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On Wed, 10 Oct 2007 14:55:03 -0000, wrote:

On Oct 10, 10:49 am, "JoeSpareBedroom" wrote:
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On Oct 10, 10:20 am, "JoeSpareBedroom" wrote:
"John H." wrote in message

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On Wed, 10 Oct 2007 13:08:47 GMT, "JoeSpareBedroom"
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On Wed, 10 Oct 2007 13:00:31 GMT, "JoeSpareBedroom"
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On Wed, 10 Oct 2007 12:21:54 GMT, "JoeSpareBedroom"
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On Wed, 10 Oct 2007 07:30:43 -0400, HK
wrote:

I don't want to get into the politics of their positions, but if
you
watched the GOP debate/discussion yesterday, what did you think
of
the
candidates as performers?

I thought Guiliani and Romney did the best sales job in terms of
their
grasp of issues and hard-driving presentation, but I liked Mike
Huckabee
the best. He seems the most sincere and decent. Fred Thompson
looked
old, unprepared, out of place, even though he told a couple of
cute
jokes. McCain is trying too hard and it shows. The rest of the
crew
should drop out now.

Agree with Eisboch's comment. Obama should give Huckabee his
donation
money. Huckabee could put it to some good use. McCain should do
the
same
thing.

trolling trolling trolling....

The difference is much too subtle for you.

No. Anything you disagree with, or forces you to think, you consider
out
of
bounds. If you knew anything at all about Romney, you'd know he's a
chameleon. He'll say whatever his audience hopes for with regard to
certain
subjects. He's stated so many different things with regard to
reproductive
choice that his critics call him Mr. Multiple Choice. And, he
criticizes
universal health care by calling it a socialist idea, even though
Clinton's
suggestions are very similar to the one Romney himself promoted in
Massachusetts.

You should expand your universe of news sources to include some that
are
intended for adults who give a damn about this country.

...like I said.

You'll probably choose your candidate in the same way as a 20 year old
girl
interviewed on NPR just after the last election. She voted for Bush
because
she thought he had cute ears.

...over the ocean blue...

By the way, net cop, I wasn't about to debate reproductive rights issues.
I
was simply pointing out that Romney changes his stance on these issues
depending on his audience, so there's really no way to know where he'll
land
if elected.

How you haven't seen this is beyond me. But, you probably wear safety
glasses when brushing your teeth, so anything's possible.- Hide quoted
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Yeah, and Hillary is solid as a rock, right? I don't hear Romney
taking 4 positions on an issue, with four different dialects, in one
day. Not to mention, at least Romney is willing to stand up in front
of a hostile interivew and explain his posititions and their
evolution. Not on dem (Hillary) will even take unscripted questions,
much less address the other half of the country. Everytime she gets a
quesiton she doesn't like, she attacks the questioner, it is a tactic
developed by the Clintons back a few years ago... They just call it a
vast right wing conspiracy, and dodge.. All the time setting up groups
like Media Matters to lie and run interferance..

Meanwhile, he uses the words "socialized medicine" to describe other
people's health care ideas, while conveniently forgetting that many of these
plans are almost identical to the one he promoted in Massachusetts.

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What is with the constant accusations that folks that don't agree with
you "don't understand' or "don't read" or "don't care"... Do you
understand the concept of a Democratic Republic?? Do you understand
that the country is bigger than your basement apartment and a stack of
playboy magazines? I think you are stuck in a teenage fantasy, go back
to Jon Stewart, he seems to think at your level... Intolerant, and
ignorant...

You are learning Doug's MO. Bait, get one hooked, and then begin the
personal attacks. He can't debate/argue without the word 'you' followed by
invectives and name-calling.

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On Wed, 10 Oct 2007 15:15:48 GMT, "JoeSpareBedroom"
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"Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message
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On Wed, 10 Oct 2007 12:11:32 GMT, "JoeSpareBedroom"
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Which stance did Romney take on reproductive rights?

I'm constantly amused by the phrase - "reproductive rights".

What exactly are "reproductive rights"?

Example: Deciding whether to continue a pregnancy after a woman's been
raped.


So kill a kid.

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"Tim" wrote in message
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Eisboch wrote:
Agree about Huckabee. If he could only change his last name. 8)



He *did* radically change his physical image. Lost a ton of weight.

Eisboch

Not sure, but I think he lost the weight due to health reasons instad
of *image* (large threat of diabetes)


I didn't mean to suggest he lost weight to *enhance* his image for political
reasons.
I just meant that among many achievements, he did something about being
overweight.

I can relate to that!

Eisboch

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On Oct 10, 10:49 am, "JoeSpareBedroom" wrote:
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The difference is much too subtle for you.


How you haven't seen this is beyond me. But, you probably wear safety
glasses when brushing your teeth, so anything's possible.-

You probably don't understand why this is odd.- Hide quoted text -




What is with the constant accusations that folks that don't agree with
you "don't understand' or "don't read" or "don't care"... Do you
understand the concept of a Democratic Republic?? Do you understand
that the country is bigger than your basement apartment and a stack of
playboy magazines? I think you are stuck in a teenage fantasy, go back
to Jon Stewart, he seems to think at your level... Intolerant, and
ignorant...


