Best cleaner for river slime
 

On Mon, 29 Oct 2007 15:12:54 -0400, "Reginald P. Smithers III"
wrote:

Cheap enough to experiment with.
15% hydrochloric acid by weight.
http://www.ahprokleen.com/products/msds/MSDS110.pdf


Yes, take a close look at the label for "On and Off".

JimH prefers using abrasive powders.

Actually, in Jim's defense, he said that he did not rub out the stains
with Bar Keeper's Friend, just makes a paste of it and lets the acid
do the work. In my opinion that will not harm the finish although
something like "On and Off" or "Sno Bowl" will probably get the job
done quicker. All acids are potentially harmful to people or paint of
course. It makes no difference if they start out as a powder or a
liquid.

Best Wax for boats and cars.
 

On Mon, 29 Oct 2007 15:16:18 -0400, "Reginald P. Smithers III"
wrote:

John H. wrote:
On Mon, 29 Oct 2007 14:11:58 -0400, "Reginald P. Smithers III"
wrote:

John H. wrote:
On Mon, 29 Oct 2007 13:15:30 -0400, "Reginald P. Smithers III"
wrote:

Eisboch wrote:
"Don White" wrote in message
...
"Eisboch" wrote in message
...
I always got a kick out of people who wear glasses and pay big bucks for
a "scratch resistant" coating on plastic lenses. The coating is actually
called a hydrophobic coating and does absolutely nothing to make the lens
surface "harder". All it does is adds a bit of lubricity to the surface
so dirt or dust will tend to slide off rather than scratch the plastic
surface.

Wiping them with mineral oil will do the same thing.

Eisboch
That sounds like me.
Would that mineral oil affect the UV coatings?


No. Wipe it on gently and then off gently.

If you paid for a "scratch resistant" coating, you were probably also given
a small bottle of "refresher" or something called similarly. Guess what's
in the little bottle?

Eisboch


(As I raise my hand) ME ME ME , Eisboch call on me.
Is that the same stuff my mother made me drink when I was a kid?
He didn't call you on yet. ;)

****.

JohnH,
I hate to interupt this discussion of laxatives, but did you ever take
that photo class Nikon was offering? I took the D200 class Nikonian
Academy http://www.greaterphoto.com/ gave and it was a great course.

No, like a dummy, I didn't. I just looked and it doesn't look as though
Wash DC is on the agenda for next year.

I took the 18-200mm VR on the Disney trip. I don't know if I'm satisfied
with the sharpness of the lens. Actually, it doesn't make any difference
because I used it for about 450 pictures during the week. I'm thinking of
sending it to Nikon just to have them check it out.

Best cleaner for river slime
 

On Oct 29, 5:16 pm, "Calif Bill" wrote:
"Wayne.B" wrote in message

...





On Sun, 28 Oct 2007 06:16:05 -0400, "Reginald P. Smithers III"
wrote:

I have always use a
product called "On and Off Hull and Bottom Cleaner". I think it has
muriatic acid, but really am not sure. I have purchased it at West
Marine and my marina's store, so I think it is readily available at all
Marine Supply Stores.

"On and Off" works extremely well. It should, the main ingredient is
hydrochloric acid. It does not seem to harm fiberglass but it will
damage some kinds of paint and take wax off the hull. I wear rubber
gloves and glasses when I use it, wet everything down in advance, and
rinse well afterward. The best way to avoid slime build up is a good
coat of wax. Zud and Soft Scrub are two of the worst things you can
use on a fiberglass boat, try everything else first.

Best acid cleaners are the ones for toilets. Home Depot may carry them, but
janitorial supply stores do. Is a gel type version of muriatic acid.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Where'd you get your degree in Chemical Engineering? OR are you now
resorting to cleaning public toilets to get a little cash as opposed
to being a handyman?

Best Wax for boats and cars.
 

On Mon, 29 Oct 2007 15:39:37 -0400, HK wrote:

Well, it does have mineral oil in it, but the main ingredient is a dry
cleaning chemical.

White kerosene? That's what I've heard: kero and mineral oil.

Best cleaner for river slime
 

"Wayne.B" wrote in message
...
On Sun, 28 Oct 2007 06:16:05 -0400, "Reginald P. Smithers III"
wrote:

I have always use a
product called "On and Off Hull and Bottom Cleaner". I think it has
muriatic acid, but really am not sure. I have purchased it at West
Marine and my marina's store, so I think it is readily available at all
Marine Supply Stores.

"On and Off" works extremely well. It should, the main ingredient is
hydrochloric acid. It does not seem to harm fiberglass but it will
damage some kinds of paint and take wax off the hull. I wear rubber
gloves and glasses when I use it, wet everything down in advance, and
rinse well afterward. The best way to avoid slime build up is a good
coat of wax. Zud and Soft Scrub are two of the worst things you can
use on a fiberglass boat, try everything else first.

Best acid cleaners are the ones for toilets. Home Depot may carry them, but
janitorial supply stores do. Is a gel type version of muriatic acid.

Best Wax for boats and cars.
 

"Wayne.B" wrote in message
...
On Mon, 29 Oct 2007 15:39:37 -0400, HK wrote:

Well, it does have mineral oil in it, but the main ingredient is a dry
cleaning chemical.

White kerosene? That's what I've heard: kero and mineral oil.


I could tell you, but then I'd have to ..... well, you know ...

Although it's been figured out (mainly due to the requirement for a Material
Safety Data report,
the official formula for WD-40 is still a deep, dark secret.

Eisboch (back on the boat, insulating the windows)

Best Wax for boats and cars.
 

"Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message
...

On Mon, 29 Oct 2007 12:31:47 -0400, "Eisboch" wrote:

"HK" wrote in message
m...

Hydrophobic interaction.

Yup. There is quite a science associated with this. We built high vacuum
processing systems that ionized gas (plasma) and bombarded the internal
walls of bottles -- plastic and glass -- with energetic ions. The process
super cleaned the surface and water would sheet, rather than bead.

Some well know beer companies use this technology.

Cool.

Thanks.

Something everybody should know, don't you think?

Eisboch (back to insulating the windows)

Best Wax for boats and cars.
 

