On Mon, 19 Nov 2007 15:59:11 -0500, DownTime wrote:

John H. wrote:
On Mon, 19 Nov 2007 15:02:51 -0500, DownTime wrote:

John H. wrote:
Can you speak Chinese?
No, and I have no plans to learn it either.

Then you'd better hope the USA maintains an interest in world affairs.

Glad you brought that up, what good to the USA has come about by
off-shoring jobs and manufacturing? The lead-based paint in children's
toys and poisoned foodstuffs is enough for me to check labels and choose
to only buy American from now on.

The government didn't offshore, the companies looking for profits did that.
There is a big 'anti-corporate' push coming from a segment of our society.
Why should corporations put up with it? I'm sure, if a certain segment runs
our government, we'll soon see the CEO's following their jobs and
manufacturing. Why be considered the 'bad guy' by those running the
government?

I am not saying to ignore them, or anyone for that matter. I am just
questioning the so-called need to give away billions of dollars annually
in the name of aid to foreign countries and entities for which there is
practically zero return to the USA.

The off-shoring of jobs started as a way to save corporations money, the
truth of the matter is it rarely if ever pans out to be so. The ROI of
these projects is not what you might expect. Have you had a look at what
the companies & top tier folks who supply Asian Indian IT talent are
making? The numbers are mind boggling. The workers who come over are
generally well-educated, but making a fraction of the pay an American
counterpart. The corporations these folks work for make HUGE profits.
The end result is the companies hiring these folks as sub-contractors in
the name of saving money on the per-person cost, are simply fooling
themselves. They end up paying close to the same amount at the end of
the project for what they could have hired locally. But they now have
the feel good sensation of off-shoring to save money, but the project
bottom line proves this is a myth.

General Electric started the big push back in the early 90s. The word
then was GE wanted to sell more products to the growing country of
India. Steam turbines, locomotives, large scale products. The Govt of
India wanted something in trade to help their economy, about the only
reasonable product or service useful in any way to GE was 'IT services".

It started out decent enough, at least initially the resources coming
over were able to communicate effectively and get the jobs done.
Eventually greed took over on the part of their homeland firms and we
had documented cases where the resume and person interviewed over the
phone turned out to not be the person who eventually showed up to do the
work.

Sounds like you've got it all figured out.

What kind of boat do you have? Where do you boat?

DownTime wrote:
BAR wrote:
No, you cannot count on my vote. The USA has interests around the
world and those interests need to be supported.

OK, you are fully entitled your vote for the candidate of your choice.

Can you provide me a 'for example' of these interests? Maybe explain to
me how an American life be justified to protect it? Can you also state
this in terms of the financial costs vs. benefits?

The reduce our dependence upon foreign oil crowd needs to understand
that we can do just that reduce our dependence upon foreign oil if we
start drilling in ANWR, Calif. coast, Florida coast. And, build new
refineries. Until we are ready to do this we will depend upon foreign
oil from Canada, Mexico, Venezuela, and the middle east and these are
some of our foreign interests

I truly am interested to understand the other side and maybe I might
change my opinion some.

I am not looking to change your opinion just your understanding that we
cannot live in a vacuum.

DownTime wrote:
Eisboch wrote:

We have treaties and agreements with many countries obligating us to
do so.

(bag of worms here, I know, but still ....)

Eisboch

"In a study of 200,000 ostriches over a period of 80 years, no one
reported a single case where an ostrich buried its head in the sand
(or attempted to do so)."

Uh, I think maybe you are actually helping my case. Thank you!

Just because some (fill in your own adjective!) politician signed the
treaty or agreement in the first place, does that make it the right
thing to do for the American people? Are the lives of our troops a
justifiable cost? I do not think so.

It comes down to honoring your commitments. And being trusted to honor
your commitments.

"BAR" wrote in message
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It comes down to honoring your commitments. And being trusted to honor
your commitments.

Bingo.

You've got it.

Eisboch

On Nov 18, 3:59�pm, John H. wrote:
Something cool that Xerox is doing ... Please take a moment to go to the
website below and pick out a thank you card for our Troops. �We've got tons
to be thankful for during the holiday season. �Wouldn't it be wonderful of
each of our soldiers (and Marines, of course) received a bunch of these???

If you go to this web site,www.LetsSayThanks.comyou can pick out a thank
you card. Then Xerox will print it and send it to a soldier
currently serving in Iraq .

You can't pick out who gets it, but it will go to some member of the armed
services.

Have a super day!

Some holiday mailing tips from MSNBC:

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/6435603/

And this item:

http://www.treatsfortroops.com/

Chuck Gould wrote:
On Nov 18, 3:59�pm, John H. wrote:
Something cool that Xerox is doing ... Please take a moment to go to the
website below and pick out a thank you card for our Troops. �We've got tons
to be thankful for during the holiday season. �Wouldn't it be wonderful of
each of our soldiers (and Marines, of course) received a bunch of these???

If you go to this web site,www.LetsSayThanks.comyou can pick out a thank
you card. Then Xerox will print it and send it to a soldier
currently serving in Iraq .

You can't pick out who gets it, but it will go to some member of the armed
services.

Have a super day!

