Rumor of Ethanol causing older outboard engines to 'blow up'?
 

"HK" wrote in message
. ..
Wayne.B wrote:
On Fri, 02 Nov 2007 10:16:50 GMT, Short Wave Sportfishing
wrote:

Is your marina well protected from nor'easters? We're just starting
to get the first big gusts down here on the outer banks of NC.
You must be getting pushed around a little about now huh?

We're docked in a nice snug little cove right by the bridge to Nags
Head so were not getting any seas to speak of, but the wind is howling
tonight and the boat is being buffeted around. Hopefully we'll be
heading south again in a week, waiting for tranny repairs right now.


We've got gusts to 21 knots right now, and the forecast is calling for 35
knot winds later tonight.


I guess we'll have to take one for 'the Gipper'.
Good thing my Yukon is high & dry in my back yard, 160 feet above sea level
http://www.cbc.ca/canada/nova-scotia...2/noel-ns.html

Rumor of Ethanol causing older outboard engines to 'blow up'?
 

Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
On Fri, 02 Nov 2007 20:24:58 -0400, Wayne.B
wrote:

On Fri, 02 Nov 2007 10:16:50 GMT, Short Wave Sportfishing
wrote:

Is your marina well protected from nor'easters? We're just starting
to get the first big gusts down here on the outer banks of NC.
You must be getting pushed around a little about now huh?
We're docked in a nice snug little cove right by the bridge to Nags
Head so were not getting any seas to speak of, but the wind is howling
tonight and the boat is being buffeted around. Hopefully we'll be
heading south again in a week, waiting for tranny repairs right now.

Good - gotta be better than tying up between two deadmen in a channel
huh? :)

Tranny repairs suck.


Transmission by...eTec? :}

Rumor of Ethanol causing older outboard engines to 'blow up'?
 

On Sat, 03 Nov 2007 01:06:57 GMT, Short Wave Sportfishing
wrote:

Good - gotta be better than tying up between two deadmen in a channel
huh? :)


For sure.

Tranny repairs suck.

Yes but this is a good place to get work done. Some of the biggest
builders of custom sportfish are just a few miles south of here - lots
of good people and lots of resources.

It's also an interesting area to poke around in. Kitty Hawk and the
Wright Brothers Museum are a few miles north, Cape Hatteras and
Ocracoke about 60 miles south. There are miles and miles of deserted
beaches, big dunes, interesting wildlife, etc.

It took two guys a day and a half just to get the tranny out. It's
built like a battleship but probably needs a few dollars worth of
hydraulic seals which will take about 8 man days of labor to replace.

Rumor of Ethanol causing older outboard engines to 'blow up'?
 

Wayne.B wrote:
On Sat, 03 Nov 2007 01:06:57 GMT, Short Wave Sportfishing
wrote:

Good - gotta be better than tying up between two deadmen in a channel
huh? :)


For sure.

Tranny repairs suck.

Yes but this is a good place to get work done. Some of the biggest
builders of custom sportfish are just a few miles south of here - lots
of good people and lots of resources.

It's also an interesting area to poke around in. Kitty Hawk and the
Wright Brothers Museum are a few miles north, Cape Hatteras and
Ocracoke about 60 miles south. There are miles and miles of deserted
beaches, big dunes, interesting wildlife, etc.

It took two guys a day and a half just to get the tranny out. It's
built like a battleship but probably needs a few dollars worth of
hydraulic seals which will take about 8 man days of labor to replace.


Maybe you can scan the bill when it arrivesand post it for our reading
pleasure. Two and a half days to get it out, eight man days to fix, and
what, another two days to reinstall it?

$7500-$10000?

Rumor of Ethanol causing older outboard engines to 'blow up'?
 

On Fri, 02 Nov 2007 22:22:39 -0400, HK wrote:

Maybe you can scan the bill when it arrivesand post it for our reading
pleasure. Two and a half days to get it out, eight man days to fix, and
what, another two days to reinstall it?

$7500-$10000?

Anything less than 6 will be a bargain. We could have made it back to
Florida but this is a good place to get work done, and we'd never had
an opportunity to spend much time here before.

Getting serious work done in SWFL leaves a lot to be desired.
Lauderdale is good but it's hard to sort out who's who, and it's
expensive. Here in North Carolina reputations travel far and fast.

Rumor of Ethanol causing older outboard engines to 'blow up'?
 