Eisboch wrote:
"Wayne.B" wrote in message
...
On Mon, 29 Oct 2007 15:39:37 -0400, HK wrote:

Well, it does have mineral oil in it, but the main ingredient is a dry
cleaning chemical.
White kerosene? That's what I've heard: kero and mineral oil.


I could tell you, but then I'd have to ..... well, you know ...

Although it's been figured out (mainly due to the requirement for a Material
Safety Data report,
the official formula for WD-40 is still a deep, dark secret.

Eisboch (back on the boat, insulating the windows)





50% mineral spirits {dry cleaning solvent), 25% carbon dioxide for
propellant, 15% mineral oil, 10% inert ingredients.

Best cleaner for river slime
 

On Mon, 29 Oct 2007 20:50:45 -0000, wrote:

On Oct 29, 5:16 pm, "Calif Bill" wrote:
"Wayne.B" wrote in message

...





On Sun, 28 Oct 2007 06:16:05 -0400, "Reginald P. Smithers III"
wrote:

I have always use a
product called "On and Off Hull and Bottom Cleaner". I think it has
muriatic acid, but really am not sure. I have purchased it at West
Marine and my marina's store, so I think it is readily available at all
Marine Supply Stores.

"On and Off" works extremely well. It should, the main ingredient is
hydrochloric acid. It does not seem to harm fiberglass but it will
damage some kinds of paint and take wax off the hull. I wear rubber
gloves and glasses when I use it, wet everything down in advance, and
rinse well afterward. The best way to avoid slime build up is a good
coat of wax. Zud and Soft Scrub are two of the worst things you can
use on a fiberglass boat, try everything else first.

Best acid cleaners are the ones for toilets. Home Depot may carry them, but
janitorial supply stores do. Is a gel type version of muriatic acid.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Where'd you get your degree in Chemical Engineering? OR are you now
resorting to cleaning public toilets to get a little cash as opposed
to being a handyman?

He was simply providing some information. Does that call for the kind of
**** you just delivered? If you disagree and have better information,
please provide it.

Best cleaner for river slime
 

John H. wrote:
On Mon, 29 Oct 2007 18:25:55 -0400, " JimH" ask wrote:

"John H." wrote in message
...
On Mon, 29 Oct 2007 20:50:45 -0000, wrote:

On Oct 29, 5:16 pm, "Calif Bill" wrote:
"Wayne.B" wrote in message

...





On Sun, 28 Oct 2007 06:16:05 -0400, "Reginald P. Smithers III"
wrote:
I have always use a
product called "On and Off Hull and Bottom Cleaner". I think it has
muriatic acid, but really am not sure. I have purchased it at West
Marine and my marina's store, so I think it is readily available at
all
Marine Supply Stores.
"On and Off" works extremely well. It should, the main ingredient is
hydrochloric acid. It does not seem to harm fiberglass but it will
damage some kinds of paint and take wax off the hull. I wear rubber
gloves and glasses when I use it, wet everything down in advance, and
rinse well afterward. The best way to avoid slime build up is a good
coat of wax. Zud and Soft Scrub are two of the worst things you can
use on a fiberglass boat, try everything else first.
Best acid cleaners are the ones for toilets. Home Depot may carry them,
but
janitorial supply stores do. Is a gel type version of muriatic acid.-
Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -
Where'd you get your degree in Chemical Engineering? OR are you now
resorting to cleaning public toilets to get a little cash as opposed
to being a handyman?
He was simply providing some information. Does that call for the kind of
**** you just delivered? If you disagree and have better information,
please provide it.
http://www.endeavorcomics.com/largent/ranger/rang.wav



My OS is XP and I don't think it'll run a WAV. Just tell me about it.


A classic response.

Best cleaner for river slime
 

HK wrote:
John H. wrote:
On Mon, 29 Oct 2007 18:25:55 -0400, " JimH" ask wrote:

"John H." wrote in message
...
On Mon, 29 Oct 2007 20:50:45 -0000, wrote:

On Oct 29, 5:16 pm, "Calif Bill" wrote:
"Wayne.B" wrote in message

...





On Sun, 28 Oct 2007 06:16:05 -0400, "Reginald P. Smithers III"
wrote:
I have always use a
product called "On and Off Hull and Bottom Cleaner". I think it
has
muriatic acid, but really am not sure. I have purchased it at West
Marine and my marina's store, so I think it is readily available
at all
Marine Supply Stores.
"On and Off" works extremely well. It should, the main
ingredient is
hydrochloric acid. It does not seem to harm fiberglass but it will
damage some kinds of paint and take wax off the hull. I wear rubber
gloves and glasses when I use it, wet everything down in advance,
and
rinse well afterward. The best way to avoid slime build up is a
good
coat of wax. Zud and Soft Scrub are two of the worst things you can
use on a fiberglass boat, try everything else first.
Best acid cleaners are the ones for toilets. Home Depot may carry
them, but
janitorial supply stores do. Is a gel type version of muriatic
acid.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -
Where'd you get your degree in Chemical Engineering? OR are you now
resorting to cleaning public toilets to get a little cash as opposed
to being a handyman?
He was simply providing some information. Does that call for the
kind of
**** you just delivered? If you disagree and have better information,
please provide it.
http://www.endeavorcomics.com/largent/ranger/rang.wav



My OS is XP and I don't think it'll run a WAV. Just tell me about it.


A classic response.

It real was a good one.

Best cleaner for river slime
 

JimH wrote:
"HK" wrote in message
. ..
John H. wrote:
On Mon, 29 Oct 2007 18:25:55 -0400, " JimH" ask wrote:

"John H." wrote in message
...
On Mon, 29 Oct 2007 20:50:45 -0000, wrote:

On Oct 29, 5:16 pm, "Calif Bill" wrote:
"Wayne.B" wrote in message

...





