Boats for the middle class.....
 

We often hear people lament that boat manufacturers have "priced the
middle class" out of boating. Not neccessarily, at least according to
a piece that's running in the Washington Post. The author cites a New
York economics professor who assigns "upper middle class" status to
families with incomes up to $300k a year and remarks that "rich" in
the US these days is a status that requires a $300k annual income
*and* a net worth in excess of $10mm. While the economics professor
confirms that less than 1% of Americans enjoy a net worth in excess of
$10mm, enough are earning $200-300k family incomes that the category
represents the upper portion of the middle class.

Intersting article. But be forewarned, the article quotes some of the
current candidates for POTUS.....and I'm trying to jump start an
economic discussion, *not* a political one. :-) My favorite line in
the article is the reference to "suburban families burning through
$200k a year yet still worrying about how to pay the orthodontist."

http://blog.washingtonpost.com/achen...dle_class.html

With a little bit of budgeting, it would seem reasonable that most
families could justify spending 6-month's income on a used boat or
perhaps a year's income on a new one; providing they have the cash
flow to support it and keep it long enough for the annual depreciation
to drop to a workable average. With that in mind, the "upper middle
class" should be able to afford many of the boats that we see with six
figure pricing attached.

If there are 100 million family wage earning units in the US and 1/2
of one percent of those units earn $300k per year *and* have net
assets over $10mm, that still leaves a group of 500,000 families that,
if interested in boating, could realistically aspire to own a $1mm
boat. I'd be very surprised to learn that the entire boating industry
sells (in the US) over 1000-1500 new boats each year priced above
$1mm. That's definitely beyond a "middle class" boat, and beyond even
an "upper middle class" financial profile, but there are a lot of
folks in the next category or so down, and a lot of nice boats still
available for 6, rather than 7-figure price tags.

So as astonishingly high as new boat prices often seem to be,
according to at least some economists the potential market is there
for the products.

Boats for the middle class.....
 

Chuck Gould wrote:

So as astonishingly high as new boat prices often seem to be,
according to at least some economists the potential market is there
for the products.

Potential and actual are not one and the same. How many boats are
purchased new each year in the 6 figure price range and what is the
annual income of the "family" making the purchase? Purchases by
business' can be thrown out immediately.

Boats for the middle class.....
 

Chuck Gould wrote:
We often hear people lament that boat manufacturers have "priced the
middle class" out of boating. Not neccessarily, at least according to
a piece that's running in the Washington Post. The author cites a New
York economics professor who assigns "upper middle class" status to
families with incomes up to $300k a year and remarks that "rich" in
the US these days is a status that requires a $300k annual income
*and* a net worth in excess of $10mm. While the economics professor
confirms that less than 1% of Americans enjoy a net worth in excess of
$10mm, enough are earning $200-300k family incomes that the category
represents the upper portion of the middle class.

Intersting article. But be forewarned, the article quotes some of the
current candidates for POTUS.....and I'm trying to jump start an
economic discussion, *not* a political one. :-) My favorite line in
the article is the reference to "suburban families burning through
$200k a year yet still worrying about how to pay the orthodontist."

http://blog.washingtonpost.com/achen...dle_class.html

With a little bit of budgeting, it would seem reasonable that most
families could justify spending 6-month's income on a used boat or
perhaps a year's income on a new one; providing they have the cash
flow to support it and keep it long enough for the annual depreciation
to drop to a workable average. With that in mind, the "upper middle
class" should be able to afford many of the boats that we see with six
figure pricing attached.

If there are 100 million family wage earning units in the US and 1/2
of one percent of those units earn $300k per year *and* have net
assets over $10mm, that still leaves a group of 500,000 families that,
if interested in boating, could realistically aspire to own a $1mm
boat. I'd be very surprised to learn that the entire boating industry
sells (in the US) over 1000-1500 new boats each year priced above
$1mm. That's definitely beyond a "middle class" boat, and beyond even
an "upper middle class" financial profile, but there are a lot of
folks in the next category or so down, and a lot of nice boats still
available for 6, rather than 7-figure price tags.

So as astonishingly high as new boat prices often seem to be,
according to at least some economists the potential market is there
for the products.


"With a little bit of budgeting, it would seem reasonable that most
families could justify spending 6-month's income on a used boat or
perhaps a year's income on a new one."


Only if they are insane.

Boats for the middle class.....
 

On Nov 27, 8:15�am, BAR wrote:
Chuck Gould wrote:

So as astonishingly high as new boat prices often seem to be,
according to at least some economists the potential market is there
for the products.

Potential and actual are not one and the same. How many boats are
purchased new each year in the 6 figure price range and what is the
annual income of the "family" making the purchase? Purchases by
business' can be thrown out immediately.

As I stated, I don't have the actual numbers but I would be surprised
to learn that more than 1000-1500 new boats priced much over $1mm are
sold in the US each year.

As far as "how many 6-figure boats" are sold, that's pretty easy to
develop. Take the total number of new boats sold each year, and
multiply by about 20%. That would elminate the roughly 80% of new
boats that are inflatables, rowing or sailing dinghies, small
runabouts, etc and leave only larger power and sailboats. Some of the
larger boats might sell for just under $100k, but some of the
runabouts can get over the same amount- so my horseback guess would be
that somewhere near 1/5 of all new boats sold sell for 6-figure prices
or more. New boats well under 30-feet routinely break the 6-figure
price "barrier" these days, so it's not just the elite yachtsman or
woman paying a year's wages for a new boat.

Boats for the middle class.....
 

On Tue, 27 Nov 2007 11:27:26 -0500, HK wrote:



Only if they are insane.

What's a good pilot house Parker with twin OBs selling for these days?

Boats for the middle class.....
 

On Tue, 27 Nov 2007 07:34:28 -0800 (PST), Chuck Gould
wrote:

We often hear people lament that boat manufacturers have "priced the
middle class" out of boating. Not neccessarily, at least according to
a piece that's running in the Washington Post. The author cites a New
York economics professor who assigns "upper middle class" status to
families with incomes up to $300k a year and remarks that "rich" in
the US these days is a status that requires a $300k annual income
*and* a net worth in excess of $10mm. While the economics professor
confirms that less than 1% of Americans enjoy a net worth in excess of
$10mm, enough are earning $200-300k family incomes that the category
represents the upper portion of the middle class.

Intersting article. But be forewarned, the article quotes some of the
current candidates for POTUS.....and I'm trying to jump start an
economic discussion, *not* a political one. :-) My favorite line in
the article is the reference to "suburban families burning through
$200k a year yet still worrying about how to pay the orthodontist."

http://blog.washingtonpost.com/achen...dle_class.html

With a little bit of budgeting, it would seem reasonable that most
families could justify spending 6-month's income on a used boat or
perhaps a year's income on a new one; providing they have the cash
flow to support it and keep it long enough for the annual depreciation
to drop to a workable average. With that in mind, the "upper middle
class" should be able to afford many of the boats that we see with six
figure pricing attached.