On Fri, 02 Nov 2007 22:11:15 -0400, Wayne.B
wrote:

On Sat, 03 Nov 2007 01:06:57 GMT, Short Wave Sportfishing
wrote:

Good - gotta be better than tying up between two deadmen in a channel
huh? :)


For sure.

Tranny repairs suck.

Yes but this is a good place to get work done. Some of the biggest
builders of custom sportfish are just a few miles south of here - lots
of good people and lots of resources.

It's also an interesting area to poke around in. Kitty Hawk and the
Wright Brothers Museum are a few miles north, Cape Hatteras and
Ocracoke about 60 miles south. There are miles and miles of deserted
beaches, big dunes, interesting wildlife, etc.

It took two guys a day and a half just to get the tranny out. It's
built like a battleship but probably needs a few dollars worth of
hydraulic seals which will take about 8 man days of labor to replace.

Eessshhhh...

Rumor of Ethanol causing older outboard engines to 'blow up'?
 

Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
On Fri, 02 Nov 2007 22:11:15 -0400, Wayne.B
wrote:

On Sat, 03 Nov 2007 01:06:57 GMT, Short Wave Sportfishing
wrote:

Good - gotta be better than tying up between two deadmen in a channel
huh? :)

For sure.

Tranny repairs suck.
Yes but this is a good place to get work done. Some of the biggest
builders of custom sportfish are just a few miles south of here - lots
of good people and lots of resources.

It's also an interesting area to poke around in. Kitty Hawk and the
Wright Brothers Museum are a few miles north, Cape Hatteras and
Ocracoke about 60 miles south. There are miles and miles of deserted
beaches, big dunes, interesting wildlife, etc.

It took two guys a day and a half just to get the tranny out. It's
built like a battleship but probably needs a few dollars worth of
hydraulic seals which will take about 8 man days of labor to replace.

Eessshhhh...


I think the bill, if he posts it here, will cause a few giggles. I'm
guessing $7500-$10000 if his labor estimates are correct.

Rumor of Ethanol causing older outboard engines to 'blow up'?
 

"HK" wrote in message
. ..

I think the bill, if he posts it here, will cause a few giggles. I'm
guessing $7500-$10000 if his labor estimates are correct.


No worry, his fishing clients will be paying for that this winter.

Rumor of Ethanol causing older outboard engines to 'blow up'?
 

On Sat, 03 Nov 2007 09:29:20 -0400, HK wrote:

I think the bill, if he posts it here, will cause a few giggles. I'm
guessing $7500-$10000 if his labor estimates are correct.

It's possible but my time estimate may be high. Better to be
surprised on the low side than the other way around. I had a tranny
done on my old Bertram 33 and it ran about $3500. That was a much
easier job from a labor standpoint but the parts were very pricey. The
manufacturer is suggesting that this one just needs new hydraulic
seals. The expensive thing is getting it in and out.

Rumor of Ethanol causing older outboard engines to 'blow up'?
 

JimH wrote:
"Wayne.B" wrote in message
...
On Sat, 03 Nov 2007 01:06:57 GMT, Short Wave Sportfishing
wrote:

Good - gotta be better than tying up between two deadmen in a channel
huh? :)

For sure.

Tranny repairs suck.
Yes but this is a good place to get work done. Some of the biggest
builders of custom sportfish are just a few miles south of here - lots
of good people and lots of resources.

It's also an interesting area to poke around in. Kitty Hawk and the
Wright Brothers Museum are a few miles north, Cape Hatteras and
Ocracoke about 60 miles south. There are miles and miles of deserted
beaches, big dunes, interesting wildlife, etc.


We have rented houses on the Outer Banks several times, including in Duck,
Corolla and Kitty Hawk. It is a nice place to vacation.




So have we...hmmm. I like Hilton Head, too.

Rumor of Ethanol causing older outboard engines to 'blow up'?
 

On Nov 3, 9:28 am, Wayne.B wrote:

The manufacturer is suggesting that this one just needs new
hydraulic seals.

Wayne, for your sake, hope they find more wrong with it than that.
The labor is going to be high enough, but if it was mine I'd demand a
comlplete inspection.

Rumor of Ethanol causing older outboard engines to 'blow up'?
 

HK wrote:
Wayne.B wrote:
On Sat, 03 Nov 2007 01:06:57 GMT, Short Wave Sportfishing
wrote:

Good - gotta be better than tying up between two deadmen in a channel
huh? :)


For sure.

