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GM introducing hybrid pickups,, 6000 lb tow capacity
You will be able to buy a half ton pickup from GM, rated for 6000 lb
towing capacity, in the 2008 model year. Fuel economy is reputed to be about 25% better than gasoline-powered trucks with equal towing capacity. |
GM introducing hybrid pickups,, 6000 lb tow capacity
"Chuck Gould" Fuel economy is reputed to be about 25% better than gasoline-powered trucks with equal towing capacity. mmm hmmmm. db |
GM introducing hybrid pickups,, 6000 lb tow capacity
"Chuck Gould" wrote
You will be able to buy a half ton pickup from GM, rated for 6000 lb towing capacity, in the 2008 model year. Whoah. I'm getting a huge raise? Or hitting the lottery? |
GM introducing hybrid pickups,, 6000 lb tow capacity
On Oct 22, 1:41 pm, Chuck Gould wrote:
You will be able to buy a half ton pickup from GM, rated for 6000 lb towing capacity, in the 2008 model year. Fuel economy is reputed to be about 25% better than gasoline-powered trucks with equal towing capacity. The frames are made near me, and they're JUNK.Paper thin pieces of crap.The door panels on them are soooo thin, if you LEAN on them too hard, they dent. And lets not forget, the Auto Makers CAN get better mileage, the GAS COMPANIES dont want them to. They're in bed together. From one who handles them all the time, they're junk. |
GM introducing hybrid pickups,, 6000 lb tow capacity
On Oct 22, 1:43?pm, Corsair23 wrote:
On Oct 22, 1:41 pm, Chuck Gould wrote: You will be able to buy a half ton pickup from GM, rated for 6000 lb towing capacity, in the 2008 model year. Fuel economy is reputed to be about 25% better than gasoline-powered trucks with equal towing capacity. The frames are made near me, and they're JUNK.Paper thin pieces of crap.The door panels on them are soooo thin, if you LEAN on them too hard, they dent. And lets not forget, the Auto Makers CAN get better mileage, the GAS COMPANIES dont want them to. They're in bed together. From one who handles them all the time, they're junk.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Are you claiming that the hybrid Silverados use different frames and sheet metal than the gas-only models? |
GM introducing hybrid pickups,, 6000 lb tow capacity
On Oct 22, 11:31?am, "Ernest Scribbler"
wrote: "Chuck Gould" wrote You will be able to buy a half ton pickup from GM, rated for 6000 lb towing capacity, in the 2008 model year. Whoah. I'm getting a huge raise? Or hitting the lottery? You as in the group sense, not the specific. Prices reputedly "start" at under $40,000, and if I'm not mistaken that's not an exceptionally high price for a new full size truck. |
GM introducing hybrid pickups,, 6000 lb tow capacity
"Chuck Gould" wrote
You as in the group sense, not the specific. Prices reputedly "start" at under $40,000, and if I'm not mistaken that's not an exceptionally high price for a new full size truck. Looks like around 2023 I'm in... |
GM introducing hybrid pickups,, 6000 lb tow capacity
On Oct 22, 4:55 pm, Chuck Gould wrote:
On Oct 22, 1:43?pm, Corsair23 wrote: On Oct 22, 1:41 pm, Chuck Gould wrote: You will be able to buy a half ton pickup from GM, rated for 6000 lb towing capacity, in the 2008 model year. Fuel economy is reputed to be about 25% better than gasoline-powered trucks with equal towing capacity. The frames are made near me, and they're JUNK.Paper thin pieces of crap.The door panels on them are soooo thin, if you LEAN on them too hard, they dent. And lets not forget, the Auto Makers CAN get better mileage, the GAS COMPANIES dont want them to. They're in bed together. From one who handles them all the time, they're junk.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Are you claiming that the hybrid Silverados use different frames and sheet metal than the gas-only models?- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - A Silverado is a Silverado...both the same....both use the same parts...Frame and all.Except powerplant. |
GM introducing hybrid pickups,, 6000 lb tow capacity
On Oct 22, 11:29?am, "D-unit" cof42_AT_embarqmail.com wrote:
