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"Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message
...


I would assume that the sheeting action is related to the fact that
there isn't anything for the water to cling to.

And you would assume correctly.

Eisboch

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Reginald P. Smithers III wrote:
HK wrote:
Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
On Mon, 29 Oct 2007 09:41:03 -0400, "Eisboch" wrote:

There is a school of thought that suggests that "beading" of water
on a painted surface will cause paint damage unless you wash and wax
very regularly. The beads of water act like miniature magnifying
glasses, focusing and intensifying the sun's energy, burning through
the wax and paint and permanently burning any dust or dirt into the
surface. The wax is sacrificial and does not last very long.

File this under learn something new everyday.

I just read Wayne's post about sheeting water on his racer and your
post on optics.

Here's my question - what makes the water bead? Is it that it clings
to the surface, or because it can't cling to the surface?



Hydrophobic interaction.

Harry,

There is no doubt about it, you are much smarter than I am. I am
curious why a really smart guy like yourself, living in New Haven, with
some of the best schools in the country within 150 miles, would have to
slum it and go to a 4th tier school such as University of Kansas?

You did know that the really good schools provide scholarships and
grants for the overachievers. My high school counselors tried to make
sure all the college bound students knew all the options they had.

Did I tell you my Dad was on full scholarship and graduated from Yale
(courtesy of the war dept.) and my son got a work study program at
Columbia. I try not to talk about myself, so i won't tell you where I
went to school.


You seem to be working extra hard to convince me you are some sort of
worthy human being. You're wasting your time. I concluded several years
ago you were a turd, and nothing you have done since has made me
question that conclusion.

I don't believe you knew your father, and if your son (or the boy you
think is your son) is on a work-study program, it probably is the
offered by the Georgia State Prison System. Or not. It doesn't matter to me.

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Eisboch wrote:
"Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message
...

I would assume that the sheeting action is related to the fact that
there isn't anything for the water to cling to.

And you would assume correctly.

Eisboch




So that's why water rolls right off the top of my head without forming
drops! And I thought it was because I stopped using Turtle Wax.

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"HK" wrote in message
. ..
Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
On Mon, 29 Oct 2007 09:41:03 -0400, "Eisboch" wrote:

There is a school of thought that suggests that "beading" of water on a
painted surface will cause paint damage unless you wash and wax very
regularly. The beads of water act like miniature magnifying glasses,
focusing and intensifying the sun's energy, burning through the wax and
paint and permanently burning any dust or dirt into the surface. The
wax is sacrificial and does not last very long.

File this under learn something new everyday.

I just read Wayne's post about sheeting water on his racer and your
post on optics.

Here's my question - what makes the water bead? Is it that it clings
to the surface, or because it can't cling to the surface?



Hydrophobic interaction.

Yup. There is quite a science associated with this. We built high vacuum
processing systems that ionized gas (plasma) and bombarded the internal
walls of bottles -- plastic and glass -- with energetic ions. The process
super cleaned the surface and water would sheet, rather than bead.

Some well know beer companies use this technology.

Eisboch

Makes for very sanitary

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Eisboch wrote:
"HK" wrote in message
. ..
Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
On Mon, 29 Oct 2007 09:41:03 -0400, "Eisboch" wrote:

There is a school of thought that suggests that "beading" of water on a
painted surface will cause paint damage unless you wash and wax very
regularly. The beads of water act like miniature magnifying glasses,
focusing and intensifying the sun's energy, burning through the wax and
paint and permanently burning any dust or dirt into the surface. The
wax is sacrificial and does not last very long.
File this under learn something new everyday.

I just read Wayne's post about sheeting water on his racer and your
post on optics.

Here's my question - what makes the water bead? Is it that it clings
to the surface, or because it can't cling to the surface?


Hydrophobic interaction.

Yup. There is quite a science associated with this. We built high vacuum
processing systems that ionized gas (plasma) and bombarded the internal
walls of bottles -- plastic and glass -- with energetic ions. The process
super cleaned the surface and water would sheet, rather than bead.

Some well know beer companies use this technology.

Eisboch

Makes for very sanitary




Hey! I tuk fizzzziks!

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"HK" wrote in message
. ..

Eisboch wrote:

"HK" wrote in message
. ..
Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
On Mon, 29 Oct 2007 09:41:03 -0400, "Eisboch" wrote:

There is a school of thought that suggests that "beading" of water on
a painted surface will cause paint damage unless you wash and wax very
regularly. The beads of water act like miniature magnifying glasses,
focusing and intensifying the sun's energy, burning through the wax
and paint and permanently burning any dust or dirt into the surface.
The wax is sacrificial and does not last very long.
File this under learn something new everyday.

I just read Wayne's post about sheeting water on his racer and your
post on optics.

Here's my question - what makes the water bead? Is it that it clings
to the surface, or because it can't cling to the surface?


Hydrophobic interaction.

