Reginald P. Smithers III wrote:
HK wrote:
Eisboch wrote:
"HK" wrote in message
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Wayne.B wrote:
On Thu, 18 Oct 2007 22:41:41 -0400, HK wrote:

Have fun running your barge downhill to Florida. Try not to run
aground
too many times between the St. Mary's River and Daytona.
Real men and real boats run outside south of Beaufort, NC.

LTs should not try this at home.

Oh, you'll head in if the weather conditions are right. Bet on it.


Ribbing aside, you are correct, except only to find a safe harbor or
marina
until the weather improves.

The ICW is not a desirable option in a larger boat south of the
Carolinas,
until you get well south in Florida.

Eisboch



That's correct. It's especially interesting between Georgia and the
St. John's River, and from a few miles north of the St. Augustine
seaplane basin to the Lions' bridge. Not only is the ICW twisty, but
if you deviate a foot from the channel between the "stick" markers,
why, you might run aground.

Harry,
I thought you wondered why anyone would not use the ICW? You now seem
to agree with Wayne and Eisboch that he should run outside. See you can
learn a lot from someone who actually boats.



I'm not agreeing, d.f. It's an interesting run, and can be hazardous if
you are careless or don't know what you are doing. Ergo, you probably
should never run the ICW in that area. A waterless lake lanier probably
is appropriate for a non-boater like you.

The area in question is frequented by tugs and barges. They manage to
transit the ICW without serious issues.

The boaters who run into trouble typically are on large cruisers heading
for the sun.

HK wrote:
Reginald P. Smithers III wrote:
HK wrote:
Eisboch wrote:
"HK" wrote in message
. ..
Wayne.B wrote:
On Thu, 18 Oct 2007 22:41:41 -0400, HK
wrote:

Have fun running your barge downhill to Florida. Try not to run
aground
too many times between the St. Mary's River and Daytona.
Real men and real boats run outside south of Beaufort, NC.

LTs should not try this at home.

Oh, you'll head in if the weather conditions are right. Bet on it.


Ribbing aside, you are correct, except only to find a safe harbor or
marina
until the weather improves.

The ICW is not a desirable option in a larger boat south of the
Carolinas,
until you get well south in Florida.

Eisboch



That's correct. It's especially interesting between Georgia and the
St. John's River, and from a few miles north of the St. Augustine
seaplane basin to the Lions' bridge. Not only is the ICW twisty, but
if you deviate a foot from the channel between the "stick" markers,
why, you might run aground.

Harry,
I thought you wondered why anyone would not use the ICW? You now seem
to agree with Wayne and Eisboch that he should run outside. See you
can learn a lot from someone who actually boats.



I'm not agreeing, d.f. It's an interesting run, and can be hazardous if
you are careless or don't know what you are doing. Ergo, you probably
should never run the ICW in that area. A waterless lake lanier probably
is appropriate for a non-boater like you.

The area in question is frequented by tugs and barges. They manage to
transit the ICW without serious issues.

The boaters who run into trouble typically are on large cruisers heading
for the sun.

Harry,
Ok, so you now think Eisboch and Wayne are wrong with their assessment
that it is better to wait for good weather and make a run on the
outside? It really is hard to figure out what you are saying because
when you said "That's correct", I thought you were agreeing with Eisboch.

Since Wayne and Eisboch have both made the trip a number of times, I
would assume you have done it a zillion times on the outside and found
it to be the less desirable route every time.

"Reginald P. Smithers III" wrote in message
. ..
..

Since Wayne and Eisboch have both made the trip a number of times, I
would assume you have done it a zillion times on the outside and found
it to be the less desirable route every time.


Correction. Eisboch has done it twice. Barely qualifies as a newbie.

Eisboch

Eisboch wrote:
"Reginald P. Smithers III" wrote in message
. ..
.
Since Wayne and Eisboch have both made the trip a number of times, I
would assume you have done it a zillion times on the outside and found
it to be the less desirable route every time.