"Chuck Gould" Fuel economy is reputed to be about 25% better than gasoline-powered trucks with equal towing capacity. mmm hmmmm. db My personal experience with the 400H indicates that hybrid technology can indeed improve gas mileage. Our 400H dramatically outperforms the standard V6 equivalent (especially in acceleration), and with the trip computer on for a variety of in town and highway driving last weekend we realized a genuine 28.2 mpg. EPA fantasies aside, I think we would have been lucky to get much more than about 20-22 mpg with the slower, orthodox V6. I'm not sure that the ECVT transmission is heavy duty enough for extremely large loads, but for small trailer boats under 5-6,000 pounds the hybrid might be a workable alternative. It would at least bear looking into. |
GM introducing hybrid pickups,, 6000 lb tow capacity
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GM introducing hybrid pickups,, 6000 lb tow capacity
Eisboch wrote:
" JimH" ask wrote in message ... Who knows how it pans out for the person doing a lot of towing. All you need is *all* wheel drive ....... http://www.eisboch.com/kingman3 Eisboch Uh...who painted the bottom on that boat? |
GM introducing hybrid pickups,, 6000 lb tow capacity
"HK" wrote in message . .. Eisboch wrote: " JimH" ask wrote in message ... Who knows how it pans out for the person doing a lot of towing. All you need is *all* wheel drive ....... http://www.eisboch.com/kingman3 Eisboch Uh...who painted the bottom on that boat? Weird, huh? I know the guy that owns this boat. All I can say is that the bottom paint fits his personality. He's really into *image* .... both himself and his possessions. Probably doesn't want to be seen on a plane with that ugly bottom paint showing. Eisboch |
GM introducing hybrid pickups,, 6000 lb tow capacity
On Oct 22, 2:30?pm, " JimH" ask wrote:
"Chuck Gould" wrote in message ups.com... On Oct 22, 11:29?am, "D-unit" cof42_AT_embarqmail.com wrote: "Chuck Gould" Fuel economy is reputed to be about 25% better than gasoline-powered trucks with equal towing capacity. mmm hmmmm. db My personal experience with the 400H indicates that hybrid technology can indeed improve gas mileage. Our 400H dramatically outperforms the standard V6 equivalent (especially in acceleration), and with the trip computer on for a variety of in town and highway driving last weekend we realized a genuine 28.2 mpg. EPA fantasies aside, I think we would have been lucky to get much more than about 20-22 mpg with the slower, orthodox V6. I'm not sure that the ECVT transmission is heavy duty enough for extremely large loads, but for small trailer boats under 5-6,000 pounds the hybrid might be a workable alternative. It would at least bear looking into. Everything I have read says the average driver will never recoup the extra money spend on a hybrid in gasoline savings. It looks like your Lexus hybrid cost you about $5,000 more than the comparable non hybrid Lexus. That works out to 1,667 gallons of gas @ $3/gallon just to break even. Who knows how it pans out for the person doing a lot of towing.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Some decisions aren't made for entirely financial reasons. We chose the car we did because performance was much improved over the standard V6 model *and* it's nice once in a while to make a decision that shows a little bit of mercy on the environment. If we wanted to make a totally smart financial decision, we would have purchased a brand new, tiny, Sally Rand Toyonda, kept it for 15 years, and driven it 200-300k miles As far as saving 1667 gallons of gas goes- it's actually a little less because gas out here is running about $3.30 a gallon and (like everywhere else) seems to be headed up again. From a performance perspective, we would have to compare fuel consumption with a V8, not the V6, and saving 1667 gallons isn't out of the question. I think it's interesting that GM is introducing similar technology on vehicles suitable for light duty towing. |
GM introducing hybrid pickups,, 6000 lb tow capacity
"Chuck Gould" wrote in message oups.com... Some decisions aren't made for entirely financial reasons. We chose the car we did because performance was much improved over the standard V6 model *and* it's nice once in a while to make a decision that shows a little bit of mercy on the environment. If we wanted to make a totally smart financial decision, we would have purchased a brand new, tiny, Sally Rand Toyonda, kept it for 15 years, and driven it 200-300k miles I think it's interesting that GM is introducing similar technology on vehicles suitable for light duty towing. Electric motors by virtue of their design have tremendous torque ... much more than a gas or diesel engine of the same horsepower. Diesel/Electric is the answer, my friend! Eisboch |
