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"John H." wrote in message
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On Wed, 28 Nov 2007 14:58:57 -0500, HK wrote:

Calif Bill wrote:


Some marinas are responding by removing the smaller slips and
replacing them with new accomodations for larger boats.

Lots of the trailer size crowd also store their boats near a ramp. When
you
look at the cost of leaving a boat in a slip, it is large. More bottom
paint and cleaning as well as the cost of the slip. Marina Del Rey, has
boat storage about 200 yards from the ramp. So someone can easily dump
the
boat in the water for a couple hours fishing. Lots of ramp areas do the
same thing, nearby storage.




The marina where I keep son of Yo Ho has about 120 slips, which rent for
about $2000 to $3000 for the April 1 through 30 November season, and
includes water and "reasonable" electric. All the slips usually are
filled, and sometimes there is a waiting list. Aside from larger charter
fishing boats, most of the slips have boats 30' or less in them, and
while I haven't counted noses, I would guess most of the slipped boats
are 22' to 27' long.

There's also trailerboat parking on the site for I'd guess 400 to 500
boats. The fee will be $600 a season, and includes unlimited use of two
nicely maintained concrete boat ramps. Winter storage from 1 December to
31 March is $250. For non-storage customers, the ramp fee is now $10 a
pop.

It's a pretty laid-back place.

I considered slipping the original Yo Ho there, because I thought the
convenience would outweigh the cost, but I ended up not doing so. I made
the right decision, because most slipped boats suffer much more wear and
tear than trailered boats. When I sold Yo Ho, she brought only a couple
of thousand less than I paid for her.

Plus, the convenience wouldn't have mattered much as you didn't use the
boat much. Don't know if you ever ran into the owner of the Linda J, but
he
kept his in a slip about eight slips up from the ramp. He was out about
three times a week though, and he had a 27' Judge with a little Honda 90
on
it.
--
John H

Lots of the slipped boats never move. When I was down in Alamitos Bay
Marina for a week this year, asked a guy on a sailboat with maybe 5 tons of
growth on the bottom, how often he sailed the boat. He said last moved 23
years ago. Probably a cost effective weekend home, or even a primary
residence where houses sell for $700k and up. Million dollar house will
cost $20k in property taxes plus any district assessment.

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On Wed, 28 Nov 2007 14:19:52 -0800, "Calif Bill"
wrote:


"John H." wrote in message
.. .
On Wed, 28 Nov 2007 14:58:57 -0500, HK wrote:

Calif Bill wrote:


Some marinas are responding by removing the smaller slips and
replacing them with new accomodations for larger boats.

Lots of the trailer size crowd also store their boats near a ramp. When
you
look at the cost of leaving a boat in a slip, it is large. More bottom
paint and cleaning as well as the cost of the slip. Marina Del Rey, has
boat storage about 200 yards from the ramp. So someone can easily dump
the
boat in the water for a couple hours fishing. Lots of ramp areas do the
same thing, nearby storage.




The marina where I keep son of Yo Ho has about 120 slips, which rent for
about $2000 to $3000 for the April 1 through 30 November season, and
includes water and "reasonable" electric. All the slips usually are
filled, and sometimes there is a waiting list. Aside from larger charter
fishing boats, most of the slips have boats 30' or less in them, and
while I haven't counted noses, I would guess most of the slipped boats
are 22' to 27' long.

There's also trailerboat parking on the site for I'd guess 400 to 500
boats. The fee will be $600 a season, and includes unlimited use of two
nicely maintained concrete boat ramps. Winter storage from 1 December to
31 March is $250. For non-storage customers, the ramp fee is now $10 a
pop.

It's a pretty laid-back place.

I considered slipping the original Yo Ho there, because I thought the
convenience would outweigh the cost, but I ended up not doing so. I made
the right decision, because most slipped boats suffer much more wear and
tear than trailered boats. When I sold Yo Ho, she brought only a couple
of thousand less than I paid for her.