Tranny repairs suck.

Yes but this is a good place to get work done. Some of the biggest
builders of custom sportfish are just a few miles south of here - lots
of good people and lots of resources.
It's also an interesting area to poke around in. Kitty Hawk and the
Wright Brothers Museum are a few miles north, Cape Hatteras and
Ocracoke about 60 miles south. There are miles and miles of deserted
beaches, big dunes, interesting wildlife, etc.

It took two guys a day and a half just to get the tranny out. It's
built like a battleship but probably needs a few dollars worth of
hydraulic seals which will take about 8 man days of labor to replace.


Maybe you can scan the bill when it arrivesand post it for our reading
pleasure. Two and a half days to get it out, eight man days to fix, and
what, another two days to reinstall it?

$7500-$10000?







You really are an asshole, Krause.

Rumor of Ethanol causing older outboard engines to 'blow up'?
 

HK wrote:
Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
On Fri, 02 Nov 2007 22:11:15 -0400, Wayne.B
wrote:

On Sat, 03 Nov 2007 01:06:57 GMT, Short Wave Sportfishing
wrote:

Good - gotta be better than tying up between two deadmen in a channel
huh? :)

For sure.

Tranny repairs suck.
Yes but this is a good place to get work done. Some of the biggest
builders of custom sportfish are just a few miles south of here - lots
of good people and lots of resources.
It's also an interesting area to poke around in. Kitty Hawk and the
Wright Brothers Museum are a few miles north, Cape Hatteras and
Ocracoke about 60 miles south. There are miles and miles of deserted
beaches, big dunes, interesting wildlife, etc.

It took two guys a day and a half just to get the tranny out. It's
built like a battleship but probably needs a few dollars worth of
hydraulic seals which will take about 8 man days of labor to replace.

Eessshhhh...


I think the bill, if he posts it here, will cause a few giggles. I'm
guessing $7500-$10000 if his labor estimates are correct.

Harry,
I spent a long weekend up at the lake, my Marina owner let us use his
houseboat for the weekend, so I know I missed a lot of posts, but why
would someone's expensive repair bill cause a few giggles?

Rumor of Ethanol causing older outboard engines to 'blow up'?
 

On Sun, 04 Nov 2007 00:24:14 -0500, wrote:

Getting serious work done in SWFL leaves a lot to be desired.


Track down a guy named Rick. He has a "strawberry" on his cheek and he
looks a little scruffy but this guy is the best mechanic I have found
in SW Fla. Last I heard he was at Snook Bight on FMB. He is a southern
Md boy

Does he work on big diesels? I've already got a decent guy for the
Mercruiser. At this point I don't think I trust anyone on the
diesels unless they are factory certified.

Rumor of Ethanol causing older outboard engines to 'blow up'?
 

On Sun, 04 Nov 2007 02:08:01 -0000, Tim wrote:

The manufacturer is suggesting that this one just needs new
hydraulic seals.

Wayne, for your sake, hope they find more wrong with it than that.
The labor is going to be high enough, but if it was mine I'd demand a
comlplete inspection.

The guys who are doing the work seem to be very, very thorough. The
manager of the shop has a terrific reputation around here. People
know about him for miles around and his guys found a problem on our
port side engine that had eluded a lot of others. Like a most other
tranny work, the biggest expense is getting it out and back in so I'm
confident they'll make every effort to get it right the first time.

Rumor of Ethanol causing older outboard engines to 'blow up'?
 

On Sun, 04 Nov 2007 16:29:37 -0500, "Reginald P. Smithers III"
wrote:

I spent a long weekend up at the lake, my Marina owner let us use his
houseboat for the weekend, so I know I missed a lot of posts, but why
would someone's expensive repair bill cause a few giggles?

It helps him confirm his own good judgement in buying a smaller boat,
which for him was probably the right decision.

Rumor of Ethanol causing older outboard engines to 'blow up'?
 

Wayne.B wrote:
On Sun, 04 Nov 2007 16:29:37 -0500, "Reginald P. Smithers III"
wrote:

I spent a long weekend up at the lake, my Marina owner let us use his
houseboat for the weekend, so I know I missed a lot of posts, but why
would someone's expensive repair bill cause a few giggles?

It helps him confirm his own good judgement in buying a smaller boat,
which for him was probably the right decision.