GM introducing hybrid pickups,, 6000 lb tow capacity
Chuck Gould wrote:
On Oct 22, 11:31?am, "Ernest Scribbler" wrote: "Chuck Gould" wrote You will be able to buy a half ton pickup from GM, rated for 6000 lb towing capacity, in the 2008 model year. Whoah. I'm getting a huge raise? Or hitting the lottery? You as in the group sense, not the specific. Prices reputedly "start" at under $40,000, and if I'm not mistaken that's not an exceptionally high price for a new full size truck. Chuck do the math. Compare the cost of a hybrid vs. a non-hybrid over 150,000 miles. Oh, and don't forget about replacing the batteries at 100,000 miles. |
GM introducing hybrid pickups,, 6000 lb tow capacity
"BAR" wrote in message ... Chuck do the math. Compare the cost of a hybrid vs. a non-hybrid over 150,000 miles. Oh, and don't forget about replacing the batteries at 100,000 miles. Good grief..... It's not about cost. It's about being green. Eisboch |
GM introducing hybrid pickups,, 6000 lb tow capacity
Chuck Gould wrote:
On Oct 22, 2:30?pm, " JimH" ask wrote: "Chuck Gould" wrote in message ups.com... On Oct 22, 11:29?am, "D-unit" cof42_AT_embarqmail.com wrote: "Chuck Gould" Fuel economy is reputed to be about 25% better than gasoline-powered trucks with equal towing capacity. mmm hmmmm. db My personal experience with the 400H indicates that hybrid technology can indeed improve gas mileage. Our 400H dramatically outperforms the standard V6 equivalent (especially in acceleration), and with the trip computer on for a variety of in town and highway driving last weekend we realized a genuine 28.2 mpg. EPA fantasies aside, I think we would have been lucky to get much more than about 20-22 mpg with the slower, orthodox V6. I'm not sure that the ECVT transmission is heavy duty enough for extremely large loads, but for small trailer boats under 5-6,000 pounds the hybrid might be a workable alternative. It would at least bear looking into. Everything I have read says the average driver will never recoup the extra money spend on a hybrid in gasoline savings. It looks like your Lexus hybrid cost you about $5,000 more than the comparable non hybrid Lexus. That works out to 1,667 gallons of gas @ $3/gallon just to break even. Who knows how it pans out for the person doing a lot of towing.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Some decisions aren't made for entirely financial reasons. We chose the car we did because performance was much improved over the standard V6 model *and* it's nice once in a while to make a decision that shows a little bit of mercy on the environment. If we wanted to make a How much of the environment was saved in producing the batteries? totally smart financial decision, we would have purchased a brand new, tiny, Sally Rand Toyonda, kept it for 15 years, and driven it 200-300k miles Those low end toyhonsuns are just getting broken in at 200,000 miles. As far as saving 1667 gallons of gas goes- it's actually a little less because gas out here is running about $3.30 a gallon and (like everywhere else) seems to be headed up again. From a performance perspective, we would have to compare fuel consumption with a V8, not the V6, and saving 1667 gallons isn't out of the question. How much does the battery replacement cost, which is reccomended at 100,000 miles? Kinda puts a damper in the resale value. I think it's interesting that GM is introducing similar technology on vehicles suitable for light duty towing. What is the benefit if you do full time light duty towing? |
GM introducing hybrid pickups,, 6000 lb tow capacity
On Oct 22, 3:33?pm, "Eisboch" wrote:
"Chuck Gould" wrote in message oups.com... Some decisions aren't made for entirely financial reasons. We chose the car we did because performance was much improved over the standard V6 model *and* it's nice once in a while to make a decision that shows a little bit of mercy on the environment. If we wanted to make a totally smart financial decision, we would have purchased a brand new, tiny, Sally Rand Toyonda, kept it for 15 years, and driven it 200-300k miles I think it's interesting that GM is introducing similar technology on vehicles suitable for light duty towing. Electric motors by virtue of their design have tremendous torque ... much more than a gas or diesel engine of the same horsepower. Diesel/Electric is the answer, my friend! Eisboch The exceptional torque of those electric motors, in conjunction with the normal "oomph" of the V6, is what produces the excellent acceleration in my wife's hybrid. People look at me like I'm crazy, and pretty frequenty- but no more often than when I compare the acceleration of the hybrid to that of a medium size V8. You have to drive one to appreciate the difference. |
