Boats for the middle class.....
 

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On Wed, 28 Nov 2007 10:38:45 -0800 (PST), Tim
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I would think that the reasoning behind this is that people with small
crafts are tired of paying slip fees for something mostly portable.
That's what I like about my 23'r. I can still trailer it around, and
not be stuck with slip fees and not knowing that my boat was being
watched or not. And/or the marina is finding that they can pull in
much more revenue by accomodating larger crafts with minor expansion
expense. Especially if they charge by the foot of the boat.


People with smaller boats keep them in slips so they can use them
more. It's really as simple as that. They like to stop by after work
during the week and go out for an hour or two. If they have to drive
home, hitch up the trailer, drive to the launch, wait in line, launch,
retrieve, etc, etc, they simply can't use the boat as often and
impulsivly. It's not that they are tired of paying, it's that they
can't afford it any longer, but they want to hang on to whatever kind
of boating lifestyle they can still manage.

When the marinas reconfigure for larger boats, it is for fewer, larger
slips in the same space as the more numerous small slips. They just
want it configured for something they can sell. The bottom line is
that the small boats are really being squeezed out by fuel costs, not
slip fees.

Bear in mind that most people with these small boats are at the lower
end of the financial spectrum compared with the big boat owners. Fuel
costs hit them a lot harder. You could even argue that the big boys
don't really feel the fuel price increases much at all. They don't
have to chose between fuel and a slip. They just write a check and
enjoy themselves.

My boat is too large to trailer. I could save a lot by putting my boat
on a mooring, but like trailering, it would seriously curtail my use
and enjoyment of the boat. I want to use it as much as possible, and I
can afford it, so I pay for a slip. Not everyone is in that position.

Blue collar boaters could really use a break. They need it.



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On Wed, 28 Nov 2007 08:34:13 -0800 (PST), Chuck Gould
wrote:

On Nov 28, 3:22?am, Short Wave Sportfishing
wrote:
On Tue, 27 Nov 2007 18:12:40 -0800, "Calif Bill"

wrote:
The 20% or so of the boaters in the
country, the fuel costs of getting the fishing hole with the 12-16'
fishing
boat is going to be 10-20x the fuel costs for a day of fishing.

I've had this discussion with a number of tournament types over the
past couple of weeks and their overall approach to the upcoming
southern season and next summer.

A lot of guys are going to double up and team fish.

It would make sense that people will change some of their customary
boating practices to adapt to the higher fuel costs, but I still
predict that few people who currently boat will be driven out of the
pastime soley because gas or diesel is up a couple of dollars per
gallon.

In my area, it was very apparent this past season that the bulk of
fishing boats from 16 to 20 feet were absent from slips. The parking
lots at area ramps were far more crowded than in the past. Seems
pretty obvious what happened.

Some marinas are responding by removing the smaller slips and
replacing them with new accomodations for larger boats.


Lots of the trailer size crowd also store their boats near a ramp. When you
look at the cost of leaving a boat in a slip, it is large. More bottom
paint and cleaning as well as the cost of the slip. Marina Del Rey, has
boat storage about 200 yards from the ramp. So someone can easily dump the
boat in the water for a couple hours fishing. Lots of ramp areas do the
same thing, nearby storage.

Boats for the middle class.....
 

Calif Bill wrote:


Some marinas are responding by removing the smaller slips and
replacing them with new accomodations for larger boats.

Lots of the trailer size crowd also store their boats near a ramp. When you
look at the cost of leaving a boat in a slip, it is large. More bottom
paint and cleaning as well as the cost of the slip. Marina Del Rey, has
boat storage about 200 yards from the ramp. So someone can easily dump the
boat in the water for a couple hours fishing. Lots of ramp areas do the
same thing, nearby storage.




The marina where I keep son of Yo Ho has about 120 slips, which rent for
about $2000 to $3000 for the April 1 through 30 November season, and
includes water and "reasonable" electric. All the slips usually are
filled, and sometimes there is a waiting list. Aside from larger charter
fishing boats, most of the slips have boats 30' or less in them, and
while I haven't counted noses, I would guess most of the slipped boats
are 22' to 27' long.

There's also trailerboat parking on the site for I'd guess 400 to 500
boats. The fee will be $600 a season, and includes unlimited use of two
nicely maintained concrete boat ramps. Winter storage from 1 December to
31 March is $250. For non-storage customers, the ramp fee is now $10 a pop.