On Sun, 28 Oct 2007 06:16:05 -0400, "Reginald P. Smithers III"
wrote:
I have always use a
product called "On and Off Hull and Bottom Cleaner". I think it
has
muriatic acid, but really am not sure. I have purchased it at West
Marine and my marina's store, so I think it is readily available at
all
Marine Supply Stores.
"On and Off" works extremely well. It should, the main ingredient
is
hydrochloric acid. It does not seem to harm fiberglass but it will
damage some kinds of paint and take wax off the hull. I wear rubber
gloves and glasses when I use it, wet everything down in advance,
and
rinse well afterward. The best way to avoid slime build up is a
good
coat of wax. Zud and Soft Scrub are two of the worst things you can
use on a fiberglass boat, try everything else first.
Best acid cleaners are the ones for toilets. Home Depot may carry
them, but
janitorial supply stores do. Is a gel type version of muriatic
acid.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -
Where'd you get your degree in Chemical Engineering? OR are you now
resorting to cleaning public toilets to get a little cash as opposed
to being a handyman?
He was simply providing some information. Does that call for the kind
of
**** you just delivered? If you disagree and have better information,
please provide it.
http://www.endeavorcomics.com/largent/ranger/rang.wav


My OS is XP and I don't think it'll run a WAV. Just tell me about it.

A classic response.

He has just proved the point I have been making all along. ;-)



JimH, It was a joke, and a good one at that.

Best Wax for boats and cars.
 

JimH wrote:
"Reginald P. Smithers III" wrote in message
...

JohnH,
I hate to interupt this discussion of laxatives, but did you ever take
that photo class Nikon was offering? I took the D200 class Nikonian
Academy http://www.greaterphoto.com/ gave and it was a great course.


Please email John if you are going to have a private conversation.



JimH,
You may want to check out the class, it really was a nice seminar.

Best Wax for boats and cars.
 

On Mon, 29 Oct 2007 17:54:58 -0400, " JimH" ask wrote:


"Reginald P. Smithers III" wrote in message
...


JohnH,
I hate to interupt this discussion of laxatives, but did you ever take
that photo class Nikon was offering? I took the D200 class Nikonian
Academy http://www.greaterphoto.com/ gave and it was a great course.


Please email John if you are going to have a private conversation.


We won't get upset with you for constructive criticism and good advice,
Jimh.

Best cleaner for river slime
 

On Mon, 29 Oct 2007 17:59:43 -0400, " JimH" ask wrote:


"Wayne.B" wrote in message
.. .
On Mon, 29 Oct 2007 11:43:16 -0400, " JimH" ask wrote:

Sno Bowl is the same stuff only cheaper.

I'm going to try that stuff on that Chris Craft hull I have that is
stained.

Cheap enough to experiment with.

15% hydrochloric acid by weight.
http://www.ahprokleen.com/products/msds/MSDS110.pdf


Yes, take a close look at the label for "On and Off".

I actually read the MSDS and you are correct........it is far nastier stuff.
No wonder Reggie is so wacked in the brain.

http://www.jamestowndistributors.com...ll_cleaner.pdf


Have you noticed that when you make nasty comments about Reggie, he doesn't
return them?

Best cleaner for river slime
 

On Mon, 29 Oct 2007 18:25:55 -0400, " JimH" ask wrote:


"John H." wrote in message
.. .
On Mon, 29 Oct 2007 20:50:45 -0000, wrote:

On Oct 29, 5:16 pm, "Calif Bill" wrote:
"Wayne.B" wrote in message

...





On Sun, 28 Oct 2007 06:16:05 -0400, "Reginald P. Smithers III"
wrote:

I have always use a
product called "On and Off Hull and Bottom Cleaner". I think it has
muriatic acid, but really am not sure. I have purchased it at West
Marine and my marina's store, so I think it is readily available at
all
Marine Supply Stores.

"On and Off" works extremely well. It should, the main ingredient is
hydrochloric acid. It does not seem to harm fiberglass but it will
damage some kinds of paint and take wax off the hull. I wear rubber
gloves and glasses when I use it, wet everything down in advance, and
rinse well afterward. The best way to avoid slime build up is a good
coat of wax. Zud and Soft Scrub are two of the worst things you can
use on a fiberglass boat, try everything else first.

Best acid cleaners are the ones for toilets. Home Depot may carry them,
but
janitorial supply stores do. Is a gel type version of muriatic acid.-
Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Where'd you get your degree in Chemical Engineering? OR are you now
resorting to cleaning public toilets to get a little cash as opposed
to being a handyman?

He was simply providing some information. Does that call for the kind of
**** you just delivered? If you disagree and have better information,
please provide it.

http://www.endeavorcomics.com/largent/ranger/rang.wav



My OS is XP and I don't think it'll run a WAV. Just tell me about it.

Best cleaner for river slime
 

On Mon, 29 Oct 2007 19:13:20 -0400, HK wrote:

John H. wrote:
On Mon, 29 Oct 2007 18:25:55 -0400, " JimH" ask wrote:

"John H." wrote in message
...
On Mon, 29 Oct 2007 20:50:45 -0000, wrote:

On Oct 29, 5:16 pm, "Calif Bill" wrote:
"Wayne.B" wrote in message

...





On Sun, 28 Oct 2007 06:16:05 -0400, "Reginald P. Smithers III"
wrote:
I have always use a
product called "On and Off Hull and Bottom Cleaner". I think it has
muriatic acid, but really am not sure. I have purchased it at West
Marine and my marina's store, so I think it is readily available at
all
Marine Supply Stores.
"On and Off" works extremely well. It should, the main ingredient is
hydrochloric acid. It does not seem to harm fiberglass but it will
damage some kinds of paint and take wax off the hull. I wear rubber
gloves and glasses when I use it, wet everything down in advance, and
rinse well afterward. The best way to avoid slime build up is a good
coat of wax. Zud and Soft Scrub are two of the worst things you can
use on a fiberglass boat, try everything else first.
Best acid cleaners are the ones for toilets. Home Depot may carry them,
but
janitorial supply stores do. Is a gel type version of muriatic acid.-
Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -
Where'd you get your degree in Chemical Engineering? OR are you now
resorting to cleaning public toilets to get a little cash as opposed
to being a handyman?
He was simply providing some information. Does that call for the kind of
**** you just delivered? If you disagree and have better information,
please provide it.
http://www.endeavorcomics.com/largent/ranger/rang.wav



My OS is XP and I don't think it'll run a WAV. Just tell me about it.


A classic response.


;-)

Best cleaner for river slime
 

JimH wrote:
"John H." wrote in message
...
On Mon, 29 Oct 2007 18:25:55 -0400, " JimH" ask wrote:

"John H." wrote in message
...
On Mon, 29 Oct 2007 20:50:45 -0000, wrote:

On Oct 29, 5:16 pm, "Calif Bill" wrote:
"Wayne.B" wrote in message

...





