On Wed, 03 Oct 2007 14:36:36 -0400, HK wrote:

Tim wrote:
I've been thinking about this and haven't really come to any
conclusion, But While in S. Florida this summer I was looking at the
fishing boats. and of course you had your diesel or large gas powered
Bluewater battlewagons, as Chuck would mention, they 40 footers with
three tier tuna towers etc. But then you had the smaller center
console sport fisherman craft, like the 22' - 27' Makos, Gradys,
Parkers, etc Thhat were all equipped with large outboard single or
dual.

I was wondering why, especially in the smaller craft there was the
absense of I/O's Like Mercruiser, volvo penta, etc.

Anyone I've talked to has never given me a direct conclusive answer.

Does it have to do with the salt water? handling charistics? etc?

I don't know why the I/O's arn't popular for intermediate sport
fishing.

Thats why I'm asking.

THANKS!



Because:

Their drive system is more complicated (more turns) than an outboard,
Their boots can leak offshore, causing the boat to sink,
Their lower units cannot be raised completely out of the water when
the boat is not being used, leading to interesting corrosion, galvanic
action, and marine growth problems,
Their engines tend to take up lots of fishing space in the stern of the
boat,
Their engines are heavier, putting more weight in the stern,
Their exhaust systems and manifolds tend to rust out in five years or less.

Tim, add what he said to what I said!

On Wed, 03 Oct 2007 14:36:36 -0400, HK wrote:

Tim wrote:
I've been thinking about this and haven't really come to any
conclusion, But While in S. Florida this summer I was looking at the
fishing boats. and of course you had your diesel or large gas powered
Bluewater battlewagons, as Chuck would mention, they 40 footers with
three tier tuna towers etc. But then you had the smaller center
console sport fisherman craft, like the 22' - 27' Makos, Gradys,
Parkers, etc Thhat were all equipped with large outboard single or
dual.

I was wondering why, especially in the smaller craft there was the
absense of I/O's Like Mercruiser, volvo penta, etc.

Anyone I've talked to has never given me a direct conclusive answer.

Does it have to do with the salt water? handling charistics? etc?

I don't know why the I/O's arn't popular for intermediate sport
fishing.

Thats why I'm asking.

THANKS!



Because:

Their drive system is more complicated (more turns) than an outboard,
Their boots can leak offshore, causing the boat to sink,
Their lower units cannot be raised completely out of the water when
the boat is not being used, leading to interesting corrosion, galvanic
action, and marine growth problems,
Their engines tend to take up lots of fishing space in the stern of the
boat,
Their engines are heavier, putting more weight in the stern,
Their exhaust systems and manifolds tend to rust out in five years or
less.


I'll add a couple mo

Rubber couplers between the engine and outdrive that wear out and shred.
(Usually means pulling the engine to replace)

Hydraulic lines for tilt/trim that leak.

Shift cables that get worn.

"Flappers" that rot and seize.

Can be susceptible to hydrolocking the engine if a large wave or wake hits
the stern hard with the engine off ... especially after the "flappers"
freeze up in the open position.

Eisboch

"Eisboch" wrote in message
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On Wed, 03 Oct 2007 14:36:36 -0400, HK wrote:

Tim wrote:
I've been thinking about this and haven't really come to any
conclusion, But While in S. Florida this summer I was looking at the
fishing boats. and of course you had your diesel or large gas powered
Bluewater battlewagons, as Chuck would mention, they 40 footers with
three tier tuna towers etc. But then you had the smaller center
console sport fisherman craft, like the 22' - 27' Makos, Gradys,
Parkers, etc Thhat were all equipped with large outboard single or
dual.

I was wondering why, especially in the smaller craft there was the
absense of I/O's Like Mercruiser, volvo penta, etc.

Anyone I've talked to has never given me a direct conclusive answer.

Does it have to do with the salt water? handling charistics? etc?

I don't know why the I/O's arn't popular for intermediate sport
fishing.

Thats why I'm asking.

THANKS!



Because:

Their drive system is more complicated (more turns) than an outboard,
Their boots can leak offshore, causing the boat to sink,
Their lower units cannot be raised completely out of the water when
the boat is not being used, leading to interesting corrosion, galvanic
action, and marine growth problems,
Their engines tend to take up lots of fishing space in the stern of the
boat,
Their engines are heavier, putting more weight in the stern,
Their exhaust systems and manifolds tend to rust out in five years or
less.


I'll add a couple mo

Rubber couplers between the engine and outdrive that wear out and shred.
(Usually means pulling the engine to replace)

Hydraulic lines for tilt/trim that leak.

Shift cables that get worn.

"Flappers" that rot and seize.

Can be susceptible to hydrolocking the engine if a large wave or wake hits
the stern hard with the engine off ... especially after the "flappers"
freeze up in the open position.

