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Gil October 31st 07 12:57 PM

Rumor of Ethanol causing older outboard engines to 'blow up'?
 
How much truth should this be?

I got a service guy telling me that now the Govt mandates that Ethanol
is added to gasoline. The guy was telling me at certain percentage is
too much for the outboard engines that causes the head/piston to fail.

What do you think?

G

William Andersen October 31st 07 02:39 PM

Rumor of Ethanol causing older outboard engines to 'blow up'?
 
Nonsense.
"Gil" wrote in message
...
How much truth should this be?

I got a service guy telling me that now the Govt mandates that Ethanol is
added to gasoline. The guy was telling me at certain percentage is too
much for the outboard engines that causes the head/piston to fail.

What do you think?

G




Gil October 31st 07 02:44 PM

Rumor of Ethanol causing older outboard engines to 'blow up'?
 
Will-

Probably not today's motor, but I was using a Suzuki DT140 (1985) that
was rebuilt and after 2nd weekend..it blew... The repair guy is telling
me it is either oil injector did not work or it self overheated and
froze. Its hard to get a 2nd opinion when I work 7 to 5 everyday and
not a lot of outboard shops open on weekends.

G

William Andersen wrote:
Nonsense.
"Gil" wrote in message
...

How much truth should this be?

I got a service guy telling me that now the Govt mandates that Ethanol is
added to gasoline. The guy was telling me at certain percentage is too
much for the outboard engines that causes the head/piston to fail.

What do you think?

G





Wayne.B October 31st 07 02:54 PM

Rumor of Ethanol causing older outboard engines to 'blow up'?
 
On Wed, 31 Oct 2007 08:57:32 -0400, Gil wrote:

How much truth should this be?

I got a service guy telling me that now the Govt mandates that Ethanol
is added to gasoline. The guy was telling me at certain percentage is
too much for the outboard engines that causes the head/piston to fail.

What do you think?

Most of the issues I've heard about were related to leaking seals and
water absorption. There are also problems with fiberglass fuel tanks.

Short Wave Sportfishing October 31st 07 04:02 PM

Rumor of Ethanol causing older outboard engines to 'blow up'?
 
On Wed, 31 Oct 2007 08:57:32 -0400, Gil wrote:

How much truth should this be?

I got a service guy telling me that now the Govt mandates that Ethanol
is added to gasoline. The guy was telling me at certain percentage is
too much for the outboard engines that causes the head/piston to fail.

What do you think?


Modern synthetic oils blend well with ethanol enhanced gasoline so
lubrication isn't a problem per se.

However, ethanol doesn't play well with standard blend two cycle oils.
In that sense, your mechanic is right.

Use a good synthetic and you'll be fine.

Reginald P. Smithers III October 31st 07 05:00 PM

Rumor of Ethanol causing older outboard engines to 'blow up'?
 
Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
On Wed, 31 Oct 2007 08:57:32 -0400, Gil wrote:

How much truth should this be?

I got a service guy telling me that now the Govt mandates that Ethanol
is added to gasoline. The guy was telling me at certain percentage is
too much for the outboard engines that causes the head/piston to fail.

What do you think?


Modern synthetic oils blend well with ethanol enhanced gasoline so
lubrication isn't a problem per se.

However, ethanol doesn't play well with standard blend two cycle oils.
In that sense, your mechanic is right.

Use a good synthetic and you'll be fine.


When they first started to blend ethanol, a number of older boats had
trouble with the ethanol not playing well with the fuel hoses/tubes and
gaskets in the fuel line. I haven't heard of this problem lately, so I
think the ones that reacted to the ethanol have all been replaced.

Gil October 31st 07 07:08 PM

Rumor of Ethanol causing older outboard engines to 'blow up'?
 
Too late..the engine overheated and froze the piston... :-(

G

Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
On Wed, 31 Oct 2007 08:57:32 -0400, Gil wrote:


How much truth should this be?

I got a service guy telling me that now the Govt mandates that Ethanol
is added to gasoline. The guy was telling me at certain percentage is
too much for the outboard engines that causes the head/piston to fail.

What do you think?



Modern synthetic oils blend well with ethanol enhanced gasoline so
lubrication isn't a problem per se.

However, ethanol doesn't play well with standard blend two cycle oils.
In that sense, your mechanic is right.

Use a good synthetic and you'll be fine.


Short Wave Sportfishing October 31st 07 09:03 PM

Rumor of Ethanol causing older outboard engines to 'blow up'?
 
On Wed, 31 Oct 2007 14:34:52 -0400, Gene Kearns
wrote:

Consider this.... a new 24' Bayliner carries 64 gallons of fuel.
Burring E85, that would be like taking along about 48 gallons of
gasoline. I hope you aren't going far....