Plus, the convenience wouldn't have mattered much as you didn't use the
boat much. Don't know if you ever ran into the owner of the Linda J, but
he
kept his in a slip about eight slips up from the ramp. He was out about
three times a week though, and he had a 27' Judge with a little Honda 90
on
it.
--
John H

Lots of the slipped boats never move. When I was down in Alamitos Bay
Marina for a week this year, asked a guy on a sailboat with maybe 5 tons of
growth on the bottom, how often he sailed the boat. He said last moved 23
years ago. Probably a cost effective weekend home, or even a primary
residence where houses sell for $700k and up. Million dollar house will
cost $20k in property taxes plus any district assessment.


Most of the boats in the marina where Harry kept his were *not*
liveaboards. Most were pretty small, 25-35 feet.
--
John H

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On Nov 28, 4:19 pm, "Calif Bill" wrote:
"John H." wrote in message

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On Wed, 28 Nov 2007 14:58:57 -0500, HK wrote:

Calif Bill wrote:

Some marinas are responding by removing the smaller slips and
replacing them with new accomodations for larger boats.

Lots of the trailer size crowd also store their boats near a ramp. When
you
look at the cost of leaving a boat in a slip, it is large. More bottom
paint and cleaning as well as the cost of the slip. Marina Del Rey, has
boat storage about 200 yards from the ramp. So someone can easily dump
the
boat in the water for a couple hours fishing. Lots of ramp areas do the
same thing, nearby storage.

The marina where I keep son of Yo Ho has about 120 slips, which rent for
about $2000 to $3000 for the April 1 through 30 November season, and
includes water and "reasonable" electric. All the slips usually are
filled, and sometimes there is a waiting list. Aside from larger charter
fishing boats, most of the slips have boats 30' or less in them, and
while I haven't counted noses, I would guess most of the slipped boats
are 22' to 27' long.

There's also trailerboat parking on the site for I'd guess 400 to 500
boats. The fee will be $600 a season, and includes unlimited use of two
nicely maintained concrete boat ramps. Winter storage from 1 December to
31 March is $250. For non-storage customers, the ramp fee is now $10 a
pop.

It's a pretty laid-back place.

I considered slipping the original Yo Ho there, because I thought the
convenience would outweigh the cost, but I ended up not doing so. I made
the right decision, because most slipped boats suffer much more wear and
tear than trailered boats. When I sold Yo Ho, she brought only a couple
of thousand less than I paid for her.

Plus, the convenience wouldn't have mattered much as you didn't use the
boat much. Don't know if you ever ran into the owner of the Linda J, but
he
kept his in a slip about eight slips up from the ramp. He was out about
three times a week though, and he had a 27' Judge with a little Honda 90
on
it.
--
John H

Lots of the slipped boats never move. When I was down in Alamitos Bay
Marina for a week this year, asked a guy on a sailboat with maybe 5 tons of
growth on the bottom, how often he sailed the boat. He said last moved 23
years ago. Probably a cost effective weekend home, or even a primary
residence where houses sell for $700k and up. Million dollar house will
cost $20k in property taxes plus any district assessment.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

There was a guy selling a trawler on ebay last year, and he advertized
it as a live aboard, He bought it for his family to live on while
their house was being built in another state, then was selling it to
move into their new digs. the slip lease was transferable, and he gave
a breakdown of the anual cost. In his write up he said something like
"live cheap and have a blast at the same time"

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On Wed, 28 Nov 2007 19:57:46 GMT, penned the following
well considered thoughts to the readers of rec.boats:


|
|That is clearly not what is happening around here, Bill. Up until this
|year, the "trailer sized" slips were all occupied, and there were
|waiting lists. Those smaller slips were mostly vacant this year. It
|was a huge and abrupt change.
|

Same here.

I wonder if the $350/mo minimum plus utilities had anything to do with
it?

I store within .5 mile of the ramp, but I won't pay $350+ for a hole
in the water..... even though it isn't nearly as convenient.