It's a pretty laid-back place.

I considered slipping the original Yo Ho there, because I thought the
convenience would outweigh the cost, but I ended up not doing so. I made
the right decision, because most slipped boats suffer much more wear and
tear than trailered boats. When I sold Yo Ho, she brought only a couple
of thousand less than I paid for her.

Boats for the middle class.....
 

On Wed, 28 Nov 2007 19:57:46 GMT, wrote:

On Wed, 28 Nov 2007 11:47:22 -0800, "Calif Bill"
wrote:


Lots of the trailer size crowd also store their boats near a ramp. When you
look at the cost of leaving a boat in a slip, it is large. More bottom
paint and cleaning as well as the cost of the slip. Marina Del Rey, has
boat storage about 200 yards from the ramp. So someone can easily dump the
boat in the water for a couple hours fishing. Lots of ramp areas do the
same thing, nearby storage.

That is clearly not what is happening around here, Bill. Up until this
year, the "trailer sized" slips were all occupied, and there were
waiting lists. Those smaller slips were mostly vacant this year. It
was a huge and abrupt change.

They still insisting that you buy 25' of space for 20' boats?

That seems to be the norm around the Mystic area and northwards.

Boats for the middle class.....
 

John H. wrote:
On Wed, 28 Nov 2007 14:58:57 -0500, HK wrote:

Calif Bill wrote:

Some marinas are responding by removing the smaller slips and
replacing them with new accomodations for larger boats.
Lots of the trailer size crowd also store their boats near a ramp. When you
look at the cost of leaving a boat in a slip, it is large. More bottom
paint and cleaning as well as the cost of the slip. Marina Del Rey, has
boat storage about 200 yards from the ramp. So someone can easily dump the
boat in the water for a couple hours fishing. Lots of ramp areas do the
same thing, nearby storage.



The marina where I keep son of Yo Ho has about 120 slips, which rent for
about $2000 to $3000 for the April 1 through 30 November season, and
includes water and "reasonable" electric. All the slips usually are
filled, and sometimes there is a waiting list. Aside from larger charter
fishing boats, most of the slips have boats 30' or less in them, and
while I haven't counted noses, I would guess most of the slipped boats
are 22' to 27' long.

There's also trailerboat parking on the site for I'd guess 400 to 500
boats. The fee will be $600 a season, and includes unlimited use of two
nicely maintained concrete boat ramps. Winter storage from 1 December to
31 March is $250. For non-storage customers, the ramp fee is now $10 a pop.

It's a pretty laid-back place.

I considered slipping the original Yo Ho there, because I thought the
convenience would outweigh the cost, but I ended up not doing so. I made
the right decision, because most slipped boats suffer much more wear and
tear than trailered boats. When I sold Yo Ho, she brought only a couple
of thousand less than I paid for her.

Plus, the convenience wouldn't have mattered much as you didn't use the
boat much. Don't know if you ever ran into the owner of the Linda J, but he
kept his in a slip about eight slips up from the ramp. He was out about
three times a week though, and he had a 27' Judge with a little Honda 90 on
it.


Still living vicariously through the posts of others with your little
snotty comments, eh?

Boats for the middle class.....
 

On Wed, 28 Nov 2007 14:58:57 -0500, HK wrote:

Calif Bill wrote:


Some marinas are responding by removing the smaller slips and
replacing them with new accomodations for larger boats.

Lots of the trailer size crowd also store their boats near a ramp. When you
look at the cost of leaving a boat in a slip, it is large. More bottom
paint and cleaning as well as the cost of the slip. Marina Del Rey, has
boat storage about 200 yards from the ramp. So someone can easily dump the
boat in the water for a couple hours fishing. Lots of ramp areas do the
same thing, nearby storage.




The marina where I keep son of Yo Ho has about 120 slips, which rent for
about $2000 to $3000 for the April 1 through 30 November season, and
includes water and "reasonable" electric. All the slips usually are
filled, and sometimes there is a waiting list. Aside from larger charter
fishing boats, most of the slips have boats 30' or less in them, and
while I haven't counted noses, I would guess most of the slipped boats
are 22' to 27' long.