GM introducing hybrid pickups,, 6000 lb tow capacity
On Oct 22, 4:56?pm, BAR wrote:
Chuck Gould wrote: On Oct 22, 2:30?pm, " JimH" ask wrote: "Chuck Gould" wrote in message roups.com... On Oct 22, 11:29?am, "D-unit" cof42_AT_embarqmail.com wrote: "Chuck Gould" Fuel economy is reputed to be about 25% better than gasoline-powered trucks with equal towing capacity. mmm hmmmm. db My personal experience with the 400H indicates that hybrid technology can indeed improve gas mileage. Our 400H dramatically outperforms the standard V6 equivalent (especially in acceleration), and with the trip computer on for a variety of in town and highway driving last weekend we realized a genuine 28.2 mpg. EPA fantasies aside, I think we would have been lucky to get much more than about 20-22 mpg with the slower, orthodox V6. I'm not sure that the ECVT transmission is heavy duty enough for extremely large loads, but for small trailer boats under 5-6,000 pounds the hybrid might be a workable alternative. It would at least bear looking into. Everything I have read says the average driver will never recoup the extra money spend on a hybrid in gasoline savings. It looks like your Lexus hybrid cost you about $5,000 more than the comparable non hybrid Lexus. That works out to 1,667 gallons of gas @ $3/gallon just to break even. Who knows how it pans out for the person doing a lot of towing.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Some decisions aren't made for entirely financial reasons. We chose the car we did because performance was much improved over the standard V6 model *and* it's nice once in a while to make a decision that shows a little bit of mercy on the environment. If we wanted to make a How much of the environment was saved in producing the batteries? Most batteries are highly recyclable. Can't say for sure if that's true about batteries used in hybrid vehicles, but if it isn't at present it may be soon enough. I can say that the majority of battery companies use recycled components rather than "virgin" materials in their cells. The recycling technology won't appear if there is no market demand. totally smart financial decision, we would have purchased a brand new, tiny, Sally Rand Toyonda, kept it for 15 years, and driven it 200-300k miles Those low end toyhonsuns are just getting broken in at 200,000 miles. As far as saving 1667 gallons of gas goes- it's actually a little less because gas out here is running about $3.30 a gallon and (like everywhere else) seems to be headed up again. From a performance perspective, we would have to compare fuel consumption with a V8, not the V6, and saving 1667 gallons isn't out of the question. How much does the battery replacement cost, which is reccomended at 100,000 miles? Kinda puts a damper in the resale value. When there are a number of hybrid vehicles requiring battery replacement, it would seem likely that some after market companies will appear and drive prices down. All new technologies start of pretty expensive, and then as r&d is amortized and more competitors emerge prices get lower and lower. Compare what $1000 buys today in a desktop computer to what $4000 bought just a half dozen years ago, for example. It would take my wife about 11 years to drive 100,000 miles. At that point, resale value isn't going to be much in any case. We'll probably trade out somewhere near the 3-year point. We put a chunk of cash down on a one-payment lease that comes due about then....but we make no monthly payments in the interim and because we have the option to turn the vehicle in to clear the residual balance we know that our maximum exposure to depreciation (normally the biggest cost associated with buying a new vehicle) is reflected in our initial payment -and that averages out to a very reasonable depreciation per month. Unike most people getting into a new car, I know down to the dollar just exactly what the difference in the original cost and my "resale" (residual/ surrender) value will be if I decide to trade on X date in the future. In the unlikely event the car is worth more than the residual balance we can sell it and pocket the difference- and if it proves to be worth less than the residual balance that's a business risk that the leasing company agreed to accept and not our loss. I think it's interesting that GM is introducing similar technology on vehicles suitable for light duty towing. What is the benefit if you do full time light duty towing?- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - |