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On Wed, 28 Nov 2007 20:26:12 GMT, Short Wave Sportfishing penned the
following well considered thoughts to the readers of rec.boats:

|On Wed, 28 Nov 2007 19:57:46 GMT, wrote:
|
|On Wed, 28 Nov 2007 11:47:22 -0800, "Calif Bill"
wrote:
|
|
|Lots of the trailer size crowd also store their boats near a ramp. When you
|look at the cost of leaving a boat in a slip, it is large. More bottom
|paint and cleaning as well as the cost of the slip. Marina Del Rey, has
|boat storage about 200 yards from the ramp. So someone can easily dump the
|boat in the water for a couple hours fishing. Lots of ramp areas do the
|same thing, nearby storage.
|
|That is clearly not what is happening around here, Bill. Up until this
|year, the "trailer sized" slips were all occupied, and there were
|waiting lists. Those smaller slips were mostly vacant this year. It
|was a huge and abrupt change.
|
|They still insisting that you buy 25' of space for 20' boats?
|
|That seems to be the norm around the Mystic area and northwards.

It used to be 28 feet, now it is 35 feet.....

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On Thu, 29 Nov 2007 09:04:18 -0500, Gene Kearns
wrote:

On Wed, 28 Nov 2007 19:57:46 GMT, penned the following
well considered thoughts to the readers of rec.boats:


|
|That is clearly not what is happening around here, Bill. Up until this
|year, the "trailer sized" slips were all occupied, and there were
|waiting lists. Those smaller slips were mostly vacant this year. It
|was a huge and abrupt change.
|

Same here.

I wonder if the $350/mo minimum plus utilities had anything to do with
it?

I store within .5 mile of the ramp, but I won't pay $350+ for a hole
in the water..... even though it isn't nearly as convenient.

No, the price of slips hasn't suddenly shot up at my Marina. The price
of fuel, however...

At my marina, boats under 20 feet pay a lower rate than the bigger
boats. I think last season they were paying about $50 or $55 a foot
for the 6 month season. I was paying twice that, which around here is
still on the low side. They get the cheaper rate mostly because those
smaller slips are in shallow water that would otherwise be of no use
at all.


You people are fortunate to have such reasonable slip prices.
Around here, (MA) a slip costs double that, at a minimum. Scituate's town
owned marina is over $100 per foot and that harbor's private marinas are at
least $125 to $130 per foot last time I checked.

Down here on the Cape the slips are $175/ft or more although there are a few
cheaper in some less desireable areas. Some marinas charge by the actual
boat LOA, some charge by the slip's capacity.

That's why we bought the slips rather than lease them. The market value of
the slip the Navigator is in has more than doubled since we bought it 6
years ago and there's a waiting list of buyers should we ever sell it. We
also get paid 85% of collected slip fees for transient boats that use the
slips if our boat is not in it. My son bought a slip even though he does
not own a boat. It's purely an investment and every fall he gets a check
for over 5K from the marina. When the time comes that he sells the slip,
he'll get a decent return plus will have collected the 5k every year he
owned it.

Although we pay no slip fees, we *do* pay a yearly fee for maintenance,
water and electricity.
So far those fees have been around $1400-$1600 for the season. If I leased
the slip we have the Navigator in, our seasonal cost would be just short of
$10k.

Eisboch

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On Nov 28, 12:26�pm, Short Wave Sportfishing
wrote:
On Wed, 28 Nov 2007 19:57:46 GMT, wrote:
On Wed, 28 Nov 2007 11:47:22 -0800, "Calif Bill"
wrote:

Lots of the trailer size crowd also store their boats near a ramp. When you
look at the cost of leaving a boat in a slip, it is large. �More bottom
paint and cleaning as well as the cost of the slip. �Marina Del Rey, has
boat storage about 200 yards from the ramp. �So someone can easily dump the
boat in the water for a couple hours fishing. �Lots of ramp areas do the
same thing, nearby storage.

That is clearly not what is happening around here, Bill. Up until this
year, the "trailer sized" slips were all occupied, and there were
waiting lists. Those smaller slips were mostly vacant this year. It
was a huge and abrupt change.

They still insisting that you buy 25' of space for 20' boats?