There's also trailerboat parking on the site for I'd guess 400 to 500
boats. The fee will be $600 a season, and includes unlimited use of two
nicely maintained concrete boat ramps. Winter storage from 1 December to
31 March is $250. For non-storage customers, the ramp fee is now $10 a pop.

It's a pretty laid-back place.

I considered slipping the original Yo Ho there, because I thought the
convenience would outweigh the cost, but I ended up not doing so. I made
the right decision, because most slipped boats suffer much more wear and
tear than trailered boats. When I sold Yo Ho, she brought only a couple
of thousand less than I paid for her.

Plus, the convenience wouldn't have mattered much as you didn't use the
boat much. Don't know if you ever ran into the owner of the Linda J, but he
kept his in a slip about eight slips up from the ramp. He was out about
three times a week though, and he had a 27' Judge with a little Honda 90 on
it.
--
John H

Boats for the middle class.....
 

John H. wrote:
On Wed, 28 Nov 2007 15:43:18 -0500, HK wrote:

John H. wrote:
On Wed, 28 Nov 2007 14:58:57 -0500, HK wrote:

Calif Bill wrote:

Some marinas are responding by removing the smaller slips and
replacing them with new accomodations for larger boats.
Lots of the trailer size crowd also store their boats near a ramp. When you
look at the cost of leaving a boat in a slip, it is large. More bottom
paint and cleaning as well as the cost of the slip. Marina Del Rey, has
boat storage about 200 yards from the ramp. So someone can easily dump the
boat in the water for a couple hours fishing. Lots of ramp areas do the
same thing, nearby storage.


The marina where I keep son of Yo Ho has about 120 slips, which rent for
about $2000 to $3000 for the April 1 through 30 November season, and
includes water and "reasonable" electric. All the slips usually are
filled, and sometimes there is a waiting list. Aside from larger charter
fishing boats, most of the slips have boats 30' or less in them, and
while I haven't counted noses, I would guess most of the slipped boats
are 22' to 27' long.

There's also trailerboat parking on the site for I'd guess 400 to 500
boats. The fee will be $600 a season, and includes unlimited use of two
nicely maintained concrete boat ramps. Winter storage from 1 December to
31 March is $250. For non-storage customers, the ramp fee is now $10 a pop.

It's a pretty laid-back place.

I considered slipping the original Yo Ho there, because I thought the
convenience would outweigh the cost, but I ended up not doing so. I made
the right decision, because most slipped boats suffer much more wear and
tear than trailered boats. When I sold Yo Ho, she brought only a couple
of thousand less than I paid for her.
Plus, the convenience wouldn't have mattered much as you didn't use the
boat much. Don't know if you ever ran into the owner of the Linda J, but he
kept his in a slip about eight slips up from the ramp. He was out about
three times a week though, and he had a 27' Judge with a little Honda 90 on
it.

Still living vicariously through the posts of others with your little
snotty comments, eh?

What was 'snotty', Harry?


D'oh. Why don't you ask me how my mom is?

Boats for the middle class.....
 

On Wed, 28 Nov 2007 15:43:18 -0500, HK wrote:

John H. wrote:
On Wed, 28 Nov 2007 14:58:57 -0500, HK wrote:

Calif Bill wrote:

Some marinas are responding by removing the smaller slips and
replacing them with new accomodations for larger boats.
Lots of the trailer size crowd also store their boats near a ramp. When you
look at the cost of leaving a boat in a slip, it is large. More bottom
paint and cleaning as well as the cost of the slip. Marina Del Rey, has
boat storage about 200 yards from the ramp. So someone can easily dump the
boat in the water for a couple hours fishing. Lots of ramp areas do the
same thing, nearby storage.



The marina where I keep son of Yo Ho has about 120 slips, which rent for
about $2000 to $3000 for the April 1 through 30 November season, and
includes water and "reasonable" electric. All the slips usually are
filled, and sometimes there is a waiting list. Aside from larger charter
fishing boats, most of the slips have boats 30' or less in them, and
while I haven't counted noses, I would guess most of the slipped boats
are 22' to 27' long.

There's also trailerboat parking on the site for I'd guess 400 to 500
boats. The fee will be $600 a season, and includes unlimited use of two
nicely maintained concrete boat ramps. Winter storage from 1 December to
31 March is $250. For non-storage customers, the ramp fee is now $10 a pop.

