I hope my next load of fuel comes from Norway
 

Even those of us who usually burn B20 are still using 80% dino-diesel.
Most of the crude oil the refiners use to create gasoline and diesel
comes from places that are explicitly unfriendly to the US, (and
according to the following article the Bush Administration is
concerned that some of those sources are bankrolling huge amounts of
capital for an eventual destabilizing financial assualt on the US
economy. It's not too late for Russia or China to win the final battle
in the Cold War).

However, also acording to the following article there is a source for
crude oil that takes a very enlightened approach to using its oil
wealth. The citizens of this country earn a per capita income (not
"family income", but per capita) of $65,509 per year, spend a maximum
of $200 per yar for health care, are in better physical shape and
enjoy a longer life expectancy than most Americans.

I hope that the next time I buy fuel, the crude oil comes from Norway.
(Probably won't, though).


http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/n...=1&cs et=true

I hope my next load of fuel comes from Norway
 

Chuck Gould wrote:
Even those of us who usually burn B20 are still using 80% dino-diesel.
Most of the crude oil the refiners use to create gasoline and diesel
comes from places that are explicitly unfriendly to the US, (and
according to the following article the Bush Administration is
concerned that some of those sources are bankrolling huge amounts of
capital for an eventual destabilizing financial assualt on the US
economy. It's not too late for Russia or China to win the final battle
in the Cold War).

However, also acording to the following article there is a source for
crude oil that takes a very enlightened approach to using its oil
wealth. The citizens of this country earn a per capita income (not
"family income", but per capita) of $65,509 per year, spend a maximum
of $200 per yar for health care, are in better physical shape and
enjoy a longer life expectancy than most Americans.

I hope that the next time I buy fuel, the crude oil comes from Norway.
(Probably won't, though).


http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/n...=1&cs et=true



Norway is far more advanced in most ways than the United States.

I hope my next load of fuel comes from Norway
 

The citizens of this country earn a per capita income (not
"family income", but per capita) of $65,509 per year, spend a maximum
of $200 per yar for health care

Go do some homework on what the taxes are like. Personal property, sales
(VAT) and income are quite high.

When quoting figures it's a bit more important to be citing NET figures.

I hope my next load of fuel comes from Norway
 

On Wed, 21 Nov 2007 12:03:43 -0500, HK wrote:

Chuck Gould wrote:
Even those of us who usually burn B20 are still using 80% dino-diesel.
Most of the crude oil the refiners use to create gasoline and diesel
comes from places that are explicitly unfriendly to the US, (and
according to the following article the Bush Administration is
concerned that some of those sources are bankrolling huge amounts of
capital for an eventual destabilizing financial assualt on the US
economy. It's not too late for Russia or China to win the final battle
in the Cold War).

However, also acording to the following article there is a source for
crude oil that takes a very enlightened approach to using its oil
wealth. The citizens of this country earn a per capita income (not
"family income", but per capita) of $65,509 per year, spend a maximum
of $200 per yar for health care, are in better physical shape and
enjoy a longer life expectancy than most Americans.

I hope that the next time I buy fuel, the crude oil comes from Norway.
(Probably won't, though).


http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/n...=1&cs et=true



Norway is far more advanced in most ways than the United States.

Yeah, they have enough sense to drill for oil in their back yard.

I hope my next load of fuel comes from Norway
 

Bill Kearney wrote:
The citizens of this country earn a per capita income (not
"family income", but per capita) of $65,509 per year, spend a maximum
of $200 per yar for health care

Go do some homework on what the taxes are like. Personal property, sales
(VAT) and income are quite high.

When quoting figures it's a bit more important to be citing NET figures.



So are the direct benefits.

Norway has what the sick world needs, a metanoia, a conversion, a
reappraisal of our whole attitude towards life, accompanied by a
fundamental change in the climate in which people and things are
appraised. We need to radically change our culture to reject the
dehumanization of man so implicit in what "drives" our society in this
country today.