If there are 100 million family wage earning units in the US and 1/2
of one percent of those units earn $300k per year *and* have net
assets over $10mm, that still leaves a group of 500,000 families that,
if interested in boating, could realistically aspire to own a $1mm
boat. I'd be very surprised to learn that the entire boating industry
sells (in the US) over 1000-1500 new boats each year priced above
$1mm. That's definitely beyond a "middle class" boat, and beyond even
an "upper middle class" financial profile, but there are a lot of
folks in the next category or so down, and a lot of nice boats still
available for 6, rather than 7-figure price tags.

So as astonishingly high as new boat prices often seem to be,
according to at least some economists the potential market is there
for the products.

Hey, I got one of the nicest boats mentioned in the group for 5 figures! Of
course, it doesn't have a low transom, but what the hey!
--
John H

Boats for the middle class.....
 

Wayne.B wrote:
On Tue, 27 Nov 2007 11:27:26 -0500, HK wrote:


Only if they are insane.

What's a good pilot house Parker with twin OBs selling for these days?



I'd guess a 25-footer with twins would run $90,000 before you got out
the door.

Boats for the middle class.....
 

HK wrote:
Wayne.B wrote:
On Tue, 27 Nov 2007 11:27:26 -0500, HK wrote:


Only if they are insane.

What's a good pilot house Parker with twin OBs selling for these days?



I'd guess a 25-footer with twins would run $90,000 before you got out
the door.

If I am not mistaken, the 25' does not include the LT package, is that
correct?

Boats for the middle class.....
 

Reginald Smithers III wrote:
HK wrote:
Wayne.B wrote:
On Tue, 27 Nov 2007 11:27:26 -0500, HK wrote:


Only if they are insane.

What's a good pilot house Parker with twin OBs selling for these days?



I'd guess a 25-footer with twins would run $90,000 before you got out
the door.

If I am not mistaken, the 25' does not include the LT package, is that
correct?


Until recently, Parker offered 25-footers without transom brackets, and
it still offers 18-23 footers without brackets, as do many other
manufacturers of quality boats. Why this should concern you, a
non-boater who plies the waters of Lake Lanier in his imaginary
Bayliner, is a mystery.

Boats for the middle class.....
 

Gene Kearns wrote:
On Tue, 27 Nov 2007 11:27:26 -0500, HK penned the following well
considered thoughts to the readers of rec.boats:

"With a little bit of budgeting, it would seem reasonable that most
families could justify spending 6-month's income on a used boat or
perhaps a year's income on a new one."


Only if they are insane.

In 2006, the median annual household income according to the US Census
Bureau was determined to be $48,201.00.

Maybe a 245 Bayliner Cruiser for 50K?

Maybe 3 families could go together and buy a 28' Mako.... 106K on sale
at Bass Pro....


Nah.........




I've always thought expensive, depreciating toys should be purchased
with "loose cash," and not with loans, or with a critical savings
account. I get a big chuckle out of some of the ads I see for very
expensive boats that tout that you can buy one for only $XXX a month for
36 months, and then, of course, you have 20 years of payments left at
$ZZZZ a month. What a nightmare.

Boats for the middle class.....
 

On Tue, 27 Nov 2007 17:28:14 -0500, Gene Kearns
wrote:

On Tue, 27 Nov 2007 11:27:26 -0500, HK penned the following well
considered thoughts to the readers of rec.boats:

"With a little bit of budgeting, it would seem reasonable that most
families could justify spending 6-month's income on a used boat or
perhaps a year's income on a new one."


Only if they are insane.

In 2006, the median annual household income according to the US Census
Bureau was determined to be $48,201.00.

Maybe a 245 Bayliner Cruiser for 50K?

Maybe 3 families could go together and buy a 28' Mako.... 106K on sale
at Bass Pro....


Nah.........

Yes, but what was the mean?
--
John H

Boats for the middle class.....
 

On Nov 27, 11:43 am, Wayne.B wrote:
On Tue, 27 Nov 2007 11:27:26 -0500, HK wrote:

Only if they are insane.

What's a good pilot house Parker with twin OBs selling for these days?

retail or salvage?

Boats for the middle class.....
 

On Nov 27, 2:28�pm, Gene Kearns
wrote:
On Tue, 27 Nov 2007 11:27:26 -0500, HK penned the following well
considered thoughts to the readers of rec.boats:

"With a little bit of budgeting, it would seem reasonable that most
families could justify spending 6-month's income on a used boat or
perhaps a year's income on a new one."

Only if they are insane.

In 2006, the median annual household income according to the US Census
Bureau was determined to be $48,201.00.

Maybe a 245 Bayliner Cruiser for 50K?

Maybe 3 families could go together and buy a 28' Mako.... 106K on sale
at Bass Pro....

Nah.........

--

Grady-White Gulfstream, out of Oak Island, NC.

Homepagehttp://pamandgene.idleplay.net/� � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � �

Rec.boats at Lee Yeaton's Bayguidehttp://www.thebayguide.com/rec.boats� � � � � � � � � � � � � � �

I suspect that if we further qualified beyond just "median household
income for Americans" to "median household income for Americans likely
to purchase a boat of any kind" the number would go up.

That 40-some thousand figure includes tens of millions of retirees,
and some of them rather nicely on assets rather than income. "Income"
might be limited to $3000 a month in social security payments, but if
that can be supplemented with another few thousand from savings, muni
bonds, a "reverse mortgage" etc they are living a lot better than a
family where two wage earners are grossing $9 an hour each.

The low figure also includes students working part time, as well as
all the burger-flippers, hotel maids, and other workers who are
literally "subsisting" rather than earning a living wage.

Boats for the middle class.....
 

Chuck Gould wrote:
On Nov 27, 2:28�pm, Gene Kearns
wrote:
On Tue, 27 Nov 2007 11:27:26 -0500, HK penned the following well
considered thoughts to the readers of rec.boats:

"With a little bit of budgeting, it would seem reasonable that most
families could justify spending 6-month's income on a used boat or
perhaps a year's income on a new one."
Only if they are insane.
In 2006, the median annual household income according to the US Census
Bureau was determined to be $48,201.00.

Maybe a 245 Bayliner Cruiser for 50K?

Maybe 3 families could go together and buy a 28' Mako.... 106K on sale
at Bass Pro....

Nah.........

--

Grady-White Gulfstream, out of Oak Island, NC.

Homepagehttp://pamandgene.idleplay.net/� � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � �

Rec.boats at Lee Yeaton's Bayguidehttp://www.thebayguide.com/rec.boats� � � � � � � � � � � � � � �

I suspect that if we further qualified beyond just "median household
income for Americans" to "median household income for Americans likely
to purchase a boat of any kind" the number would go up.