On Sun, 28 Oct 2007 06:16:05 -0400, "Reginald P. Smithers III"
wrote:
I have always use a
product called "On and Off Hull and Bottom Cleaner". I think it has
muriatic acid, but really am not sure. I have purchased it at West
Marine and my marina's store, so I think it is readily available at
all
Marine Supply Stores.
"On and Off" works extremely well. It should, the main ingredient
is
hydrochloric acid. It does not seem to harm fiberglass but it will
damage some kinds of paint and take wax off the hull. I wear rubber
gloves and glasses when I use it, wet everything down in advance,
and
rinse well afterward. The best way to avoid slime build up is a
good
coat of wax. Zud and Soft Scrub are two of the worst things you can
use on a fiberglass boat, try everything else first.
Best acid cleaners are the ones for toilets. Home Depot may carry
them,
but
janitorial supply stores do. Is a gel type version of muriatic acid.-
Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -
Where'd you get your degree in Chemical Engineering? OR are you now
resorting to cleaning public toilets to get a little cash as opposed
to being a handyman?
He was simply providing some information. Does that call for the kind of
**** you just delivered? If you disagree and have better information,
please provide it.
http://www.endeavorcomics.com/largent/ranger/rang.wav


My OS is XP and I don't think it'll run a WAV. Just tell me about it.

ROTF! You cannot open a wav file?

And you present yourself as a VISTA expert? ROTFLMAO!!!!!!!!!!!


As I stated, a classic response.

Best cleaner for river slime
 

JimH wrote:
"HK" wrote in message
. ..
JimH wrote:
"John H." wrote in message
...
On Mon, 29 Oct 2007 18:25:55 -0400, " JimH" ask wrote:

"John H." wrote in message
...
On Mon, 29 Oct 2007 20:50:45 -0000, wrote:

On Oct 29, 5:16 pm, "Calif Bill" wrote:
"Wayne.B" wrote in message

...





On Sun, 28 Oct 2007 06:16:05 -0400, "Reginald P. Smithers III"
wrote:
I have always use a
product called "On and Off Hull and Bottom Cleaner". I think it
has
muriatic acid, but really am not sure. I have purchased it at
West
Marine and my marina's store, so I think it is readily available
at
all
Marine Supply Stores.
"On and Off" works extremely well. It should, the main ingredient
is
hydrochloric acid. It does not seem to harm fiberglass but it will
damage some kinds of paint and take wax off the hull. I wear
rubber
gloves and glasses when I use it, wet everything down in advance,
and
rinse well afterward. The best way to avoid slime build up is a
good
coat of wax. Zud and Soft Scrub are two of the worst things you
can
use on a fiberglass boat, try everything else first.
Best acid cleaners are the ones for toilets. Home Depot may carry
them,
but
janitorial supply stores do. Is a gel type version of muriatic
acid.-
Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -
Where'd you get your degree in Chemical Engineering? OR are you now
resorting to cleaning public toilets to get a little cash as opposed
to being a handyman?
He was simply providing some information. Does that call for the kind
of
**** you just delivered? If you disagree and have better information,
please provide it.
http://www.endeavorcomics.com/largent/ranger/rang.wav


My OS is XP and I don't think it'll run a WAV. Just tell me about it.
ROTF! You cannot open a wav file?

And you present yourself as a VISTA expert? ROTFLMAO!!!!!!!!!!!
As I stated, a classic response.

We will now hear............it was a joke.

Another classic response! ;-)



JimH, I am pretty sure wav files have always worked in Windows.

Best cleaner for river slime
 

Reginald P. Smithers III wrote:

JimH, I am pretty sure wav files have always worked in Windows.

Your "pretty sure" isn't enough. We want to sight least 20 googled up
cites pointing to sites. You know, what you do in order to make
everything think you know something.

Best cleaner for river slime
 

Yep, I should have said Carnuba, but I think the idea got across.

All this talk about Zaino makes me wonder about how a polish can protect
paint or fiberglass. Seems like you need a coating of some sort to do that job,
and as far as I know, Carnuba was is one of the toughest of those types.

My experience has been with Simoniz wax with Carnuba was and it protected
my 1990 van's paint for 11 years with a once a year application. When I sold
it, the paint still looked great.

I bought the "On and Off" new gel formulation at West Marine today. The latest
issue of Practical Boater rated it highly along with another brand which West didn't
carry. Practical Boater gave the other brand a higher rating because it was half the
price of "On and Off". The West salesman recognized this and matched the price
to the other stuff. I think Boater's World carried the other brand. These are all
mixtures of various acids, so they probably are equally effective.

Sherwin

BAR wrote:

sherwindu wrote:
My experience with waxes are the easier they apply, the less protection. I only use
waxes with Carbona. It isn't easy to apply, but it lasts a whole season.

Is that Carnuba? If it is then that put that in some cheap chocolates too.

Best cleaner for river slime
 

"Wayne.B" wrote in message
...
On Mon, 29 Oct 2007 10:46:54 -0400, "Reginald P. Smithers III"
wrote:

They say it is the most sophisticated system of synthetic polymeric
system available today. Great marketing, but doesn't really say
anything, I think most of today's polishes are synthetic polymers.

I sent them a request for the MSDS to see what it really is.

There is a reason why I asked if it contains silicone, and many
"miracle" finishing products do. It is almost impossible to repaint a
surface that has been coated with silicone which is a problem for
those with awlgrip on their boats and might need a touch up at some
point.

Automotive paint stores have a solution to remove the silicone. Fish Eye
remover.

Best cleaner for river slime
 

"John H." wrote in message
...
On Mon, 29 Oct 2007 20:50:45 -0000, wrote:

On Oct 29, 5:16 pm, "Calif Bill" wrote:
"Wayne.B" wrote in message

...





On Sun, 28 Oct 2007 06:16:05 -0400, "Reginald P. Smithers III"
wrote:

I have always use a
product called "On and Off Hull and Bottom Cleaner". I think it has
muriatic acid, but really am not sure. I have purchased it at West
Marine and my marina's store, so I think it is readily available at
all
Marine Supply Stores.