Eisboch


Having read all this, what is the advantage to an I/O engine, if any?

"JoeSpareBedroom" wrote in message
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"Eisboch" wrote in message
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On Wed, 03 Oct 2007 14:36:36 -0400, HK wrote:

Tim wrote:
I've been thinking about this and haven't really come to any
conclusion, But While in S. Florida this summer I was looking at the
fishing boats. and of course you had your diesel or large gas powered
Bluewater battlewagons, as Chuck would mention, they 40 footers with
three tier tuna towers etc. But then you had the smaller center
console sport fisherman craft, like the 22' - 27' Makos, Gradys,
Parkers, etc Thhat were all equipped with large outboard single or
dual.

I was wondering why, especially in the smaller craft there was the
absense of I/O's Like Mercruiser, volvo penta, etc.

Anyone I've talked to has never given me a direct conclusive answer.

Does it have to do with the salt water? handling charistics? etc?

I don't know why the I/O's arn't popular for intermediate sport
fishing.

Thats why I'm asking.

THANKS!



Because:

Their drive system is more complicated (more turns) than an outboard,
Their boots can leak offshore, causing the boat to sink,
Their lower units cannot be raised completely out of the water when
the boat is not being used, leading to interesting corrosion, galvanic
action, and marine growth problems,
Their engines tend to take up lots of fishing space in the stern of the
boat,
Their engines are heavier, putting more weight in the stern,
Their exhaust systems and manifolds tend to rust out in five years or
less.


I'll add a couple mo

Rubber couplers between the engine and outdrive that wear out and shred.
(Usually means pulling the engine to replace)

Hydraulic lines for tilt/trim that leak.

Shift cables that get worn.

"Flappers" that rot and seize.

Can be susceptible to hydrolocking the engine if a large wave or wake
hits the stern hard with the engine off ... especially after the
"flappers" freeze up in the open position.

Eisboch


Having read all this, what is the advantage to an I/O engine, if any?


Cheaper than comparable power outboards.

Eisboch

On Wed, 3 Oct 2007 16:20:22 -0400, "Eisboch" wrote:

Cheaper than comparable power outboards.

And repairable by ordinary mortals.

On Oct 3, 9:52 pm, Wayne.B wrote:
On Wed, 3 Oct 2007 16:20:22 -0400, "Eisboch" wrote:
Cheaper than comparable power outboards.

And repairable by ordinary mortals.

I dunno.. I was a chevy mechanice in the 80's and found once I took a
little look and got a couple of readouts from the local dealer, I have
been able to do most of the maintenance on my little outboards...

Another option no one has noted is an outboard, in a forward motor
well.

On Oct 4, 12:16 pm, wrote:
On Oct 3, 9:52 pm, Wayne.B wrote:

On Wed, 3 Oct 2007 16:20:22 -0400, "Eisboch" wrote:
Cheaper than comparable power outboards.

And repairable by ordinary mortals.

I dunno.. I was a chevy mechanice in the 80's and found once I took a
little look and got a couple of readouts from the local dealer, I have
been able to do most of the maintenance on my little outboards...

Another option no one has noted is an outboard, in a forward motor
well.

All the types of engine configurations have their pros and cons. The
commercial guys mostly run full inboards.

The price difference of the outboard is because it is completely
produced just for marine use. The inboards and i/o's leverage the
fact that part of the drive train is also used in other industries
thus lowering the cost through volume.

I have an i/o for my recreational trailer boat and I would not have an
outboard if you gave me one. If I kept a larger boat in a slip I'd
have an inboard.

JoeSpareBedroom wrote:
"Eisboch" wrote in message
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On Wed, 03 Oct 2007 14:36:36 -0400, HK wrote:

Tim wrote:
I've been thinking about this and haven't really come to any
conclusion, But While in S. Florida this summer I was looking at the
fishing boats. and of course you had your diesel or large gas powered
Bluewater battlewagons, as Chuck would mention, they 40 footers with
three tier tuna towers etc. But then you had the smaller center
console sport fisherman craft, like the 22' - 27' Makos, Gradys,
Parkers, etc Thhat were all equipped with large outboard single or
dual.

I was wondering why, especially in the smaller craft there was the
absense of I/O's Like Mercruiser, volvo penta, etc.

Anyone I've talked to has never given me a direct conclusive answer.

Does it have to do with the salt water? handling charistics? etc?

I don't know why the I/O's arn't popular for intermediate sport
fishing.

Thats why I'm asking.

THANKS!


Because:

Their drive system is more complicated (more turns) than an outboard,
Their boots can leak offshore, causing the boat to sink,
Their lower units cannot be raised completely out of the water when
the boat is not being used, leading to interesting corrosion, galvanic
action, and marine growth problems,
Their engines tend to take up lots of fishing space in the stern of the
boat,
Their engines are heavier, putting more weight in the stern,
Their exhaust systems and manifolds tend to rust out in five years or
less.