His technique of debate has been well studied. Those with *very* liberal
viewpoints often take on a pseudo-superior, "I am smart, you are dumb"
attitude when engaged in otherwise informative and meaningful discussion
with someone who does not agree with him. In other words, if you don't
agree, you are ill-informed or stupid or both.

If you read his comments, you'll see that it is a consistent approach to
debate.


Eisboch

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"Eisboch" wrote in message
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On Oct 10, 10:49 am, "JoeSpareBedroom" wrote:
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The difference is much too subtle for you.


How you haven't seen this is beyond me. But, you probably wear safety
glasses when brushing your teeth, so anything's possible.-

You probably don't understand why this is odd.- Hide quoted text -




What is with the constant accusations that folks that don't agree with
you "don't understand' or "don't read" or "don't care"... Do you
understand the concept of a Democratic Republic?? Do you understand
that the country is bigger than your basement apartment and a stack of
playboy magazines? I think you are stuck in a teenage fantasy, go back
to Jon Stewart, he seems to think at your level... Intolerant, and
ignorant...


His technique of debate has been well studied. Those with *very* liberal
viewpoints often take on a pseudo-superior, "I am smart, you are dumb"
attitude when engaged in otherwise informative and meaningful discussion
with someone who does not agree with him. In other words, if you don't
agree, you are ill-informed or stupid or both.

If you read his comments, you'll see that it is a consistent approach to
debate.


Eisboch


Perhaps you should read what he was responding to before passing judgement
this time, Eisboch.

Never mind. You won't.

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Yeah, and Hillary is solid as a rock, right? I don't hear Romney
taking 4 positions on an issue, with four different dialects, in one
day. Not to mention, at least Romney is willing to stand up in front
of a hostile interivew and explain his posititions and their
evolution. Not on dem (Hillary) will even take unscripted questions,
much less address the other half of the country. Everytime she gets a
quesiton she doesn't like, she attacks the questioner, it is a tactic
developed by the Clintons back a few years ago... They just call it a
vast right wing conspiracy, and dodge.. All the time setting up groups
like Media Matters to lie and run interferance..


Although I lean towards the "right" politically, I've always tried to keep
an open mind during election seasons. There are so many problems to
resolve, both domestic social issues and in international affairs that it
would be stupid not to give every serious candidate some consideration,
regardless of their party affiliation. Having said that, my impressions of
Hillary (so far) are as follows:



1. Brilliant mind.

2. Politically experienced.

3. Media experienced.



but:



4. Seems to be motivated by a drive for personal achievement rather than
having a real national interest vision.

5. Continues to propose domestic programs that border on socialism, (which,
of course, gets votes). Think about it. Only 50 percent of the population
pays income taxes.

6. Admitted Yankees fan.



Number 5 (and 6) are bothersome for me.



I, for one, am all for delaying the eventual slide of the USA to socialism
for as long as humanly possible.



I'd much rather provide tax money, donations and service to enable those in
need (but otherwise physically and mentally capable) with the tools and
knowledge to provide for themselves rather than becoming dependents of the
government.



Eisboch

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On Wed, 10 Oct 2007 16:49:05 GMT, "JoeSpareBedroom"
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"John H." wrote in message
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On Wed, 10 Oct 2007 15:15:48 GMT, "JoeSpareBedroom"
wrote:

"Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message
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On Wed, 10 Oct 2007 12:11:32 GMT, "JoeSpareBedroom"
wrote:

Which stance did Romney take on reproductive rights?

I'm constantly amused by the phrase - "reproductive rights".

What exactly are "reproductive rights"?

Example: Deciding whether to continue a pregnancy after a woman's been
raped.


So kill a kid.

There's just one thing I like about you, John. You never fail to meet my
expectations of you, which are pretty low.


"you, you, you", as I said.

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"Eisboch" wrote in message
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I, for one, am all for delaying the eventual slide of the USA to socialism
for as long as humanly possible.


I think most people would agree with that. But, it's hard to tell without
definitions. What's your brief definition of socialized medicine, for
instance? Explain as if you needed to say it in a short sentence to an
economics class.

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"JoeSpareBedroom" wrote in message
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What do you think should happen if:

- A 16 year old girl is raped and becomes pregnant
- Her parents are fully aware of the rape
- Her parents are dead set against her having an abortion


How many abortions are performed due to rape versus the number performed
following consenting sexual relations that results in an inconvenient
pregnancy?

Eisboch

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"Eisboch" wrote in message
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"JoeSpareBedroom" wrote in message
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What do you think should happen if:

- A 16 year old girl is raped and becomes pregnant
- Her parents are fully aware of the rape
- Her parents are dead set against her having an abortion


How many abortions are performed due to rape versus the number performed
following consenting sexual relations that results in an inconvenient
pregnancy?

Eisboch


I don't know. Why is a statistic important to a girl who doesn't want to
carry a baby that was conceived in an act of violence?