"On and Off" works extremely well. It should, the main ingredient is
hydrochloric acid. It does not seem to harm fiberglass but it will
damage some kinds of paint and take wax off the hull. I wear rubber
gloves and glasses when I use it, wet everything down in advance, and
rinse well afterward. The best way to avoid slime build up is a good
coat of wax. Zud and Soft Scrub are two of the worst things you can
use on a fiberglass boat, try everything else first.

Best acid cleaners are the ones for toilets. Home Depot may carry them,
but
janitorial supply stores do. Is a gel type version of muriatic acid.-
Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Where'd you get your degree in Chemical Engineering? OR are you now
resorting to cleaning public toilets to get a little cash as opposed
to being a handyman?

He was simply providing some information. Does that call for the kind of
**** you just delivered? If you disagree and have better information,
please provide it.

He can not help it. To stupid to know different. I found it out when we
had a drought in the early 80's and deposits would build up in the toilets.
Plumber friend told me about the stuff. Since I can learn, I found out
about good cleaner for deposits that acid will remove.

Best cleaner for river slime
 

"Reginald P. Smithers III" wrote in message
. ..
HK wrote:
John H. wrote:
On Mon, 29 Oct 2007 18:25:55 -0400, " JimH" ask wrote:

"John H." wrote in message
...
On Mon, 29 Oct 2007 20:50:45 -0000, wrote:

On Oct 29, 5:16 pm, "Calif Bill" wrote:
"Wayne.B" wrote in message

...





On Sun, 28 Oct 2007 06:16:05 -0400, "Reginald P. Smithers III"
wrote:
I have always use a
product called "On and Off Hull and Bottom Cleaner". I think it
has
muriatic acid, but really am not sure. I have purchased it at
West
Marine and my marina's store, so I think it is readily available
at all
Marine Supply Stores.
"On and Off" works extremely well. It should, the main ingredient
is
hydrochloric acid. It does not seem to harm fiberglass but it will
damage some kinds of paint and take wax off the hull. I wear
rubber
gloves and glasses when I use it, wet everything down in advance,
and
rinse well afterward. The best way to avoid slime build up is a
good
coat of wax. Zud and Soft Scrub are two of the worst things you
can
use on a fiberglass boat, try everything else first.
Best acid cleaners are the ones for toilets. Home Depot may carry
them, but
janitorial supply stores do. Is a gel type version of muriatic
acid.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -
Where'd you get your degree in Chemical Engineering? OR are you now
resorting to cleaning public toilets to get a little cash as opposed
to being a handyman?
He was simply providing some information. Does that call for the kind
of
**** you just delivered? If you disagree and have better information,
please provide it.
http://www.endeavorcomics.com/largent/ranger/rang.wav



My OS is XP and I don't think it'll run a WAV. Just tell me about it.


A classic response.

It real was a good one.


Was it William Tell Overture. And do you know why it was used as the Lone
Ranger theme?
..
..
..
..
Was out of copyright and was free.

Best cleaner for river slime
 

John H. wrote:
;-)


I defer to your expertise. But why go with a cheap AMD?

When I returned my Dell with an Intel chip, I purchased a AMD chip,
because all of the speed test run on the software I used showed AMD was
outperforming the equivalent Intel chip.

I could see a substantial increase in speed between the two computers,
but i am not sure how much of that was the CPU and how much was the
computer set up and preinstalled trialware, freeware, spyware and
bloatware installed on the machines. Gateway puts on substantially less
than Dell.

Best cleaner for river slime
 

John H. wrote:
On Mon, 29 Oct 2007 23:31:57 -0800, "Calif Bill"
wrote:

"Reginald P. Smithers III" wrote in message
. ..
HK wrote:
John H. wrote:
On Mon, 29 Oct 2007 18:25:55 -0400, " JimH" ask wrote:

"John H." wrote in message
...
On Mon, 29 Oct 2007 20:50:45 -0000, wrote:

On Oct 29, 5:16 pm, "Calif Bill" wrote:
"Wayne.B" wrote in message

...





On Sun, 28 Oct 2007 06:16:05 -0400, "Reginald P. Smithers III"
wrote:
I have always use a
product called "On and Off Hull and Bottom Cleaner". I think it
has
muriatic acid, but really am not sure. I have purchased it at
West
Marine and my marina's store, so I think it is readily available
at all
Marine Supply Stores.
"On and Off" works extremely well. It should, the main ingredient
is
hydrochloric acid. It does not seem to harm fiberglass but it will
damage some kinds of paint and take wax off the hull. I wear
rubber
gloves and glasses when I use it, wet everything down in advance,
and
rinse well afterward. The best way to avoid slime build up is a
good
coat of wax. Zud and Soft Scrub are two of the worst things you
can
use on a fiberglass boat, try everything else first.
Best acid cleaners are the ones for toilets. Home Depot may carry
them, but
janitorial supply stores do. Is a gel type version of muriatic
acid.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -
Where'd you get your degree in Chemical Engineering? OR are you now
resorting to cleaning public toilets to get a little cash as opposed
to being a handyman?
He was simply providing some information. Does that call for the kind
of
**** you just delivered? If you disagree and have better information,
please provide it.
http://www.endeavorcomics.com/largent/ranger/rang.wav


My OS is XP and I don't think it'll run a WAV. Just tell me about it.

A classic response.
It real was a good one.

Was it William Tell Overture. And do you know why it was used as the Lone
Ranger theme?
.
.
.
.
Was out of copyright and was free.


I didn't listen, so don't know what it was. But, the story of William Tell
and the overture together make a good way to show children how music can be
used to enhance a story. It, Peter and the Wolf, and the Nutcracker Suite
were used by my mom to get me started, and I was able to get my kids hooked
the same way.

Hey JohnH, did you know windows will play wav files. ;)

Best cleaner for river slime
 

On Tue, 30 Oct 2007 07:35:47 -0500, John H. wrote:


I defer to your expertise. But why go with a cheap AMD?