That 40-some thousand figure includes tens of millions of retirees,
and some of them rather nicely on assets rather than income. "Income"
might be limited to $3000 a month in social security payments, but if
that can be supplemented with another few thousand from savings, muni
bonds, a "reverse mortgage" etc they are living a lot better than a
family where two wage earners are grossing $9 an hour each.

The low figure also includes students working part time, as well as
all the burger-flippers, hotel maids, and other workers who are
literally "subsisting" rather than earning a living wage.


With fuel at the boat dock heading towards $4.00 a gallon, I don't see a
great future for boats in the mid to upper "fuel burn" ranges.

Boats for the middle class.....
 

On Nov 27, 4:57Â*pm, HK wrote:
Chuck Gould wrote:
On Nov 27, 2:28�pm, Gene Kearns
wrote:
On Tue, 27 Nov 2007 11:27:26 -0500, HK penned the following well
considered thoughts to the readers of rec.boats:

"With a little bit of budgeting, it would seem reasonable that most
families could justify spending 6-month's income on a used boat or
perhaps a year's income on a new one."
Only if they are insane.
In 2006, the median annual household income according to the US Census
Bureau was determined to be $48,201.00.

Maybe a 245 Bayliner Cruiser for 50K?

Maybe 3 families could go together and buy a 28' Mako.... 106K on sale
at Bass Pro....

Nah.........

--

Grady-White Gulfstream, out of Oak Island, NC.

Homepagehttp://pamandgene.idleplay.net/�� � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � �

Rec.boats at Lee Yeaton's Bayguidehttp://www.thebayguide.com/rec.boats�� � � � � � � � � � � � � �

I suspect that if we further qualified beyond just "median household
income for Americans" to "median household income for Americans likely
to purchase a boat of any kind" the number would go up.

That 40-some thousand figure includes tens of millions of retirees,
and some of them rather nicely on assets rather than income. "Income"
might be limited to $3000 a month in social security payments, but if
that can be supplemented with another few thousand from savings, muni
bonds, a "reverse mortgage" etc they are living a lot better than a
family where two wage earners are grossing $9 an hour each.

The low figure also includes students working part time, as well as
all the burger-flippers, hotel maids, and other workers who are
literally "subsisting" rather than earning a living wage.

With fuel at the boat dock heading towards $4.00 a gallon, I don't see a
great future for boats in the mid to upper "fuel burn" ranges.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

I'd say the twin big-block gas boat is probably done, or nearly so.
Agreed. At these big dollars for fuel, the old bromide "You'll never
save enough in fuel to offset the cost of a diesel engine" is now even
less true than it used to be.

The cost of fuel is more likely to deter new people from taking up the
sport than keep existing boaters off the water. Folks who don't have a
boat now probably imagine that fuel is a relatively major expediture
in the overall scheme of owning a powerboat. Those of us who already
boat know that fuel can be a significant number, but in the grand
scheme of things it is often far from the largest boating related
expense.

Boats for the middle class.....
 

Chuck Gould wrote:
On Nov 27, 4:57 pm, HK wrote:
Chuck Gould wrote:
On Nov 27, 2:28�pm, Gene Kearns
wrote:
On Tue, 27 Nov 2007 11:27:26 -0500, HK penned the following well
considered thoughts to the readers of rec.boats:
"With a little bit of budgeting, it would seem reasonable that most
families could justify spending 6-month's income on a used boat or
perhaps a year's income on a new one."
Only if they are insane.
In 2006, the median annual household income according to the US Census
Bureau was determined to be $48,201.00.
Maybe a 245 Bayliner Cruiser for 50K?
Maybe 3 families could go together and buy a 28' Mako.... 106K on sale
at Bass Pro....
Nah.........
--
Grady-White Gulfstream, out of Oak Island, NC.
Homepagehttp://pamandgene.idleplay.net/�� � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � �
Rec.boats at Lee Yeaton's Bayguidehttp://www.thebayguide.com/rec.boats�� � � � � � � � � � � � � �
I suspect that if we further qualified beyond just "median household
income for Americans" to "median household income for Americans likely
to purchase a boat of any kind" the number would go up.
That 40-some thousand figure includes tens of millions of retirees,
and some of them rather nicely on assets rather than income. "Income"
might be limited to $3000 a month in social security payments, but if
that can be supplemented with another few thousand from savings, muni
bonds, a "reverse mortgage" etc they are living a lot better than a
family where two wage earners are grossing $9 an hour each.
The low figure also includes students working part time, as well as
all the burger-flippers, hotel maids, and other workers who are
literally "subsisting" rather than earning a living wage.
With fuel at the boat dock heading towards $4.00 a gallon, I don't see a
great future for boats in the mid to upper "fuel burn" ranges.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

I'd say the twin big-block gas boat is probably done, or nearly so.
Agreed. At these big dollars for fuel, the old bromide "You'll never
save enough in fuel to offset the cost of a diesel engine" is now even
less true than it used to be.

The cost of fuel is more likely to deter new people from taking up the
sport than keep existing boaters off the water. Folks who don't have a
boat now probably imagine that fuel is a relatively major expediture
in the overall scheme of owning a powerboat. Those of us who already
boat know that fuel can be a significant number, but in the grand
scheme of things it is often far from the largest boating related
expense.



Speaking of cost, the guy who shrinkwrapped Yo Ho for me did the job for
a little more than half what the dealer charges. He did a fine job. Cost
me $165 instead of $300.

Boats for the middle class.....
 

"Chuck Gould" wrote in message
...
On Nov 27, 4:57 pm, HK wrote:
Chuck Gould wrote:
On Nov 27, 2:28?pm, Gene Kearns
wrote:
On Tue, 27 Nov 2007 11:27:26 -0500, HK penned the following well
considered thoughts to the readers of rec.boats:

"With a little bit of budgeting, it would seem reasonable that most
families could justify spending 6-month's income on a used boat or
perhaps a year's income on a new one."
Only if they are insane.
In 2006, the median annual household income according to the US Census
Bureau was determined to be $48,201.00.

Maybe a 245 Bayliner Cruiser for 50K?

Maybe 3 families could go together and buy a 28' Mako.... 106K on sale
at Bass Pro....

Nah.........

--

Grady-White Gulfstream, out of Oak Island, NC.

Homepagehttp://pamandgene.idleplay.net/?? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?
? ? ? ?

Rec.boats at Lee Yeaton's
Bayguidehttp://www.thebayguide.com/rec.boats?? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?
?

I suspect that if we further qualified beyond just "median household
income for Americans" to "median household income for Americans likely
to purchase a boat of any kind" the number would go up.

