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What guage wire??
I want to install my battery in the bow of my 16 foot skiff. The
battery will power the starter for a 25 horse electric start evinrude. The total cable length will be 18 feet, no breaks. What guage wire do I need to use, do I need to use something as big as a car like 4 guage, or can I use 8?? How many amps does a typical 25 horse starter draw? Any help would be greatly appreciated. Just Wait |
What guage wire??
wrote in message
ups.com... I want to install my battery in the bow of my 16 foot skiff. The battery will power the starter for a 25 horse electric start evinrude. The total cable length will be 18 feet, no breaks. What guage wire do I need to use, do I need to use something as big as a car like 4 guage, or can I use 8?? How many amps does a typical 25 horse starter draw? Any help would be greatly appreciated. Just Wait The wire should always be thicker than the largest drill bit you have on hand to make the necessary holes, and all the stores are closed. It's inevitable. |
What guage wire??
On Sep 23, 11:27 am, "JoeSpareBedroom" wrote:
wrote in message ups.com... I want to install my battery in the bow of my 16 foot skiff. The battery will power the starter for a 25 horse electric start evinrude. The total cable length will be 18 feet, no breaks. What guage wire do I need to use, do I need to use something as big as a car like 4 guage, or can I use 8?? How many amps does a typical 25 horse starter draw? Any help would be greatly appreciated. Just Wait The wire should always be thicker than the largest drill bit you have on hand to make the necessary holes, and all the stores are closed. It's inevitable. ;) That would be some pretty big frekin' wire. I am a tool guy. Anyways, I have some calculations here somewhere if someone can tell me what that starter should draw... somewhere... Hopefully one of you can just tell me what guage I should be using;) |
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ups.com... On Sep 23, 11:27 am, "JoeSpareBedroom" wrote: wrote in message ups.com... I want to install my battery in the bow of my 16 foot skiff. The battery will power the starter for a 25 horse electric start evinrude. The total cable length will be 18 feet, no breaks. What guage wire do I need to use, do I need to use something as big as a car like 4 guage, or can I use 8?? How many amps does a typical 25 horse starter draw? Any help would be greatly appreciated. Just Wait The wire should always be thicker than the largest drill bit you have on hand to make the necessary holes, and all the stores are closed. It's inevitable. ;) That would be some pretty big frekin' wire. I am a tool guy. Anyways, I have some calculations here somewhere if someone can tell me what that starter should draw... somewhere... Hopefully one of you can just tell me what guage I should be using;) Tom should be along shortly, although he'll probably suggest using frozen quantum proton streams to move the power from bow to stern. |
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"Gene Kearns" wrote
Crimp the lugs (no solder) Whyzzat? |
What guage wire??
wrote in message ups.com... On Sep 23, 11:27 am, "JoeSpareBedroom" wrote: wrote in message ups.com... I want to install my battery in the bow of my 16 foot skiff. The battery will power the starter for a 25 horse electric start evinrude. The total cable length will be 18 feet, no breaks. What guage wire do I need to use, do I need to use something as big as a car like 4 guage, or can I use 8?? How many amps does a typical 25 horse starter draw? Any help would be greatly appreciated. Just Wait The wire should always be thicker than the largest drill bit you have on hand to make the necessary holes, and all the stores are closed. It's inevitable. ;) That would be some pretty big frekin' wire. I am a tool guy. Anyways, I have some calculations here somewhere if someone can tell me what that starter should draw... somewhere... Hopefully one of you can just tell me what guage I should be using;) Your buddy Tom should be able to tell you that. Somewhere he has my phamplets for the starter motor he installed on the Johnson 25 on my Princecraft. |
What guage wire??
On Sep 23, 11:31 am, "JimH" ask wrote:
wrote in message ups.com... I want to install my battery in the bow of my 16 foot skiff. The battery will power the starter for a 25 horse electric start evinrude. The total cable length will be 18 feet, no breaks. What guage wire do I need to use, do I need to use something as big as a car like 4 guage, or can I use 8?? How many amps does a typical 25 horse starter draw? Any help would be greatly appreciated. Just Wait Besides Gene's suggestion, this discussion may also be of some help:http://continuouswave.com/ubb/Forum6/HTML/000565.html 8 will probably do ok. but if you have access to 4 it would be better. the brush leads in the starter itself, if combined don't equal about 8 ga., so 8 will probably work, but 4 would work better. |
What guage wire??