Yup. There is quite a science associated with this. We built high
vacuum processing systems that ionized gas (plasma) and bombarded the
internal walls of bottles -- plastic and glass -- with energetic ions.
The process super cleaned the surface and water would sheet, rather than
bead.

Some well know beer companies use this technology.

Eisboch

Makes for very sanitary


Hey! I tuk fizzzziks!


I always got a kick out of people who wear glasses and pay big bucks for a
"scratch resistant" coating on plastic lenses. The coating is actually
called a hydrophobic coating and does absolutely nothing to make the lens
surface "harder". All it does is adds a bit of lubricity to the surface so
dirt or dust will tend to slide off rather than scratch the plastic surface.

Wiping them with mineral oil will do the same thing.

Eisboch

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On Mon, 29 Oct 2007 12:28:50 -0400, HK wrote:

So that's why water rolls right off the top of my head without forming
drops! And I thought it was because I stopped using Turtle Wax.

More likely because you lost your hair.

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"Wayne.B" wrote in message
...
On Mon, 29 Oct 2007 12:28:50 -0400, HK wrote:

So that's why water rolls right off the top of my head without forming
drops! And I thought it was because I stopped using Turtle Wax.

More likely because you lost your hair.


Harry needs to stop ionizing his head.

Eisboch

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Wayne.B wrote:
On Mon, 29 Oct 2007 12:28:50 -0400, HK wrote:

So that's why water rolls right off the top of my head without forming
drops! And I thought it was because I stopped using Turtle Wax.

More likely because you lost your hair.


I dunno. I can't see what is happening up there.

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On Oct 28, 6:39?pm, "Reginald P. Smithers III"
wrote:
Chuck Gould wrote:
On Oct 27, 10:44?pm, sherwindu wrote:
After pulling my boat from the Root River in Racine Wisconsin, I noticed that
there
was an ugly band of black gunk at the waterline, especially at the upstream side
of
the boat when it was in the slip. A power wash got the mud off, but this band
of
gunk stayed on. I had the same problem last year, and had to rub like hell with

all kinds of cleaners to get it off. Someone recommended using Tidy Bowl as a
cleaner, possibly because it contains Muratic Acid. I know that Muratic Acid is

used to clean and etch concrete, so I was wary to use it on my fiberglass hull.
Was I correct about this? Is there a better way to clean off this river junk?
I
have used Zud and other similar products, but they don't get everything off and
require a lot of elbow grease. Some of this gunk is on the bottom paint, as
well,
so I have to be careful not to dissolve that.

Sherwin

You might try this stuff:

http://lat43.com/marine.html

Absolutely non-abrasive, and cleans far better than any thing else I
have ever used.

Chuck, have you used this stuff on water line gunk?- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

If it will take off spider poop, (and it does), water line scum should
be easy. No, I have not personally used in on waer line gunk.

There's a before and after photo on the web site showing what are
reported to be the results of spraying a dirty bottomw with water,
applying the soap, letting it sit a while, and then spraying again. I
haven't done that either, but based on what I've been able to observe
above the waterline I don't doubt that they got the results the photos
illustrate.

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HK wrote:



Hydrophobic interaction.

Harry,

There is no doubt about it, you are much smarter than I am. I am
curious why a really smart guy like yourself, living in New Haven,
with some of the best schools in the country within 150 miles, would
have to slum it and go to a 4th tier school such as University of Kansas?


You missed the most important part about what made you go to the U of K.
I would have thought you could have gotten into something better.
My daughter is slumming it at state school, but she is at U of Mich.

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Chuck Gould wrote:
On Oct 28, 6:39?pm, "Reginald P. Smithers III"
wrote:
Chuck Gould wrote:
On Oct 27, 10:44?pm, sherwindu wrote:
After pulling my boat from the Root River in Racine Wisconsin, I noticed that
there
was an ugly band of black gunk at the waterline, especially at the upstream side
of
the boat when it was in the slip. A power wash got the mud off, but this band
of
gunk stayed on. I had the same problem last year, and had to rub like hell with
all kinds of cleaners to get it off. Someone recommended using Tidy Bowl as a
cleaner, possibly because it contains Muratic Acid. I know that Muratic Acid is
used to clean and etch concrete, so I was wary to use it on my fiberglass hull.
Was I correct about this? Is there a better way to clean off this river junk?
I
have used Zud and other similar products, but they don't get everything off and
require a lot of elbow grease. Some of this gunk is on the bottom paint, as
well,
so I have to be careful not to dissolve that.
Sherwin
You might try this stuff:
http://lat43.com/marine.html
Absolutely non-abrasive, and cleans far better than any thing else I
have ever used.
Chuck, have you used this stuff on water line gunk?- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

If it will take off spider poop, (and it does), water line scum should
be easy. No, I have not personally used in on waer line gunk.