I've been told by some pretty reputable people in the outboard
industry that the one thing they are afraid of is E85 being mandated.

Don't know if it's true, but I'm inclined to believe them.

Eisboch October 31st 07 09:04 PM

Rumor of Ethanol causing older outboard engines to 'blow up'?
 

"Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message
...
On Wed, 31 Oct 2007 14:34:52 -0400, Gene Kearns
wrote:

Consider this.... a new 24' Bayliner carries 64 gallons of fuel.
Burring E85, that would be like taking along about 48 gallons of
gasoline. I hope you aren't going far....


I've been told by some pretty reputable people in the outboard
industry that the one thing they are afraid of is E85 being mandated.

Don't know if it's true, but I'm inclined to believe them.




Hopefully, the government and industry will come to their senses before
then.
Corn just ain't the answer.

Eisboch



Short Wave Sportfishing October 31st 07 11:17 PM

Rumor of Ethanol causing older outboard engines to 'blow up'?
 
On Wed, 31 Oct 2007 17:19:45 -0400, " JimH" ask wrote:


"Eisboch" wrote in message
m...

"Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message
...
On Wed, 31 Oct 2007 14:34:52 -0400, Gene Kearns
wrote:

Consider this.... a new 24' Bayliner carries 64 gallons of fuel.
Burring E85, that would be like taking along about 48 gallons of
gasoline. I hope you aren't going far....

I've been told by some pretty reputable people in the outboard
industry that the one thing they are afraid of is E85 being mandated.

Don't know if it's true, but I'm inclined to believe them.




Hopefully, the government and industry will come to their senses before
then.

Corn just ain't the answer.


We need SW to finally come clean on some of the technology used in
intergalactic travel.....maybe we can eventually beam up/down from place to
place.

Come clean Tom. ;-)


Well, it's this way.

It's a Dimensional Inertialess Quantum Skip Drive.

Quantum principles dictate that there are infinite universes based on
decision points. For example, let's say that you choose to go to the
local Gandhi Mart instead of Stop and Shop. Your decision has created
a separate universe based on that decision. The neighboring universe
is the one in which you chose to go to Stop and Shop is identical to
the one in which you went to Gandhi Mart only the decision point has
changed.

Using this principle, the Dimensional Inertialess Quantum Skip Drive
allows movement from a position in one dimension to a position in a
neighboring dimension. That neighbor dimension is identical to your
dimension with the sole exception of the decision point that created
it. It is totally transparent to you because, essentially, it is
identical to your previous dimension.

The exact process is a by product of Hilbert Space functions using
zero point time/space analysis in infinite dimensional space instead
of two or three dimensional Euclidean geometry.

Pretty simple stuff actually.

D.Duck October 31st 07 11:39 PM

Rumor of Ethanol causing older outboard engines to 'blow up'?
 

"Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message
...
On Wed, 31 Oct 2007 17:19:45 -0400, " JimH" ask wrote:


"Eisboch" wrote in message
om...

"Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message
...
On Wed, 31 Oct 2007 14:34:52 -0400, Gene Kearns
wrote:

Consider this.... a new 24' Bayliner carries 64 gallons of fuel.
Burring E85, that would be like taking along about 48 gallons of
gasoline. I hope you aren't going far....

I've been told by some pretty reputable people in the outboard
industry that the one thing they are afraid of is E85 being mandated.

Don't know if it's true, but I'm inclined to believe them.



Hopefully, the government and industry will come to their senses before
then.

Corn just ain't the answer.


We need SW to finally come clean on some of the technology used in
intergalactic travel.....maybe we can eventually beam up/down from place
to
place.

Come clean Tom. ;-)


Well, it's this way.

It's a Dimensional Inertialess Quantum Skip Drive.

Quantum principles dictate that there are infinite universes based on
decision points. For example, let's say that you choose to go to the
local Gandhi Mart instead of Stop and Shop. Your decision has created
a separate universe based on that decision. The neighboring universe
is the one in which you chose to go to Stop and Shop is identical to
the one in which you went to Gandhi Mart only the decision point has
changed.

Using this principle, the Dimensional Inertialess Quantum Skip Drive
allows movement from a position in one dimension to a position in a
neighboring dimension. That neighbor dimension is identical to your
dimension with the sole exception of the decision point that created
it. It is totally transparent to you because, essentially, it is
identical to your previous dimension.

The exact process is a by product of Hilbert Space functions using
zero point time/space analysis in infinite dimensional space instead
of two or three dimensional Euclidean geometry.

Pretty simple stuff actually.


Is that anything like the rubber band models I used to build when I was a
young lad?