AMD is no longer the "cheap" chip, and hasn't been for several years. Using benchmarks, AMD
has given Intel a run for the money. It seems, lately, the speed lead has been switching back
and forth, with every new generation of chip.

http://www23.tomshardware.com/cpu_2007.html

Best cleaner for river slime
 

thunder wrote:
On Tue, 30 Oct 2007 07:35:47 -0500, John H. wrote:


I defer to your expertise. But why go with a cheap AMD?

AMD is no longer the "cheap" chip, and hasn't been for several years. Using benchmarks, AMD
has given Intel a run for the money. It seems, lately, the speed lead has been switching back
and forth, with every new generation of chip.

http://www23.tomshardware.com/cpu_2007.html


The cheap AMD chips are cheap indeed, but there's nothing wrong with
them, and the high-end AMD chips are as thunder sez.

Best cleaner for river slime
 

thunder wrote:
On Tue, 30 Oct 2007 07:35:47 -0500, John H. wrote:


I defer to your expertise. But why go with a cheap AMD?

AMD is no longer the "cheap" chip, and hasn't been for several years. Using benchmarks, AMD
has given Intel a run for the money. It seems, lately, the speed lead has been switching back
and forth, with every new generation of chip.

http://www23.tomshardware.com/cpu_2007.html

Sort of like Cameras. For years Canon had a slight edge over Nikon.
Today (especially with the D300 and D3 coming out) Nikon has the slight
edge over Canon.

Gamers have preferred AMD for a long time, but I think part of that is
they could tweak and overclock AMD better than Intel.

Best cleaner for river slime
 

On Mon, 29 Oct 2007 22:39:08 -0400, " JimH" ask wrote:


"Reginald P. Smithers III" wrote in message
...
JimH wrote:
"HK" wrote in message
. ..
JimH wrote:
"John H." wrote in message
...
On Mon, 29 Oct 2007 18:25:55 -0400, " JimH" ask wrote:

"John H." wrote in message
...
On Mon, 29 Oct 2007 20:50:45 -0000, wrote:

On Oct 29, 5:16 pm, "Calif Bill" wrote:
"Wayne.B" wrote in message

...





On Sun, 28 Oct 2007 06:16:05 -0400, "Reginald P. Smithers III"
wrote:
I have always use a
product called "On and Off Hull and Bottom Cleaner". I think it
has
muriatic acid, but really am not sure. I have purchased it at
West
Marine and my marina's store, so I think it is readily available
at
all
Marine Supply Stores.
"On and Off" works extremely well. It should, the main
ingredient is
hydrochloric acid. It does not seem to harm fiberglass but it
will
damage some kinds of paint and take wax off the hull. I wear
rubber
gloves and glasses when I use it, wet everything down in advance,
and
rinse well afterward. The best way to avoid slime build up is a
good
coat of wax. Zud and Soft Scrub are two of the worst things you
can
use on a fiberglass boat, try everything else first.
Best acid cleaners are the ones for toilets. Home Depot may carry
them,
but
janitorial supply stores do. Is a gel type version of muriatic
acid.-
Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -
Where'd you get your degree in Chemical Engineering? OR are you now
resorting to cleaning public toilets to get a little cash as
opposed
to being a handyman?
He was simply providing some information. Does that call for the
kind of
**** you just delivered? If you disagree and have better
information,
please provide it.
http://www.endeavorcomics.com/largent/ranger/rang.wav


My OS is XP and I don't think it'll run a WAV. Just tell me about it.
ROTF! You cannot open a wav file?

And you present yourself as a VISTA expert? ROTFLMAO!!!!!!!!!!!
As I stated, a classic response.

We will now hear............it was a joke.

Another classic response! ;-)

JimH, I am pretty sure wav files have always worked in Windows.


Yep. Now tell that to John H. ;-)


I defer to your expertise. But why go with a cheap AMD?

Best cleaner for river slime
 

On Mon, 29 Oct 2007 19:48:06 -0400, "Reginald P. Smithers III"
wrote:

JimH wrote:
"HK" wrote in message
. ..
John H. wrote:
On Mon, 29 Oct 2007 18:25:55 -0400, " JimH" ask wrote:

"John H." wrote in message
...
On Mon, 29 Oct 2007 20:50:45 -0000, wrote:

On Oct 29, 5:16 pm, "Calif Bill" wrote:
"Wayne.B" wrote in message

...





On Sun, 28 Oct 2007 06:16:05 -0400, "Reginald P. Smithers III"
wrote:
I have always use a
product called "On and Off Hull and Bottom Cleaner". I think it
has
muriatic acid, but really am not sure. I have purchased it at West
Marine and my marina's store, so I think it is readily available at
all
Marine Supply Stores.
"On and Off" works extremely well. It should, the main ingredient
is
hydrochloric acid. It does not seem to harm fiberglass but it will
damage some kinds of paint and take wax off the hull. I wear rubber
gloves and glasses when I use it, wet everything down in advance,
and
rinse well afterward. The best way to avoid slime build up is a
good
coat of wax. Zud and Soft Scrub are two of the worst things you can
use on a fiberglass boat, try everything else first.
Best acid cleaners are the ones for toilets. Home Depot may carry
them, but
janitorial supply stores do. Is a gel type version of muriatic
acid.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -
Where'd you get your degree in Chemical Engineering? OR are you now
resorting to cleaning public toilets to get a little cash as opposed
to being a handyman?
He was simply providing some information. Does that call for the kind
of
**** you just delivered? If you disagree and have better information,
please provide it.
http://www.endeavorcomics.com/largent/ranger/rang.wav


My OS is XP and I don't think it'll run a WAV. Just tell me about it.

A classic response.

He has just proved the point I have been making all along. ;-)



JimH, It was a joke, and a good one at that.

Slid right past him, didn't it!

Best cleaner for river slime
 

John H. wrote:
On Tue, 30 Oct 2007 08:29:22 -0400, HK wrote:

thunder wrote:
On Tue, 30 Oct 2007 07:35:47 -0500, John H. wrote:


I defer to your expertise. But why go with a cheap AMD?
AMD is no longer the "cheap" chip, and hasn't been for several years. Using benchmarks, AMD
has given Intel a run for the money. It seems, lately, the speed lead has been switching back
and forth, with every new generation of chip.

http://www23.tomshardware.com/cpu_2007.html

The cheap AMD chips are cheap indeed, but there's nothing wrong with
them, and the high-end AMD chips are as thunder sez.