I hope my next load of fuel comes from Norway
 

On Wed, 21 Nov 2007 12:45:53 -0500, HK wrote:

Bill Kearney wrote:
The citizens of this country earn a per capita income (not
"family income", but per capita) of $65,509 per year, spend a maximum
of $200 per yar for health care

Go do some homework on what the taxes are like. Personal property, sales
(VAT) and income are quite high.

When quoting figures it's a bit more important to be citing NET figures.



So are the direct benefits.

Norway has what the sick world needs, a metanoia, a conversion, a
reappraisal of our whole attitude towards life, accompanied by a
fundamental change in the climate in which people and things are
appraised. We need to radically change our culture to reject the
dehumanization of man so implicit in what "drives" our society in this
country today.

....and get smart enough to drill for the oil in our back yard, before China
does.

I hope my next load of fuel comes from Norway
 

On Nov 21, 9:25�am, "Bill Kearney" wkearney-99@hot-mail-com wrote:
The citizens of this country earn a per capita income (not
"family income", but per capita) of $65,509 per year, spend a maximum
of $200 per yar for health care

Go do some homework on what the taxes are like. �Personal property, sales
(VAT) and income are quite high.

When quoting figures it's a bit more important to be citing NET figures.

You are absolutely correct.

Without going through all the math, however, would it seem like an
economy where the average income is $65,509 per person could take a
larger tax bite than an economy where the average income is 40-some
thousand per *family* and still leave a pretty decent sum left over?

I would be surprised if the net figures for Norway were substantially
below those for the US, particularly when considering that most
families earning only 40-some thousand per year in the US will have no
health insurance provided by such low wage employers. Those who can
afford it will also be paying $500-$1000 per month, or more, to insure
a family of four in the US. Out of pocket health costs are limited to
$200 per person per year in Norway, and they are a very healthy and
long lived population so it's tough to criticize the apparent quality
of health care available there.

Like I say, I'd rather send my crude oil money to Norway than to Saudi
Arabia, Russia, or China.

But I'd rather live in the US than in Norway. Warts and all. :-)

I hope my next load of fuel comes from Norway
 

"John H." wrote in message
...
On Wed, 21 Nov 2007 12:45:53 -0500, HK wrote:

Bill Kearney wrote:
The citizens of this country earn a per capita income (not
"family income", but per capita) of $65,509 per year, spend a maximum
of $200 per yar for health care

Go do some homework on what the taxes are like. Personal property,
sales
(VAT) and income are quite high.

When quoting figures it's a bit more important to be citing NET figures.



So are the direct benefits.

Norway has what the sick world needs, a metanoia, a conversion, a
reappraisal of our whole attitude towards life, accompanied by a
fundamental change in the climate in which people and things are
appraised. We need to radically change our culture to reject the
dehumanization of man so implicit in what "drives" our society in this
country today.

...and get smart enough to drill for the oil in our back yard, before
China
does.

Not just the oil. One of the largest countries in the EU with just about
4.5 million residents. Lots of natural recourses. The $200 for medical is
very misleading as they have an almost 8% tax rate for medical insurance on
top of a 50% income tax rate.

I hope my next load of fuel comes from Norway
 

On Wed, 21 Nov 2007 10:00:12 -0800 (PST), Chuck Gould
wrote:

On Nov 21, 9:25?am, "Bill Kearney" wkearney-99@hot-mail-com wrote:
The citizens of this country earn a per capita income (not
"family income", but per capita) of $65,509 per year, spend a maximum
of $200 per yar for health care

Go do some homework on what the taxes are like. ?Personal property, sales
(VAT) and income are quite high.

When quoting figures it's a bit more important to be citing NET figures.

You are absolutely correct.

Without going through all the math, however, would it seem like an
economy where the average income is $65,509 per person could take a
larger tax bite than an economy where the average income is 40-some
thousand per *family* and still leave a pretty decent sum left over?