That 40-some thousand figure includes tens of millions of retirees,
and some of them rather nicely on assets rather than income. "Income"
might be limited to $3000 a month in social security payments, but if
that can be supplemented with another few thousand from savings, muni
bonds, a "reverse mortgage" etc they are living a lot better than a
family where two wage earners are grossing $9 an hour each.

The low figure also includes students working part time, as well as
all the burger-flippers, hotel maids, and other workers who are
literally "subsisting" rather than earning a living wage.

With fuel at the boat dock heading towards $4.00 a gallon, I don't see a
great future for boats in the mid to upper "fuel burn" ranges.- Hide
quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

I'd say the twin big-block gas boat is probably done, or nearly so.
Agreed. At these big dollars for fuel, the old bromide "You'll never
save enough in fuel to offset the cost of a diesel engine" is now even
less true than it used to be.

The cost of fuel is more likely to deter new people from taking up the
sport than keep existing boaters off the water. Folks who don't have a
boat now probably imagine that fuel is a relatively major expediture
in the overall scheme of owning a powerboat. Those of us who already
boat know that fuel can be a significant number, but in the grand
scheme of things it is often far from the largest boating related
expense.

For a lot of boats it is a major part of the expense. Those $35k-50K
tourny skiboats are going to burn a couple of hundred bucks of gas a
weekend, and maybe a day. These boats are owned by a lot of the 20
somethings that may be able to afford the bucks for gas. But when you are
spending $3-500 a weekend for fuel, that is coming close to the payments on
the boat. And of the skiers hit it 10 weekends a year, that $3-5000 will be
at least 50% of the boating costs, plus add in the beer and food, as well as
tow costs. Only the upper level blue and white collar workers are going to
be able to afford this type boating. The 20% or so of the boaters in the
country, the fuel costs of getting the fishing hole with the 12-16' fishing
boat is going to be 10-20x the fuel costs for a day of fishing. And with a
median income of $42k, that means there are a vast majority of the people
that can not afford the ski and offshore boats. There at percentage wise,
not that many people making $300k a year, and how many of those want to
boat? They may be more likely to buy an RV or fly to a destination resort.

Boats for the middle class.....
 

Boats for the middle class.....
 

HK wrote:



Speaking of cost, the guy who shrinkwrapped Yo Ho for me did the job for
a little more than half what the dealer charges. He did a fine job. Cost
me $165 instead of $300.

Of course, he didn't have any overhead. In the past you always promoted
the concept of paying the extra money to the dealer. What happened?

Boats for the middle class.....
 

Reginald P. Smithers III wrote:
HK wrote:



Speaking of cost, the guy who shrinkwrapped Yo Ho for me did the job
for a little more than half what the dealer charges. He did a fine
job. Cost me $165 instead of $300.

Of course, he didn't have any overhead. In the past you always promoted
the concept of paying the extra money to the dealer. What happened?





Of course he has overhead, crap-for-brains.

I don't mind paying the dealer for the mechanical expertise and parts
inventory he must carry, but activities such as "detailing" and
shrinkwrapping don't require either, and I see no reason to pay dealer
prices for them.

If you had a boat, you'd understand. But, of course, you don't.

Boats for the middle class.....
 

On Tue, 27 Nov 2007 18:12:40 -0800, "Calif Bill"
wrote:

The 20% or so of the boaters in the
country, the fuel costs of getting the fishing hole with the 12-16' fishing
boat is going to be 10-20x the fuel costs for a day of fishing.

I've had this discussion with a number of tournament types over the
past couple of weeks and their overall approach to the upcoming
southern season and next summer.

A lot of guys are going to double up and team fish.

Boats for the middle class.....
 

On Wed, 28 Nov 2007 06:17:34 -0500, HK wrote:

I don't mind paying the dealer for the mechanical expertise and parts
inventory he must carry, but activities such as "detailing" and
shrinkwrapping don't require either, and I see no reason to pay dealer
prices for them.

There is a young guy up the street from me, high school student, who
has made quite a small business out of detailing cars, boats, trucks,
etc.

A year ago, he stopped by when I was shrink wrapping the boats and
asked some questions about it. He helped me wrap the Ranger, asked
more questions and I told him - hey, simple investment, not a lot of
money involved - go mobile like your detailing business.

He's doing quite well with it. He hired three of his friends and they
are now doing detailing and shrink wrapping all kinds of stuff on a
mobile basis. He advertised shrink wrapping for RVs, trailers and
ended up doing a whole collection of antique tractors for a local
collector who is having a new storage/museum facility built.

When I get my Ranger back, I'm probably going to take it to him to
wrap instead of doing it myself.

Boats for the middle class.....
 

Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
On Wed, 28 Nov 2007 06:17:34 -0500, HK wrote:

I don't mind paying the dealer for the mechanical expertise and parts
inventory he must carry, but activities such as "detailing" and
shrinkwrapping don't require either, and I see no reason to pay dealer
prices for them.

There is a young guy up the street from me, high school student, who
has made quite a small business out of detailing cars, boats, trucks,
etc.

A year ago, he stopped by when I was shrink wrapping the boats and
asked some questions about it. He helped me wrap the Ranger, asked
more questions and I told him - hey, simple investment, not a lot of
money involved - go mobile like your detailing business.

He's doing quite well with it. He hired three of his friends and they
are now doing detailing and shrink wrapping all kinds of stuff on a
mobile basis. He advertised shrink wrapping for RVs, trailers and
ended up doing a whole collection of antique tractors for a local
collector who is having a new storage/museum facility built.

When I get my Ranger back, I'm probably going to take it to him to
wrap instead of doing it myself.


$165 for a big 21-footer, including the lower unit of the engine ain't bad.

Do you wrap your hub, shaft, et cetera?

http://tinyurl.com/3ceco4

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HK wrote:
Reginald P. Smithers III wrote:
HK wrote:



Speaking of cost, the guy who shrinkwrapped Yo Ho for me did the job
for a little more than half what the dealer charges. He did a fine
job. Cost me $165 instead of $300.

Of course, he didn't have any overhead. In the past you always
promoted the concept of paying the extra money to the dealer. What
happened?





Of course he has overhead, crap-for-brains.

I don't mind paying the dealer for the mechanical expertise and parts
inventory he must carry, but activities such as "detailing" and
shrinkwrapping don't require either, and I see no reason to pay dealer
prices for them.

If you had a boat, you'd understand. But, of course, you don't.

I actually use my marina's boat store for 90% of my needs, but they
always meet competitive prices for parts and supplies. I do most of the
maintenance and winterization myself. I actually enjoy putzing around
on the boat, but then again, I would enjoy taking a long cruise on a
floating RV, you know a trawler.