That seems to be the norm around the Mystic area and northwards.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

It's customary around here to rent out the slip based on its capacity.
Transient boaters staying for a night or two generally pay by the
foot, regardless of the slip to which they are assigned.

While some marinas might have 25 foot slips, darn few are going to
have 27 or 28 foot slips. In any market where the slips fill up, the
landlord has to realize that simply because a particular boat doesn't
occupy the entire available space in the slip, the entire slip has
effectively been rented. Nobody would want to fool with a 4-foot
jetsi also jammed into their space because their boat was only 26 foot
LOA and the slip was 30 feet.

You have rentals, Tom; when you rent a three bedroom house do you give
a discount to a family that only has one kid and doesn't really "need"
part of the house? :-)

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On Nov 29, 6:04�am, Gene Kearns
wrote:
On Wed, 28 Nov 2007 19:57:46 GMT, penned the following
well considered thoughts to the readers of rec.boats:

|
|That is clearly not what is happening around here, Bill. Up until this
|year, the "trailer sized" slips were all occupied, and there were
|waiting lists. Those smaller slips were mostly vacant this year. It
|was a huge and abrupt change.
|

Same here.

I wonder if the $350/mo minimum plus utilities had anything to do with
it?

I store within .5 mile of the ramp, but I won't pay $350+ for a hole
in the water..... �even though it isn't nearly as convenient.

--

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A 40-foot slip in the Seattle area will run *at least* $400 per month.
My covered moorage goes for $500, and there are newer and slightly
nicer places where I could pay substantially more.

Darned if you do, darned if you don't. Some of us don't have a
realistic option to trailer so we're going to pay moorage no matter
what it costs.
Others who can either rent a slip or trailer might want to consider
that if the facility renting slips offers any other essential
services, (fuel dock, repair station, etc) boycotting the slips will
merely hasten the day when the condo developers mow down the whole
affair and all of the other amenities disappear along with the slips.

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Chuck Gould wrote:
On Nov 29, 6:04�am, Gene Kearns
wrote:
On Wed, 28 Nov 2007 19:57:46 GMT, penned the following
well considered thoughts to the readers of rec.boats:

|
|That is clearly not what is happening around here, Bill. Up until this
|year, the "trailer sized" slips were all occupied, and there were
|waiting lists. Those smaller slips were mostly vacant this year. It
|was a huge and abrupt change.
|

Same here.

I wonder if the $350/mo minimum plus utilities had anything to do with
it?

I store within .5 mile of the ramp, but I won't pay $350+ for a hole
in the water..... �even though it isn't nearly as convenient.

--

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A 40-foot slip in the Seattle area will run *at least* $400 per month.
My covered moorage goes for $500, and there are newer and slightly
nicer places where I could pay substantially more.

Darned if you do, darned if you don't. Some of us don't have a
realistic option to trailer so we're going to pay moorage no matter
what it costs.
Others who can either rent a slip or trailer might want to consider
that if the facility renting slips offers any other essential
services, (fuel dock, repair station, etc) boycotting the slips will
merely hasten the day when the condo developers mow down the whole
affair and all of the other amenities disappear along with the slips.


There are many reasons NOT to slip a trailerable boat if the options are
available. There is no reason to bend over every single time a marina
operator wants access to your wallet.


When I finish using son of Yo Ho, I trailer the boat to the house, which
is only a few minutes away from the marina, empty the boat, wash it, let
it dry, put on the cover, and take it back to the marina parking lot.

Next time I want to use the boat, it is clean and ready to go.

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Chuck Gould wrote:
On Nov 28, 12:26�pm, Short Wave Sportfishing
wrote:
On Wed, 28 Nov 2007 19:57:46 GMT, wrote:
On Wed, 28 Nov 2007 11:47:22 -0800, "Calif Bill"
wrote:
Lots of the trailer size crowd also store their boats near a ramp. When you
look at the cost of leaving a boat in a slip, it is large. �More bottom
paint and cleaning as well as the cost of the slip. �Marina Del Rey, has
boat storage about 200 yards from the ramp. �So someone can easily dump the
boat in the water for a couple hours fishing. �Lots of ramp areas do the
same thing, nearby storage.
That is clearly not what is happening around here, Bill. Up until this
year, the "trailer sized" slips were all occupied, and there were
waiting lists. Those smaller slips were mostly vacant this year. It
was a huge and abrupt change.
They still insisting that you buy 25' of space for 20' boats?