Well, for Harry it was the correct decision. I spent 60 hrs boating
this weekend, I am glad it was not a small boat.

Rumor of Ethanol causing older outboard engines to 'blow up'?
 

Reginald P. Smithers III wrote:
Wayne.B wrote:
On Sun, 04 Nov 2007 16:29:37 -0500, "Reginald P. Smithers III"
wrote:

I spent a long weekend up at the lake, my Marina owner let us use his
houseboat for the weekend, so I know I missed a lot of posts, but why
would someone's expensive repair bill cause a few giggles?

It helps him confirm his own good judgement in buying a smaller boat,
which for him was probably the right decision.

Well, for Harry it was the correct decision. I spent 60 hrs boating
this weekend, I am glad it was not a small boat.

That's a long time to be playing with a rubber ducky in a bathtub.

Rumor of Ethanol causing older outboard engines to 'blow up'?
 

HK wrote:
Reginald P. Smithers III wrote:
Wayne.B wrote:
On Sun, 04 Nov 2007 16:29:37 -0500, "Reginald P. Smithers III"
wrote:

I spent a long weekend up at the lake, my Marina owner let us use
his houseboat for the weekend, so I know I missed a lot of posts,
but why would someone's expensive repair bill cause a few giggles?

It helps him confirm his own good judgement in buying a smaller boat,
which for him was probably the right decision.

Well, for Harry it was the correct decision. I spent 60 hrs boating
this weekend, I am glad it was not a small boat.

That's a long time to be playing with a rubber ducky in a bathtub.

Harry,
My comment was neither sarcastic nor snarky. It was based upon you
preferring to use your boat for fishing in the Chesapeake Bay and
rivers. Since I do not enjoy fishing, but as I have said, enjoy boating
as a way to get out of the city and enjoy nature, it would make sense
that I would not enjoy a small boat. If you notice I have stayed away
from the LT Parker comments because I know you take offense to that.
Now if you don't believe anything I say in rec.boats, especially as it
relates to my boating, why don't we just agree to disagree on that
matter. There is nothing I will ever say to make you change your mind,
and it gets real boring for anyone reading rec.boats.

I played around with my Nikon 200 and Tokina 12-24 mm and took some
long exposure photos when I was up at the lake. When I get a chance I
will post them on a web site. I really don't think any were top quality
photos, but it was interesting none the less, and I am really trying to
learn and improve. Since this is something concrete you can critique, I
would be interested in hearing your comments.

Rumor of Ethanol causing older outboard engines to 'blow up'?
 

On Mon, 05 Nov 2007 07:11:49 -0500, "Reginald P. Smithers III"
wrote:

HK wrote:
Reginald P. Smithers III wrote:
Wayne.B wrote:
On Sun, 04 Nov 2007 16:29:37 -0500, "Reginald P. Smithers III"
wrote:

I spent a long weekend up at the lake, my Marina owner let us use
his houseboat for the weekend, so I know I missed a lot of posts,
but why would someone's expensive repair bill cause a few giggles?

It helps him confirm his own good judgement in buying a smaller boat,
which for him was probably the right decision.

Well, for Harry it was the correct decision. I spent 60 hrs boating
this weekend, I am glad it was not a small boat.

That's a long time to be playing with a rubber ducky in a bathtub.

Since I do not enjoy fishing,

You haven't lived until you go with me.

A laugh a minute and adventure to boot if only because you never know
what's going to happen from one minute to the next. :)

I played around with my Nikon 200 and Tokina 12-24 mm and took some
long exposure photos when I was up at the lake. When I get a chance I
will post them on a web site. I really don't think any were top quality
photos, but it was interesting none the less, and I am really trying to
learn and improve. Since this is something concrete you can critique, I
would be interested in hearing your comments.

I would be glad to offer you space on my site if you need it.

How do you like that Tokina lens?

Rumor of Ethanol causing older outboard engines to 'blow up'?
 

Reginald P. Smithers III wrote:
HK wrote:
Reginald P. Smithers III wrote:
Wayne.B wrote:
On Sun, 04 Nov 2007 16:29:37 -0500, "Reginald P. Smithers III"
wrote:

I spent a long weekend up at the lake, my Marina owner let us use
his houseboat for the weekend, so I know I missed a lot of posts,
but why would someone's expensive repair bill cause a few giggles?

It helps him confirm his own good judgement in buying a smaller boat,
which for him was probably the right decision.