You are undoubtedly correct. But, when you were telling us about the
computer you were building, didn't you say you were using an Intell chip?

Yup. But unless you are a high-end gamer or use certain
processor-optimized apps (of which there are almost none), you're not
going to notice any speed difference between a high-end Intel and a
high-end AMD CPU. The only computer game I have installed on this
desktop is MS Golf.

Best cleaner for river slime
 

On Mon, 29 Oct 2007 23:31:57 -0800, "Calif Bill"
wrote:


"Reginald P. Smithers III" wrote in message
...
HK wrote:
John H. wrote:
On Mon, 29 Oct 2007 18:25:55 -0400, " JimH" ask wrote:

"John H." wrote in message
...
On Mon, 29 Oct 2007 20:50:45 -0000, wrote:

On Oct 29, 5:16 pm, "Calif Bill" wrote:
"Wayne.B" wrote in message

...





On Sun, 28 Oct 2007 06:16:05 -0400, "Reginald P. Smithers III"
wrote:
I have always use a
product called "On and Off Hull and Bottom Cleaner". I think it
has
muriatic acid, but really am not sure. I have purchased it at
West
Marine and my marina's store, so I think it is readily available
at all
Marine Supply Stores.
"On and Off" works extremely well. It should, the main ingredient
is
hydrochloric acid. It does not seem to harm fiberglass but it will
damage some kinds of paint and take wax off the hull. I wear
rubber
gloves and glasses when I use it, wet everything down in advance,
and
rinse well afterward. The best way to avoid slime build up is a
good
coat of wax. Zud and Soft Scrub are two of the worst things you
can
use on a fiberglass boat, try everything else first.
Best acid cleaners are the ones for toilets. Home Depot may carry
them, but
janitorial supply stores do. Is a gel type version of muriatic
acid.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -
Where'd you get your degree in Chemical Engineering? OR are you now
resorting to cleaning public toilets to get a little cash as opposed
to being a handyman?
He was simply providing some information. Does that call for the kind
of
**** you just delivered? If you disagree and have better information,
please provide it.
http://www.endeavorcomics.com/largent/ranger/rang.wav



My OS is XP and I don't think it'll run a WAV. Just tell me about it.


A classic response.

It real was a good one.


Was it William Tell Overture. And do you know why it was used as the Lone
Ranger theme?
.
.
.
.
Was out of copyright and was free.


I didn't listen, so don't know what it was. But, the story of William Tell
and the overture together make a good way to show children how music can be
used to enhance a story. It, Peter and the Wolf, and the Nutcracker Suite
were used by my mom to get me started, and I was able to get my kids hooked
the same way.

Best cleaner for river slime
 

On Oct 29, 6:32 pm, John H. wrote:
On Mon, 29 Oct 2007 20:50:45 -0000, wrote:
On Oct 29, 5:16 pm, "Calif Bill" wrote:
"Wayne.B" wrote in message

. ..

On Sun, 28 Oct 2007 06:16:05 -0400, "Reginald P. Smithers III"
wrote:

I have always use a
product called "On and Off Hull and Bottom Cleaner". I think it has
muriatic acid, but really am not sure. I have purchased it at West
Marine and my marina's store, so I think it is readily available at all
Marine Supply Stores.

"On and Off" works extremely well. It should, the main ingredient is
hydrochloric acid. It does not seem to harm fiberglass but it will
damage some kinds of paint and take wax off the hull. I wear rubber
gloves and glasses when I use it, wet everything down in advance, and
rinse well afterward. The best way to avoid slime build up is a good
coat of wax. Zud and Soft Scrub are two of the worst things you can
use on a fiberglass boat, try everything else first.

Best acid cleaners are the ones for toilets. Home Depot may carry them, but
janitorial supply stores do. Is a gel type version of muriatic acid.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Where'd you get your degree in Chemical Engineering? OR are you now
resorting to cleaning public toilets to get a little cash as opposed
to being a handyman?

He was simply providing some information. Does that call for the kind of
**** you just delivered? If you disagree and have better information,
please provide it.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

No worse that the **** delivered to me, John.

Best cleaner for river slime
 

John H. wrote:
On Tue, 30 Oct 2007 08:29:22 -0400, HK wrote:

thunder wrote:
On Tue, 30 Oct 2007 07:35:47 -0500, John H. wrote:


I defer to your expertise. But why go with a cheap AMD?
AMD is no longer the "cheap" chip, and hasn't been for several years. Using benchmarks, AMD
has given Intel a run for the money. It seems, lately, the speed lead has been switching back
and forth, with every new generation of chip.

http://www23.tomshardware.com/cpu_2007.html

The cheap AMD chips are cheap indeed, but there's nothing wrong with
them, and the high-end AMD chips are as thunder sez.

You are undoubtedly correct. But, when you were telling us about the
computer you were building, didn't you say you were using an Intell chip?

I am cheap and NEVER buy the state of the art chip. I normally buy one
or two one step below the state of the art. You pay a hefty premium for
a small increase in performance.

Best cleaner for river slime
 

On Tue, 30 Oct 2007 07:42:06 -0400, "Reginald P. Smithers III"
wrote:

John H. wrote:
;-)


I defer to your expertise. But why go with a cheap AMD?

When I returned my Dell with an Intel chip, I purchased a AMD chip,
because all of the speed test run on the software I used showed AMD was
outperforming the equivalent Intel chip.

I could see a substantial increase in speed between the two computers,
but i am not sure how much of that was the CPU and how much was the
computer set up and preinstalled trialware, freeware, spyware and
bloatware installed on the machines. Gateway puts on substantially less
than Dell.

I think the high end Gateways are using the Intel processor now. It seems
like the race between Intel and AMD is always changing leaders.

I agree with your comments about Dell. It takes a while to get rid of junk
Dell puts on their machines. I don't think I'll buy from Dell again. The
next one will be home built or built at the shop where I'd buy the parts.
I'll probably let them build it just so I'll have someone to complain to if
there's a problem. I added a gig of ram a few months ago and noticed some
improvement in speed with this Dell, so I'm pretty satisfied with it now. I
bought a 160gig Seagate external hard drive, so I've plenty of room now.