That seems to be the norm around the Mystic area and northwards.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

It's customary around here to rent out the slip based on its capacity.
Transient boaters staying for a night or two generally pay by the
foot, regardless of the slip to which they are assigned.

While some marinas might have 25 foot slips, darn few are going to
have 27 or 28 foot slips. In any market where the slips fill up, the
landlord has to realize that simply because a particular boat doesn't
occupy the entire available space in the slip, the entire slip has
effectively been rented. Nobody would want to fool with a 4-foot
jetsi also jammed into their space because their boat was only 26 foot
LOA and the slip was 30 feet.

You have rentals, Tom; when you rent a three bedroom house do you give
a discount to a family that only has one kid and doesn't really "need"
part of the house? :-)

That is the same way in Georgia. You pay for the slip size, and they
have maximum boat size allowed in each slip.

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HK wrote:
Chuck Gould wrote:
On Nov 29, 6:04�am, Gene Kearns
wrote:
On Wed, 28 Nov 2007 19:57:46 GMT, penned the following
well considered thoughts to the readers of rec.boats:

|
|That is clearly not what is happening around here, Bill. Up until this
|year, the "trailer sized" slips were all occupied, and there were
|waiting lists. Those smaller slips were mostly vacant this year. It
|was a huge and abrupt change.
|

Same here.

I wonder if the $350/mo minimum plus utilities had anything to do with
it?

I store within .5 mile of the ramp, but I won't pay $350+ for a hole
in the water..... �even though it isn't nearly as convenient.

--

Grady-White Gulfstream, out of Oak Island, NC.

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� � � � � �

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A 40-foot slip in the Seattle area will run *at least* $400 per month.
My covered moorage goes for $500, and there are newer and slightly
nicer places where I could pay substantially more.

Darned if you do, darned if you don't. Some of us don't have a
realistic option to trailer so we're going to pay moorage no matter
what it costs.
Others who can either rent a slip or trailer might want to consider
that if the facility renting slips offers any other essential
services, (fuel dock, repair station, etc) boycotting the slips will
merely hasten the day when the condo developers mow down the whole
affair and all of the other amenities disappear along with the slips.


There are many reasons NOT to slip a trailerable boat if the options are
available. There is no reason to bend over every single time a marina
operator wants access to your wallet.


When I finish using son of Yo Ho, I trailer the boat to the house, which
is only a few minutes away from the marina, empty the boat, wash it, let
it dry, put on the cover, and take it back to the marina parking lot.

Next time I want to use the boat, it is clean and ready to go.


That is the only way to do a trailer-able boat. It is less expensive,
the boat stays cleaner, and will bring more money at resale. Why don't
you find a place on your property to keep the boat?

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As I said, I'm paying around $100 a foot. The Marina next to mine gets
about $140 a foot. I'm not really in a "cheap" area, I'm just at an
old fashioned mom & pop marina, where most of the tenants have been
here for a long time, and it's sort of like a big extended family. You
need an introduction to get a slip here. It's a special situation.
When "mom & pop" finally retire and sell the place, I'm sure the next
owners will do things much differently. The only bright spot is that
due to the physical location and lack of city sewers, the land is not
a candidate for condos or even multiple houses. It pretty much has to
remain a marina.



Do they have pumpout and/or hauling facilities with power washing service?
If so, they would be well advised to keep a low profile. The EPA is
enforcing some pretty strong requirements on marinas up here and it appears
that if an owner files for a permit for expansion or improvements, they show
up on the radar screen and will be visited.

They guy that owns the marina I am in filed for permits for a major
renovation of the facilities including a 1 million dollar sewerage treatment
plant that some local home owners would also be able to tie into. His
application was initially refused thanks to conservation lobbiests, but I've
heard that some town fathers are now in support of the plans because it will
also benefit local home owners.

