On Mon, 19 Nov 2007 18:18:14 -0500, "Eisboch"
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"Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message
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On Mon, 19 Nov 2007 17:47:49 -0500, HK wrote:


I suspect neither of you know what a steamfitter does. He doesn't
replace sewage traps.

I know what a steam/pipe fitter does.

It's a five year apprentice ship program - just like a freakin'
plumber.

The only difference is steam/high pressure welding.

Most of the union qualified welders flunked our basic vacuum welding (TIG)
test.

And, (scaringly) some held a "N" code for nuclear related welding.

What annoyed me was the whole equivilency thing.

What the job requires is a basic high school education - nothing more
or less. The rest is all OJT.

It took me 8 years after I graduated with a degree in math to finish
out my education and I was working the whole time.

Ain't no way a freakin' plumber's education is equivilent to that.

"Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message
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It took me 8 years after I graduated with a degree in math to finish
out my education and I was working the whole time.

Ain't no way a freakin' plumber's education is equivilent to that.

Until you get a leak in the basement at 1am.

Eisboch

" JimH" ask wrote in message
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"Eisboch" wrote in message
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There are very good and qualified union tradespeople out there.
There are also very good and qualified non-union tradespeople as well.

Eisboch






We are talking about qualifications and competencies at this point, not
benefits, lawyers or job security.



Please re-read my last two sentences (above).

Eisboch

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On Mon, 19 Nov 2007 18:00:02 -0500, "D.Duck" wrote:


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On Mon, 19 Nov 2007 16:49:13 -0500, " JimH" ask wrote:


"Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message
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Let us all give thanks to Thomas Crapper for this wonderful invention.

Which is also used on boats, so it's appropriate.

http://www.cwwa.ca/internationalwaterdays_e.asp

I cannot wait to find out what we celebrate tomorrow! ;-)

Armageddon.

Hey, that was my guess for the other day. You plagiarizing?

Yep.

Well, OK then....

" JimH" ask wrote in message
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We are talking about qualifications and competencies at this point, not
benefits, lawyers or job security.


Focusing on welding, anybody .... union or not .... can be tested and
certified to several different qualification requirements, including "N"
code, "U" code and others.

Participation in a union is not a requirement for taking the test or being
qualified.

Union and non-union qualifications are exactly the same.

Eisboch

On Mon, 19 Nov 2007 18:47:39 -0500, "Eisboch"
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"Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message
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It took me 8 years after I graduated with a degree in math to finish
out my education and I was working the whole time.

Ain't no way a freakin' plumber's education is equivilent to that.

Until you get a leak in the basement at 1am.

Which has nothing to do with education, but availability.

However, you make a good point. :)

On Mon, 19 Nov 2007 19:02:12 -0500, "D.Duck" wrote:


"Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message
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On Mon, 19 Nov 2007 18:00:02 -0500, "D.Duck" wrote:


"Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message
news On Mon, 19 Nov 2007 16:49:13 -0500, " JimH" ask wrote:


"Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message
om...
Let us all give thanks to Thomas Crapper for this wonderful invention.

Which is also used on boats, so it's appropriate.

http://www.cwwa.ca/internationalwaterdays_e.asp

I cannot wait to find out what we celebrate tomorrow! ;-)

Armageddon.

Hey, that was my guess for the other day. You plagiarizing?

Yep.

Well, OK then....

Fine - be that way.

" JimH" ask wrote in message
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"Eisboch" wrote in message
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" JimH" ask wrote in message
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We are talking about qualifications and competencies at this point, not
benefits, lawyers or job security.


Union and non-union qualifications are exactly the same.

Eisboch



Cite?

Regardless, this discussion is going nowhere. Have a nice evening.


I am saying that the test required of a welder to get a particular
certification ... "N" code, "U" code or whatever does not require a union
affiliation.

Same with a plumber's license. Or an electrician's license. The
requirements to demonstrate knowledge, skill and competence are the same,
union or not.

I am not trying to convince you. I am offering a counter argument to a
particular union advocate .... namely Harry.

Eisboch

Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
Let us all give thanks to Thomas Crapper for this wonderful invention.

Which is also used on boats, so it's appropriate.

http://www.cwwa.ca/internationalwaterdays_e.asp

I payed homage to Thomas twice today and I may throw in a third thanks.

HK wrote:
Reginald Smithers III wrote:
HK wrote:
Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
Let us all give thanks to Thomas Crapper for this wonderful invention.

Which is also used on boats, so it's appropriate.

http://www.cwwa.ca/internationalwaterdays_e.asp


If I had a youngster today, I'd advise them to enter a union
apprenticeship program for either plumbing or electrical. No matter
where these society goes, it is going to want indoor plumbing and
electricity.

There's a chance the nuke plant near us might be expanded. If so, it
will mean several years of very high paying work for union plumbers
and electricians, among others. We're talking about $100,000+ a year,
family-supporting jobs for hardworking men and women who have the
skills to do the necessary critical work.


I had a plumber quote me $465 to change the trap under my mothers
sink. I think he is making more than they make at the nuke plant. Of
course, I didn't hire him, I did it myself.



Yeah, well, if you weren't such an a**hole, the plumber might have
charged $125.

I would still do it myself. 20 minutes work and about $10 in supplies.

The nuke plant plumbers are mostly steamfitters.
It takes a lot more education, training, and skill to become a
steamfitter than it does to become a college graduate.

You can learn to be a steamfitter in the military and you can learn to
operate a nuke plant in the military too.