Best cleaner for river slime
 

On Tue, 30 Oct 2007 07:52:52 -0400, "Reginald P. Smithers III"
wrote:

John H. wrote:
On Mon, 29 Oct 2007 23:31:57 -0800, "Calif Bill"
wrote:

"Reginald P. Smithers III" wrote in message
. ..
HK wrote:
John H. wrote:
On Mon, 29 Oct 2007 18:25:55 -0400, " JimH" ask wrote:

"John H." wrote in message
...
On Mon, 29 Oct 2007 20:50:45 -0000, wrote:

On Oct 29, 5:16 pm, "Calif Bill" wrote:
"Wayne.B" wrote in message

...





On Sun, 28 Oct 2007 06:16:05 -0400, "Reginald P. Smithers III"
wrote:
I have always use a
product called "On and Off Hull and Bottom Cleaner". I think it
has
muriatic acid, but really am not sure. I have purchased it at
West
Marine and my marina's store, so I think it is readily available
at all
Marine Supply Stores.
"On and Off" works extremely well. It should, the main ingredient
is
hydrochloric acid. It does not seem to harm fiberglass but it will
damage some kinds of paint and take wax off the hull. I wear
rubber
gloves and glasses when I use it, wet everything down in advance,
and
rinse well afterward. The best way to avoid slime build up is a
good
coat of wax. Zud and Soft Scrub are two of the worst things you
can
use on a fiberglass boat, try everything else first.
Best acid cleaners are the ones for toilets. Home Depot may carry
them, but
janitorial supply stores do. Is a gel type version of muriatic
acid.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -
Where'd you get your degree in Chemical Engineering? OR are you now
resorting to cleaning public toilets to get a little cash as opposed
to being a handyman?
He was simply providing some information. Does that call for the kind
of
**** you just delivered? If you disagree and have better information,
please provide it.
http://www.endeavorcomics.com/largent/ranger/rang.wav


My OS is XP and I don't think it'll run a WAV. Just tell me about it.

A classic response.
It real was a good one.

Was it William Tell Overture. And do you know why it was used as the Lone
Ranger theme?
.
.
.
.
Was out of copyright and was free.


I didn't listen, so don't know what it was. But, the story of William Tell
and the overture together make a good way to show children how music can be
used to enhance a story. It, Peter and the Wolf, and the Nutcracker Suite
were used by my mom to get me started, and I was able to get my kids hooked
the same way.

Hey JohnH, did you know windows will play wav files. ;)

Really? Wow! XP just seems to do everything!

Best cleaner for river slime
 

John H. wrote:
On Tue, 30 Oct 2007 08:40:07 -0400, HK wrote:

John H. wrote:
On Tue, 30 Oct 2007 08:29:22 -0400, HK wrote:

thunder wrote:
On Tue, 30 Oct 2007 07:35:47 -0500, John H. wrote:


I defer to your expertise. But why go with a cheap AMD?
AMD is no longer the "cheap" chip, and hasn't been for several years. Using benchmarks, AMD
has given Intel a run for the money. It seems, lately, the speed lead has been switching back
and forth, with every new generation of chip.

http://www23.tomshardware.com/cpu_2007.html
The cheap AMD chips are cheap indeed, but there's nothing wrong with
them, and the high-end AMD chips are as thunder sez.
You are undoubtedly correct. But, when you were telling us about the
computer you were building, didn't you say you were using an Intell chip?
Yup. But unless you are a high-end gamer or use certain
processor-optimized apps (of which there are almost none), you're not
going to notice any speed difference between a high-end Intel and a
high-end AMD CPU. The only computer game I have installed on this
desktop is MS Golf.

Well! That explains both.


Better greens fees with MS Golf. I shoot in the low 60's.

Best cleaner for river slime
 

HK wrote:
John H. wrote:
On Tue, 30 Oct 2007 08:40:07 -0400, HK wrote:

John H. wrote:
On Tue, 30 Oct 2007 08:29:22 -0400, HK wrote:

thunder wrote:
On Tue, 30 Oct 2007 07:35:47 -0500, John H. wrote:


I defer to your expertise. But why go with a cheap AMD?
AMD is no longer the "cheap" chip, and hasn't been for several
years. Using benchmarks, AMD has given Intel a run for the
money. It seems, lately, the speed lead has been switching back
and forth, with every new generation of chip.

http://www23.tomshardware.com/cpu_2007.html
The cheap AMD chips are cheap indeed, but there's nothing wrong
with them, and the high-end AMD chips are as thunder sez.
You are undoubtedly correct. But, when you were telling us about the
computer you were building, didn't you say you were using an Intell
chip?
Yup. But unless you are a high-end gamer or use certain
processor-optimized apps (of which there are almost none), you're not
going to notice any speed difference between a high-end Intel and a
high-end AMD CPU. The only computer game I have installed on this
desktop is MS Golf.

Well! That explains both.


Better greens fees with MS Golf. I shoot in the low 60's.

yes, but what do you tip the caddie?

Best cleaner for river slime
 

Reginald P. Smithers III wrote:
HK wrote:
John H. wrote:
On Tue, 30 Oct 2007 08:40:07 -0400, HK wrote:

John H. wrote:
On Tue, 30 Oct 2007 08:29:22 -0400, HK wrote:

thunder wrote:
On Tue, 30 Oct 2007 07:35:47 -0500, John H. wrote:


I defer to your expertise. But why go with a cheap AMD?
AMD is no longer the "cheap" chip, and hasn't been for several
years. Using benchmarks, AMD has given Intel a run for the
money. It seems, lately, the speed lead has been switching back
and forth, with every new generation of chip.

http://www23.tomshardware.com/cpu_2007.html
The cheap AMD chips are cheap indeed, but there's nothing wrong
with them, and the high-end AMD chips are as thunder sez.
You are undoubtedly correct. But, when you were telling us about the
computer you were building, didn't you say you were using an Intell
chip?
Yup. But unless you are a high-end gamer or use certain
processor-optimized apps (of which there are almost none), you're
not going to notice any speed difference between a high-end Intel
and a high-end AMD CPU. The only computer game I have installed on
this desktop is MS Golf.

Well! That explains both.


Better greens fees with MS Golf. I shoot in the low 60's.

yes, but what do you tip the caddie?


The usual.