GM introducing hybrid pickups,, 6000 lb tow capacity
On Oct 22, 4:49?pm, BAR wrote:
Chuck Gould wrote: On Oct 22, 11:31?am, "Ernest Scribbler" wrote: "Chuck Gould" wrote You will be able to buy a half ton pickup from GM, rated for 6000 lb towing capacity, in the 2008 model year. Whoah. I'm getting a huge raise? Or hitting the lottery? You as in the group sense, not the specific. Prices reputedly "start" at under $40,000, and if I'm not mistaken that's not an exceptionally high price for a new full size truck. Chuck do the math. Compare the cost of a hybrid vs. a non-hybrid over 150,000 miles. Oh, and don't forget about replacing the batteries at 100,000 miles. Anybody not driving the most basic Japanese car available for 15-20 years has failed to "do the math". For most of us, the cars we drive are chosen as much because we like them as they are because they were the cheapest transportation we could find. |
GM introducing hybrid pickups,, 6000 lb tow capacity
On Mon, 22 Oct 2007 17:39:31 -0400, HK wrote:
Eisboch wrote: " JimH" ask wrote in message ... Who knows how it pans out for the person doing a lot of towing. All you need is *all* wheel drive ....... http://www.eisboch.com/kingman3 Uh...who painted the bottom on that boat? I'll bet money that he painted the bow a different color of bottom paint. Or used that fancy new epoxy stuff. Thinking about doing the same with the Ranger. |
GM introducing hybrid pickups,, 6000 lb tow capacity
On Mon, 22 Oct 2007 17:46:19 -0400, "Eisboch"
wrote: "HK" wrote in message ... Eisboch wrote: " JimH" ask wrote in message ... Who knows how it pans out for the person doing a lot of towing. All you need is *all* wheel drive ....... http://www.eisboch.com/kingman3 Eisboch Uh...who painted the bottom on that boat? Weird, huh? I know the guy that owns this boat. All I can say is that the bottom paint fits his personality. He's really into *image* .... both himself and his possessions. Probably doesn't want to be seen on a plane with that ugly bottom paint showing. Did he paint the bow differently? |
GM introducing hybrid pickups,, 6000 lb tow capacity
On Mon, 22 Oct 2007 17:57:18 -0400, "Eisboch"
wrote: " JimH" ask wrote in message ... "HK" wrote in message . .. Eisboch wrote: " JimH" ask wrote in message ... Who knows how it pans out for the person doing a lot of towing. All you need is *all* wheel drive ....... http://www.eisboch.com/kingman3 Eisboch Uh...who painted the bottom on that boat? I was wondering the same thing. The boat must sit very stern heavy. No. I jumped ahead of myself when I answered Harry. The front section and upper side sections are painted with a white bottom paint. The red section is the less expensive, red paint. Like I said, this guy is into image. Man, I'm good. |
GM introducing hybrid pickups,, 6000 lb tow capacity
On Mon, 22 Oct 2007 18:33:59 -0400, "Eisboch"
wrote: "Chuck Gould" wrote in message roups.com... Some decisions aren't made for entirely financial reasons. We chose the car we did because performance was much improved over the standard V6 model *and* it's nice once in a while to make a decision that shows a little bit of mercy on the environment. If we wanted to make a totally smart financial decision, we would have purchased a brand new, tiny, Sally Rand Toyonda, kept it for 15 years, and driven it 200-300k miles I think it's interesting that GM is introducing similar technology on vehicles suitable for light duty towing. Electric motors by virtue of their design have tremendous torque ... much more than a gas or diesel engine of the same horsepower. Diesel/Electric is the answer, my friend! How many times have a said that over the years? A bizillion time - with a B. |
GM introducing hybrid pickups,, 6000 lb tow capacity
"Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message ... On Mon, 22 Oct 2007 17:39:31 -0400, HK wrote: Eisboch wrote: " JimH" ask wrote in message ... Who knows how it pans out for the person doing a lot of towing. All you need is *all* wheel drive ....... http://www.eisboch.com/kingman3 Uh...who painted the bottom on that boat? I'll bet money that he painted the bow a different color of bottom paint. Or used that fancy new epoxy stuff. Thinking about doing the same with the Ranger. Image, huh? Eisboch |