There's a before and after photo on the web site showing what are
reported to be the results of spraying a dirty bottomw with water,
applying the soap, letting it sit a while, and then spraying again. I
haven't done that either, but based on what I've been able to observe
above the waterline I don't doubt that they got the results the photos
illustrate.



Our spider poop must not be as strong as the NW spider poop, I can just
hose that off of my boat, even the parts I don't wax.

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"Don White" wrote in message
...

"Eisboch" wrote in message
...


I always got a kick out of people who wear glasses and pay big bucks for
a "scratch resistant" coating on plastic lenses. The coating is actually
called a hydrophobic coating and does absolutely nothing to make the lens
surface "harder". All it does is adds a bit of lubricity to the surface
so dirt or dust will tend to slide off rather than scratch the plastic
surface.

Wiping them with mineral oil will do the same thing.

Eisboch


That sounds like me.
Would that mineral oil affect the UV coatings?



No. Wipe it on gently and then off gently.

If you paid for a "scratch resistant" coating, you were probably also given
a small bottle of "refresher" or something called similarly. Guess what's
in the little bottle?

Eisboch

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Eisboch wrote:
"Don White" wrote in message
...
"Eisboch" wrote in message
...
I always got a kick out of people who wear glasses and pay big bucks for
a "scratch resistant" coating on plastic lenses. The coating is actually
called a hydrophobic coating and does absolutely nothing to make the lens
surface "harder". All it does is adds a bit of lubricity to the surface
so dirt or dust will tend to slide off rather than scratch the plastic
surface.

Wiping them with mineral oil will do the same thing.

Eisboch

That sounds like me.
Would that mineral oil affect the UV coatings?



No. Wipe it on gently and then off gently.

If you paid for a "scratch resistant" coating, you were probably also given
a small bottle of "refresher" or something called similarly. Guess what's
in the little bottle?

Eisboch



(As I raise my hand) ME ME ME , Eisboch call on me.

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On Mon, 29 Oct 2007 13:03:54 -0400, Reginald P. Smithers III penned
the following well considered thoughts to the readers of rec.boats:

|Chuck Gould wrote:
| On Oct 28, 6:39?pm, "Reginald P. Smithers III"
| wrote:
| Chuck Gould wrote:
| On Oct 27, 10:44?pm, sherwindu wrote:
| After pulling my boat from the Root River in Racine Wisconsin, I noticed that
| there
| was an ugly band of black gunk at the waterline, especially at the upstream side
| of
| the boat when it was in the slip. A power wash got the mud off, but this band
| of
| gunk stayed on. I had the same problem last year, and had to rub like hell with
| all kinds of cleaners to get it off. Someone recommended using Tidy Bowl as a
| cleaner, possibly because it contains Muratic Acid. I know that Muratic Acid is
| used to clean and etch concrete, so I was wary to use it on my fiberglass hull.
| Was I correct about this? Is there a better way to clean off this river junk?
| I
| have used Zud and other similar products, but they don't get everything off and
| require a lot of elbow grease. Some of this gunk is on the bottom paint, as
| well,
| so I have to be careful not to dissolve that.
| Sherwin
| You might try this stuff:
| http://lat43.com/marine.html
| Absolutely non-abrasive, and cleans far better than any thing else I
| have ever used.
| Chuck, have you used this stuff on water line gunk?- Hide quoted text -
|
| - Show quoted text -
|
| If it will take off spider poop, (and it does), water line scum should
| be easy. No, I have not personally used in on waer line gunk.
|
| There's a before and after photo on the web site showing what are
| reported to be the results of spraying a dirty bottomw with water,
| applying the soap, letting it sit a while, and then spraying again. I
| haven't done that either, but based on what I've been able to observe
| above the waterline I don't doubt that they got the results the photos
| illustrate.
|
|
|
|Our spider poop must not be as strong as the NW spider poop, I can just
|hose that off of my boat, even the parts I don't wax.

Boy, I can't..... you can hardly SCRUB that crap off..... even from
things like glazed tile....

--

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"Eisboch" wrote in message
...

I always got a kick out of people who wear glasses and pay big bucks for a
"scratch resistant" coating on plastic lenses. The coating is actually
called a hydrophobic coating and does absolutely nothing to make the lens
surface "harder". All it does is adds a bit of lubricity to the surface
so dirt or dust will tend to slide off rather than scratch the plastic
surface.

Wiping them with mineral oil will do the same thing.

Eisboch


Another thing that always cracked me up ....

Many people pay 50 bucks or more extra for an "anti-reflective" coating.
There's nothing wrong with that .... the anti-reflective thin film coating,
if properly done, works just fine.

What is goofy about it though is that it isn't a true, flat antireflective
coating. The thin film design includes a slightly reflective "bump" in the
green light spectrum, and is called "neutral green" in the ophthalmic
eyeglass coating industry. It's only purpose is to assure the customer
that indeed, his/her glasses got the special, 50 dollar treatment. A good
anti-reflection coating would not have the green tint.