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Reginald P. Smithers III wrote:
HK wrote:
Reginald P. Smithers III wrote:
HK wrote:



Speaking of cost, the guy who shrinkwrapped Yo Ho for me did the job
for a little more than half what the dealer charges. He did a fine
job. Cost me $165 instead of $300.

Of course, he didn't have any overhead. In the past you always
promoted the concept of paying the extra money to the dealer. What
happened?





Of course he has overhead, crap-for-brains.

I don't mind paying the dealer for the mechanical expertise and parts
inventory he must carry, but activities such as "detailing" and
shrinkwrapping don't require either, and I see no reason to pay dealer
prices for them.

If you had a boat, you'd understand. But, of course, you don't.

I actually use my marina's boat store for 90% of my needs, but they
always meet competitive prices for parts and supplies. I do most of the
maintenance and winterization myself.


More Reggie b.s.

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On Wed, 28 Nov 2007 06:17:34 -0500, HK wrote:

Reginald P. Smithers III wrote:
HK wrote:



Speaking of cost, the guy who shrinkwrapped Yo Ho for me did the job
for a little more than half what the dealer charges. He did a fine
job. Cost me $165 instead of $300.

Of course, he didn't have any overhead. In the past you always promoted
the concept of paying the extra money to the dealer. What happened?





Of course he has overhead, crap-for-brains.

I don't mind paying the dealer for the mechanical expertise and parts
inventory he must carry, but activities such as "detailing" and
shrinkwrapping don't require either, and I see no reason to pay dealer
prices for them.

If you had a boat, you'd understand. But, of course, you don't.

Is your name-calling necessary?
--
John H

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On Nov 28, 3:22�am, Short Wave Sportfishing
wrote:
On Tue, 27 Nov 2007 18:12:40 -0800, "Calif Bill"

wrote:
The 20% or so of the boaters in the
country, the fuel costs of getting the fishing hole with the 12-16' fishing
boat is going to be 10-20x the fuel costs for a day of fishing.

I've had this discussion with a number of tournament types over the
past couple of weeks and their overall approach to the upcoming
southern season and next summer.

A lot of guys are going to double up and team fish.

It would make sense that people will change some of their customary
boating practices to adapt to the higher fuel costs, but I still
predict that few people who currently boat will be driven out of the
pastime soley because gas or diesel is up a couple of dollars per
gallon.

Boats for the middle class.....
 

On Nov 28, 4:46 am, Short Wave Sportfishing
wrote:
On Wed, 28 Nov 2007 06:17:34 -0500, HK wrote:
I don't mind paying the dealer for the mechanical expertise and parts
inventory he must carry, but activities such as "detailing" and
shrinkwrapping don't require either, and I see no reason to pay dealer
prices for them.

There is a young guy up the street from me, high school student, who
has made quite a small business out of detailing cars, boats, trucks,
etc.

A year ago, he stopped by when I was shrink wrapping the boats and
asked some questions about it. He helped me wrap the Ranger, asked
more questions and I told him - hey, simple investment, not a lot of
money involved - go mobile like your detailing business.

He's doing quite well with it. He hired three of his friends and they
are now doing detailing and shrink wrapping all kinds of stuff on a
mobile basis. He advertised shrink wrapping for RVs, trailers and
ended up doing a whole collection of antique tractors for a local
collector who is having a new storage/museum facility built.

When I get my Ranger back, I'm probably going to take it to him to
wrap instead of doing it myself.

I thought he came to you, you know....."mobile basis"??

Boats for the middle class.....
 

Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:


There is a young guy up the street from me, high school student, who
has made quite a small business out of detailing cars, boats, trucks,
etc.

A year ago, he stopped by when I was shrink wrapping the boats and
asked some questions about it. He helped me wrap the Ranger, asked
more questions and I told him - hey, simple investment, not a lot of
money involved - go mobile like your detailing business.

He's doing quite well with it. He hired three of his friends and they
are now doing detailing and shrink wrapping all kinds of stuff on a
mobile basis. He advertised shrink wrapping for RVs, trailers and
ended up doing a whole collection of antique tractors for a local
collector who is having a new storage/museum facility built.

When I get my Ranger back, I'm probably going to take it to him to
wrap instead of doing it myself.

No, reading a story like that makes me proud. a young kid cutting his
own path. It's obvious that he wants to be good at what he does , and
takes pride in his work. and makes sure that his buddies do a good job
as well. I commend him!

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I would think that the reasoning behind this is that people with small
crafts are tired of paying slip fees for something mostly portable.
That's what I like about my 23'r. I can still trailer it around, and
not be stuck with slip fees and not knowing that my boat was being
watched or not. And/or the marina is finding that they can pull in
much more revenue by accomodating larger crafts with minor expansion
expense. Especially if they charge by the foot of the boat.

wrote:
On Wed, 28 Nov 2007 08:34:13 -0800 (PST), Chuck Gould
wrote:

On Nov 28, 3:22?am, Short Wave Sportfishing
wrote:
On Tue, 27 Nov 2007 18:12:40 -0800, "Calif Bill"

wrote:
The 20% or so of the boaters in the
country, the fuel costs of getting the fishing hole with the 12-16' fishing
boat is going to be 10-20x the fuel costs for a day of fishing.

I've had this discussion with a number of tournament types over the
past couple of weeks and their overall approach to the upcoming
southern season and next summer.

A lot of guys are going to double up and team fish.

It would make sense that people will change some of their customary
boating practices to adapt to the higher fuel costs, but I still
predict that few people who currently boat will be driven out of the
pastime soley because gas or diesel is up a couple of dollars per
gallon.

In my area, it was very apparent this past season that the bulk of
fishing boats from 16 to 20 feet were absent from slips. The parking
lots at area ramps were far more crowded than in the past. Seems
pretty obvious what happened.

Some marinas are responding by removing the smaller slips and
replacing them with new accomodations for larger boats.

Boats for the middle class.....
 

wrote in message
...
On Wed, 28 Nov 2007 10:38:45 -0800 (PST), Tim
wrote:

I would think that the reasoning behind this is that people with small
crafts are tired of paying slip fees for something mostly portable.
That's what I like about my 23'r. I can still trailer it around, and
not be stuck with slip fees and not knowing that my boat was being
watched or not. And/or the marina is finding that they can pull in
much more revenue by accomodating larger crafts with minor expansion
expense. Especially if they charge by the foot of the boat.


People with smaller boats keep them in slips so they can use them
more. It's really as simple as that. They like to stop by after work
during the week and go out for an hour or two. If they have to drive
home, hitch up the trailer, drive to the launch, wait in line, launch,
retrieve, etc, etc, they simply can't use the boat as often and
impulsivly. It's not that they are tired of paying, it's that they
can't afford it any longer, but they want to hang on to whatever kind
of boating lifestyle they can still manage.