I'll add a couple mo

Rubber couplers between the engine and outdrive that wear out and shred.
(Usually means pulling the engine to replace)

Hydraulic lines for tilt/trim that leak.

Shift cables that get worn.

"Flappers" that rot and seize.

Can be susceptible to hydrolocking the engine if a large wave or wake hits
the stern hard with the engine off ... especially after the "flappers"
freeze up in the open position.

Eisboch


Having read all this, what is the advantage to an I/O engine, if any?


They look pretty and are bigger. Size does matter.

On Wed, 03 Oct 2007 20:05:40 GMT, "JoeSpareBedroom"
wrote:

"Eisboch" wrote in message
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On Wed, 03 Oct 2007 14:36:36 -0400, HK wrote:

Tim wrote:
I've been thinking about this and haven't really come to any
conclusion, But While in S. Florida this summer I was looking at the
fishing boats. and of course you had your diesel or large gas powered
Bluewater battlewagons, as Chuck would mention, they 40 footers with
three tier tuna towers etc. But then you had the smaller center
console sport fisherman craft, like the 22' - 27' Makos, Gradys,
Parkers, etc Thhat were all equipped with large outboard single or
dual.

I was wondering why, especially in the smaller craft there was the
absense of I/O's Like Mercruiser, volvo penta, etc.

Anyone I've talked to has never given me a direct conclusive answer.

Does it have to do with the salt water? handling charistics? etc?

I don't know why the I/O's arn't popular for intermediate sport
fishing.

Thats why I'm asking.

THANKS!



Because:

Their drive system is more complicated (more turns) than an outboard,
Their boots can leak offshore, causing the boat to sink,
Their lower units cannot be raised completely out of the water when
the boat is not being used, leading to interesting corrosion, galvanic
action, and marine growth problems,
Their engines tend to take up lots of fishing space in the stern of the
boat,
Their engines are heavier, putting more weight in the stern,
Their exhaust systems and manifolds tend to rust out in five years or
less.


I'll add a couple mo

Rubber couplers between the engine and outdrive that wear out and shred.
(Usually means pulling the engine to replace)

Hydraulic lines for tilt/trim that leak.

Shift cables that get worn.

"Flappers" that rot and seize.

Can be susceptible to hydrolocking the engine if a large wave or wake hits
the stern hard with the engine off ... especially after the "flappers"
freeze up in the open position.

Eisboch


Having read all this, what is the advantage to an I/O engine, if any?


They'd probably make a good anchor. They're cheaper to replace. A rebuild
can be had for around $3K to $5K.

JoeSpareBedroom wrote:
"Eisboch" wrote in message
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On Wed, 03 Oct 2007 14:36:36 -0400, HK wrote:

Tim wrote:
I've been thinking about this and haven't really come to any
conclusion, But While in S. Florida this summer I was looking at the
fishing boats. and of course you had your diesel or large gas powered
Bluewater battlewagons, as Chuck would mention, they 40 footers with
three tier tuna towers etc. But then you had the smaller center
console sport fisherman craft, like the 22' - 27' Makos, Gradys,
Parkers, etc Thhat were all equipped with large outboard single or
dual.

I was wondering why, especially in the smaller craft there was the
absense of I/O's Like Mercruiser, volvo penta, etc.

Anyone I've talked to has never given me a direct conclusive answer.

Does it have to do with the salt water? handling charistics? etc?

I don't know why the I/O's arn't popular for intermediate sport
fishing.

Thats why I'm asking.

THANKS!


Because:

Their drive system is more complicated (more turns) than an outboard,
Their boots can leak offshore, causing the boat to sink,
Their lower units cannot be raised completely out of the water when
the boat is not being used, leading to interesting corrosion, galvanic
action, and marine growth problems,
Their engines tend to take up lots of fishing space in the stern of the
boat,
Their engines are heavier, putting more weight in the stern,
Their exhaust systems and manifolds tend to rust out in five years or
less.

I'll add a couple mo

Rubber couplers between the engine and outdrive that wear out and shred.
(Usually means pulling the engine to replace)

Hydraulic lines for tilt/trim that leak.

Shift cables that get worn.

"Flappers" that rot and seize.

Can be susceptible to hydrolocking the engine if a large wave or wake hits
the stern hard with the engine off ... especially after the "flappers"
freeze up in the open position.

Eisboch


Having read all this, what is the advantage to an I/O engine, if any?



Cost.

You can get a complete boat, motor, trailer with a 135hp Mercruiser
Alpha 1 or 135hp Volvo-Penta SX for the price of just the 4 stroke or
E-Tec outboard engine in that horsepower range.

Rob