I have a 6-inch diameter flat glass that was masked in all but the center,
3-inch diameter section. A very good anti-reflection coating was applied to
the unmasked section. If you look at it, it appears to be an 6-inch glass
plate with a 3-inch hole in the center.

Eisboch

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Gene Kearns wrote:
On Mon, 29 Oct 2007 13:03:54 -0400, Reginald P. Smithers III penned
the following well considered thoughts to the readers of rec.boats:

|Chuck Gould wrote:
| On Oct 28, 6:39?pm, "Reginald P. Smithers III"
| wrote:
| Chuck Gould wrote:
| On Oct 27, 10:44?pm, sherwindu wrote:
| After pulling my boat from the Root River in Racine Wisconsin, I noticed that
| there
| was an ugly band of black gunk at the waterline, especially at the upstream side
| of
| the boat when it was in the slip. A power wash got the mud off, but this band
| of
| gunk stayed on. I had the same problem last year, and had to rub like hell with
| all kinds of cleaners to get it off. Someone recommended using Tidy Bowl as a
| cleaner, possibly because it contains Muratic Acid. I know that Muratic Acid is
| used to clean and etch concrete, so I was wary to use it on my fiberglass hull.
| Was I correct about this? Is there a better way to clean off this river junk?
| I
| have used Zud and other similar products, but they don't get everything off and
| require a lot of elbow grease. Some of this gunk is on the bottom paint, as
| well,
| so I have to be careful not to dissolve that.
| Sherwin
| You might try this stuff:
| http://lat43.com/marine.html
| Absolutely non-abrasive, and cleans far better than any thing else I
| have ever used.
| Chuck, have you used this stuff on water line gunk?- Hide quoted text -
|
| - Show quoted text -
|
| If it will take off spider poop, (and it does), water line scum should
| be easy. No, I have not personally used in on waer line gunk.
|
| There's a before and after photo on the web site showing what are
| reported to be the results of spraying a dirty bottomw with water,
| applying the soap, letting it sit a while, and then spraying again. I
| haven't done that either, but based on what I've been able to observe
| above the waterline I don't doubt that they got the results the photos
| illustrate.
|
|
|
|Our spider poop must not be as strong as the NW spider poop, I can just
|hose that off of my boat, even the parts I don't wax.

Boy, I can't..... you can hardly SCRUB that crap off..... even from
things like glazed tile....


Well just another reason why you need to try Zaino Bros. wash. ;)

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wrote in message
...
On Mon, 29 Oct 2007 12:45:18 -0400, "Eisboch" wrote:



Umm. I think the scratch coating is included on all plastic eyeglass
lenses at no charge these days. I haven't paid extra for it in over 20
years.



Well, they shouldn't charge for it. You can't make a relatively soft
material harder by putting a very thin (few hundred angstrom) hard coating
on it. It's like trying to make foam rubber hard by applying a thin coat
of enamel paint.

Some of the newer plastics are, by virtue of their chemistry, harder than
others and therefore more "scratch resistant".

Eisboch

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John H. wrote:
On Mon, 29 Oct 2007 15:28:56 GMT, Short Wave Sportfishing
wrote:

On Mon, 29 Oct 2007 09:18:05 -0400, "Reginald P. Smithers III"
wrote:

HK wrote:
Reginald P. Smithers III wrote:
BAR wrote:
sherwindu wrote:
My experience with waxes are the easier they apply, the less
protection. I only use
waxes with Carbona. It isn't easy to apply, but it lasts a whole
season.
Is that Carnuba? If it is then that put that in some cheap chocolates
too.
Does it also protect your digestive tract?

Do you remember that long thread we had a number of years ago, about
what was the best wax for your car. As with so many NG threads it
went on for months. I wish I could remember who made the post about
Zaino and "sold" me on trying it. I owe them a beer and dinner.



I'm not sure, but I think I was the first one or maybe the second who
mentioned the virtues of Zaino.
Well if you are I owe you a beer and dinner.
I'd pay to be there for that.

If you'll buy my dinner, I'll come too!

I have a great idea, why don't we go for a dinner cruise around the
Baltimore Harbor. If Harry will bring his big boat, I will have it
catered.

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"Eisboch" wrote in message
...


I always got a kick out of people who wear glasses and pay big bucks for a
"scratch resistant" coating on plastic lenses. The coating is actually
called a hydrophobic coating and does absolutely nothing to make the lens
surface "harder". All it does is adds a bit of lubricity to the surface
so dirt or dust will tend to slide off rather than scratch the plastic
surface.

Wiping them with mineral oil will do the same thing.

Eisboch


That sounds like me.
Would that mineral oil affect the UV coatings?

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"John H." wrote in message
...


You know too much stuff.