I would be surprised if the net figures for Norway were substantially
below those for the US, particularly when considering that most
families earning only 40-some thousand per year in the US will have no
health insurance provided by such low wage employers. Those who can
afford it will also be paying $500-$1000 per month, or more, to insure
a family of four in the US. Out of pocket health costs are limited to
$200 per person per year in Norway, and they are a very healthy and
long lived population so it's tough to criticize the apparent quality
of health care available there.

Like I say, I'd rather send my crude oil money to Norway than to Saudi
Arabia, Russia, or China.

But I'd rather live in the US than in Norway. Warts and all. :-)

Just think, most of the good stuff happened after the country drilled for
its own oil.

"Norway's emergence as a major oil and gas producer in the mid-1970s
transformed the economy. Large sums of investment capital poured into the
offshore oil sector, leading to greater increases in Norwegian production
costs and wages than in the rest of Western Europe up to the time of the
global recovery of the mid-1980s. The influx of oil revenue also permitted
Norway to expand an already extensive social welfare system. Norway has
established a state petroleum fund that is expected to exceed $387 billion
by the end of December 2007."

(http://www.state.gov/r/pa/ei/bgn/3421.htm#econ)

Maybe we should get smart and do the same.

I hope my next load of fuel comes from Norway
 

"Chuck Gould" wrote in message
...
Even those of us who usually burn B20 are still using 80% dino-diesel.
Most of the crude oil the refiners use to create gasoline and diesel
comes from places that are explicitly unfriendly to the US, (and
according to the following article the Bush Administration is
concerned that some of those sources are bankrolling huge amounts of
capital for an eventual destabilizing financial assualt on the US
economy. It's not too late for Russia or China to win the final battle
in the Cold War).

However, also acording to the following article there is a source for
crude oil that takes a very enlightened approach to using its oil
wealth. The citizens of this country earn a per capita income (not
"family income", but per capita) of $65,509 per year, spend a maximum
of $200 per yar for health care, are in better physical shape and
enjoy a longer life expectancy than most Americans.

I hope that the next time I buy fuel, the crude oil comes from Norway.
(Probably won't, though).



In real purchasing power per capita (PPP) Norway is $42,364 as compared to
the US at $41,399 (2005)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Per_capita_income

I hope my next load of fuel comes from Norway
 

"Chuck Gould" wrote in message
...


But I'd rather live in the US than in Norway. Warts and all. :-)


Yup. You wouldn't get much sleep in Norway ....

http://www.sfham.com/norway/index.html

Eisboch

I hope my next load of fuel comes from Norway
 

"John H." wrote in message
...
On Wed, 21 Nov 2007 12:03:43 -0500, HK wrote:

Chuck Gould wrote:
Even those of us who usually burn B20 are still using 80% dino-diesel.
Most of the crude oil the refiners use to create gasoline and diesel
comes from places that are explicitly unfriendly to the US, (and
according to the following article the Bush Administration is
concerned that some of those sources are bankrolling huge amounts of
capital for an eventual destabilizing financial assualt on the US
economy. It's not too late for Russia or China to win the final battle
in the Cold War).

However, also acording to the following article there is a source for
crude oil that takes a very enlightened approach to using its oil
wealth. The citizens of this country earn a per capita income (not
"family income", but per capita) of $65,509 per year, spend a maximum
of $200 per yar for health care, are in better physical shape and
enjoy a longer life expectancy than most Americans.

I hope that the next time I buy fuel, the crude oil comes from Norway.
(Probably won't, though).


http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/n...=1&cs et=true



Norway is far more advanced in most ways than the United States.

Yeah, they have enough sense to drill for oil in their back yard.

LOL.

I hope my next load of fuel comes from Norway
 

On Wed, 21 Nov 2007 10:00:12 -0800 (PST), Chuck Gould
wrote:

an economy where the average income is 40-some
thousand per *family*

That's a mis-leading number, no doubt pulled down by inner city
statistics.