GM introducing hybrid pickups,, 6000 lb tow capacity
On Mon, 22 Oct 2007 18:38:12 -0400, " JimH" ask wrote:
Until the cost of hybrids go down I doubt most folks will not be willing to pay the premium for the "I saved the World" badge. That kind of thinking has gotten the Detroit auto industry into the mess they are in now. I just wish that Toyota would start making boat engines in a big way. |
GM introducing hybrid pickups,, 6000 lb tow capacity
On Mon, 22 Oct 2007 17:35:45 -0700, Chuck Gould
wrote: Anybody not driving the most basic Japanese car available for 15-20 years has failed to "do the math". I'm not sure I agree with that. We are now on a 20+ year string of owning Japanese cars. We usually buy top of the line, fully loaded models that offer just about everything you could want in comfort, style, features, etc. The big pay off is not fuel efficiency, but durability and reliability. These cars just keep running, do not nickel and dime you to death with petty maintenance issues, and do not leave you stranded in the middle of a road trip just because they have over 80K miles on them. That's worth a lot to me. |
GM introducing hybrid pickups,, 6000 lb tow capacity
On Mon, 22 Oct 2007 20:43:20 -0400, "Eisboch"
wrote: "Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message .. . On Mon, 22 Oct 2007 17:39:31 -0400, HK wrote: Eisboch wrote: " JimH" ask wrote in message ... Who knows how it pans out for the person doing a lot of towing. All you need is *all* wheel drive ....... http://www.eisboch.com/kingman3 Uh...who painted the bottom on that boat? I'll bet money that he painted the bow a different color of bottom paint. Or used that fancy new epoxy stuff. Thinking about doing the same with the Ranger. Image, huh? Who me? You've met me - you think I have an image? :) |
GM introducing hybrid pickups,, 6000 lb tow capacity
Eisboch wrote:
"BAR" wrote in message ... Chuck do the math. Compare the cost of a hybrid vs. a non-hybrid over 150,000 miles. Oh, and don't forget about replacing the batteries at 100,000 miles. Good grief..... It's not about cost. It's about being green. When I die they can plant my body in the ground and fertilize the closest tree. That's when this world will recoup my carbon footprint. As long as I am living I will be keeping the green in my pockets. |
GM introducing hybrid pickups,, 6000 lb tow capacity
At rated tow capacity, I would expect the 'Hybrid' angle to nil out. It
would not take long for the batteries to pull down, hauling that big POS tank, + 6K of boat/trailer. So, it will be pulling on the engine alone in no time. The whole 'Hybrid' thing with a pickup is just jumping on the Hybrid bandwagon, while in actuality offering Nothing to be gained by using it. Typical Domestic Car Maker consumer fraud. As Corsair23 says, total junk anyway, but, it's Domestic, so that's a given. GM bombed out with the 'Super Size Me' SUV market, just like the other big 3 members, foisting 8-10 MPG tanks off on the stupid consumer, while energy costs are skyrocketing, with no end in site. Now, they want to sucker consumers into believing that a "Hybrid" 1/2 ton pickup towing 6K is a viable vehicle. BULL****. JR Chuck Gould wrote: You will be able to buy a half ton pickup from GM, rated for 6000 lb towing capacity, in the 2008 model year. Fuel economy is reputed to be about 25% better than gasoline-powered trucks with equal towing capacity. -- -------------------------------------------------------------- Home Page: http://www.seanet.com/~jasonrnorth |
GM introducing hybrid pickups,, 6000 lb tow capacity
On Oct 22, 6:08?pm, Wayne.B wrote:
On Mon, 22 Oct 2007 17:35:45 -0700, Chuck Gould wrote: Anybody not driving the most basic Japanese car available for 15-20 years has failed to "do the math". I'm not sure I agree with that. We are now on a 20+ year string of owning Japanese cars. We usually buy top of the line, fully loaded models that offer just about everything you could want in comfort, style, features, etc. The big pay off is not fuel efficiency, but durability and reliability. These cars just keep running, do not nickel and dime you to death with petty maintenance issues, and do not leave you stranded in the middle of a road trip just because they have over 80K miles on them. That's worth a lot to me. If it were just about "math", you'd buy the cheapest version of the same Japanese makes you like and enjoy about the same length of service with fewer "gizmos" crapping out during the life of the car......that was my point. |