I've become used to the glassy-eyed, bored gaze of my audience.

A regular walking encyclopedia of worthless information, according to Mrs.E.

Eisboch

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John H. wrote:
On Mon, 29 Oct 2007 13:15:30 -0400, "Reginald P. Smithers III"
wrote:

Eisboch wrote:
"Don White" wrote in message
...
"Eisboch" wrote in message
...
I always got a kick out of people who wear glasses and pay big bucks for
a "scratch resistant" coating on plastic lenses. The coating is actually
called a hydrophobic coating and does absolutely nothing to make the lens
surface "harder". All it does is adds a bit of lubricity to the surface
so dirt or dust will tend to slide off rather than scratch the plastic
surface.

Wiping them with mineral oil will do the same thing.

Eisboch
That sounds like me.
Would that mineral oil affect the UV coatings?


No. Wipe it on gently and then off gently.

If you paid for a "scratch resistant" coating, you were probably also given
a small bottle of "refresher" or something called similarly. Guess what's
in the little bottle?

Eisboch


(As I raise my hand) ME ME ME , Eisboch call on me.

Is that the same stuff my mother made me drink when I was a kid?

He didn't call you on yet. ;)

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On Mon, 29 Oct 2007 13:30:30 -0400, Reginald P. Smithers III penned
the following well considered thoughts to the readers of rec.boats:

|Gene Kearns wrote:
| On Mon, 29 Oct 2007 13:03:54 -0400, Reginald P. Smithers III penned
| the following well considered thoughts to the readers of rec.boats:
|
| |Chuck Gould wrote:
| | On Oct 28, 6:39?pm, "Reginald P. Smithers III"
| | wrote:
| | Chuck Gould wrote:
| | On Oct 27, 10:44?pm, sherwindu wrote:
| | After pulling my boat from the Root River in Racine Wisconsin, I noticed that
| | there
| | was an ugly band of black gunk at the waterline, especially at the upstream side
| | of
| | the boat when it was in the slip. A power wash got the mud off, but this band
| | of
| | gunk stayed on. I had the same problem last year, and had to rub like hell with
| | all kinds of cleaners to get it off. Someone recommended using Tidy Bowl as a
| | cleaner, possibly because it contains Muratic Acid. I know that Muratic Acid is
| | used to clean and etch concrete, so I was wary to use it on my fiberglass hull.
| | Was I correct about this? Is there a better way to clean off this river junk?
| | I
| | have used Zud and other similar products, but they don't get everything off and
| | require a lot of elbow grease. Some of this gunk is on the bottom paint, as
| | well,
| | so I have to be careful not to dissolve that.
| | Sherwin
| | You might try this stuff:
| | http://lat43.com/marine.html
| | Absolutely non-abrasive, and cleans far better than any thing else I
| | have ever used.
| | Chuck, have you used this stuff on water line gunk?- Hide quoted text -
| |
| | - Show quoted text -
| |
| | If it will take off spider poop, (and it does), water line scum should
| | be easy. No, I have not personally used in on waer line gunk.
| |
| | There's a before and after photo on the web site showing what are
| | reported to be the results of spraying a dirty bottomw with water,
| | applying the soap, letting it sit a while, and then spraying again. I
| | haven't done that either, but based on what I've been able to observe
| | above the waterline I don't doubt that they got the results the photos
| | illustrate.
| |
| |
| |
| |Our spider poop must not be as strong as the NW spider poop, I can just
| |hose that off of my boat, even the parts I don't wax.
|
| Boy, I can't..... you can hardly SCRUB that crap off..... even from
| things like glazed tile....
|
|
|Well just another reason why you need to try Zaino Bros. wash. ;)

Do you order online or can you find it locally?

--

Grady-White Gulfstream, out of Oak Island, NC.

Homepage
http://pamandgene.idleplay.net/

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On Mon, 29 Oct 2007 15:28:56 GMT, Short Wave Sportfishing
wrote:

On Mon, 29 Oct 2007 09:18:05 -0400, "Reginald P. Smithers III"
wrote:

HK wrote:
Reginald P. Smithers III wrote:
BAR wrote:
sherwindu wrote:
My experience with waxes are the easier they apply, the less
protection. I only use
waxes with Carbona. It isn't easy to apply, but it lasts a whole
season.

Is that Carnuba? If it is then that put that in some cheap chocolates
too.

Does it also protect your digestive tract?

Do you remember that long thread we had a number of years ago, about
what was the best wax for your car. As with so many NG threads it
went on for months. I wish I could remember who made the post about
Zaino and "sold" me on trying it. I owe them a beer and dinner.




I'm not sure, but I think I was the first one or maybe the second who
mentioned the virtues of Zaino.

Well if you are I owe you a beer and dinner.

I'd pay to be there for that.

If you'll buy my dinner, I'll come too!

Best Wax for boats and cars.
 

