"Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message
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On Sat, 24 Nov 2007 06:49:29 -0500, HK wrote:

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On Sat, 24 Nov 2007 00:21:17 GMT, Short Wave Sportfishing
wrote:

The problem, at least here in CT, are the apprenticeship rules the
state adopted. We have a top flight state tech school system and the
kids who go through the programs are motivated. The problem with the
electrical/plumber programs comes after graduation. Each licensed
plumber or electrician can only have one apprentice. With dictated
pay scales and full benefits, plus mandated insurance costs, the
package costs the employer more than he can afford for each
apprentice. So for independant electricians/plumbers are in a losing
proposition even if they want to take on apprentices. Add in the time
required, even with school credits, to make Journeyman status and they
flat out can't afford it.

That is the "union problem".
They are like the medical establishment. They go out of their way to
limit the number of people in the business.

Ha! In the typical union model, the union runs the apprenticeship
programs for the three to five year course of study, depending upon the
trade, and once they complete the courses and training, they are
considered journeymen and are eligible to take the licensing
examinations.

Which is no different than a trade school, except their time in
training is considered as apprenticeship time which means that they
have to complete OJT as an apprentice.

I've been told by a number of electricians and plumbers that the Union
training programs create false expectations in terms of both wage and
real world conditions.

I'm not familiar with what Connecticut does, but the model
I cited is prevalent most other places. A decent number of young
apprentices enter the program after completing a 12-week Job Corps
program in which they learn basic "work" skills and a little bit about
the trades.

Are they paid while they are in Union training?

The whole point of apprenticeship is to pay your dues, learn your
trade and work under the direction of a Master tradesman.

Not jump immediately to Journeyman status.


My son-in-law recently got his Journeyman electrician's licence here in MA.
I think the process was OJT training for some number of hours (took years)
under the supervision of a licenced master electrician. He also went to
school nights for over a year at a trade school. Once he completed the
school, passed their exam and obtained the required OJT hours, he took the
state Journeyman exam and got his licence. He now has to obtain some number
of hours as a Journeyman before taking the Master exam.

He got many of the OJT hours working at my son's company under the
supervision of a Master electrician who heads up the electrical wiring shop.
He also did night and weekend jobs for a local contractor under the
supervision of their hired electricians.

He can now take jobs on his own as a Journeyman, but there's some weird rule
about putting his name on a work truck, should he decide to get one.
Something like he can put his last name on it but not his full name ... I
really don't understand it.

Nothing has blown up or burned down so far .....

Eisboch