the original Yo Ho there, because I thought the convenience would outweigh the cost, but I ended up not doing so. I made the right decision, because most slipped boats suffer much more wear and tear than trailered boats. When I sold Yo Ho, she brought only a couple of thousand less than I paid for her. Plus, the convenience wouldn't have mattered much as you didn't use the boat much. Don't know if you ever ran into the owner of the Linda J, but he kept his in a slip about eight slips up from the ramp. He was out about three times a week though, and he had a 27' Judge with a little Honda 90 on it. -- John H Lots of the slipped boats never move. When I was down in Alamitos Bay Marina for a week this year, asked a guy on a sailboat with maybe 5 tons of growth on the bottom, how often he sailed the boat. He said last moved 23 years ago. Probably a cost effective weekend home, or even a primary residence where houses sell for $700k and up. Million dollar house will cost $20k in property taxes plus any district assessment.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - There was a guy selling a trawler on ebay last year, and he advertized it as a live aboard, He bought it for his family to live on while their house was being built in another state, then was selling it to move into their new digs. the slip lease was transferable, and he gave a breakdown of the anual cost. In his write up he said something like "live cheap and have a blast at the same time" |
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On Wed, 28 Nov 2007 19:57:46 GMT, penned the following
well considered thoughts to the readers of rec.boats: | |That is clearly not what is happening around here, Bill. Up until this |year, the "trailer sized" slips were all occupied, and there were |waiting lists. Those smaller slips were mostly vacant this year. It |was a huge and abrupt change. | Same here. I wonder if the $350/mo minimum plus utilities had anything to do with it? I store within .5 mile of the ramp, but I won't pay $350+ for a hole in the water..... even though it isn't nearly as convenient. -- Grady-White Gulfstream, out of Oak Island, NC. Homepage http://pamandgene.idleplay.net/ Rec.boats at Lee Yeaton's Bayguide http://www.thebayguide.com/rec.boats ----------------- www.Newsgroup-Binaries.com - *Completion*Retention*Speed* Access your favorite newsgroups from home or on the road ----------------- |
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wrote in message ... On Thu, 29 Nov 2007 09:04:18 -0500, Gene Kearns wrote: On Wed, 28 Nov 2007 19:57:46 GMT, penned the following well considered thoughts to the readers of rec.boats: | |That is clearly not what is happening around here, Bill. Up until this |year, the "trailer sized" slips were all occupied, and there were |waiting lists. Those smaller slips were mostly vacant this year. It |was a huge and abrupt change. | Same here. I wonder if the $350/mo minimum plus utilities had anything to do with it? I store within .5 mile of the ramp, but I won't pay $350+ for a hole in the water..... even though it isn't nearly as convenient. No, the price of slips hasn't suddenly shot up at my Marina. The price of fuel, however... At my marina, boats under 20 feet pay a lower rate than the bigger boats. I think last season they were paying about $50 or $55 a foot for the 6 month season. I was paying twice that, which around here is still on the low side. They get the cheaper rate mostly because those smaller slips are in shallow water that would otherwise be of no use at all. You people are fortunate to have such reasonable slip prices. Around here, (MA) a slip costs double that, at a minimum. Scituate's town owned marina is over $100 per foot and that harbor's private marinas are at least $125 to $130 per foot last time I checked. Down here on the Cape the slips are $175/ft or more although there are a few cheaper in some less desireable areas. Some marinas charge by the actual boat LOA, some charge by the slip's capacity. That's why we bought the slips rather than lease them. The market value of the slip the Navigator is in has more than doubled since we bought it 6 years ago and there's a waiting list of buyers should we ever sell it. We also get paid 85% of collected slip fees for transient boats that use the slips if our boat is not in it. My son bought a slip even though he does not own a boat. It's purely an investment and every fall he gets a check for over 5K from the marina. When the time comes that he sells the slip, he'll get a decent return plus will have collected the 5k every year he owned it. Although we pay no slip fees, we *do* pay a yearly fee for maintenance, water and electricity. So far those fees have been around $1400-$1600 for the season. If I leased the slip we have the Navigator in, our seasonal cost would be just short of $10k. Eisboch |
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On Nov 28, 12:26�pm, Short Wave Sportfishing
wrote: On Wed, 28 Nov 2007 19:57:46 GMT, wrote: On Wed, 28 Nov 2007 11:47:22 -0800, "Calif Bill" wrote: Lots of the trailer size crowd also store their boats near a ramp. When you look at the cost of leaving a boat in a slip, it is large. �More bottom paint and cleaning as well as the cost of the slip. �Marina Del Rey, has boat storage about 200 yards from the ramp. �So someone can easily dump the boat in the water for a couple hours fishing. �Lots of ramp areas do the same thing, nearby storage. That is clearly not what is happening around here, Bill. Up until this year, the "trailer sized" slips were all occupied, and there were waiting lists. Those smaller slips were mostly vacant this year. It was a huge and abrupt change. They still insisting that you buy 25' of space for 20' boats? That seems to be the norm around the Mystic area and northwards.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - It's customary around here to rent out the slip based on its capacity. Transient boaters staying for a night or two generally pay by the foot, regardless of the slip to which they are assigned. While some marinas might have 25 foot slips, darn few are going to have 27 or 28 foot slips. In any market where the slips fill up, the landlord has to realize that simply because a particular boat doesn't occupy the entire available space in the slip, the entire slip has effectively been rented. Nobody would want to fool with a 4-foot jetsi also jammed into their space because their boat was only 26 foot LOA and the slip was 30 feet. You have rentals, Tom; when you rent a three bedroom house do you give a discount to a family that only has one kid and doesn't really "need" part of the house? :-) |