On Mon, 29 Oct 2007 12:45:18 -0400, "Eisboch" wrote:

Wiping them with mineral oil will do the same thing.

WD40? Never thought of that.

Best cleaner for river slime
 

Gene Kearns wrote:
On Mon, 29 Oct 2007 13:30:30 -0400, Reginald P. Smithers III penned
the following well considered thoughts to the readers of rec.boats:

|Gene Kearns wrote:
| On Mon, 29 Oct 2007 13:03:54 -0400, Reginald P. Smithers III penned
| the following well considered thoughts to the readers of rec.boats:
|
| |Chuck Gould wrote:
| | On Oct 28, 6:39?pm, "Reginald P. Smithers III"
| | wrote:
| | Chuck Gould wrote:
| | On Oct 27, 10:44?pm, sherwindu wrote:
| | After pulling my boat from the Root River in Racine Wisconsin, I noticed that
| | there
| | was an ugly band of black gunk at the waterline, especially at the upstream side
| | of
| | the boat when it was in the slip. A power wash got the mud off, but this band
| | of
| | gunk stayed on. I had the same problem last year, and had to rub like hell with
| | all kinds of cleaners to get it off. Someone recommended using Tidy Bowl as a
| | cleaner, possibly because it contains Muratic Acid. I know that Muratic Acid is
| | used to clean and etch concrete, so I was wary to use it on my fiberglass hull.
| | Was I correct about this? Is there a better way to clean off this river junk?
| | I
| | have used Zud and other similar products, but they don't get everything off and
| | require a lot of elbow grease. Some of this gunk is on the bottom paint, as
| | well,
| | so I have to be careful not to dissolve that.
| | Sherwin
| | You might try this stuff:
| | http://lat43.com/marine.html
| | Absolutely non-abrasive, and cleans far better than any thing else I
| | have ever used.
| | Chuck, have you used this stuff on water line gunk?- Hide quoted text -
| |
| | - Show quoted text -
| |
| | If it will take off spider poop, (and it does), water line scum should
| | be easy. No, I have not personally used in on waer line gunk.
| |
| | There's a before and after photo on the web site showing what are
| | reported to be the results of spraying a dirty bottomw with water,
| | applying the soap, letting it sit a while, and then spraying again. I
| | haven't done that either, but based on what I've been able to observe
| | above the waterline I don't doubt that they got the results the photos
| | illustrate.
| |
| |
| |
| |Our spider poop must not be as strong as the NW spider poop, I can just
| |hose that off of my boat, even the parts I don't wax.
|
| Boy, I can't..... you can hardly SCRUB that crap off..... even from
| things like glazed tile....
|
|
|Well just another reason why you need to try Zaino Bros. wash. ;)

Do you order online or can you find it locally?


I order online. Before he started to accept credit cards online, I had
to send print out an order form and mail it to him with a check. At the
time, I called him and he told me he did not have a local distributor.
Now he is state of the art, and actually accepts credit cards.

http://www.zainostore.com/

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On Mon, 29 Oct 2007 12:50:23 -0400, HK wrote:

More likely because you lost your hair.


I dunno. I can't see what is happening up there.

Just as well if you're like most 60 year old guys.

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On Mon, 29 Oct 2007 12:31:47 -0400, "Eisboch" wrote:


"HK" wrote in message
...
Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
On Mon, 29 Oct 2007 09:41:03 -0400, "Eisboch" wrote:

There is a school of thought that suggests that "beading" of water on a
painted surface will cause paint damage unless you wash and wax very
regularly. The beads of water act like miniature magnifying glasses,
focusing and intensifying the sun's energy, burning through the wax and
paint and permanently burning any dust or dirt into the surface. The
wax is sacrificial and does not last very long.

File this under learn something new everyday.

I just read Wayne's post about sheeting water on his racer and your
post on optics.

Here's my question - what makes the water bead? Is it that it clings
to the surface, or because it can't cling to the surface?



Hydrophobic interaction.

Yup. There is quite a science associated with this. We built high vacuum
processing systems that ionized gas (plasma) and bombarded the internal
walls of bottles -- plastic and glass -- with energetic ions. The process
super cleaned the surface and water would sheet, rather than bead.

Some well know beer companies use this technology.

Eisboch

Makes for very sanitary


So does Rain-X. Or, on motorcycle windscreens, Lemon Pledge in the spray
bottle.

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On Mon, 29 Oct 2007 13:27:20 -0400, "Eisboch" wrote:


"Eisboch" wrote in message
m...

I always got a kick out of people who wear glasses and pay big bucks for a
"scratch resistant" coating on plastic lenses. The coating is actually
called a hydrophobic coating and does absolutely nothing to make the lens
surface "harder". All it does is adds a bit of lubricity to the surface
so dirt or dust will tend to slide off rather than scratch the plastic
surface.

Wiping them with mineral oil will do the same thing.