Del Cecchi November 1st 07 12:02 AM

Rumor of Ethanol causing older outboard engines to 'blow up'?
 

"Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message
...
On Wed, 31 Oct 2007 17:19:45 -0400, " JimH" ask wrote:


"Eisboch" wrote in message
om...

"Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message
...
On Wed, 31 Oct 2007 14:34:52 -0400, Gene Kearns
wrote:

Consider this.... a new 24' Bayliner carries 64 gallons of fuel.
Burring E85, that would be like taking along about 48 gallons of
gasoline. I hope you aren't going far....

I've been told by some pretty reputable people in the outboard
industry that the one thing they are afraid of is E85 being
mandated.

Don't know if it's true, but I'm inclined to believe them.



Hopefully, the government and industry will come to their senses
before
then.

Corn just ain't the answer.


We need SW to finally come clean on some of the technology used in
intergalactic travel.....maybe we can eventually beam up/down from
place to
place.

Come clean Tom. ;-)


Well, it's this way.

It's a Dimensional Inertialess Quantum Skip Drive.

Quantum principles dictate that there are infinite universes based on
decision points. For example, let's say that you choose to go to the
local Gandhi Mart instead of Stop and Shop. Your decision has created
a separate universe based on that decision. The neighboring universe
is the one in which you chose to go to Stop and Shop is identical to
the one in which you went to Gandhi Mart only the decision point has
changed.

Using this principle, the Dimensional Inertialess Quantum Skip Drive
allows movement from a position in one dimension to a position in a
neighboring dimension. That neighbor dimension is identical to your
dimension with the sole exception of the decision point that created
it. It is totally transparent to you because, essentially, it is
identical to your previous dimension.

The exact process is a by product of Hilbert Space functions using
zero point time/space analysis in infinite dimensional space instead
of two or three dimensional Euclidean geometry.

Pretty simple stuff actually.


Only if you are of the Copenhagen school ( and not the snoose dipping
copenhagen school, but the quantum mechanics one)



Eisboch November 1st 07 12:07 AM

Rumor of Ethanol causing older outboard engines to 'blow up'?
 


"Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message
...



It's a Dimensional Inertialess Quantum Skip Drive.

Quantum principles dictate that there are infinite universes based on
decision points. For example, let's say that you choose to go to the
local Gandhi Mart instead of Stop and Shop. Your decision has created
a separate universe based on that decision. The neighboring universe
is the one in which you chose to go to Stop and Shop is identical to
the one in which you went to Gandhi Mart only the decision point has
changed.

Using this principle, the Dimensional Inertialess Quantum Skip Drive
allows movement from a position in one dimension to a position in a
neighboring dimension. That neighbor dimension is identical to your
dimension with the sole exception of the decision point that created
it. It is totally transparent to you because, essentially, it is
identical to your previous dimension.

The exact process is a by product of Hilbert Space functions using
zero point time/space analysis in infinite dimensional space instead
of two or three dimensional Euclidean geometry.

Pretty simple stuff actually.




Sounded good when first proposed, but has the EPA opposition to the
transflux Skip Drive particle pollutants been satisfactorily addressed?

Eisboch




Short Wave Sportfishing November 1st 07 12:11 AM

Rumor of Ethanol causing older outboard engines to 'blow up'?
 
On Wed, 31 Oct 2007 19:39:48 -0400, "D.Duck" wrote:

Is that anything like the rubber band models I used to build when I was a
young lad?


Why yes.

Only in this case, it's a really big rubber band.

Speaking of which, are you old enough to remember spoolies? Rubber
band powered tanks made out of sewing thread spools and rubber bands?

Short Wave Sportfishing November 1st 07 12:15 AM

Rumor of Ethanol causing older outboard engines to 'blow up'?
 
On Wed, 31 Oct 2007 20:07:48 -0400, "Eisboch" wrote:



"Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message
...



It's a Dimensional Inertialess Quantum Skip Drive.

Quantum principles dictate that there are infinite universes based on
decision points. For example, let's say that you choose to go to the
local Gandhi Mart instead of Stop and Shop. Your decision has created
a separate universe based on that decision. The neighboring universe
is the one in which you chose to go to Stop and Shop is identical to
the one in which you went to Gandhi Mart only the decision point has
changed.

Using this principle, the Dimensional Inertialess Quantum Skip Drive
allows movement from a position in one dimension to a position in a
neighboring dimension. That neighbor dimension is identical to your
dimension with the sole exception of the decision point that created
it. It is totally transparent to you because, essentially, it is
identical to your previous dimension.

The exact process is a by product of Hilbert Space functions using
zero point time/space analysis in infinite dimensional space instead
of two or three dimensional Euclidean geometry.

Pretty simple stuff actually.


