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On Wed, 10 Oct 2007 15:04:21 -0400, "Eisboch" wrote:


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On Wed, 10 Oct 2007 18:55:07 GMT, "JoeSpareBedroom"
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I, for one, am all for delaying the eventual slide of the USA to
socialism for as long as humanly possible.


I think most people would agree with that. But, it's hard to tell
without
definitions. What's your brief definition of socialized medicine, for
instance? Explain as if you needed to say it in a short sentence to an
economics class.


No.

Eisboch


It's interesting how people who bitch about "socialism" are never EVER
willing to define an example. I know why. So do you.


I really don't think you have time for this, Doug.

You must be Doug's boss.

ROTFL!!!

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"Eisboch" wrote in message
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If your daughter was raped and you started talking to her about
statistics, I wonder how she'd react.


See? The rape thing again.

Eisboch

It's important because there are cults which think they can dictate the
options available to a rape victim. You can't exclude inconvenient facts
from the discussion, unless you'd like to say it's over for now.


My point is that the majority of abortions, I believe, are performed not
because of a rape, but because a resulting pregnancy following voluntary
sex where no precautions were taken happens to be embarrassing or
inconvenient.

That may be. I don't know. A call to Planned Parenthood would probably shed
some light on the question.



Rape is a different issue and much more difficult to resolve in my mind,
although I'd probably go along with having abortion a legal option in it's
case or in the event of a problematic pregnancy whereby the mother's life
may be in danger.

But now, we come back to another sticky subject: What if a 16 year old girl
is raped, becomes pregnant, and her parents raise hell because she wants an
abortion? Who should have the right to decide? The parents, or the girl?


Whatever happened to the fathers with shotguns?

You're talking to one, and I don't even have a daughter. I told my son "Your
girlfriends are, by default, my daughters. Don't start with me." He
understands.

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On Wed, 10 Oct 2007 18:45:48 GMT, "JoeSpareBedroom"
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"Eisboch" wrote in message
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What do you think should happen if:

- A 16 year old girl is raped and becomes pregnant
- Her parents are fully aware of the rape
- Her parents are dead set against her having an abortion

How many abortions are performed due to rape versus the number performed
following consenting sexual relations that results in an inconvenient
pregnancy?

I don't know. Why is a statistic important to a girl who doesn't want to
carry a baby that was conceived in an act of violence?

Why should the results of an act of violence make necessary another
act of violence?

Abortion is an act of violence.

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On Oct 10, 12:18?pm, Short Wave Sportfishing
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On Wed, 10 Oct 2007 09:02:59 -0700, Chuck Gould

wrote:
If Rudy prevails for the R's, much of the Christian right is ready to
defect. Should that happen, the next POTUS will be a D, not an R.
But who gives a darn which mob boss is in charge of the pimps and
thieves in the federal government, or even which mob is temporarily
king of the hill? One batch of *******s steals for one set of special
interests, and the other batch of *******s steals for another.

Larry? Is that you?

Certainly isn't worth getting all excited about, and definitely not
worthy of a fight between friends.

Friends? Didn't you just lecture me on the fact that you aren't
anybody's "friend" on Usenet - only an aquantaince and a dubious one
at that?

Sorry that you perceived the expression of my opinion as a "lecture."
There is no fighting among friends in a forum like this, just
fighting.
Fighting among friends would occur in other venues where people are
actually acquainted with one another, and occurs frequently during
political campaigns.

In any event, there is nothing to be gained by arguing politics. One
side or the other will "win". Big deal. How does that old lyric go?
"Meet the new boss- same as the old boss"?

Most of what the right wing has to say about the Democratic Party has
some foundation in fact. Unfortunately, most of what the left wing has
to way about the Republican Party is also well founded. Choosing a
party and candidate to run the country is like deciding whether you'd
rather be executed in the electric chair or by hanging.


*Both* parties would do well to consider what a very wise man once
said:

"For as you judge, so will you be judged, and the measure with which
you measure will be measured out to you.

Why do you notice the splinter in your brother's eye, but do not
perceive the wooden beam in your own eye?

How can you say to your brother, 'Let me remove that splinter from
your eye,' while the wooden beam is in your eye?

You hypocrite, remove the wooden beam from your eye first; then you
will see clearly to remove the splinter from your brother's eye."

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"Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message
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On Wed, 10 Oct 2007 18:45:48 GMT, "JoeSpareBedroom"
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"Eisboch" wrote in message
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"JoeSpareBedroom" wrote in message
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What do you think should happen if:

- A 16 year old girl is raped and becomes pregnant
- Her parents are fully aware of the rape
- Her parents are dead set against her having an abortion

How many abortions are performed due to rape versus the number performed
following consenting sexual relations that results in an inconvenient
pregnancy?

I don't know. Why is a statistic important to a girl who doesn't want to
carry a baby that was conceived in an act of violence?

Why should the results of an act of violence make necessary another
act of violence?

Abortion is an act of violence.

The relative consequences are not up to society to decide. It's up to the
victim, who may not want to lie to her kid at some point in the future.

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On Wed, 10 Oct 2007 19:19:55 GMT, "JoeSpareBedroom"
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"Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message
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On Wed, 10 Oct 2007 15:15:48 GMT, "JoeSpareBedroom"
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On Wed, 10 Oct 2007 12:11:32 GMT, "JoeSpareBedroom"
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Which stance did Romney take on reproductive rights?