When the marinas reconfigure for larger boats, it is for fewer, larger
slips in the same space as the more numerous small slips. They just
want it configured for something they can sell. The bottom line is
that the small boats are really being squeezed out by fuel costs, not
slip fees.

Bear in mind that most people with these small boats are at the lower
end of the financial spectrum compared with the big boat owners. Fuel
costs hit them a lot harder. You could even argue that the big boys
don't really feel the fuel price increases much at all. They don't
have to chose between fuel and a slip. They just write a check and
enjoy themselves.

My boat is too large to trailer. I could save a lot by putting my boat
on a mooring, but like trailering, it would seriously curtail my use
and enjoyment of the boat. I want to use it as much as possible, and I
can afford it, so I pay for a slip. Not everyone is in that position.

Blue collar boaters could really use a break. They need it.



wrote:
On Wed, 28 Nov 2007 08:34:13 -0800 (PST), Chuck Gould
wrote:

On Nov 28, 3:22?am, Short Wave Sportfishing
wrote:
On Tue, 27 Nov 2007 18:12:40 -0800, "Calif Bill"

wrote:
The 20% or so of the boaters in the
country, the fuel costs of getting the fishing hole with the 12-16'
fishing
boat is going to be 10-20x the fuel costs for a day of fishing.

I've had this discussion with a number of tournament types over the
past couple of weeks and their overall approach to the upcoming
southern season and next summer.

A lot of guys are going to double up and team fish.

It would make sense that people will change some of their customary
boating practices to adapt to the higher fuel costs, but I still
predict that few people who currently boat will be driven out of the
pastime soley because gas or diesel is up a couple of dollars per
gallon.

In my area, it was very apparent this past season that the bulk of
fishing boats from 16 to 20 feet were absent from slips. The parking
lots at area ramps were far more crowded than in the past. Seems
pretty obvious what happened.

Some marinas are responding by removing the smaller slips and
replacing them with new accomodations for larger boats.


Lots of the trailer size crowd also store their boats near a ramp. When you
look at the cost of leaving a boat in a slip, it is large. More bottom
paint and cleaning as well as the cost of the slip. Marina Del Rey, has
boat storage about 200 yards from the ramp. So someone can easily dump the
boat in the water for a couple hours fishing. Lots of ramp areas do the
same thing, nearby storage.

Boats for the middle class.....
 

Calif Bill wrote:


Some marinas are responding by removing the smaller slips and
replacing them with new accomodations for larger boats.

Lots of the trailer size crowd also store their boats near a ramp. When you
look at the cost of leaving a boat in a slip, it is large. More bottom
paint and cleaning as well as the cost of the slip. Marina Del Rey, has
boat storage about 200 yards from the ramp. So someone can easily dump the
boat in the water for a couple hours fishing. Lots of ramp areas do the
same thing, nearby storage.




The marina where I keep son of Yo Ho has about 120 slips, which rent for
about $2000 to $3000 for the April 1 through 30 November season, and
includes water and "reasonable" electric. All the slips usually are
filled, and sometimes there is a waiting list. Aside from larger charter
fishing boats, most of the slips have boats 30' or less in them, and
while I haven't counted noses, I would guess most of the slipped boats
are 22' to 27' long.

There's also trailerboat parking on the site for I'd guess 400 to 500
boats. The fee will be $600 a season, and includes unlimited use of two
nicely maintained concrete boat ramps. Winter storage from 1 December to
31 March is $250. For non-storage customers, the ramp fee is now $10 a pop.

It's a pretty laid-back place.

I considered slipping the original Yo Ho there, because I thought the
convenience would outweigh the cost, but I ended up not doing so. I made
the right decision, because most slipped boats suffer much more wear and
tear than trailered boats. When I sold Yo Ho, she brought only a couple
of thousand less than I paid for her.

Boats for the middle class.....
 

On Wed, 28 Nov 2007 19:57:46 GMT, wrote:

On Wed, 28 Nov 2007 11:47:22 -0800, "Calif Bill"
wrote:


Lots of the trailer size crowd also store their boats near a ramp. When you
look at the cost of leaving a boat in a slip, it is large. More bottom
paint and cleaning as well as the cost of the slip. Marina Del Rey, has
boat storage about 200 yards from the ramp. So someone can easily dump the
boat in the water for a couple hours fishing. Lots of ramp areas do the
same thing, nearby storage.

That is clearly not what is happening around here, Bill. Up until this
year, the "trailer sized" slips were all occupied, and there were
waiting lists. Those smaller slips were mostly vacant this year. It
was a huge and abrupt change.

They still insisting that you buy 25' of space for 20' boats?

That seems to be the norm around the Mystic area and northwards.

Boats for the middle class.....
 

John H. wrote:
On Wed, 28 Nov 2007 14:58:57 -0500, HK wrote:

Calif Bill wrote:

Some marinas are responding by removing the smaller slips and
replacing them with new accomodations for larger boats.
Lots of the trailer size crowd also store their boats near a ramp. When you
look at the cost of leaving a boat in a slip, it is large. More bottom
paint and cleaning as well as the cost of the slip. Marina Del Rey, has
boat storage about 200 yards from the ramp. So someone can easily dump the
boat in the water for a couple hours fishing. Lots of ramp areas do the
same thing, nearby storage.



The marina where I keep son of Yo Ho has about 120 slips, which rent for
about $2000 to $3000 for the April 1 through 30 November season, and
includes water and "reasonable" electric. All the slips usually are
filled, and sometimes there is a waiting list. Aside from larger charter
fishing boats, most of the slips have boats 30' or less in them, and
while I haven't counted noses, I would guess most of the slipped boats
are 22' to 27' long.

There's also trailerboat parking on the site for I'd guess 400 to 500
boats. The fee will be $600 a season, and includes unlimited use of two
nicely maintained concrete boat ramps. Winter storage from 1 December to
31 March is $250. For non-storage customers, the ramp fee is now $10 a pop.

It's a pretty laid-back place.

I considered slipping the original Yo Ho there, because I thought the
convenience would outweigh the cost, but I ended up not doing so. I made
the right decision, because most slipped boats suffer much more wear and
tear than trailered boats. When I sold Yo Ho, she brought only a couple
of thousand less than I paid for her.

Plus, the convenience wouldn't have mattered much as you didn't use the
boat much. Don't know if you ever ran into the owner of the Linda J, but he
kept his in a slip about eight slips up from the ramp. He was out about
three times a week though, and he had a 27' Judge with a little Honda 90 on
it.


Still living vicariously through the posts of others with your little
snotty comments, eh?

Boats for the middle class.....
 

On Wed, 28 Nov 2007 14:58:57 -0500, HK wrote:

Calif Bill wrote:


Some marinas are responding by removing the smaller slips and
replacing them with new accomodations for larger boats.