Eisboch


Another thing that always cracked me up ....

Many people pay 50 bucks or more extra for an "anti-reflective" coating.
There's nothing wrong with that .... the anti-reflective thin film coating,
if properly done, works just fine.

What is goofy about it though is that it isn't a true, flat antireflective
coating. The thin film design includes a slightly reflective "bump" in the
green light spectrum, and is called "neutral green" in the ophthalmic
eyeglass coating industry. It's only purpose is to assure the customer
that indeed, his/her glasses got the special, 50 dollar treatment. A good
anti-reflection coating would not have the green tint.

I have a 6-inch diameter flat glass that was masked in all but the center,
3-inch diameter section. A very good anti-reflection coating was applied to
the unmasked section. If you look at it, it appears to be an 6-inch glass
plate with a 3-inch hole in the center.

Eisboch


You know too much stuff.

What you said wouldn't help you clean a croaker any faster than I.

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On Mon, 29 Oct 2007 13:15:30 -0400, "Reginald P. Smithers III"
wrote:

Eisboch wrote:
"Don White" wrote in message
...
"Eisboch" wrote in message
...
I always got a kick out of people who wear glasses and pay big bucks for
a "scratch resistant" coating on plastic lenses. The coating is actually
called a hydrophobic coating and does absolutely nothing to make the lens
surface "harder". All it does is adds a bit of lubricity to the surface
so dirt or dust will tend to slide off rather than scratch the plastic
surface.

Wiping them with mineral oil will do the same thing.

Eisboch

That sounds like me.
Would that mineral oil affect the UV coatings?



No. Wipe it on gently and then off gently.

If you paid for a "scratch resistant" coating, you were probably also given
a small bottle of "refresher" or something called similarly. Guess what's
in the little bottle?

Eisboch



(As I raise my hand) ME ME ME , Eisboch call on me.

Is that the same stuff my mother made me drink when I was a kid?

Best cleaner for river slime
 

On Mon, 29 Oct 2007 10:46:54 -0400, "Reginald P. Smithers III"
wrote:

They say it is the most sophisticated system of synthetic polymeric
system available today. Great marketing, but doesn't really say
anything, I think most of today's polishes are synthetic polymers.

I sent them a request for the MSDS to see what it really is.

There is a reason why I asked if it contains silicone, and many
"miracle" finishing products do. It is almost impossible to repaint a
surface that has been coated with silicone which is a problem for
those with awlgrip on their boats and might need a touch up at some
point.

Best cleaner for river slime
 

On Mon, 29 Oct 2007 11:43:16 -0400, " JimH" ask wrote:

Sno Bowl is the same stuff only cheaper.

I'm going to try that stuff on that Chris Craft hull I have that is
stained.

Cheap enough to experiment with.

15% hydrochloric acid by weight.
http://www.ahprokleen.com/products/msds/MSDS110.pdf


Yes, take a close look at the label for "On and Off".

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On Mon, 29 Oct 2007 13:38:57 -0400, "Reginald P. Smithers III"
wrote:

John H. wrote:
On Mon, 29 Oct 2007 15:28:56 GMT, Short Wave Sportfishing
wrote:

On Mon, 29 Oct 2007 09:18:05 -0400, "Reginald P. Smithers III"
wrote:

HK wrote:
Reginald P. Smithers III wrote:
BAR wrote:
sherwindu wrote:
My experience with waxes are the easier they apply, the less
protection. I only use
waxes with Carbona. It isn't easy to apply, but it lasts a whole
season.
Is that Carnuba? If it is then that put that in some cheap chocolates
too.
Does it also protect your digestive tract?

Do you remember that long thread we had a number of years ago, about
what was the best wax for your car. As with so many NG threads it
went on for months. I wish I could remember who made the post about
Zaino and "sold" me on trying it. I owe them a beer and dinner.



I'm not sure, but I think I was the first one or maybe the second who
mentioned the virtues of Zaino.
Well if you are I owe you a beer and dinner.
I'd pay to be there for that.

If you'll buy my dinner, I'll come too!

I have a great idea, why don't we go for a dinner cruise around the
Baltimore Harbor. If Harry will bring his big boat, I will have it
catered.

I'll buy the gas! (Or is it diesel?)

Best cleaner for river slime
 

Wayne.B wrote:
On Mon, 29 Oct 2007 10:46:54 -0400, "Reginald P. Smithers III"
wrote:

They say it is the most sophisticated system of synthetic polymeric
system available today. Great marketing, but doesn't really say
anything, I think most of today's polishes are synthetic polymers.

I sent them a request for the MSDS to see what it really is.

There is a reason why I asked if it contains silicone, and many
"miracle" finishing products do. It is almost impossible to repaint a
surface that has been coated with silicone which is a problem for
those with awlgrip on their boats and might need a touch up at some
point.