Well, for Harry it was the correct decision. I spent 60 hrs boating
this weekend, I am glad it was not a small boat.

That's a long time to be playing with a rubber ducky in a bathtub.

Harry,
My comment was neither sarcastic nor snarky. It was based upon you
preferring to use your boat for fishing in the Chesapeake Bay and
rivers. Since I do not enjoy fishing, but as I have said, enjoy boating
as a way to get out of the city and enjoy nature, it would make sense
that I would not enjoy a small boat. If you notice I have stayed away
from the LT Parker comments because I know you take offense to that. Now
if you don't believe anything I say in rec.boats, especially as it
relates to my boating, why don't we just agree to disagree on that
matter. There is nothing I will ever say to make you change your mind,
and it gets real boring for anyone reading rec.boats.

I played around with my Nikon 200 and Tokina 12-24 mm and took some long
exposure photos when I was up at the lake. When I get a chance I will
post them on a web site. I really don't think any were top quality
photos, but it was interesting none the less, and I am really trying to
learn and improve. Since this is something concrete you can critique, I
would be interested in hearing your comments.





You have no idea where I "prefer" to boat and fish. For the last years,
I have mostly boated and fished in the Bay because I live near it.

I've heard some good things about that Tokina lens. I also saw one of
the new Nikon D3 cameras over the weekend. $4000 or so. Sheesh.

Rumor of Ethanol causing older outboard engines to 'blow up'?
 

Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
On Mon, 05 Nov 2007 07:11:49 -0500, "Reginald P. Smithers III"
wrote:

HK wrote:
Reginald P. Smithers III wrote:
Wayne.B wrote:
On Sun, 04 Nov 2007 16:29:37 -0500, "Reginald P. Smithers III"
wrote:

I spent a long weekend up at the lake, my Marina owner let us use
his houseboat for the weekend, so I know I missed a lot of posts,
but why would someone's expensive repair bill cause a few giggles?
It helps him confirm his own good judgement in buying a smaller boat,
which for him was probably the right decision.
Well, for Harry it was the correct decision. I spent 60 hrs boating
this weekend, I am glad it was not a small boat.

That's a long time to be playing with a rubber ducky in a bathtub.
Since I do not enjoy fishing,

You haven't lived until you go with me.

A laugh a minute and adventure to boot if only because you never know
what's going to happen from one minute to the next. :)

I played around with my Nikon 200 and Tokina 12-24 mm and took some
long exposure photos when I was up at the lake. When I get a chance I
will post them on a web site. I really don't think any were top quality
photos, but it was interesting none the less, and I am really trying to
learn and improve. Since this is something concrete you can critique, I
would be interested in hearing your comments.

I would be glad to offer you space on my site if you need it.

How do you like that Tokina lens?
SWF,
I have enjoyed some deep sea fishing trips, including catching a 7'
Marlin, which i released. What I really enjoy the most about boating,
is just sitting back and relaxing. Someone once told me the key to
fishing, is to enjoy the experience, and not necessarily worry if you
catch anything. I am too goal oriented, so if i say I am "fishing", I
don't enjoy myself if I am not pulling in my limit. ;)

The Tokina 12-24 is a really sharp and fast lens (f4.0) with some minor
distortion (curving) around the edges at 12mm. You can correct this in
photoshop, but I sort of like the curved look. It really has a quality
feel to it, same as my Nikon 70-200mm f2.8, they are both built like a
tanks. The 18-200 mm is the lens I like to keep on the camera for most
occasions, but if I really want a nice panaroma, the 12-24 is far
superior than the 18-200.

Thanks for the offer about using your web site, but I do need to
process the shots, including some I want to experiment with HDR, and
then I can easily upload them to a Flickr account.

Rumor of Ethanol causing older outboard engines to 'blow up'?
 

HK wrote:


You have no idea where I "prefer" to boat and fish. For the last years,
I have mostly boated and fished in the Bay because I live near it.

You are correct, I was basing my assumption on the posts I have read in
rec.boats.

I've heard some good things about that Tokina lens. I also saw one of
the new Nikon D3 cameras over the weekend. $4000 or so. Sheesh.

The Nikon D3 will retail for $5,000 for a least a year or so, but that
is the least of your expenses with a full frame camera. You will now
need to purchase full frame lens to match up with the camera's full
frame sensor. Plan on spending substantially more on new AF_S lens than
you spent on the camera.