I hope my next load of fuel comes from Norway
 

On Wed, 21 Nov 2007 13:39:04 -0500, "Eisboch" wrote:

Yup. You wouldn't get much sleep in Norway ....

http://www.sfham.com/norway/index.html

And it's a long trip from there to Florida.

I hope my next load of fuel comes from Norway
 

On Wed, 21 Nov 2007 15:40:29 -0500, Wayne.B
wrote:

On Wed, 21 Nov 2007 10:00:12 -0800 (PST), Chuck Gould
wrote:

an economy where the average income is 40-some
thousand per *family*

That's a mis-leading number, no doubt pulled down by inner city
statistics.

That probably includes about 12 million illegals, many of whom are standing
around the local 7-11.
--
*****Have a Spectacular Day!*****

John H

I hope my next load of fuel comes from Norway
 

...and get smart enough to drill for the oil in our back yard, before
China
does.

Ah, no. Better to drain the foreign reserves dry before hitting our own.
We know what we've got here and when the crunch comes it'd be far better to
have our own to fall back on while the rest of the world panics.

I hope my next load of fuel comes from Norway
 

On Nov 21, 12:45 pm, HK wrote:
Bill Kearney wrote:
The citizens of this country earn a per capita income (not
"family income", but per capita) of $65,509 per year, spend a maximum
of $200 per yar for health care

Go do some homework on what the taxes are like. Personal property, sales
(VAT) and income are quite high.

When quoting figures it's a bit more important to be citing NET figures.

So are the direct benefits.

Norway has what the sick world needs, a metanoia, a conversion, a
reappraisal of our whole attitude towards life, accompanied by a
fundamental change in the climate in which people and things are
appraised. We need to radically change our culture to reject the
dehumanization of man so implicit in what "drives" our society in this
country today.

Wow, meaaaaaaan. that was really far out :O

I hope my next load of fuel comes from Norway
 

I hope my next load of fuel comes from Norway
 

On Wed, 21 Nov 2007 16:57:58 -0500, "Bill Kearney"
wkearney-99@hot-mail-com wrote:

...and get smart enough to drill for the oil in our back yard, before
China
does.

Ah, no. Better to drain the foreign reserves dry before hitting our own.
We know what we've got here and when the crunch comes it'd be far better to
have our own to fall back on while the rest of the world panics.

OK, as long as we quit making bull**** posts like this:

"Norway has what the sick world needs, a metanoia, a conversion, a
reappraisal of our whole attitude towards life, accompanied by a
fundamental change in the climate in which people and things are
appraised. We need to radically change our culture to reject the
dehumanization of man so implicit in what "drives" our society in this
country today."
--
John H

I hope my next load of fuel comes from Norway
 

Gene Kearns wrote:
On Wed, 21 Nov 2007 12:03:43 -0500, HK penned the following well
considered thoughts to the readers of rec.boats:

Chuck Gould wrote:
Even those of us who usually burn B20 are still using 80% dino-diesel.
Most of the crude oil the refiners use to create gasoline and diesel
comes from places that are explicitly unfriendly to the US, (and
according to the following article the Bush Administration is
concerned that some of those sources are bankrolling huge amounts of
capital for an eventual destabilizing financial assualt on the US
economy. It's not too late for Russia or China to win the final battle
in the Cold War).

However, also acording to the following article there is a source for
crude oil that takes a very enlightened approach to using its oil
wealth. The citizens of this country earn a per capita income (not
"family income", but per capita) of $65,509 per year, spend a maximum
of $200 per yar for health care, are in better physical shape and
enjoy a longer life expectancy than most Americans.

I hope that the next time I buy fuel, the crude oil comes from Norway.
(Probably won't, though).


http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/n...=1&cs et=true


Norway is far more advanced in most ways than the United States.

May be... but I don't think I would be bothering to post here if I
lived there. Regular gas is $8.98/gal there. I don't know what I would
do as a hobby.... but, I'm pretty sure boating would be out of reach.

I'd probably own a bigger boat in Venezuela..... $.12/gal.


