On Nov 12, 5:10 pm, BAR wrote:
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On Nov 12, 9:14 am, "BillP" wrote:
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I notice your head is still firmly planted in the sand!
Do The Math
1- Atmospheric CO2 is not the only, not even the primary greenhouse gas.
Water Vapor is the major component (95%).
2- All atmospheric CO2 from all sources is less than (three hundredths) .03
of the total of all greenhouse gases.
3- All man made atmospheric CO2 is less than (nine ten thousandths) .0009 of
all greenhouse gases.
4- All US produced atmospheric CO2 is less than (three hundred twenty four
millionths) .000324 of all greenhouse gases.
5- The Kyoto Protocol requires the US to reduce our atmospheric CO2
production by (four hundred eighty six ten millionths) .0000486 of all
greenhouse gases.
6- This US CO2 reduction is equivalent to reducing a full to the brim
standard US bathtub by 3/4 of a teaspoon. A ratio of 1 to 20,576.

A- It is mathematically unlikely that atmospheric CO2 is the cause of global
warming.
B- It is mathematically improbable that MAN MADE atmospheric CO2 causes
global warming.
C- It is mathematically impossible that US PRODUCED atmospheric CO2 is a
cause of global warming.
D- It is mathematically 20,576 times MORE IMPOSSIBLE that reducing US
produced atmospheric CO2 will have ANY IMPACT at all on global warming.

Do you want to raise all US prices by 32%, raise unemployment by 300%, and
give up US sovereignty to the United Nations in order to remove 3/4 teaspoon
of water from a full bathtub?

Cutting US CO2 production to the levels required by the Kyoto Protocols
results in NO STATISTICAL IMPACT on total atmospheric CO2 and NO PRACTICAL
IMPACT on global warming.

CONCLUSION

There can be only 3 logical reasons why some people are man-made global
warming proponents.
They are either:

1- Ignorant: They don't know the truth.
2- Delusional: They know the truth but refuse to believe it.
3- Liars: They know the truth and believe it, but they promote the lie for
personal benefit.

The world is warming but not because of man's activity.

Yeah, sure, a very few scientists, and only one's with an agenda, come
up with that drivel, while thousands upon thousands (and yes, some of
them have an agenda too) have good hard data to show otherwise. People
like you and Shortwave prefer to stick your heads in the sand and
ignore that data, and will only look at data that you THINK helps make
your point.

Take a stab at telling us why Mars is heating up at the same rate as
Earth.

It's not heating at the same rate as Earth.


Tell us how the Martians have increased the level of greenhouse
gases in the Martian atmosphere.

Apples and oranges. It's absurdly stupid to try and compare Mar's
environment to Earths.



You can't look at the Earth without looking at the surrounding planets.-

Horse****, and ignorance.

Here's a start:

http://www.realclimate.org/index.php?p=192




Recently, there have been some suggestions that "global warming" has
been observed on Mars (e.g. here). These are based on observations of
regional change around the South Polar Cap, but seem to have been
extended into a "global" change, and used by some to infer an external
common mechanism for global warming on Earth and Mars (e.g. here and
here). But this is incorrect reasoning and based on faulty
understanding of the data.



A couple of basic issues first : the Martian year is about 2 Earth
years (687 days). Currently it is late winter in Mars's northern
hemisphere, so late summer in the southern hemisphere. Martian
eccentricity is about 0.1 - over 5 times larger than Earth's, so the
insolation (INcoming SOLar radiATION) variation over the orbit is
substantial, and contributes significantly more to seasonality than on
the Earth, although Mars's obliquity (the angle of its spin axis to
the orbital plane) still dominates the seasons. The alignment of
obliquity and eccentricity due to precession is a much stronger effect
than for the Earth, leading to "great" summers and winters on time
scales of tens of thousands of years (the precessional period is
170,000 years). Since Mars has no oceans and a thin atmosphere, the
thermal inertia is low, and Martian climate is easily perturbed by
external influences, including solar variations. However, solar
irradiance is now well measured by satellite and has been declining
slightly over the last few years as it moves towards a solar minimum.