I had both of my car's paint touched up due to minor fender benders. I
don't think it was any problem with the paint, but before I put any of
it on your boat, i would definitely insist on reading the MSDS. I sent
Sol email, but haven't heard anything. I think he may want to keep his
secret blend a secret. I told him my marina needed to see the MSDS
before I could use it in the boat yard.

Best cleaner for river slime
 

Wayne.B wrote:
On Mon, 29 Oct 2007 11:43:16 -0400, " JimH" ask wrote:

Sno Bowl is the same stuff only cheaper.
I'm going to try that stuff on that Chris Craft hull I have that is
stained.

Cheap enough to experiment with.
15% hydrochloric acid by weight.
http://www.ahprokleen.com/products/msds/MSDS110.pdf


Yes, take a close look at the label for "On and Off".

JimH prefers using abrasive powders.

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John H. wrote:
On Mon, 29 Oct 2007 14:11:58 -0400, "Reginald P. Smithers III"
wrote:

John H. wrote:
On Mon, 29 Oct 2007 13:15:30 -0400, "Reginald P. Smithers III"
wrote:

Eisboch wrote:
"Don White" wrote in message
...
"Eisboch" wrote in message
...
I always got a kick out of people who wear glasses and pay big bucks for
a "scratch resistant" coating on plastic lenses. The coating is actually
called a hydrophobic coating and does absolutely nothing to make the lens
surface "harder". All it does is adds a bit of lubricity to the surface
so dirt or dust will tend to slide off rather than scratch the plastic
surface.

Wiping them with mineral oil will do the same thing.

Eisboch
That sounds like me.
Would that mineral oil affect the UV coatings?


No. Wipe it on gently and then off gently.

If you paid for a "scratch resistant" coating, you were probably also given
a small bottle of "refresher" or something called similarly. Guess what's
in the little bottle?

Eisboch


(As I raise my hand) ME ME ME , Eisboch call on me.
Is that the same stuff my mother made me drink when I was a kid?
He didn't call you on yet. ;)

****.

JohnH,
I hate to interupt this discussion of laxatives, but did you ever take
that photo class Nikon was offering? I took the D200 class Nikonian
Academy http://www.greaterphoto.com/ gave and it was a great course.

Best Wax for boats and cars.
 

On Mon, 29 Oct 2007 12:31:47 -0400, "Eisboch" wrote:


"HK" wrote in message
...
Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
On Mon, 29 Oct 2007 09:41:03 -0400, "Eisboch" wrote:

There is a school of thought that suggests that "beading" of water on a
painted surface will cause paint damage unless you wash and wax very
regularly. The beads of water act like miniature magnifying glasses,
focusing and intensifying the sun's energy, burning through the wax and
paint and permanently burning any dust or dirt into the surface. The
wax is sacrificial and does not last very long.

File this under learn something new everyday.

I just read Wayne's post about sheeting water on his racer and your
post on optics.

Here's my question - what makes the water bead? Is it that it clings
to the surface, or because it can't cling to the surface?

Hydrophobic interaction.

Yup. There is quite a science associated with this. We built high vacuum
processing systems that ionized gas (plasma) and bombarded the internal
walls of bottles -- plastic and glass -- with energetic ions. The process
super cleaned the surface and water would sheet, rather than bead.

Some well know beer companies use this technology.

Cool.

Thanks.

Best Wax for boats and cars.
 

wrote:

On Mon, 29 Oct 2007 12:45:18 -0400, "Eisboch" wrote:

Wiping them with mineral oil will do the same thing.
WD40? Never thought of that.


WD40 is mostly dry cleaning solvent. If memory serves less than 20% of
it is mineral oil. But go ahead, wipe your glasses with it.

Best Wax for boats and cars.
 

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On Mon, 29 Oct 2007 14:11:58 -0400, "Reginald P. Smithers III"
wrote:

John H. wrote:
On Mon, 29 Oct 2007 13:15:30 -0400, "Reginald P. Smithers III"
wrote:

Eisboch wrote:
"Don White" wrote in message
...
"Eisboch" wrote in message
...
I always got a kick out of people who wear glasses and pay big bucks for
a "scratch resistant" coating on plastic lenses. The coating is actually
called a hydrophobic coating and does absolutely nothing to make the lens
surface "harder". All it does is adds a bit of lubricity to the surface
so dirt or dust will tend to slide off rather than scratch the plastic
surface.

Wiping them with mineral oil will do the same thing.

Eisboch
That sounds like me.
Would that mineral oil affect the UV coatings?


No. Wipe it on gently and then off gently.

If you paid for a "scratch resistant" coating, you were probably also given
a small bottle of "refresher" or something called similarly. Guess what's
in the little bottle?

Eisboch


(As I raise my hand) ME ME ME , Eisboch call on me.

Is that the same stuff my mother made me drink when I was a kid?

He didn't call you on yet. ;)

****.