I was at a marina today, talking to a friend heading out for some
feeeshing, and he filled up at $3.65 a gallon. The pump operator said he
had a call from his supplier, who told him the wholesale price was
probably going to go up another 10-15 cents by Monday.

I hope my next load of fuel comes from Norway
 

John H. wrote:
On Wed, 21 Nov 2007 16:57:58 -0500, "Bill Kearney"
wkearney-99@hot-mail-com wrote:

...and get smart enough to drill for the oil in our back yard, before
China
does.
Ah, no. Better to drain the foreign reserves dry before hitting our own.
We know what we've got here and when the crunch comes it'd be far better to
have our own to fall back on while the rest of the world panics.

OK, as long as we quit making bull**** posts like this:

"Norway has what the sick world needs, a metanoia, a conversion, a
reappraisal of our whole attitude towards life, accompanied by a
fundamental change in the climate in which people and things are
appraised. We need to radically change our culture to reject the
dehumanization of man so implicit in what "drives" our society in this
country today."


As if you had even the slightest idea what I meant.

I hope my next load of fuel comes from Norway
 

"HK" wrote in message
. ..

John H. wrote:



OK, as long as we quit making bull**** posts like this:


"Norway has what the sick world needs, a metanoia, a conversion, a
reappraisal of our whole attitude towards life, accompanied by a
fundamental change in the climate in which people and things are
appraised. We need to radically change our culture to reject the
dehumanization of man so implicit in what "drives" our society in this
country today."


As if you had even the slightest idea what I meant.

I do. I have relatives in both Norway and Sweden. Both sides of the family
have the utmost respect for the USA .... not necessarily who is leading it
at the moment ... but in our form of government.

Eisboch

I hope my next load of fuel comes from Norway
 

Eisboch wrote:
"HK" wrote in message
. ..

John H. wrote:


OK, as long as we quit making bull**** posts like this:


"Norway has what the sick world needs, a metanoia, a conversion, a
reappraisal of our whole attitude towards life, accompanied by a
fundamental change in the climate in which people and things are
appraised. We need to radically change our culture to reject the
dehumanization of man so implicit in what "drives" our society in this
country today."

As if you had even the slightest idea what I meant.

I do. I have relatives in both Norway and Sweden. Both sides of the family
have the utmost respect for the USA .... not necessarily who is leading it
at the moment ... but in our form of government.

Eisboch




I'm not talking about form of government. I am talking about culture and
society, and what they value.

I hope my next load of fuel comes from Norway
 

"Gene Kearns" wrote in message
...

I'd probably own a bigger boat in Venezuela..... $.12/gal.


And Chávez would probably seize your 25' Grady to be part of his Navy.

Eisboch

I hope my next load of fuel comes from Norway
 

"HK" wrote in message
. ..

I was at a marina today, talking to a friend heading out for some
feeeshing, and he filled up at $3.65 a gallon. The pump operator said he
had a call from his supplier, who told him the wholesale price was
probably going to go up another 10-15 cents by Monday.


My goodness. We are just about up to what we paid in Europe 30 years ago.

Eisboch

I hope my next load of fuel comes from Norway
 

Eisboch wrote:
"HK" wrote in message
. ..
I was at a marina today, talking to a friend heading out for some
feeeshing, and he filled up at $3.65 a gallon. The pump operator said he
had a call from his supplier, who told him the wholesale price was
probably going to go up another 10-15 cents by Monday.


My goodness. We are just about up to what we paid in Europe 30 years ago.

Eisboch




If you are an average income American, the pump prices are killing your
family's budget.

I hope my next load of fuel comes from Norway
 

On Nov 21, 10:38�am, "BillP" wrote:
"Chuck Gould" wrote in message

...





Even those of us who usually burn B20 are still using 80% dino-diesel.
Most of the crude oil the refiners use to create gasoline and diesel
comes from places that are explicitly unfriendly to the US, (and
according to the following article the Bush Administration is
concerned that some of those sources are bankrolling huge amounts of
capital for an eventual destabilizing financial assualt on the US
economy. It's not too late for Russia or China to win the final battle
in the Cold War).

