On Wed, 31 Oct 2007 14:20:13 -0400, Gene Kearns
wrote:

On Wed, 31 Oct 2007 11:28:00 -0500, John H. penned the following well
considered thoughts to the readers of rec.boats:

On Wed, 31 Oct 2007 07:17:12 -0700, Chuck Gould
wrote:

USA Today reports this morning that Homeland Security has ordered one
of its divisions, (the USCG) to define a plan to positively identify
boaters. The rationale is that small boats could be loaded with
explosives and used to
blow up military or commercial vessels, ala USS Cole. Until the USCG
presents its plan we don't know the details, but possible requirements
*could* include, at a minimum, carrying a national Boater ID card.
(Something the Administration seems to favor, based on its proposals
in several areas).

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I'm a believer in a national ID card, whether it helps ID boaters or not.
Of course, many who are in favor of illegal immigration are opposed to
same.

Your rationale could easily be applied to boat or vehicle registration or
birth certificates.

Europeans don't leave home without their national ID. We should be doing
the same.

Wouldn't it be more prudent and cost effective to have chips implanted
at birth? No more lost children or adults, in case of emergency you
could be immediately located and identified, and the government would
know where you are at any given time. No more terrorism!

It would be even more prudent to completely do away with any form of ID? No
birth certificate, no diplomas, no paperwork of any kind which identifies a
person. You say you're Gene, I say I'm Gene, and no one can tell the
difference, except maybe your mom. But, that would assume she was given the
right child at the hospital, where no form of ID was used. Interesting.

"John H." wrote in message
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It would be even more prudent to completely do away with any form of ID?
No
birth certificate, no diplomas, no paperwork of any kind which identifies
a
person. You say you're Gene, I say I'm Gene, and no one can tell the
difference, except maybe your mom. But, that would assume she was given
the
right child at the hospital, where no form of ID was used. Interesting.


I like it. Think about it .... 100 years ago nobody had a driver's license
or a social security card number. Many probably didn't even have a birth
certificate.

It gives cause to really think about where we are heading. Implanted chips
at birth is not out of the question.

Eisboch

"Eisboch" wrote in message
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"John H." wrote in message
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It would be even more prudent to completely do away with any form of ID?
No
birth certificate, no diplomas, no paperwork of any kind which identifies
a
person. You say you're Gene, I say I'm Gene, and no one can tell the
difference, except maybe your mom. But, that would assume she was given
the
right child at the hospital, where no form of ID was used. Interesting.


I like it. Think about it .... 100 years ago nobody had a driver's
license or a social security card number. Many probably didn't even have
a birth certificate.

It gives cause to really think about where we are heading. Implanted
chips at birth is not out of the question.

Eisboch


Very, VERY bad idea....

"JoeSpareBedroom" wrote in message
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"Eisboch" wrote in message
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I like it. Think about it .... 100 years ago nobody had a driver's
license or a social security card number. Many probably didn't even have
a birth certificate.

It gives cause to really think about where we are heading. Implanted
chips at birth is not out of the question.

Eisboch


Very, VERY bad idea....


I can think of one presidential candidate who would probably love the idea.
You know .... the one that wants to bonus every kid with 5k at birth. How
else will your "investment" be tracked?

Eisboch

"Eisboch" wrote in message
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"JoeSpareBedroom" wrote in message
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"Eisboch" wrote in message
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I like it. Think about it .... 100 years ago nobody had a driver's
license or a social security card number. Many probably didn't even
have a birth certificate.

It gives cause to really think about where we are heading. Implanted
chips at birth is not out of the question.

Eisboch


Very, VERY bad idea....


I can think of one presidential candidate who would probably love the
idea. You know .... the one that wants to bonus every kid with 5k at
birth. How else will your "investment" be tracked?

Eisboch


Read a story in the NY Times about a month ago, about a British woman who's
been visiting here to teach for quite a few years. Suddenly, her visa was
revoked. Friends here have asked their congressman to look into it, and
they've had lawyers pound the government for answers, but absolutely nobody
can seem to find out what the problem is. She doesn't seem to be even
remotely connected with terrorism issues.

With a government like ours, this could be you or I mistakenly labeled as
who-knows-what. I wouldn't wanna be "chipped" under those circumstances.

JoeSpareBedroom wrote:
"Eisboch" wrote in message
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"JoeSpareBedroom" wrote in message
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"Eisboch" wrote in message
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I like it. Think about it .... 100 years ago nobody had a driver's
license or a social security card number. Many probably didn't even
have a birth certificate.