Correction. Eisboch has done it twice. Barely qualifies as a newbie.

Eisboch


Two does qualify as a number.

"HK" wrote in message
news

The area in question is frequented by tugs and barges. They manage to
transit the ICW without serious issues.

The boaters who run into trouble typically are on large cruisers heading
for the sun.


I have some really good videos of us passing "close to" some quarter-mile
long barges in the ICW. Interesting and tense, to say the least. If I
can figure out how to post some of them on my website I will try.

On the other hand, those tugs and barges tend to dredge their own channel
while making the transit unlike a smaller boat like the Navigator. Where
they can pass, I might run aground.

Eisboch

Eisboch wrote:
"HK" wrote in message
news
The area in question is frequented by tugs and barges. They manage to
transit the ICW without serious issues.

The boaters who run into trouble typically are on large cruisers heading
for the sun.


I have some really good videos of us passing "close to" some quarter-mile
long barges in the ICW. Interesting and tense, to say the least. If I
can figure out how to post some of them on my website I will try.

On the other hand, those tugs and barges tend to dredge their own channel
while making the transit unlike a smaller boat like the Navigator. Where
they can pass, I might run aground.

Eisboch



The barges are interesting, especially in some of the tight ICW turns...

I've made the "jump" from the Golden Isles to St. Augustine about a
dozen times, in the ditch and out in the ocean. Ran my 19-foot Sea Pro
up to St. Simons Island once on its bottom, mostly inside. Great fishing
along the ICW and in its creeks. St. Simons was a popular destination.
Nice beaches, good eats, still have a couple of tee-shirts leftover from
my last trip there.

HK wrote:
Eisboch wrote:
"HK" wrote in message
news
The area in question is frequented by tugs and barges. They manage to
transit the ICW without serious issues.

The boaters who run into trouble typically are on large cruisers heading
for the sun.


I have some really good videos of us passing "close to" some quarter-mile
long barges in the ICW. Interesting and tense, to say the least. If I
can figure out how to post some of them on my website I will try.

On the other hand, those tugs and barges tend to dredge their own channel
while making the transit unlike a smaller boat like the Navigator. Where
they can pass, I might run aground.

Eisboch



The barges are interesting, especially in some of the tight ICW turns...

I've made the "jump" from the Golden Isles to St. Augustine about a
dozen times, in the ditch and out in the ocean. Ran my 19-foot Sea Pro
up to St. Simons Island once on its bottom, mostly inside. Great fishing
along the ICW and in its creeks. St. Simons was a popular destination.
Nice beaches, good eats, still have a couple of tee-shirts leftover from
my last trip there.

So Harry, which way is better, to run the outside in good weather or to
contend with the barges on the ICW?

Reginald P. Smithers III wrote:
HK wrote:
Eisboch wrote:
"HK" wrote in message
news The area in question is frequented by tugs and barges. They manage to
transit the ICW without serious issues.

The boaters who run into trouble typically are on large cruisers
heading
for the sun.


I have some really good videos of us passing "close to" some
quarter-mile
long barges in the ICW. Interesting and tense, to say the least.
If I
can figure out how to post some of them on my website I will try.

On the other hand, those tugs and barges tend to dredge their own
channel
while making the transit unlike a smaller boat like the Navigator.
Where
they can pass, I might run aground.

Eisboch



The barges are interesting, especially in some of the tight ICW turns...

I've made the "jump" from the Golden Isles to St. Augustine about a
dozen times, in the ditch and out in the ocean. Ran my 19-foot Sea Pro
up to St. Simons Island once on its bottom, mostly inside. Great
fishing along the ICW and in its creeks. St. Simons was a popular
destination. Nice beaches, good eats, still have a couple of
tee-shirts leftover from my last trip there.

So Harry, which way is better, to run the outside in good weather or to
contend with the barges on the ICW?