Meanwhile, the EPA showed up and decided to require the marina owner to dig
trenches (in existing dirt/sand), install drainage pipes, refill with new
gravel/fill/sand and then plant shrubs in the drainage areas. What's screwy
is that the water will still eventually drain to the same places that it did
naturally before the changes, after seeping (and filtering) through the
original dirt and sand. I was told this little requirement has a price tag
of $100k.

To his credit, the marina owner is proactive about these things and also
installed a pit, sump pump and huge filtration system to process the water
used for powerwashing the boat hulls.

As the EPA makes their rounds, I think some of the older marinas will have
to close due to the costs associated with meeting EPA requirements.

Eisboch

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On Thu, 29 Nov 2007 07:38:37 -0800 (PST), Chuck Gould
wrote:

You have rentals, Tom; when you rent a three bedroom house do you give
a discount to a family that only has one kid and doesn't really "need"
part of the house? :-

Actually I do.

If I have a family of four, I charge more because they will be using
more resources like water, heat and electricity.

If I have a couple, I charge less because they will be using less
resources.

That approach has served me well.

My complaint has to do with the minimum they charge. One marina in
particular that I'm referencing has slips available for 20 foot boats,
but they still charge a minimum of 25 feet. Above that, it's charged
by the foot.

That isn't right and I don't care how you try to justify it.

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On Thu, 29 Nov 2007 10:54:58 -0500, "Reginald P. Smithers III"
wrote:

Chuck Gould wrote:
On Nov 28, 12:26?pm, Short Wave Sportfishing
wrote:
On Wed, 28 Nov 2007 19:57:46 GMT, wrote:
On Wed, 28 Nov 2007 11:47:22 -0800, "Calif Bill"
wrote:
Lots of the trailer size crowd also store their boats near a ramp. When you
look at the cost of leaving a boat in a slip, it is large. ?More bottom
paint and cleaning as well as the cost of the slip. ?Marina Del Rey, has
boat storage about 200 yards from the ramp. ?So someone can easily dump the
boat in the water for a couple hours fishing. ?Lots of ramp areas do the
same thing, nearby storage.
That is clearly not what is happening around here, Bill. Up until this
year, the "trailer sized" slips were all occupied, and there were
waiting lists. Those smaller slips were mostly vacant this year. It
was a huge and abrupt change.
They still insisting that you buy 25' of space for 20' boats?

That seems to be the norm around the Mystic area and northwards.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

It's customary around here to rent out the slip based on its capacity.
Transient boaters staying for a night or two generally pay by the
foot, regardless of the slip to which they are assigned.

While some marinas might have 25 foot slips, darn few are going to
have 27 or 28 foot slips. In any market where the slips fill up, the
landlord has to realize that simply because a particular boat doesn't
occupy the entire available space in the slip, the entire slip has
effectively been rented. Nobody would want to fool with a 4-foot
jetsi also jammed into their space because their boat was only 26 foot
LOA and the slip was 30 feet.

You have rentals, Tom; when you rent a three bedroom house do you give
a discount to a family that only has one kid and doesn't really "need"
part of the house? :-)

That is the same way in Georgia. You pay for the slip size, and they
have maximum boat size allowed in each slip.

It isn't the same issue.

They have a minimum size - 25 feet if you have a 20 footer.

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Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
On Thu, 29 Nov 2007 10:54:58 -0500, "Reginald P. Smithers III"
wrote:

Chuck Gould wrote:
On Nov 28, 12:26?pm, Short Wave Sportfishing
wrote:
On Wed, 28 Nov 2007 19:57:46 GMT, wrote:
On Wed, 28 Nov 2007 11:47:22 -0800, "Calif Bill"
wrote:
Lots of the trailer size crowd also store their boats near a ramp. When you
look at the cost of leaving a boat in a slip, it is large. ?More bottom
paint and cleaning as well as the cost of the slip. ?Marina Del Rey, has
boat storage about 200 yards from the ramp. ?So someone can easily dump the
boat in the water for a couple hours fishing. ?Lots of ramp areas do the
same thing, nearby storage.
That is clearly not what is happening around here, Bill. Up until this
year, the "trailer sized" slips were all occupied, and there were
waiting lists. Those smaller slips were mostly vacant this year. It
was a huge and abrupt change.
They still insisting that you buy 25' of space for 20' boats?