However, also acording to the following article there is a source for
crude oil that takes a very enlightened approach to using its oil
wealth. The citizens of this country earn a per capita income (not
"family income", but per capita) of $65,509 per year, spend a maximum
of $200 per yar for health care, are in better physical shape and
enjoy a longer life expectancy than most Americans.

I hope that the next time I buy fuel, the crude oil comes from Norway.
(Probably won't, though).

In real purchasing power per capita (PPP) Norway is $42,364 as compared to
the US at $41,399 (2005)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Per_capita_income- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Very good research!

So my supposition that the generally higher taxes collected from
generally higher incomes in Norway still leave a decent amount of net
spendable income in place appears to be well founded.

Meanwhile, the Norwegians enjoy $200 per year health care expenses,
public retirement villages in warm weather climates, and other social
advantages we choose not to fund.

To repeat: I'm happy to live in the US, but I'd rather send my fuel
money to Norway than to the Arabs, the Chinese, or the Russians.

I hope my next load of fuel comes from Norway
 

"HK" wrote in message
. ..

Eisboch wrote:

"HK" wrote in message
. ..


"Norway has what the sick world needs, a metanoia, a conversion, a
reappraisal of our whole attitude towards life, accompanied by a
fundamental change in the climate in which people and things are
appraised. We need to radically change our culture to reject the
dehumanization of man so implicit in what "drives" our society in this
country today."

As if you had even the slightest idea what I meant.

I do. I have relatives in both Norway and Sweden. Both sides of the
family have the utmost respect for the USA .... not necessarily who is
leading it at the moment ... but in our form of government.

Eisboch


I'm not talking about form of government. I am talking about culture and
society, and what they value.

I think you would be surprised. And I know exactly what you are talking
about.

Eisboch

I hope my next load of fuel comes from Norway
 

"HK" wrote in message
. ..
Eisboch wrote:
"HK" wrote in message
. ..
I was at a marina today, talking to a friend heading out for some
feeeshing, and he filled up at $3.65 a gallon. The pump operator said he
had a call from his supplier, who told him the wholesale price was
probably going to go up another 10-15 cents by Monday.


My goodness. We are just about up to what we paid in Europe 30 years
ago.

Eisboch


If you are an average income American, the pump prices are killing your
family's budget.

I see. So, you advocate lower fuel prices in the USA .....?

Why?

Eisboch

I hope my next load of fuel comes from Norway
 

Eisboch wrote:
"HK" wrote in message
. ..
Eisboch wrote:
"HK" wrote in message
. ..
I was at a marina today, talking to a friend heading out for some
feeeshing, and he filled up at $3.65 a gallon. The pump operator said he
had a call from his supplier, who told him the wholesale price was
probably going to go up another 10-15 cents by Monday.

My goodness. We are just about up to what we paid in Europe 30 years
ago.

Eisboch

If you are an average income American, the pump prices are killing your
family's budget.

I see. So, you advocate lower fuel prices in the USA .....?

Why?

Eisboch




The absence of general economic democracy in this country no longer is
hidden by a rising standard of living for workers, a reduction in the
gap between rich and poor, and the ameliorative effects of social
welfare programs. We have seen the deranged become normal.

I hope my next load of fuel comes from Norway
 

"HK" wrote in message
. ..

Eisboch wrote:

I see. So, you advocate lower fuel prices in the USA .....?

Why?





The absence of general economic democracy in this country no longer is
hidden by a rising standard of living for workers, a reduction in the gap
between rich and poor, and the ameliorative effects of social welfare
programs. We have seen the deranged become normal.

Gimmee some time to digest that paragraph.