GM introducing hybrid pickups,, 6000 lb tow capacity
On Mon, 22 Oct 2007 19:40:24 -0700, Chuck Gould
wrote: If it were just about "math", you'd buy the cheapest version of the same Japanese makes you like and enjoy about the same length of service with fewer "gizmos" crapping out during the life of the car......that was my point. Yes, if it was just about transportation, you are right. One of the interesting things we've found is that the gizmos are more reliable than Detroit's also. |
GM introducing hybrid pickups,, 6000 lb tow capacity
On Oct 22, 6:50?pm, JR North wrote:
At rated tow capacity, I would expect the 'Hybrid' angle to nil out. It would not take long for the batteries to pull down, hauling that big POS tank, + 6K of boat/trailer. So, it will be pulling on the engine alone in no time. The whole 'Hybrid' thing with a pickup is just jumping on the Hybrid bandwagon, while in actuality offering Nothing to be gained by using it. Typical Domestic Car Maker consumer fraud. As Corsair23 says, total junk anyway, but, it's Domestic, so that's a given. GM bombed out with the 'Super Size Me' SUV market, just like the other big 3 members, foisting 8-10 MPG tanks off on the stupid consumer, while energy costs are skyrocketing, with no end in site. Now, they want to sucker consumers into believing that a "Hybrid" 1/2 ton pickup towing 6K is a viable vehicle. BULL****. JR Chuck Gould wrote: You will be able to buy a half ton pickup from GM, rated for 6000 lb towing capacity, in the 2008 model year. Fuel economy is reputed to be about 25% better than gasoline-powered trucks with equal towing capacity. -- -------------------------------------------------------------- Home Page:http://www.seanet.com/~jasonrnorth If GM's hybrid works the way that those built by Toyota do, you are entirely right that the electic motors won't add much at all to towing. Not that they will "run down", they will never really be primarily engaged with that much load on the vehicle. The engine will be runing constantly. Where the hybrid pickup truck has some promise, IMO, is when it is running empty or without a trailer. How many people settle for a 10-12 mpg pickup truck simply because they need to tow a boat or haul a load of construction materials a dozen times every summer? Sure, the truck may get only 6-8 mpg while towing, hybrid or not. But if during the 90- some percent of the time most people operate without a trailer and are running empty the truck can realize 16 mpg instead of 12 that represents a significant savings. Multiply that by 20 or 30 million vehicles and pretty soon we can tell the Arabian Oil Sheiks to shove it. :-) |
GM introducing hybrid pickups,, 6000 lb tow capacity
"Chuck Gould" wrote
If it were just about "math", you'd buy the cheapest version of the same Japanese makes you like and enjoy about the same length of service with fewer "gizmos" crapping out during the life of the car......that was my point. It appears I have mad skilz in the math department: http://home.comcast.net/~blizzard3/b...ages/truck.jpg (and all along I thought I was just a cheap *******) |
GM introducing hybrid pickups,, 6000 lb tow capacity
On Oct 22, 4:43 pm, Corsair23 wrote:
On Oct 22, 1:41 pm, Chuck Gould wrote: You will be able to buy a half ton pickup from GM, rated for 6000 lb towing capacity, in the 2008 model year. Fuel economy is reputed to be about 25% better than gasoline-powered trucks with equal towing capacity. The frames are made near me, and they're JUNK.Paper thin pieces of crap.The door panels on them are soooo thin, if you LEAN on them too hard, they dent. And lets not forget, the Auto Makers CAN get better mileage, the GAS COMPANIES dont want them to. They're in bed together. From one who handles them all the time, they're junk.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - I wouldn't own a GM anything! |
GM introducing hybrid pickups,, 6000 lb tow capacity
On Oct 22, 5:30 pm, " JimH" ask wrote:
"Chuck Gould" wrote in message ups.com... On Oct 22, 11:29?am, "D-unit" cof42_AT_embarqmail.com wrote: "Chuck Gould" Fuel economy is reputed to be about 25% better than gasoline-powered trucks with equal towing capacity. mmm hmmmm. db My personal experience with the 400H indicates that hybrid technology can indeed improve gas mileage. Our 400H dramatically outperforms the standard V6 equivalent (especially in acceleration), and with the trip computer on for a variety of in town and highway driving last weekend we realized a genuine 28.2 mpg. EPA fantasies aside, I think we would have been lucky to get much more than about 20-22 mpg with the slower, orthodox V6. I'm not sure that the ECVT transmission is heavy duty enough for extremely large loads, but for small trailer boats under 5-6,000 pounds the hybrid might be a workable alternative. It would at least bear looking into. Everything I have read says the average driver will never recoup the extra money spend on a hybrid in gasoline savings. It looks like your Lexus hybrid cost you about $5,000 more than the comparable non hybrid Lexus. That works out to 1,667 gallons of gas @ $3/gallon just to break even. Who knows how it pans out for the person doing a lot of towing.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - That's only 47k miles to break even. Most people these days with decent maintenence can expect to get 4 or five times that, making it a very good value. |
GM introducing hybrid pickups,, 6000 lb tow capacity
"Chuck Gould" wrote in message ups.com... On Oct 22, 11:29?am, "D-unit" cof42_AT_embarqmail.com wrote: "Chuck Gould" Fuel economy is reputed to be about 25% better than gasoline-powered trucks with equal towing capacity. mmm hmmmm. db My personal experience with the 400H indicates that hybrid technology can indeed improve gas mileage. Our 400H dramatically outperforms the standard V6 equivalent (especially in acceleration), and with the trip computer on for a variety of in town and highway driving last weekend we realized a genuine 28.2 mpg. EPA fantasies aside, I think we would have been lucky to get much more than about 20-22 mpg with the slower, orthodox V6. I'm not sure that the ECVT transmission is heavy duty enough for extremely large loads, but for small trailer boats under 5-6,000 pounds the hybrid might be a workable alternative. It would at least bear looking into. I like the technology and am excited to check out the vehicle but have heard *some* complain thier prius' not living up to the (mpg) hype. Other's are pushing the mpg envelope by altering their driving habits. YMMV. db |
GM introducing hybrid pickups,, 6000 lb tow capacity
On Oct 23, 6:39?am, "D-unit" cof42_AT_embarqmail.com wrote:
"Chuck Gould" wrote in oglegroups.com... On Oct 22, 11:29?am, "D-unit" cof42_AT_embarqmail.com wrote: "Chuck Gould" Fuel economy is reputed to be about 25% better than gasoline-powered trucks with equal towing capacity. mmm hmmmm. db My personal experience with the 400H indicates that hybrid technology can indeed improve gas mileage. Our 400H dramatically outperforms the standard V6 equivalent (especially in acceleration), and with the trip computer on for a variety of in town and highway driving last weekend we realized a genuine 28.2 mpg. EPA fantasies aside, I think we would have been lucky to get much more than about 20-22 mpg with the slower, orthodox V6. I'm not sure that the ECVT transmission is heavy duty enough for extremely large loads, but for small trailer boats under 5-6,000 pounds the hybrid might be a workable alternative. It would at least bear looking into. I like the technology and am excited to check out the vehicle but have heard *some* complain thier prius' not living up to the (mpg) hype. Other's are pushing the mpg envelope by altering their driving habits. YMMV. db- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Based on our experience with the 400H, I can attest that driving habits and style make an enormous difference in the mileage realized with a hybrid, just as they do with an orthodox gasoline car. My wife gets about 3 mpg less than I do, and it's primarily because her style reflects her "type A" personality. :-) |
GM introducing hybrid pickups,, 6000 lb tow capacity
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That's only 47k miles to break even. Most people these days with decent maintenence can expect to get 4 or five times that, making it a very good value. That's not the break even point, that's the point at which the hybrid has burned $5000 worth of gas. You've saved less than $2K at that point. The point where you save the full $5000 worth of $3/gallon gas by burning it at 28.2MPG instead of 20-22MPG comes somewhere in the 160-210,000 mile range, according to my mad math skilz. But as Chuck points out, it's not all about the math. |
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