That seems to be the norm around the Mystic area and northwards.- Hide quoted text -

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It's customary around here to rent out the slip based on its capacity.
Transient boaters staying for a night or two generally pay by the
foot, regardless of the slip to which they are assigned.

While some marinas might have 25 foot slips, darn few are going to
have 27 or 28 foot slips. In any market where the slips fill up, the
landlord has to realize that simply because a particular boat doesn't
occupy the entire available space in the slip, the entire slip has
effectively been rented. Nobody would want to fool with a 4-foot
jetsi also jammed into their space because their boat was only 26 foot
LOA and the slip was 30 feet.

You have rentals, Tom; when you rent a three bedroom house do you give
a discount to a family that only has one kid and doesn't really "need"
part of the house? :-)
That is the same way in Georgia. You pay for the slip size, and they
have maximum boat size allowed in each slip.

It isn't the same issue.

They have a minimum size - 25 feet if you have a 20 footer.

Well if you get the smallest covered slip size 10x26 and you have a 20
ft. boat, you will be paying the same as the 30 ft. boat. It really is
the same thing, they just go about it differently.

;)

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On Nov 29, 12:04�pm, Short Wave Sportfishing
wrote:
On Thu, 29 Nov 2007 07:38:37 -0800 (PST), Chuck Gould

wrote:
You have rentals, Tom; when you rent a three bedroom house do you give
a discount to a family that only has one kid and doesn't really "need"
part of the house? �:-

Actually I do.

If I have a family of four, I charge more because they will be using
more resources like water, heat and electricity.

If I have a couple, I charge less because they will be using less
resources.

That approach has served me well.

My complaint has to do with the minimum they charge. �One marina in
particular that I'm referencing has slips available for 20 foot boats,
but they still charge a minimum of 25 feet. �Above that, it's charged
by the foot.

That isn't right and I don't care how you try to justify it.


Your local marina is staffed by marketing numbskulls. If they actually
have 20-foot slips available but price it so that you believe you are
being asked to pay for 5 feet that aren't there, they are going about
it bass ackwards. They should just say "Our price for a 20-foot slip
is $X"
(X being whatever they are charging now) and with no reference
whatsover to some 25-foot factor. That's absolute truth in
advertising, by the way.....that *is* the price one must pay to rent
their 20 foot slip.
Why confuse the buyer with too much information? It doesn't change the
price, just merely makes the buyer feel like he or she is getting
hosed for five missing feet. :-)

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On Thu, 29 Nov 2007 13:02:03 -0800 (PST), Chuck Gould
wrote:

Why confuse the buyer with too much information? It doesn't change the
price, just merely makes the buyer feel like he or she is getting
hosed for five missing feet. :-)

I agree with you, but there is a big sign on the wall that says
"minimum rental length is 25 feet".

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On Thu, 29 Nov 2007 10:09:18 -0500, "Eisboch"
wrote:


wrote in message
SNIP
At my marina, boats under 20 feet pay a lower rate than the bigger
boats. I think last season they were paying about $50 or $55 a foot
for the 6 month season. I was paying twice that, which around here is
still on the low side. They get the cheaper rate mostly because those
smaller slips are in shallow water that would otherwise be of no use
at all.


You people are fortunate to have such reasonable slip prices.
Around here, (MA) a slip costs double that, at a minimum. Scituate's town
owned marina is over $100 per foot and that harbor's private marinas are at
least $125 to $130 per foot last time I checked.

Down here on the Cape the slips are $175/ft or more although there are a few
cheaper in some less desireable areas. Some marinas charge by the actual
boat LOA, some charge by the slip's capacity.