Lots of the trailer size crowd also store their boats near a ramp. When you
look at the cost of leaving a boat in a slip, it is large. More bottom
paint and cleaning as well as the cost of the slip. Marina Del Rey, has
boat storage about 200 yards from the ramp. So someone can easily dump the
boat in the water for a couple hours fishing. Lots of ramp areas do the
same thing, nearby storage.




The marina where I keep son of Yo Ho has about 120 slips, which rent for
about $2000 to $3000 for the April 1 through 30 November season, and
includes water and "reasonable" electric. All the slips usually are
filled, and sometimes there is a waiting list. Aside from larger charter
fishing boats, most of the slips have boats 30' or less in them, and
while I haven't counted noses, I would guess most of the slipped boats
are 22' to 27' long.

There's also trailerboat parking on the site for I'd guess 400 to 500
boats. The fee will be $600 a season, and includes unlimited use of two
nicely maintained concrete boat ramps. Winter storage from 1 December to
31 March is $250. For non-storage customers, the ramp fee is now $10 a pop.

It's a pretty laid-back place.

I considered slipping the original Yo Ho there, because I thought the
convenience would outweigh the cost, but I ended up not doing so. I made
the right decision, because most slipped boats suffer much more wear and
tear than trailered boats. When I sold Yo Ho, she brought only a couple
of thousand less than I paid for her.

Plus, the convenience wouldn't have mattered much as you didn't use the
boat much. Don't know if you ever ran into the owner of the Linda J, but he
kept his in a slip about eight slips up from the ramp. He was out about
three times a week though, and he had a 27' Judge with a little Honda 90 on
it.
--
John H

Boats for the middle class.....
 

John H. wrote:
On Wed, 28 Nov 2007 15:43:18 -0500, HK wrote:

John H. wrote:
On Wed, 28 Nov 2007 14:58:57 -0500, HK wrote:

Calif Bill wrote:

Some marinas are responding by removing the smaller slips and
replacing them with new accomodations for larger boats.
Lots of the trailer size crowd also store their boats near a ramp. When you
look at the cost of leaving a boat in a slip, it is large. More bottom
paint and cleaning as well as the cost of the slip. Marina Del Rey, has
boat storage about 200 yards from the ramp. So someone can easily dump the
boat in the water for a couple hours fishing. Lots of ramp areas do the
same thing, nearby storage.


The marina where I keep son of Yo Ho has about 120 slips, which rent for
about $2000 to $3000 for the April 1 through 30 November season, and
includes water and "reasonable" electric. All the slips usually are
filled, and sometimes there is a waiting list. Aside from larger charter
fishing boats, most of the slips have boats 30' or less in them, and
while I haven't counted noses, I would guess most of the slipped boats
are 22' to 27' long.

There's also trailerboat parking on the site for I'd guess 400 to 500
boats. The fee will be $600 a season, and includes unlimited use of two
nicely maintained concrete boat ramps. Winter storage from 1 December to
31 March is $250. For non-storage customers, the ramp fee is now $10 a pop.

It's a pretty laid-back place.

I considered slipping the original Yo Ho there, because I thought the
convenience would outweigh the cost, but I ended up not doing so. I made
the right decision, because most slipped boats suffer much more wear and
tear than trailered boats. When I sold Yo Ho, she brought only a couple
of thousand less than I paid for her.
Plus, the convenience wouldn't have mattered much as you didn't use the
boat much. Don't know if you ever ran into the owner of the Linda J, but he
kept his in a slip about eight slips up from the ramp. He was out about
three times a week though, and he had a 27' Judge with a little Honda 90 on
it.

Still living vicariously through the posts of others with your little
snotty comments, eh?

What was 'snotty', Harry?


D'oh. Why don't you ask me how my mom is?

Boats for the middle class.....
 

On Wed, 28 Nov 2007 15:43:18 -0500, HK wrote:

John H. wrote:
On Wed, 28 Nov 2007 14:58:57 -0500, HK wrote:

Calif Bill wrote:

Some marinas are responding by removing the smaller slips and
replacing them with new accomodations for larger boats.
Lots of the trailer size crowd also store their boats near a ramp. When you
look at the cost of leaving a boat in a slip, it is large. More bottom
paint and cleaning as well as the cost of the slip. Marina Del Rey, has
boat storage about 200 yards from the ramp. So someone can easily dump the
boat in the water for a couple hours fishing. Lots of ramp areas do the
same thing, nearby storage.



The marina where I keep son of Yo Ho has about 120 slips, which rent for
about $2000 to $3000 for the April 1 through 30 November season, and
includes water and "reasonable" electric. All the slips usually are
filled, and sometimes there is a waiting list. Aside from larger charter
fishing boats, most of the slips have boats 30' or less in them, and
while I haven't counted noses, I would guess most of the slipped boats
are 22' to 27' long.

There's also trailerboat parking on the site for I'd guess 400 to 500
boats. The fee will be $600 a season, and includes unlimited use of two
nicely maintained concrete boat ramps. Winter storage from 1 December to
31 March is $250. For non-storage customers, the ramp fee is now $10 a pop.

It's a pretty laid-back place.

I considered slipping the original Yo Ho there, because I thought the
convenience would outweigh the cost, but I ended up not doing so. I made
the right decision, because most slipped boats suffer much more wear and
tear than trailered boats. When I sold Yo Ho, she brought only a couple
of thousand less than I paid for her.

Plus, the convenience wouldn't have mattered much as you didn't use the
boat much. Don't know if you ever ran into the owner of the Linda J, but he
kept his in a slip about eight slips up from the ramp. He was out about
three times a week though, and he had a 27' Judge with a little Honda 90 on
it.


Still living vicariously through the posts of others with your little
snotty comments, eh?

What was 'snotty', Harry?
--
John H

Boats for the middle class.....
 

John H. wrote:
On Wed, 28 Nov 2007 15:45:18 -0500, HK wrote:

John H. wrote:
On Wed, 28 Nov 2007 15:43:18 -0500, HK wrote:

John H. wrote:
On Wed, 28 Nov 2007 14:58:57 -0500, HK wrote:

Calif Bill wrote:

Some marinas are responding by removing the smaller slips and
replacing them with new accomodations for larger boats.
Lots of the trailer size crowd also store their boats near a ramp. When you
look at the cost of leaving a boat in a slip, it is large. More bottom
paint and cleaning as well as the cost of the slip. Marina Del Rey, has
boat storage about 200 yards from the ramp. So someone can easily dump the
boat in the water for a couple hours fishing. Lots of ramp areas do the
same thing, nearby storage.


The marina where I keep son of Yo Ho has about 120 slips, which rent for
about $2000 to $3000 for the April 1 through 30 November season, and
includes water and "reasonable" electric. All the slips usually are
filled, and sometimes there is a waiting list. Aside from larger charter
fishing boats, most of the slips have boats 30' or less in them, and
while I haven't counted noses, I would guess most of the slipped boats
are 22' to 27' long.