I'm constantly amused by the phrase - "reproductive rights".

What exactly are "reproductive rights"?

Example: Deciding whether to continue a pregnancy after a woman's been
raped.

That's abortion rights.

I want to know what "reproductive rights" are.

Same thing.

No they are not the same thing.

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"Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message
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On Wed, 10 Oct 2007 19:19:55 GMT, "JoeSpareBedroom"
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"Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message
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On Wed, 10 Oct 2007 15:15:48 GMT, "JoeSpareBedroom"
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"Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message
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On Wed, 10 Oct 2007 12:11:32 GMT, "JoeSpareBedroom"
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Which stance did Romney take on reproductive rights?

I'm constantly amused by the phrase - "reproductive rights".

What exactly are "reproductive rights"?

Example: Deciding whether to continue a pregnancy after a woman's been
raped.

That's abortion rights.

I want to know what "reproductive rights" are.

Same thing.

No they are not the same thing.

OK. We're done with this branch of the thread. Have a nice day.

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Chuck Gould wrote:
On Oct 10, 12:18?pm, Short Wave Sportfishing
wrote:
On Wed, 10 Oct 2007 09:02:59 -0700, Chuck Gould

wrote:
If Rudy prevails for the R's, much of the Christian right is ready to
defect. Should that happen, the next POTUS will be a D, not an R.
But who gives a darn which mob boss is in charge of the pimps and
thieves in the federal government, or even which mob is temporarily
king of the hill? One batch of *******s steals for one set of special
interests, and the other batch of *******s steals for another.
Larry? Is that you?

Certainly isn't worth getting all excited about, and definitely not
worthy of a fight between friends.
Friends? Didn't you just lecture me on the fact that you aren't
anybody's "friend" on Usenet - only an aquantaince and a dubious one
at that?

Sorry that you perceived the expression of my opinion as a "lecture."
There is no fighting among friends in a forum like this, just
fighting.
Fighting among friends would occur in other venues where people are
actually acquainted with one another, and occurs frequently during
political campaigns.

In any event, there is nothing to be gained by arguing politics. One
side or the other will "win". Big deal. How does that old lyric go?
"Meet the new boss- same as the old boss"?

Most of what the right wing has to say about the Democratic Party has
some foundation in fact. Unfortunately, most of what the left wing has
to way about the Republican Party is also well founded. Choosing a
party and candidate to run the country is like deciding whether you'd
rather be executed in the electric chair or by hanging.


*Both* parties would do well to consider what a very wise man once
said:

"For as you judge, so will you be judged, and the measure with which
you measure will be measured out to you.

Why do you notice the splinter in your brother's eye, but do not
perceive the wooden beam in your own eye?

How can you say to your brother, 'Let me remove that splinter from
your eye,' while the wooden beam is in your eye?

You hypocrite, remove the wooden beam from your eye first; then you
will see clearly to remove the splinter from your brother's eye."








Gosh...to think I started this by merely commenting on the performance
of the participants, and not the content of their messages. Wow.

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"HK" wrote in message
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Chuck Gould wrote:
On Oct 10, 12:18?pm, Short Wave Sportfishing
wrote:
On Wed, 10 Oct 2007 09:02:59 -0700, Chuck Gould

wrote:
If Rudy prevails for the R's, much of the Christian right is ready to
defect. Should that happen, the next POTUS will be a D, not an R.
But who gives a darn which mob boss is in charge of the pimps and
thieves in the federal government, or even which mob is temporarily
king of the hill? One batch of *******s steals for one set of special
interests, and the other batch of *******s steals for another.
Larry? Is that you?

Certainly isn't worth getting all excited about, and definitely not
worthy of a fight between friends.
Friends? Didn't you just lecture me on the fact that you aren't
anybody's "friend" on Usenet - only an aquantaince and a dubious one
at that?

Sorry that you perceived the expression of my opinion as a "lecture."
There is no fighting among friends in a forum like this, just
fighting.
Fighting among friends would occur in other venues where people are
actually acquainted with one another, and occurs frequently during
political campaigns.

In any event, there is nothing to be gained by arguing politics. One
side or the other will "win". Big deal. How does that old lyric go?
"Meet the new boss- same as the old boss"?

Most of what the right wing has to say about the Democratic Party has
some foundation in fact. Unfortunately, most of what the left wing has
to way about the Republican Party is also well founded. Choosing a
party and candidate to run the country is like deciding whether you'd
rather be executed in the electric chair or by hanging.


*Both* parties would do well to consider what a very wise man once
said:

"For as you judge, so will you be judged, and the measure with which
you measure will be measured out to you.

Why do you notice the splinter in your brother's eye, but do not
perceive the wooden beam in your own eye?

How can you say to your brother, 'Let me remove that splinter from
your eye,' while the wooden beam is in your eye?

You hypocrite, remove the wooden beam from your eye first; then you
will see clearly to remove the splinter from your brother's eye."








Gosh...to think I started this by merely commenting on the performance of
the participants, and not the content of their messages. Wow.

Hey...I tried to avoid the content, but sometimes, you just can't stop the
bluegills from biting.

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JoeSpareBedroom wrote:

Not at all. But, let's stick with a specific issue: "socialized medicine".
How do you define that?

I thought sticking with the specific issue, was judging the performers
of the Republican candidate debate.....