Why would you care? You're not going to encounter the ocean or the barges.

For what it is worth, the ICW run is far more interesting visually.

HK wrote:
Reginald P. Smithers III wrote:
HK wrote:
Eisboch wrote:
"HK" wrote in message
news The area in question is frequented by tugs and barges. They manage to
transit the ICW without serious issues.

The boaters who run into trouble typically are on large cruisers
heading
for the sun.


I have some really good videos of us passing "close to" some
quarter-mile
long barges in the ICW. Interesting and tense, to say the least.
If I
can figure out how to post some of them on my website I will try.

On the other hand, those tugs and barges tend to dredge their own
channel
while making the transit unlike a smaller boat like the Navigator.
Where
they can pass, I might run aground.

Eisboch



The barges are interesting, especially in some of the tight ICW turns...

I've made the "jump" from the Golden Isles to St. Augustine about a
dozen times, in the ditch and out in the ocean. Ran my 19-foot Sea
Pro up to St. Simons Island once on its bottom, mostly inside. Great
fishing along the ICW and in its creeks. St. Simons was a popular
destination. Nice beaches, good eats, still have a couple of
tee-shirts leftover from my last trip there.

So Harry, which way is better, to run the outside in good weather or
to contend with the barges on the ICW?



Why would you care? You're not going to encounter the ocean or the barges.

For what it is worth, the ICW run is far more interesting visually.

Well thanks for your input. I am really surprised that you made the
"jump" dozens of times, since you have always said you don't like taking
long trips in the boat, and you would prefer to drive or fly somewhere
and then rent a boat, than to make a slow trip in a boat. I guess you
have changed your mind since you made the trip "dozens" of times.

I am surprised that this is the first time you mentioned all of these
many trips to St. Simons and area, it really is a nice place both
fishing in the area and on land.

Reginald P. Smithers III wrote:
HK wrote:
Reginald P. Smithers III wrote:
HK wrote:
Eisboch wrote:
"HK" wrote in message
news The area in question is frequented by tugs and barges. They manage to
transit the ICW without serious issues.

The boaters who run into trouble typically are on large cruisers
heading
for the sun.


I have some really good videos of us passing "close to" some
quarter-mile
long barges in the ICW. Interesting and tense, to say the
least. If I
can figure out how to post some of them on my website I will try.

On the other hand, those tugs and barges tend to dredge their own
channel
while making the transit unlike a smaller boat like the Navigator.
Where
they can pass, I might run aground.

Eisboch



The barges are interesting, especially in some of the tight ICW
turns...

I've made the "jump" from the Golden Isles to St. Augustine about a
dozen times, in the ditch and out in the ocean. Ran my 19-foot Sea
Pro up to St. Simons Island once on its bottom, mostly inside. Great
fishing along the ICW and in its creeks. St. Simons was a popular
destination. Nice beaches, good eats, still have a couple of
tee-shirts leftover from my last trip there.

So Harry, which way is better, to run the outside in good weather or
to contend with the barges on the ICW?



Why would you care? You're not going to encounter the ocean or the
barges.

For what it is worth, the ICW run is far more interesting visually.

Well thanks for your input. I am really surprised that you made the
"jump" dozens of times, since you have always said you don't like taking
long trips in the boat, and you would prefer to drive or fly somewhere
and then rent a boat, than to make a slow trip in a boat. I guess you
have changed your mind since you made the trip "dozens" of times.

I am surprised that this is the first time you mentioned all of these
many trips to St. Simons and area, it really is a nice place both
fishing in the area and on land.



D'oh. It isn't that long a trip, about 60 miles from Mayport to St.
Simons by boat, less than two hours on a good day, and another hour from
St. Augustine. I probably fished 70% of the creeks between the St. Johns
River and Nassau Sound along the ICE, and would many times head farther
north to catch different tides.

You really don't know much about coastal boating or in fact any sort of
boating. It shows.