That's why we bought the slips rather than lease them. The market value of
the slip the Navigator is in has more than doubled since we bought it 6
years ago and there's a waiting list of buyers should we ever sell it. We
also get paid 85% of collected slip fees for transient boats that use the
slips if our boat is not in it. My son bought a slip even though he does
not own a boat. It's purely an investment and every fall he gets a check
for over 5K from the marina. When the time comes that he sells the slip,
he'll get a decent return plus will have collected the 5k every year he
owned it.

Although we pay no slip fees, we *do* pay a yearly fee for maintenance,
water and electricity.
So far those fees have been around $1400-$1600 for the season. If I leased
the slip we have the Navigator in, our seasonal cost would be just short of
$10k.

Eisboch

It is threads like these that make me glad to be inland. First, I am
lucky to not pay anything for storage, ramp or dock space as my
mother's house is on the Ohio river and the next three properties are
owned by family. We keep our own private docks and have our own ramp.
However, even those that don't have this luck don't pay anything like
those costs. My brother owns a property along the river that he has
developed into campsites. A river frontage campsite with about 50' or
so of river frontage goes for $600 per year, including electricity for
the spring, summer and fall. People put small trailers on the lots and
build decks and docks ( of whatever length they desire). A couple
years or so and the cost difference for even a small 18 to 20 foot
boat would pay for the trailer, deck and dock. No swanky clubhouse, no
water or sewer(there is a restroom available on site), but no crowds
and no rules to speak of (hell you even get to bring in gas/diesel in
cans if you don't want to use the marina pumps just down the river).
Probably wouldn't fit the lifestyle of many here and he difinitley has
no $500,000 yachts parked there, but would work for me if I didn't
have "mom's place".

Dave Hall

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"Chuck Gould" wrote in message
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On Nov 29, 6:04?am, Gene Kearns
wrote:
On Wed, 28 Nov 2007 19:57:46 GMT, penned the following
well considered thoughts to the readers of rec.boats:

|
|That is clearly not what is happening around here, Bill. Up until this
|year, the "trailer sized" slips were all occupied, and there were
|waiting lists. Those smaller slips were mostly vacant this year. It
|was a huge and abrupt change.
|

Same here.

I wonder if the $350/mo minimum plus utilities had anything to do with
it?

I store within .5 mile of the ramp, but I won't pay $350+ for a hole
in the water..... ?even though it isn't nearly as convenient.

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A 40-foot slip in the Seattle area will run *at least* $400 per month.
My covered moorage goes for $500, and there are newer and slightly
nicer places where I could pay substantially more.

Darned if you do, darned if you don't. Some of us don't have a
realistic option to trailer so we're going to pay moorage no matter
what it costs.
Others who can either rent a slip or trailer might want to consider
that if the facility renting slips offers any other essential
services, (fuel dock, repair station, etc) boycotting the slips will
merely hasten the day when the condo developers mow down the whole
affair and all of the other amenities disappear along with the slips.

My complaint is some of the transit rental costs. When in Ganges this year,
my 21' boat cost $27.50 a day. That is over $800 a month. Does not cost
them much extra for me to rent for 5 days than a monthly renter. Even
figuring the 15 minutes to check my registration, insurance and take my
moola.

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Eisboch wrote:


That's why we bought the slips rather than lease them.

Out of curiousity, What did the slip cost to buy?

-- Charlie

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On Thu, 29 Nov 2007 21:24:24 GMT, Short Wave Sportfishing
wrote:

On Thu, 29 Nov 2007 13:02:03 -0800 (PST), Chuck Gould
wrote:

Why confuse the buyer with too much information? It doesn't change the
price, just merely makes the buyer feel like he or she is getting
hosed for five missing feet. :-)

I agree with you, but there is a big sign on the wall that says
"minimum rental length is 25 feet".

Whereas if the sign said "minimum rental is $125/month" everyone would be
happy. (Depending on the amount, of course!)

You should go mention that to the manager. Let him know everyone is
bitching. Maybe he'd give you a free month!
--
John H