Sounded good when first proposed, but has the EPA opposition to the
transflux Skip Drive particle pollutants been satisfactorily addressed?


Of course. It's a simple matter of folding N-space at the zero point
- no particles are emitted.

The interesting side effect is that the inside volume of any object is
larger that it's exterior dimensions.

D.Duck November 1st 07 12:22 AM

Rumor of Ethanol causing older outboard engines to 'blow up'?
 

"Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message
...
On Wed, 31 Oct 2007 20:07:48 -0400, "Eisboch" wrote:



"Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message
...



It's a Dimensional Inertialess Quantum Skip Drive.

Quantum principles dictate that there are infinite universes based on
decision points. For example, let's say that you choose to go to the
local Gandhi Mart instead of Stop and Shop. Your decision has created
a separate universe based on that decision. The neighboring universe
is the one in which you chose to go to Stop and Shop is identical to
the one in which you went to Gandhi Mart only the decision point has
changed.

Using this principle, the Dimensional Inertialess Quantum Skip Drive
allows movement from a position in one dimension to a position in a
neighboring dimension. That neighbor dimension is identical to your
dimension with the sole exception of the decision point that created
it. It is totally transparent to you because, essentially, it is
identical to your previous dimension.

The exact process is a by product of Hilbert Space functions using
zero point time/space analysis in infinite dimensional space instead
of two or three dimensional Euclidean geometry.

Pretty simple stuff actually.


Sounded good when first proposed, but has the EPA opposition to the
transflux Skip Drive particle pollutants been satisfactorily addressed?


Of course. It's a simple matter of folding N-space at the zero point
- no particles are emitted.

The interesting side effect is that the inside volume of any object is
larger that it's exterior dimensions.


That sure doesn't describe my belly!



Reginald P. Smithers III November 1st 07 12:51 AM

Rumor of Ethanol causing older outboard engines to 'blow up'?
 
Eisboch wrote:
"Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message
...
On Wed, 31 Oct 2007 14:34:52 -0400, Gene Kearns
wrote:

Consider this.... a new 24' Bayliner carries 64 gallons of fuel.
Burring E85, that would be like taking along about 48 gallons of
gasoline. I hope you aren't going far....

I've been told by some pretty reputable people in the outboard
industry that the one thing they are afraid of is E85 being mandated.

Don't know if it's true, but I'm inclined to believe them.




Hopefully, the government and industry will come to their senses before
then.
Corn just ain't the answer.

Eisboch



It is if you are a farmer growing corn or a politician looking to get
votes in the midwest. Other than that, it neither reduces our
dependence on foreign oil or lowers emissions.

D.Duck November 1st 07 01:38 AM

Rumor of Ethanol causing older outboard engines to 'blow up'?
 

"Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message
...
On Wed, 31 Oct 2007 19:39:48 -0400, "D.Duck" wrote:

Is that anything like the rubber band models I used to build when I was a
young lad?


Why yes.

Only in this case, it's a really big rubber band.

Speaking of which, are you old enough to remember spoolies? Rubber
band powered tanks made out of sewing thread spools and rubber bands?


Do you mean these?

http://spoolies.com/



Tim November 1st 07 04:41 AM

Rumor of Ethanol causing older outboard engines to 'blow up'?
 
On Oct 31, 6:17 pm, Short Wave Sportfishing
wrote:
On Wed, 31 Oct 2007 17:19:45 -0400, " JimH" ask wrote:







"Eisboch" wrote in message
m...


"Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message
. ..
On Wed, 31 Oct 2007 14:34:52 -0400, Gene Kearns
wrote:


Consider this.... a new 24' Bayliner carries 64 gallons of fuel.
Burring E85, that would be like taking along about 48 gallons of
gasoline. I hope you aren't going far....


I've been told by some pretty reputable people in the outboard
industry that the one thing they are afraid of is E85 being mandated.


Don't know if it's true, but I'm inclined to believe them.


Hopefully, the government and industry will come to their senses before
then.


Corn just ain't the answer.


We need SW to finally come clean on some of the technology used in
intergalactic travel.....maybe we can eventually beam up/down from place to
place.


Come clean Tom. ;-)


Well, it's this way.

It's a Dimensional Inertialess Quantum Skip Drive.

Quantum principles dictate that there are infinite universes based on
decision points. For example, let's say that you choose to go to the
local Gandhi Mart instead of Stop and Shop. Your decision has created
a separate universe based on that decision. The neighboring universe
is the one in which you chose to go to Stop and Shop is identical to
the one in which you went to Gandhi Mart only the decision point has
changed.