Some holiday mailing tips from MSNBC:

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/6435603/

And this item:

http://www.treatsfortroops.com/


Sending a soldier in Iraq or Afghanistan a nice care package probably
has more meaning than sending a greeting card.

John H. wrote:
On Mon, 19 Nov 2007 22:22:36 -0500, HK wrote:

Chuck Gould wrote:
On Nov 18, 3:59?pm, John H. wrote:
Something cool that Xerox is doing ... Please take a moment to go to the
website below and pick out a thank you card for our Troops. ?We've got tons
to be thankful for during the holiday season. ?Wouldn't it be wonderful of
each of our soldiers (and Marines, of course) received a bunch of these???

If you go to this web site,www.LetsSayThanks.comyou can pick out a thank
you card. Then Xerox will print it and send it to a soldier
currently serving in Iraq .

You can't pick out who gets it, but it will go to some member of the armed
services.

Have a super day!
Some holiday mailing tips from MSNBC:

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/6435603/

And this item:

http://www.treatsfortroops.com/

Sending a soldier in Iraq or Afghanistan a nice care package probably
has more meaning than sending a greeting card.

Having been there and done that, Harry, I can honestly say that receiving
*anything* is very enjoyable!

But yes, a little pogey bait is always appreciated!


The best way to catch pogies is with a cast net.

John H. wrote:
On Mon, 19 Nov 2007 22:22:36 -0500, HK wrote:

Chuck Gould wrote:
On Nov 18, 3:59?pm, John H. wrote:
Something cool that Xerox is doing ... Please take a moment to go to the
website below and pick out a thank you card for our Troops. ?We've got tons
to be thankful for during the holiday season. ?Wouldn't it be wonderful of
each of our soldiers (and Marines, of course) received a bunch of these???

If you go to this web site,www.LetsSayThanks.comyou can pick out a thank
you card. Then Xerox will print it and send it to a soldier
currently serving in Iraq .

You can't pick out who gets it, but it will go to some member of the armed
services.

Have a super day!
Some holiday mailing tips from MSNBC:

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/6435603/

And this item:

http://www.treatsfortroops.com/

Sending a soldier in Iraq or Afghanistan a nice care package probably
has more meaning than sending a greeting card.

Having been there and done that, Harry, I can honestly say that receiving
*anything* is very enjoyable!

But yes, a little pogey bait is always appreciated!

I gift basket is a much better gift, and I definitely will have to send
one, but I will continue to fill out the card when I log on. Somehow it
seems better than JimH tell his kid and friends the number of people in
rec.boats who wished them godspeed.

Reginald Smithers III wrote:
John H. wrote:
On Mon, 19 Nov 2007 22:22:36 -0500, HK wrote:

Chuck Gould wrote:
On Nov 18, 3:59?pm, John H. wrote:
Something cool that Xerox is doing ... Please take a moment to go
to the
website below and pick out a thank you card for our Troops. ?We've
got tons
to be thankful for during the holiday season. ?Wouldn't it be
wonderful of
each of our soldiers (and Marines, of course) received a bunch of
these???

If you go to this web site,www.LetsSayThanks.comyou can pick out a
thank
you card. Then Xerox will print it and send it to a soldier
currently serving in Iraq .

You can't pick out who gets it, but it will go to some member of
the armed
services.

Have a super day!
Some holiday mailing tips from MSNBC:

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/6435603/

And this item:

http://www.treatsfortroops.com/

Sending a soldier in Iraq or Afghanistan a nice care package probably
has more meaning than sending a greeting card.

Having been there and done that, Harry, I can honestly say that receiving
*anything* is very enjoyable!

But yes, a little pogey bait is always appreciated!

A gift basket is a much better gift, and I definitely will have to send
one, but I will continue to fill out the card when I log on. Somehow it
seems better than JimH tell his kid and friends the number of people in
rec.boats who wished them godspeed.

On Tue, 20 Nov 2007 08:36:43 -0500, John H.
wrote:

On Tue, 20 Nov 2007 07:29:35 -0500, HK wrote:

John H. wrote:
On Mon, 19 Nov 2007 22:22:36 -0500, HK wrote:

Chuck Gould wrote:
On Nov 18, 3:59?pm, John H. wrote:
Something cool that Xerox is doing ... Please take a moment to go to the
website below and pick out a thank you card for our Troops. ?We've got tons
to be thankful for during the holiday season. ?Wouldn't it be wonderful of
each of our soldiers (and Marines, of course) received a bunch of these???

If you go to this web site,www.LetsSayThanks.comyou can pick out a thank
you card. Then Xerox will print it and send it to a soldier
currently serving in Iraq .

You can't pick out who gets it, but it will go to some member of the armed
services.

Have a super day!
Some holiday mailing tips from MSNBC:

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/6435603/

And this item:

http://www.treatsfortroops.com/

Sending a soldier in Iraq or Afghanistan a nice care package probably
has more meaning than sending a greeting card.

Having been there and done that, Harry, I can honestly say that receiving
*anything* is very enjoyable!

But yes, a little pogey bait is always appreciated!

The best way to catch pogies is with a cast net.

Google is your friend, since you weren't there.

~~ heh ~~