Eisboch

I hope my next load of fuel comes from Norway
 

"Gene Kearns" wrote in message
...
On Wed, 21 Nov 2007 12:03:43 -0500, HK penned the following well
considered thoughts to the readers of rec.boats:


May be... but I don't think I would be bothering to post here if I
lived there. Regular gas is $8.98/gal there. I don't know what I would
do as a hobby.... but, I'm pretty sure boating would be out of reach.

I'd probably own a bigger boat in Venezuela..... $.12/gal.



You'd own a sailboat and be better off for it. ;-)

I hope my next load of fuel comes from Norway
 

"HK" wrote in message
. ..
Eisboch wrote:
"HK" wrote in message
. ..
I was at a marina today, talking to a friend heading out for some
feeeshing, and he filled up at $3.65 a gallon. The pump operator said he
had a call from his supplier, who told him the wholesale price was
probably going to go up another 10-15 cents by Monday.


My goodness. We are just about up to what we paid in Europe 30 years
ago.

Eisboch


If you are an average income American, the pump prices are killing your
family's budget.

Can you imagine what this does to independent taxi drivers, truckers etc who
may be regulated and can't always pass that cost on.

I hope my next load of fuel comes from Norway
 

On Wed, 21 Nov 2007 18:42:29 -0500, "Eisboch" wrote:


"HK" wrote in message
...

Eisboch wrote:

I see. So, you advocate lower fuel prices in the USA .....?

Why?

The absence of general economic democracy in this country no longer is
hidden by a rising standard of living for workers, a reduction in the gap
between rich and poor, and the ameliorative effects of social welfare
programs. We have seen the deranged become normal.

Gimmee some time to digest that paragraph.

Use paragoric - it might help. :)

I hope my next load of fuel comes from Norway
 

On Wed, 21 Nov 2007 18:07:03 -0500, HK wrote:

Eisboch wrote:
"HK" wrote in message
. ..
I was at a marina today, talking to a friend heading out for some
feeeshing, and he filled up at $3.65 a gallon. The pump operator said he
had a call from his supplier, who told him the wholesale price was
probably going to go up another 10-15 cents by Monday.


My goodness. We are just about up to what we paid in Europe 30 years ago.

Eisboch




If you are an average income American, the pump prices are killing your
family's budget.

I worked PT at UPS washing/fueling trucks while I attended college.
In 1976 I was making 10 bucks an hour. The package loaders/unloaders
were making about 11 bucks, but had a tougher job aside from weather.
Gas - and everything else - was a lot cheaper in 1976.
I was paying a mortgage, had 3 kids and my wife was a housewife, home
with the kids.
With about 165 bucks UPS takehome pay and another 100 from the GI
Bill, we were doing fine.
Went on the UPS website today.
Package guys are now making 8.50 - 9.00 an hour.
Which is a couple bucks less than in 1976.
Progress.

--Vic

I hope my next load of fuel comes from Norway
 

On Wed, 21 Nov 2007 18:35:37 -0500, HK wrote:

Eisboch wrote:
"HK" wrote in message
. ..
Eisboch wrote:
"HK" wrote in message
. ..
I was at a marina today, talking to a friend heading out for some
feeeshing, and he filled up at $3.65 a gallon. The pump operator said he
had a call from his supplier, who told him the wholesale price was
probably going to go up another 10-15 cents by Monday.

My goodness. We are just about up to what we paid in Europe 30 years
ago.

Eisboch

If you are an average income American, the pump prices are killing your
family's budget.

I see. So, you advocate lower fuel prices in the USA .....?

Why?

Eisboch




The absence of general economic democracy in this country no longer is
hidden by a rising standard of living for workers, a reduction in the
gap between rich and poor, and the ameliorative effects of social
welfare programs. We have seen the deranged become normal.

The absence of socialism means everyone can have a boat, but they must work
for it. Completing high school helps. Being a legal immigrant also helps.