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On Nov 29, 6:04�am, Gene Kearns
wrote: On Wed, 28 Nov 2007 19:57:46 GMT, penned the following well considered thoughts to the readers of rec.boats: | |That is clearly not what is happening around here, Bill. Up until this |year, the "trailer sized" slips were all occupied, and there were |waiting lists. Those smaller slips were mostly vacant this year. It |was a huge and abrupt change. | Same here. I wonder if the $350/mo minimum plus utilities had anything to do with it? I store within .5 mile of the ramp, but I won't pay $350+ for a hole in the water..... �even though it isn't nearly as convenient. -- Grady-White Gulfstream, out of Oak Island, NC. Homepagehttp://pamandgene.idleplay.net/� � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � Rec.boats at Lee Yeaton's Bayguidehttp://www.thebayguide.com/rec.boats� � � � � � � � � � � � � � � -----------------www.Newsgroup-Binaries.com- *Completion*Retention*Speed* Access your favorite newsgroups from home or on the road ----------------- A 40-foot slip in the Seattle area will run *at least* $400 per month. My covered moorage goes for $500, and there are newer and slightly nicer places where I could pay substantially more. Darned if you do, darned if you don't. Some of us don't have a realistic option to trailer so we're going to pay moorage no matter what it costs. Others who can either rent a slip or trailer might want to consider that if the facility renting slips offers any other essential services, (fuel dock, repair station, etc) boycotting the slips will merely hasten the day when the condo developers mow down the whole affair and all of the other amenities disappear along with the slips. |
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Chuck Gould wrote:
On Nov 29, 6:04�am, Gene Kearns wrote: On Wed, 28 Nov 2007 19:57:46 GMT, penned the following well considered thoughts to the readers of rec.boats: | |That is clearly not what is happening around here, Bill. Up until this |year, the "trailer sized" slips were all occupied, and there were |waiting lists. Those smaller slips were mostly vacant this year. It |was a huge and abrupt change. | Same here. I wonder if the $350/mo minimum plus utilities had anything to do with it? I store within .5 mile of the ramp, but I won't pay $350+ for a hole in the water..... �even though it isn't nearly as convenient. -- Grady-White Gulfstream, out of Oak Island, NC. Homepagehttp://pamandgene.idleplay.net/� � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � Rec.boats at Lee Yeaton's Bayguidehttp://www.thebayguide.com/rec.boats� � � � � � � � � � � � � � � -----------------www.Newsgroup-Binaries.com- *Completion*Retention*Speed* Access your favorite newsgroups from home or on the road ----------------- A 40-foot slip in the Seattle area will run *at least* $400 per month. My covered moorage goes for $500, and there are newer and slightly nicer places where I could pay substantially more. Darned if you do, darned if you don't. Some of us don't have a realistic option to trailer so we're going to pay moorage no matter what it costs. Others who can either rent a slip or trailer might want to consider that if the facility renting slips offers any other essential services, (fuel dock, repair station, etc) boycotting the slips will merely hasten the day when the condo developers mow down the whole affair and all of the other amenities disappear along with the slips. There are many reasons NOT to slip a trailerable boat if the options are available. There is no reason to bend over every single time a marina operator wants access to your wallet. When I finish using son of Yo Ho, I trailer the boat to the house, which is only a few minutes away from the marina, empty the boat, wash it, let it dry, put on the cover, and take it back to the marina parking lot. Next time I want to use the boat, it is clean and ready to go. |
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Chuck Gould wrote:
On Nov 28, 12:26�pm, Short Wave Sportfishing wrote: On Wed, 28 Nov 2007 19:57:46 GMT, wrote: On Wed, 28 Nov 2007 11:47:22 -0800, "Calif Bill" wrote: Lots of the trailer size crowd also store their boats near a ramp. When you look at the cost of leaving a boat in a slip, it is large. �More bottom paint and cleaning as well as the cost of the slip. �Marina Del Rey, has boat storage about 200 yards from the ramp. �So someone can easily dump the boat in the water for a couple hours fishing. �Lots of ramp areas do the same thing, nearby storage. That is clearly not what is happening around here, Bill. Up until this year, the "trailer sized" slips were all occupied, and there were waiting lists. Those smaller slips were mostly vacant this year. It was a huge and abrupt change. They still insisting that you buy 25' of space for 20' boats? That seems to be the norm around the Mystic area and northwards.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - It's customary around here to rent out the slip based on its capacity. Transient boaters staying for a night or two generally pay by the foot, regardless of the slip to which they are assigned. While some marinas might have 25 foot slips, darn few are going to have 27 or 28 foot slips. In any market where the slips fill up, the landlord has to realize that simply because a particular boat doesn't occupy the entire available space in the slip, the entire slip has effectively been rented. Nobody would want to fool with a 4-foot jetsi also jammed into their space because their boat was only 26 foot LOA and the slip was 30 feet. You have rentals, Tom; when you rent a three bedroom house do you give a discount to a family that only has one kid and doesn't really "need" part of the house? :-) That is the same way in Georgia. You pay for the slip size, and they have maximum boat size allowed in each slip. |
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