Using this principle, the Dimensional Inertialess Quantum Skip Drive
allows movement from a position in one dimension to a position in a
neighboring dimension. That neighbor dimension is identical to your
dimension with the sole exception of the decision point that created
it. It is totally transparent to you because, essentially, it is
identical to your previous dimension.

The exact process is a by product of Hilbert Space functions using
zero point time/space analysis in infinite dimensional space instead
of two or three dimensional Euclidean geometry.

Pretty simple stuff actually.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -


Did you actually mean the quantum skip drive? or the kaludiatic hop-
scotch deresonator?


Tim November 1st 07 04:42 AM

Rumor of Ethanol causing older outboard engines to 'blow up'?
 
On Oct 31, 6:39 pm, "D.Duck" wrote:

Is that anything like the rubber band models I used to build when I was a
young lad?-


I used to use rubber bands to wind up the props on my balsa airplanes.

Kinda hard to find the planes anymore.


Calif Bill November 1st 07 06:29 AM

Rumor of Ethanol causing older outboard engines to 'blow up'?
 

"Tim" wrote in message
ups.com...
On Oct 31, 6:39 pm, "D.Duck" wrote:

Is that anything like the rubber band models I used to build when I was a
young lad?-


I used to use rubber bands to wind up the props on my balsa airplanes.

Kinda hard to find the planes anymore.


To tight on the rubber bands? They still flying?



Tim November 1st 07 07:22 PM

Rumor of Ethanol causing older outboard engines to 'blow up'?
 

Calif Bill wrote:
"Tim" wrote in message
ups.com...
On Oct 31, 6:39 pm, "D.Duck" wrote:

Is that anything like the rubber band models I used to build when I was a
young lad?-


I used to use rubber bands to wind up the props on my balsa airplanes.

Kinda hard to find the planes anymore.


To tight on the rubber bands? They still flying?


LOL! Just can't find where to buy them anymore.

We had a blast with them. I used to have a box full of wrecked parts
I made a Dual and even a Tri-motor . The would fly but really veered
off to the left, due to prop rotations. Also had fun setting them on
fire and watching them take off, crash 'n burn.

I rememebr tightening the rubber bands waaaay too tight and having
them snap. If you were lucky they'd only hit you in the hand instead
of the face. in the 60's they were only about 25c. ea. a lot of
fun for the money.


John H. November 1st 07 08:54 PM

Rumor of Ethanol causing older outboard engines to 'blow up'?
 
On Thu, 01 Nov 2007 12:22:36 -0700, Tim wrote:


Calif Bill wrote:
"Tim" wrote in message
ups.com...
On Oct 31, 6:39 pm, "D.Duck" wrote:

Is that anything like the rubber band models I used to build when I was a
young lad?-

I used to use rubber bands to wind up the props on my balsa airplanes.

Kinda hard to find the planes anymore.


To tight on the rubber bands? They still flying?


LOL! Just can't find where to buy them anymore.

We had a blast with them. I used to have a box full of wrecked parts
I made a Dual and even a Tri-motor . The would fly but really veered
off to the left, due to prop rotations. Also had fun setting them on
fire and watching them take off, crash 'n burn.

I rememebr tightening the rubber bands waaaay too tight and having
them snap. If you were lucky they'd only hit you in the hand instead
of the face. in the 60's they were only about 25c. ea. a lot of
fun for the money.


Reminds me of building plastic model ships and then taking them out to the
pond, inserting a cherry bomb, and watching them explode. Sure wish I'd had
a decent camera then!

Calif Bill November 2nd 07 01:12 AM

Rumor of Ethanol causing older outboard engines to 'blow up'?
 

"Tim" wrote in message
ups.com...

Calif Bill wrote:
"Tim" wrote in message
ups.com...
On Oct 31, 6:39 pm, "D.Duck" wrote:

Is that anything like the rubber band models I used to build when I
was a
young lad?-

I used to use rubber bands to wind up the props on my balsa airplanes.

Kinda hard to find the planes anymore.


To tight on the rubber bands? They still flying?


LOL! Just can't find where to buy them anymore.

We had a blast with them. I used to have a box full of wrecked parts
I made a Dual and even a Tri-motor . The would fly but really veered
off to the left, due to prop rotations. Also had fun setting them on
fire and watching them take off, crash 'n burn.

I rememebr tightening the rubber bands waaaay too tight and having
them snap. If you were lucky they'd only hit you in the hand instead
of the face. in the 60's they were only about 25c. ea. a lot of
fun for the money.


We used to save the parts of the ones that you catapulted into the sky with
a rubberband sort of like a slingshot. Come 4th of July, we would make
flyable ones out of the parts and put screw eyes under the wings and insert
firecrackers in the eyes. One launched it while another lit the fuses.
Probably better we do not have photo proof to show our children and
grandchildren.