There's also trailerboat parking on the site for I'd guess 400 to 500
boats. The fee will be $600 a season, and includes unlimited use of two
nicely maintained concrete boat ramps. Winter storage from 1 December to
31 March is $250. For non-storage customers, the ramp fee is now $10 a pop.

It's a pretty laid-back place.

I considered slipping the original Yo Ho there, because I thought the
convenience would outweigh the cost, but I ended up not doing so. I made
the right decision, because most slipped boats suffer much more wear and
tear than trailered boats. When I sold Yo Ho, she brought only a couple
of thousand less than I paid for her.
Plus, the convenience wouldn't have mattered much as you didn't use the
boat much. Don't know if you ever ran into the owner of the Linda J, but he
kept his in a slip about eight slips up from the ramp. He was out about
three times a week though, and he had a 27' Judge with a little Honda 90 on
it.
Still living vicariously through the posts of others with your little
snotty comments, eh?
What was 'snotty', Harry?

D'oh. Why don't you ask me how my mom is?

How's your mom, Harry?

Harry, did you think the comment that you didn't use your boat much was
'snotty'? I'm sorry if that upset you. You're the one that told us how much
you used it. I can't understand why you'd take offense at such a thing.


As previously stated, all you do here is live vicariously through the
lives of others. Get a life of your own.

How's your daughter?

Boats for the middle class.....
 

On Wed, 28 Nov 2007 15:45:18 -0500, HK wrote:

John H. wrote:
On Wed, 28 Nov 2007 15:43:18 -0500, HK wrote:

John H. wrote:
On Wed, 28 Nov 2007 14:58:57 -0500, HK wrote:

Calif Bill wrote:

Some marinas are responding by removing the smaller slips and
replacing them with new accomodations for larger boats.
Lots of the trailer size crowd also store their boats near a ramp. When you
look at the cost of leaving a boat in a slip, it is large. More bottom
paint and cleaning as well as the cost of the slip. Marina Del Rey, has
boat storage about 200 yards from the ramp. So someone can easily dump the
boat in the water for a couple hours fishing. Lots of ramp areas do the
same thing, nearby storage.


The marina where I keep son of Yo Ho has about 120 slips, which rent for
about $2000 to $3000 for the April 1 through 30 November season, and
includes water and "reasonable" electric. All the slips usually are
filled, and sometimes there is a waiting list. Aside from larger charter
fishing boats, most of the slips have boats 30' or less in them, and
while I haven't counted noses, I would guess most of the slipped boats
are 22' to 27' long.

There's also trailerboat parking on the site for I'd guess 400 to 500
boats. The fee will be $600 a season, and includes unlimited use of two
nicely maintained concrete boat ramps. Winter storage from 1 December to
31 March is $250. For non-storage customers, the ramp fee is now $10 a pop.

It's a pretty laid-back place.

I considered slipping the original Yo Ho there, because I thought the
convenience would outweigh the cost, but I ended up not doing so. I made
the right decision, because most slipped boats suffer much more wear and
tear than trailered boats. When I sold Yo Ho, she brought only a couple
of thousand less than I paid for her.
Plus, the convenience wouldn't have mattered much as you didn't use the
boat much. Don't know if you ever ran into the owner of the Linda J, but he
kept his in a slip about eight slips up from the ramp. He was out about
three times a week though, and he had a 27' Judge with a little Honda 90 on
it.

Still living vicariously through the posts of others with your little
snotty comments, eh?

What was 'snotty', Harry?


D'oh. Why don't you ask me how my mom is?

How's your mom, Harry?

Harry, did you think the comment that you didn't use your boat much was
'snotty'? I'm sorry if that upset you. You're the one that told us how much
you used it. I can't understand why you'd take offense at such a thing.
--
John H

Boats for the middle class.....
 

On Wed, 28 Nov 2007 16:04:30 -0500, HK wrote:

John H. wrote:
On Wed, 28 Nov 2007 15:45:18 -0500, HK wrote:

John H. wrote:
On Wed, 28 Nov 2007 15:43:18 -0500, HK wrote:

John H. wrote:
On Wed, 28 Nov 2007 14:58:57 -0500, HK wrote:

Calif Bill wrote:

Some marinas are responding by removing the smaller slips and
replacing them with new accomodations for larger boats.
Lots of the trailer size crowd also store their boats near a ramp. When you
look at the cost of leaving a boat in a slip, it is large. More bottom
paint and cleaning as well as the cost of the slip. Marina Del Rey, has
boat storage about 200 yards from the ramp. So someone can easily dump the
boat in the water for a couple hours fishing. Lots of ramp areas do the
same thing, nearby storage.


The marina where I keep son of Yo Ho has about 120 slips, which rent for
about $2000 to $3000 for the April 1 through 30 November season, and
includes water and "reasonable" electric. All the slips usually are
filled, and sometimes there is a waiting list. Aside from larger charter
fishing boats, most of the slips have boats 30' or less in them, and
while I haven't counted noses, I would guess most of the slipped boats
are 22' to 27' long.

There's also trailerboat parking on the site for I'd guess 400 to 500
boats. The fee will be $600 a season, and includes unlimited use of two
nicely maintained concrete boat ramps. Winter storage from 1 December to
31 March is $250. For non-storage customers, the ramp fee is now $10 a pop.

It's a pretty laid-back place.

I considered slipping the original Yo Ho there, because I thought the
convenience would outweigh the cost, but I ended up not doing so. I made
the right decision, because most slipped boats suffer much more wear and
tear than trailered boats. When I sold Yo Ho, she brought only a couple
of thousand less than I paid for her.
Plus, the convenience wouldn't have mattered much as you didn't use the
boat much. Don't know if you ever ran into the owner of the Linda J, but he
kept his in a slip about eight slips up from the ramp. He was out about
three times a week though, and he had a 27' Judge with a little Honda 90 on
it.
Still living vicariously through the posts of others with your little
snotty comments, eh?
What was 'snotty', Harry?

D'oh. Why don't you ask me how my mom is?

How's your mom, Harry?

Harry, did you think the comment that you didn't use your boat much was
'snotty'? I'm sorry if that upset you. You're the one that told us how much
you used it. I can't understand why you'd take offense at such a thing.


As previously stated, all you do here is live vicariously through the
lives of others. Get a life of your own.

How's your daughter?

If you're referring to the one with the breast cancer, she just had a
digital mammogram (don't even ask), and the results came back showing
nothing to worry about.

The younger daughter was found with a small lump witch has been biopsied.
The results aren't back yet. We're keeping our fingers crossed.

Thanks for your concern.
--
John H