It's a pretty laid-back place.

I considered slipping the original Yo Ho there, because I thought the
convenience would outweigh the cost, but I ended up not doing so. I made
the right decision, because most slipped boats suffer much more wear and
tear than trailered boats. When I sold Yo Ho, she brought only a couple
of thousand less than I paid for her.

Plus, the convenience wouldn't have mattered much as you didn't use the
boat much. Don't know if you ever ran into the owner of the Linda J, but he
kept his in a slip about eight slips up from the ramp. He was out about
three times a week though, and he had a 27' Judge with a little Honda 90 on
it.


Still living vicariously through the posts of others with your little
snotty comments, eh?

What was 'snotty', Harry?
--
John H

Boats for the middle class.....
 

John H. wrote:
On Wed, 28 Nov 2007 15:45:18 -0500, HK wrote:

John H. wrote:
On Wed, 28 Nov 2007 15:43:18 -0500, HK wrote:

John H. wrote:
On Wed, 28 Nov 2007 14:58:57 -0500, HK wrote:

Calif Bill wrote:

Some marinas are responding by removing the smaller slips and
replacing them with new accomodations for larger boats.
Lots of the trailer size crowd also store their boats near a ramp. When you
look at the cost of leaving a boat in a slip, it is large. More bottom
paint and cleaning as well as the cost of the slip. Marina Del Rey, has
boat storage about 200 yards from the ramp. So someone can easily dump the
boat in the water for a couple hours fishing. Lots of ramp areas do the
same thing, nearby storage.


The marina where I keep son of Yo Ho has about 120 slips, which rent for
about $2000 to $3000 for the April 1 through 30 November season, and
includes water and "reasonable" electric. All the slips usually are
filled, and sometimes there is a waiting list. Aside from larger charter
fishing boats, most of the slips have boats 30' or less in them, and
while I haven't counted noses, I would guess most of the slipped boats
are 22' to 27' long.

There's also trailerboat parking on the site for I'd guess 400 to 500
boats. The fee will be $600 a season, and includes unlimited use of two
nicely maintained concrete boat ramps. Winter storage from 1 December to
31 March is $250. For non-storage customers, the ramp fee is now $10 a pop.

It's a pretty laid-back place.

I considered slipping the original Yo Ho there, because I thought the
convenience would outweigh the cost, but I ended up not doing so. I made
the right decision, because most slipped boats suffer much more wear and
tear than trailered boats. When I sold Yo Ho, she brought only a couple
of thousand less than I paid for her.
Plus, the convenience wouldn't have mattered much as you didn't use the
boat much. Don't know if you ever ran into the owner of the Linda J, but he
kept his in a slip about eight slips up from the ramp. He was out about
three times a week though, and he had a 27' Judge with a little Honda 90 on
it.
Still living vicariously through the posts of others with your little
snotty comments, eh?
What was 'snotty', Harry?

D'oh. Why don't you ask me how my mom is?

How's your mom, Harry?

Harry, did you think the comment that you didn't use your boat much was
'snotty'? I'm sorry if that upset you. You're the one that told us how much
you used it. I can't understand why you'd take offense at such a thing.


As previously stated, all you do here is live vicariously through the
lives of others. Get a life of your own.

How's your daughter?

Boats for the middle class.....
 

On Wed, 28 Nov 2007 15:45:18 -0500, HK wrote:

John H. wrote:
On Wed, 28 Nov 2007 15:43:18 -0500, HK wrote:

John H. wrote:
On Wed, 28 Nov 2007 14:58:57 -0500, HK wrote:

Calif Bill wrote:

Some marinas are responding by removing the smaller slips and
replacing them with new accomodations for larger boats.
Lots of the trailer size crowd also store their boats near a ramp. When you
look at the cost of leaving a boat in a slip, it is large. More bottom
paint and cleaning as well as the cost of the slip. Marina Del Rey, has
boat storage about 200 yards from the ramp. So someone can easily dump the
boat in the water for a couple hours fishing. Lots of ramp areas do the
same thing, nearby storage.


The marina where I keep son of Yo Ho has about 120 slips, which rent for
about $2000 to $3000 for the April 1 through 30 November season, and
includes water and "reasonable" electric. All the slips usually are
filled, and sometimes there is a waiting list. Aside from larger charter
fishing boats, most of the slips have boats 30' or less in them, and
while I haven't counted noses, I would guess most of the slipped boats
are 22' to 27' long.