HK November 2nd 07 01:20 AM

Rumor of Ethanol causing older outboard engines to 'blow up'?
 
Calif Bill wrote:
"Tim" wrote in message
ups.com...
Calif Bill wrote:
"Tim" wrote in message
ups.com...
On Oct 31, 6:39 pm, "D.Duck" wrote:

Is that anything like the rubber band models I used to build when I
was a
young lad?-
I used to use rubber bands to wind up the props on my balsa airplanes.

Kinda hard to find the planes anymore.

To tight on the rubber bands? They still flying?

LOL! Just can't find where to buy them anymore.

We had a blast with them. I used to have a box full of wrecked parts
I made a Dual and even a Tri-motor . The would fly but really veered
off to the left, due to prop rotations. Also had fun setting them on
fire and watching them take off, crash 'n burn.

I rememebr tightening the rubber bands waaaay too tight and having
them snap. If you were lucky they'd only hit you in the hand instead
of the face. in the 60's they were only about 25c. ea. a lot of
fun for the money.


We used to save the parts of the ones that you catapulted into the sky with
a rubberband sort of like a slingshot. Come 4th of July, we would make
flyable ones out of the parts and put screw eyes under the wings and insert
firecrackers in the eyes. One launched it while another lit the fuses.
Probably better we do not have photo proof to show our children and
grandchildren.




They're still around.

http://www.turnertoys.com/G1/balsa_model_airplanes2.htm

Tim November 2nd 07 02:30 AM

Rumor of Ethanol causing older outboard engines to 'blow up'?
 
On Nov 1, 8:20 pm, HK wrote:
Calif Bill wrote:
"Tim" wrote in message
oups.com...
Calif Bill wrote:
"Tim" wrote in message
groups.com...
On Oct 31, 6:39 pm, "D.Duck" wrote:


Is that anything like the rubber band models I used to build when I
was a
young lad?-
I used to use rubber bands to wind up the props on my balsa airplanes.


Kinda hard to find the planes anymore.


To tight on the rubber bands? They still flying?
LOL! Just can't find where to buy them anymore.


We had a blast with them. I used to have a box full of wrecked parts
I made a Dual and even a Tri-motor . The would fly but really veered
off to the left, due to prop rotations. Also had fun setting them on
fire and watching them take off, crash 'n burn.


I rememebr tightening the rubber bands waaaay too tight and having
them snap. If you were lucky they'd only hit you in the hand instead
of the face. in the 60's they were only about 25c. ea. a lot of
fun for the money.


We used to save the parts of the ones that you catapulted into the sky with
a rubberband sort of like a slingshot. Come 4th of July, we would make
flyable ones out of the parts and put screw eyes under the wings and insert
firecrackers in the eyes. One launched it while another lit the fuses.
Probably better we do not have photo proof to show our children and
grandchildren.


They're still around.

http://www.turnertoys.com/G1/balsa_m...irplanes2.htm- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -


man, those things have gone up in price, but when you consider 40+
years of inflation, I'd say that's probably about right.


Eisboch November 2nd 07 05:50 AM

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"HK" wrote in message
. ..


On Oct 31, 6:39 pm, "D.Duck" wrote:

Is that anything like the rubber band models I used to build when I
was a
young lad?-
I used to use rubber bands to wind up the props on my balsa airplanes.

Kinda hard to find the planes anymore.



They're still around.

http://www.turnertoys.com/G1/balsa_model_airplanes2.htm


Holy Crap! Look at the prices!
Seems like I remember buying them for a quarter and it included a spare
rubber band.

Eisboch



Wayne.B November 2nd 07 06:40 AM

Rumor of Ethanol causing older outboard engines to 'blow up'?
 
On Fri, 2 Nov 2007 00:50:14 -0500, "Eisboch"
wrote:

They're still around.

http://www.turnertoys.com/G1/balsa_model_airplanes2.htm


Holy Crap! Look at the prices!
Seems like I remember buying them for a quarter and it included a spare
rubber band.


Yeah, it costs more to have fun these days. They still look pretty
reasonable compared to boats though.

Is your marina well protected from nor'easters? We're just starting
to get the first big gusts down here on the outer banks of NC.

Eisboch November 2nd 07 06:45 AM

Rumor of Ethanol causing older outboard engines to 'blow up'?
 

"Wayne.B" wrote in message
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On Fri, 2 Nov 2007 00:50:14 -0500, "Eisboch"
wrote:

They're still around.

http://www.turnertoys.com/G1/balsa_model_airplanes2.htm


Holy Crap! Look at the prices!
Seems like I remember buying them for a quarter and it included a spare
rubber band.


Yeah, it costs more to have fun these days. They still look pretty
reasonable compared to boats though.