It gives cause to really think about where we are heading. Implanted
chips at birth is not out of the question.

Eisboch

Very, VERY bad idea....

I can think of one presidential candidate who would probably love the
idea. You know .... the one that wants to bonus every kid with 5k at
birth. How else will your "investment" be tracked?

Eisboch


Read a story in the NY Times about a month ago, about a British woman who's
been visiting here to teach for quite a few years. Suddenly, her visa was
revoked. Friends here have asked their congressman to look into it, and
they've had lawyers pound the government for answers, but absolutely nobody
can seem to find out what the problem is. She doesn't seem to be even
remotely connected with terrorism issues.

What right does she have to be here in the first place.

JoeSpareBedroom wrote:
"Eisboch" wrote in message
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"JoeSpareBedroom" wrote in message
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"Eisboch" wrote in message
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I like it. Think about it .... 100 years ago nobody had a driver's
license or a social security card number. Many probably didn't even
have a birth certificate.

It gives cause to really think about where we are heading. Implanted
chips at birth is not out of the question.

Eisboch

Very, VERY bad idea....

I can think of one presidential candidate who would probably love the
idea. You know .... the one that wants to bonus every kid with 5k at
birth. How else will your "investment" be tracked?

Eisboch


Read a story in the NY Times about a month ago, about a British woman who's
been visiting here to teach for quite a few years. Suddenly, her visa was
revoked. Friends here have asked their congressman to look into it, and
they've had lawyers pound the government for answers, but absolutely nobody
can seem to find out what the problem is. She doesn't seem to be even
remotely connected with terrorism issues.

With a government like ours, this could be you or I mistakenly labeled as
who-knows-what. I wouldn't wanna be "chipped" under those circumstances.



Joe,
I have been forwarding all of your posts to the proper govt. agency, and
they do not appreciate your attitude. I am not sure what they meant,
but they said something about Gitmo.

On Wed, 31 Oct 2007 15:47:23 -0400, "Eisboch" wrote:


"John H." wrote in message
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It would be even more prudent to completely do away with any form of ID?
No
birth certificate, no diplomas, no paperwork of any kind which identifies
a
person. You say you're Gene, I say I'm Gene, and no one can tell the
difference, except maybe your mom. But, that would assume she was given
the
right child at the hospital, where no form of ID was used. Interesting.


I like it. Think about it .... 100 years ago nobody had a driver's license
or a social security card number. Many probably didn't even have a birth
certificate.

It gives cause to really think about where we are heading. Implanted chips
at birth is not out of the question.

Eisboch


Who would own your home? The guy with the biggest gun?

"John H." wrote in message
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On Wed, 31 Oct 2007 15:47:23 -0400, "Eisboch" wrote:


"John H." wrote in message
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It would be even more prudent to completely do away with any form of ID?
No
birth certificate, no diplomas, no paperwork of any kind which
identifies
a
person. You say you're Gene, I say I'm Gene, and no one can tell the
difference, except maybe your mom. But, that would assume she was given
the
right child at the hospital, where no form of ID was used. Interesting.


I like it. Think about it .... 100 years ago nobody had a driver's
license
or a social security card number. Many probably didn't even have a birth
certificate.

It gives cause to really think about where we are heading. Implanted
chips
at birth is not out of the question.

Eisboch


Who would own your home? The guy with the biggest gun?

Worked in the wild west before identity theft.

Eisboch

On Wed, 31 Oct 2007 17:06:25 -0400, "Eisboch" wrote:


"John H." wrote in message
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On Wed, 31 Oct 2007 15:47:23 -0400, "Eisboch" wrote:


"John H." wrote in message
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It would be even more prudent to completely do away with any form of ID?
No
birth certificate, no diplomas, no paperwork of any kind which
identifies
a
person. You say you're Gene, I say I'm Gene, and no one can tell the
difference, except maybe your mom. But, that would assume she was given
the
right child at the hospital, where no form of ID was used. Interesting.


I like it. Think about it .... 100 years ago nobody had a driver's
license
or a social security card number. Many probably didn't even have a birth
certificate.

It gives cause to really think about where we are heading. Implanted
chips
at birth is not out of the question.

Eisboch


Who would own your home? The guy with the biggest gun?

Worked in the wild west before identity theft.

Eisboch


Exactly.