Harry, I think Norway is calling you.
--
John H

I hope my next load of fuel comes from Norway
 

On Wed, 21 Nov 2007 17:59:18 -0600, Vic Smith
wrote:

On Wed, 21 Nov 2007 18:07:03 -0500, HK wrote:

Eisboch wrote:
"HK" wrote in message
. ..
I was at a marina today, talking to a friend heading out for some
feeeshing, and he filled up at $3.65 a gallon. The pump operator said he
had a call from his supplier, who told him the wholesale price was
probably going to go up another 10-15 cents by Monday.


My goodness. We are just about up to what we paid in Europe 30 years ago.

Eisboch




If you are an average income American, the pump prices are killing your
family's budget.

I worked PT at UPS washing/fueling trucks while I attended college.
In 1976 I was making 10 bucks an hour. The package loaders/unloaders
were making about 11 bucks, but had a tougher job aside from weather.
Gas - and everything else - was a lot cheaper in 1976.
I was paying a mortgage, had 3 kids and my wife was a housewife, home
with the kids.
With about 165 bucks UPS takehome pay and another 100 from the GI
Bill, we were doing fine.
Went on the UPS website today.
Package guys are now making 8.50 - 9.00 an hour.
Which is a couple bucks less than in 1976.
Progress.

--Vic

And they're probably illegal immigrants. Why should anyone pay more when
the supply is everywhere? Some day someone will figure that out.
--
John H

I hope my next load of fuel comes from Norway
 

On Wed, 21 Nov 2007 17:28:13 -0500, HK wrote:

John H. wrote:
On Wed, 21 Nov 2007 16:57:58 -0500, "Bill Kearney"
wkearney-99@hot-mail-com wrote:

...and get smart enough to drill for the oil in our back yard, before
China
does.
Ah, no. Better to drain the foreign reserves dry before hitting our own.
We know what we've got here and when the crunch comes it'd be far better to
have our own to fall back on while the rest of the world panics.

OK, as long as we quit making bull**** posts like this:

"Norway has what the sick world needs, a metanoia, a conversion, a
reappraisal of our whole attitude towards life, accompanied by a
fundamental change in the climate in which people and things are
appraised. We need to radically change our culture to reject the
dehumanization of man so implicit in what "drives" our society in this
country today."


As if you had even the slightest idea what I meant.

Not much in the way of intellectual prowess is needed to figure out what
you mean, Harry.
--
John H

I hope my next load of fuel comes from Norway
 

HK wrote:
Chuck Gould wrote:
Even those of us who usually burn B20 are still using 80% dino-diesel.
Most of the crude oil the refiners use to create gasoline and diesel
comes from places that are explicitly unfriendly to the US, (and
according to the following article the Bush Administration is
concerned that some of those sources are bankrolling huge amounts of
capital for an eventual destabilizing financial assualt on the US
economy. It's not too late for Russia or China to win the final battle
in the Cold War).

However, also acording to the following article there is a source for
crude oil that takes a very enlightened approach to using its oil
wealth. The citizens of this country earn a per capita income (not
"family income", but per capita) of $65,509 per year, spend a maximum
of $200 per yar for health care, are in better physical shape and
enjoy a longer life expectancy than most Americans.

I hope that the next time I buy fuel, the crude oil comes from Norway.
(Probably won't, though).


http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/n...=1&cs et=true




Norway is far more advanced in most ways than the United States.

Their oil wealth has turned them all lazy.

I hope my next load of fuel comes from Norway
 

HK wrote:
Bill Kearney wrote:
The citizens of this country earn a per capita income (not
"family income", but per capita) of $65,509 per year, spend a maximum
of $200 per yar for health care

Go do some homework on what the taxes are like. Personal property, sales
(VAT) and income are quite high.

When quoting figures it's a bit more important to be citing NET figures.



So are the direct benefits.

Norway has what the sick world needs, a metanoia, a conversion, a
reappraisal of our whole attitude towards life, accompanied by a
fundamental change in the climate in which people and things are
appraised. We need to radically change our culture to reject the
dehumanization of man so implicit in what "drives" our society in this
country today.

That is your opinion.

If you like the Norwegian way of life I sure you can hop a tramp steamer
and be there in a couple of months.