Is your marina well protected from nor'easters? We're just starting
to get the first big gusts down here on the outer banks of NC.


The section of the marina the Navigator is in is well protected. It's
referred to as the "back basin" and, although it can get some winds, it is
well protected from heavy seas. Tomorrow I'll double up the lines, just as
a precaution.

The GB is all tucked away in one of Kingman's storage buildings, so no
problem there.

Be careful down there. This storm has surprised the weather people. It
should be north of you by tomorrow, I think.

BTW .... what the heck are you doing up at this hour? What the heck am *I*
doing up at this hour?

Eisboch



Eisboch November 2nd 07 06:52 AM

Rumor of Ethanol causing older outboard engines to 'blow up'?
 

"Eisboch" wrote in message
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"Wayne.B" wrote in message
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On Fri, 2 Nov 2007 00:50:14 -0500, "Eisboch"
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Is your marina well protected from nor'easters? We're just starting
to get the first big gusts down here on the outer banks of NC.




Hard to believe that this storm is projected to remain at hurricane strength
so far north and thru Sunday ....

http://www.nhc.noaa.gov/storm_graphi...024032W_sm.gif

Eisboch



Calif Bill November 2nd 07 07:05 AM

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On Oct 31, 6:39 pm, "D.Duck" wrote:

Is that anything like the rubber band models I used to build when I
was a
young lad?-
I used to use rubber bands to wind up the props on my balsa
airplanes.

Kinda hard to find the planes anymore.



They're still around.

http://www.turnertoys.com/G1/balsa_model_airplanes2.htm


Holy Crap! Look at the prices!
Seems like I remember buying them for a quarter and it included a spare
rubber band.

Eisboch


I was thinking less than a quarter, but that may have been correct. The
toss it, non folding wing models were about 10 cents.



Eisboch November 2nd 07 08:58 AM

Rumor of Ethanol causing older outboard engines to 'blow up'?
 

"Calif Bill" wrote in message
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"Eisboch" wrote in message
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"HK" wrote in message
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On Oct 31, 6:39 pm, "D.Duck" wrote:

Is that anything like the rubber band models I used to build when I
was a
young lad?-
I used to use rubber bands to wind up the props on my balsa
airplanes.

Kinda hard to find the planes anymore.



They're still around.

http://www.turnertoys.com/G1/balsa_model_airplanes2.htm


Holy Crap! Look at the prices!
Seems like I remember buying them for a quarter and it included a spare
rubber band.

Eisboch


I was thinking less than a quarter, but that may have been correct. The
toss it, non folding wing models were about 10 cents.


I remember the gliders as being 10 cents also. They had a slotted fuselage
section that allowd you to slide the wing fore and aft to adjust how it
flew. It also had a metal tab on the nose that you could also carefully
adjust.

The rubber band model with the propeller and wire landing gear was the big
buck option.

Eisboch



Short Wave Sportfishing November 2nd 07 10:16 AM

Rumor of Ethanol causing older outboard engines to 'blow up'?
 
On Fri, 02 Nov 2007 02:40:24 -0400, Wayne.B
wrote:

On Fri, 2 Nov 2007 00:50:14 -0500, "Eisboch"
wrote:

They're still around.

http://www.turnertoys.com/G1/balsa_model_airplanes2.htm


Holy Crap! Look at the prices!
Seems like I remember buying them for a quarter and it included a spare
rubber band.


Yeah, it costs more to have fun these days. They still look pretty
reasonable compared to boats though.

Is your marina well protected from nor'easters? We're just starting
to get the first big gusts down here on the outer banks of NC.


You must be getting pushed around a little about now huh?

Short Wave Sportfishing November 2nd 07 10:38 AM

Rumor of Ethanol causing older outboard engines to 'blow up'?
 
On Fri, 2 Nov 2007 01:52:20 -0500, "Eisboch"
wrote:


"Eisboch" wrote in message
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"Wayne.B" wrote in message
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On Fri, 2 Nov 2007 00:50:14 -0500, "Eisboch"
wrote:


Is your marina well protected from nor'easters? We're just starting
to get the first big gusts down here on the outer banks of NC.




Hard to believe that this storm is projected to remain at hurricane strength
so far north and thru Sunday ....

http://www.nhc.noaa.gov/storm_graphi...024032W_sm.gif


It's moved west of that track now and there is a possibility if a low
pressure ridge collapses over New York in response we'll see it hit
somewhere from NYC to Providence.

WHOO HOO!!

Time to get out the surf pole and head to Watch Hill.

Historically, this late season type of storm isn't unusual for New
England - there have been around ten or so of them since the 1700s.