There's also trailerboat parking on the site for I'd guess 400 to 500
boats. The fee will be $600 a season, and includes unlimited use of two
nicely maintained concrete boat ramps. Winter storage from 1 December to
31 March is $250. For non-storage customers, the ramp fee is now $10 a pop.

It's a pretty laid-back place.

I considered slipping the original Yo Ho there, because I thought the
convenience would outweigh the cost, but I ended up not doing so. I made
the right decision, because most slipped boats suffer much more wear and
tear than trailered boats. When I sold Yo Ho, she brought only a couple
of thousand less than I paid for her.
Plus, the convenience wouldn't have mattered much as you didn't use the
boat much. Don't know if you ever ran into the owner of the Linda J, but he
kept his in a slip about eight slips up from the ramp. He was out about
three times a week though, and he had a 27' Judge with a little Honda 90 on
it.

Still living vicariously through the posts of others with your little
snotty comments, eh?

What was 'snotty', Harry?


D'oh. Why don't you ask me how my mom is?

How's your mom, Harry?

Harry, did you think the comment that you didn't use your boat much was
'snotty'? I'm sorry if that upset you. You're the one that told us how much
you used it. I can't understand why you'd take offense at such a thing.
--
John H

Boats for the middle class.....
 

On Wed, 28 Nov 2007 16:04:30 -0500, HK wrote:

John H. wrote:
On Wed, 28 Nov 2007 15:45:18 -0500, HK wrote:

John H. wrote:
On Wed, 28 Nov 2007 15:43:18 -0500, HK wrote:

John H. wrote:
On Wed, 28 Nov 2007 14:58:57 -0500, HK wrote:

Calif Bill wrote:

Some marinas are responding by removing the smaller slips and
replacing them with new accomodations for larger boats.
Lots of the trailer size crowd also store their boats near a ramp. When you
look at the cost of leaving a boat in a slip, it is large. More bottom
paint and cleaning as well as the cost of the slip. Marina Del Rey, has
boat storage about 200 yards from the ramp. So someone can easily dump the
boat in the water for a couple hours fishing. Lots of ramp areas do the
same thing, nearby storage.


The marina where I keep son of Yo Ho has about 120 slips, which rent for
about $2000 to $3000 for the April 1 through 30 November season, and
includes water and "reasonable" electric. All the slips usually are
filled, and sometimes there is a waiting list. Aside from larger charter
fishing boats, most of the slips have boats 30' or less in them, and
while I haven't counted noses, I would guess most of the slipped boats
are 22' to 27' long.

There's also trailerboat parking on the site for I'd guess 400 to 500
boats. The fee will be $600 a season, and includes unlimited use of two
nicely maintained concrete boat ramps. Winter storage from 1 December to
31 March is $250. For non-storage customers, the ramp fee is now $10 a pop.

It's a pretty laid-back place.

I considered slipping the original Yo Ho there, because I thought the
convenience would outweigh the cost, but I ended up not doing so. I made
the right decision, because most slipped boats suffer much more wear and
tear than trailered boats. When I sold Yo Ho, she brought only a couple
of thousand less than I paid for her.
Plus, the convenience wouldn't have mattered much as you didn't use the
boat much. Don't know if you ever ran into the owner of the Linda J, but he
kept his in a slip about eight slips up from the ramp. He was out about
three times a week though, and he had a 27' Judge with a little Honda 90 on
it.
Still living vicariously through the posts of others with your little
snotty comments, eh?
What was 'snotty', Harry?

D'oh. Why don't you ask me how my mom is?

How's your mom, Harry?

Harry, did you think the comment that you didn't use your boat much was
'snotty'? I'm sorry if that upset you. You're the one that told us how much
you used it. I can't understand why you'd take offense at such a thing.


As previously stated, all you do here is live vicariously through the
lives of others. Get a life of your own.

How's your daughter?

If you're referring to the one with the breast cancer, she just had a
digital mammogram (don't even ask), and the results came back showing
nothing to worry about.

The younger daughter was found with a small lump witch has been biopsied.
The results aren't back yet. We're keeping our fingers crossed.

Thanks for your concern.
--
John H