D.Duck November 2nd 07 11:55 AM

Rumor of Ethanol causing older outboard engines to 'blow up'?
 

"Eisboch" wrote in message
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"HK" wrote in message
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On Oct 31, 6:39 pm, "D.Duck" wrote:

Is that anything like the rubber band models I used to build when I
was a
young lad?-
I used to use rubber bands to wind up the props on my balsa
airplanes.

Kinda hard to find the planes anymore.



They're still around.

http://www.turnertoys.com/G1/balsa_model_airplanes2.htm


Holy Crap! Look at the prices!
Seems like I remember buying them for a quarter and it included a spare
rubber band.

Eisboch


G75 Flying Machine
includes extra motor
($.37 value)



Vic Smith November 2nd 07 03:03 PM

Rumor of Ethanol causing older outboard engines to 'blow up'?
 
On Fri, 2 Nov 2007 00:50:14 -0500, "Eisboch"
wrote:


"HK" wrote in message
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On Oct 31, 6:39 pm, "D.Duck" wrote:

Is that anything like the rubber band models I used to build when I
was a
young lad?-
I used to use rubber bands to wind up the props on my balsa airplanes.

Kinda hard to find the planes anymore.



They're still around.

http://www.turnertoys.com/G1/balsa_model_airplanes2.htm


Holy Crap! Look at the prices!
Seems like I remember buying them for a quarter and it included a spare
rubber band.

I remember them being higher than a quarter.
Maybe 39 or 49 cents. Late 1950's.
AJ Flyer - I think - was the popular one here.

--Vic

John H. November 2nd 07 04:16 PM

Rumor of Ethanol causing older outboard engines to 'blow up'?
 
On Fri, 02 Nov 2007 09:03:32 -0600, Vic Smith
wrote:

On Fri, 2 Nov 2007 00:50:14 -0500, "Eisboch"
wrote:


"HK" wrote in message
m...


On Oct 31, 6:39 pm, "D.Duck" wrote:

Is that anything like the rubber band models I used to build when I
was a
young lad?-
I used to use rubber bands to wind up the props on my balsa airplanes.

Kinda hard to find the planes anymore.



They're still around.

http://www.turnertoys.com/G1/balsa_model_airplanes2.htm


Holy Crap! Look at the prices!
Seems like I remember buying them for a quarter and it included a spare
rubber band.

I remember them being higher than a quarter.
Maybe 39 or 49 cents. Late 1950's.
AJ Flyer - I think - was the popular one here.

--Vic


A nice model:

http://www.amtjets.com/gallery_horten.html

Wayne.B November 3rd 07 12:24 AM

Rumor of Ethanol causing older outboard engines to 'blow up'?
 
On Fri, 02 Nov 2007 10:16:50 GMT, Short Wave Sportfishing
wrote:

Is your marina well protected from nor'easters? We're just starting
to get the first big gusts down here on the outer banks of NC.


You must be getting pushed around a little about now huh?


We're docked in a nice snug little cove right by the bridge to Nags
Head so were not getting any seas to speak of, but the wind is howling
tonight and the boat is being buffeted around. Hopefully we'll be
heading south again in a week, waiting for tranny repairs right now.

HK November 3rd 07 12:41 AM

Rumor of Ethanol causing older outboard engines to 'blow up'?
 
Wayne.B wrote:
On Fri, 02 Nov 2007 10:16:50 GMT, Short Wave Sportfishing
wrote:

Is your marina well protected from nor'easters? We're just starting
to get the first big gusts down here on the outer banks of NC.

You must be getting pushed around a little about now huh?


We're docked in a nice snug little cove right by the bridge to Nags
Head so were not getting any seas to speak of, but the wind is howling
tonight and the boat is being buffeted around. Hopefully we'll be
heading south again in a week, waiting for tranny repairs right now.



We've got gusts to 21 knots right now, and the forecast is calling for
35 knot winds later tonight.

Short Wave Sportfishing November 3rd 07 01:06 AM

Rumor of Ethanol causing older outboard engines to 'blow up'?
 
On Fri, 02 Nov 2007 20:24:58 -0400, Wayne.B
wrote:

On Fri, 02 Nov 2007 10:16:50 GMT, Short Wave Sportfishing
wrote:

Is your marina well protected from nor'easters? We're just starting
to get the first big gusts down here on the outer banks of NC.


You must be getting pushed around a little about now huh?


We're docked in a nice snug little cove right by the bridge to Nags
Head so were not getting any seas to speak of, but the wind is howling
tonight and the boat is being buffeted around. Hopefully we'll be
heading south again in a week, waiting for tranny repairs right now.


Good - gotta be better than tying up between two deadmen in a channel
huh? :)

Tranny repairs suck.


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