On Sun, 23 Sep 2007 15:19:31 -0000,
wrote: I want to install my battery in the bow of my 16 foot skiff. The battery will power the starter for a 25 horse electric start evinrude. The total cable length will be 18 feet, no breaks. What guage wire do I need to use, do I need to use something as big as a car like 4 guage, or can I use 8?? How many amps does a typical 25 horse starter draw? Any help would be greatly appreciated. Go to Abuchon's and get 20 feet of #10 zip wire. You don't need anything larger than #10 - that starter doesn't require tons of amps. Assuming you have a RV type battery, get 5/16 and 3/8 lugs - crimp on. Get some shrink tubing for the lugs. Get some acid free soldering flux. Optional - obtain a circuit breaker panel like this: http://tinyurl.com/2lnqz4 Run the wire, Install the shrink wrap, install the lugs, crimp them lightly, solder the lugs, shrink the shrink wrap, hook up the circuit breaker box (assuming you obtain one) and that's it. No need for #8 or #4 - you don't have anything heavy enough on that boat to require that. Just Wait For what? |
What guage wire??
On Sep 23, 2:11 pm, Short Wave Sportfishing
wrote: On Sun, 23 Sep 2007 15:19:31 -0000, wrote: I want to install my battery in the bow of my 16 foot skiff. The battery will power the starter for a 25 horse electric start evinrude. The total cable length will be 18 feet, no breaks. What guage wire do I need to use, do I need to use something as big as a car like 4 guage, or can I use 8?? How many amps does a typical 25 horse starter draw? Any help would be greatly appreciated. Go to Abuchon's and get 20 feet of #10 zip wire. You don't need anything larger than #10 - that starter doesn't require tons of amps. Assuming you have a RV type battery, get 5/16 and 3/8 lugs - crimp on. Get some shrink tubing for the lugs. Get some acid free soldering flux. Optional - obtain a circuit breaker panel like this: http://tinyurl.com/2lnqz4 Run the wire, Install the shrink wrap, install the lugs, crimp them lightly, solder the lugs, shrink the shrink wrap, hook up the circuit breaker box (assuming you obtain one) and that's it. No need for #8 or #4 - you don't have anything heavy enough on that boat to require that. Just Wait For what? Even for #8 Tom, tis best to have and not nead, than to need and not have." \However to eat my own words, I think that going "marine" this, and "marine" that is a bit of over kill. I mean, I work around farm machinery that sits out in the weather for years, and will take much more of a beating than What that little skiff will ever see. And not meaning to be offensive to anyone, but going to a marina to get "marine grade" for this project is a bit overkill to the wallet instead of hardware store and automotive parts that will function fine with less pricing. Tom, if 8 g. is too big, then go 10g. it's good for about 70a. on 12v . After all, the least it will do while cranking the 25 horse (if having a hard to start spell). is slowly melt the insulation off.. ?: |
What guage wire??
On Sun, 23 Sep 2007 12:28:54 -0700, Tim wrote:
On Sep 23, 2:11 pm, Short Wave Sportfishing wrote: On Sun, 23 Sep 2007 15:19:31 -0000, wrote: I want to install my battery in the bow of my 16 foot skiff. The battery will power the starter for a 25 horse electric start evinrude. The total cable length will be 18 feet, no breaks. What guage wire do I need to use, do I need to use something as big as a car like 4 guage, or can I use 8?? How many amps does a typical 25 horse starter draw? Any help would be greatly appreciated. Go to Abuchon's and get 20 feet of #10 zip wire. You don't need anything larger than #10 - that starter doesn't require tons of amps. Assuming you have a RV type battery, get 5/16 and 3/8 lugs - crimp on. Get some shrink tubing for the lugs. Get some acid free soldering flux. Optional - obtain a circuit breaker panel like this: http://tinyurl.com/2lnqz4 Run the wire, Install the shrink wrap, install the lugs, crimp them lightly, solder the lugs, shrink the shrink wrap, hook up the circuit breaker box (assuming you obtain one) and that's it. No need for #8 or #4 - you don't have anything heavy enough on that boat to require that. Just Wait For what? Even for #8 Tom, tis best to have and not nead, than to need and not have." \However to eat my own words, I think that going "marine" this, and "marine" that is a bit of over kill. I mean, I work around farm machinery that sits out in the weather for years, and will take much more of a beating than What that little skiff will ever see. And not meaning to be offensive to anyone, but going to a marina to get "marine grade" for this project is a bit overkill to the wallet instead of hardware store and automotive parts that will function fine with less pricing. Tom, if 8 g. is too big, then go 10g. it's good for about 70a. on 12v . After all, the least it will do while cranking the 25 horse (if having a hard to start spell). is slowly melt the insulation off.. ?: Duh - that's why I said go get some #10 zip cord. They sell it by the foot. Uv resistant because they use it outside on farms. Cheap and easy to use. #8 is WAY overkill - #10 is overkill for that engine, but that's the safest. |
What guage wire??
"Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message ... On Sun, 23 Sep 2007 12:28:54 -0700, Tim wrote: On Sep 23, 2:11 pm, Short Wave Sportfishing wrote: On Sun, 23 Sep 2007 15:19:31 -0000, wrote: I want to install my battery in the bow of my 16 foot skiff. The battery will power the starter for a 25 horse electric start evinrude. The total cable length will be 18 feet, no breaks. What guage wire do I need to use, do I need to use something as big as a car like 4 guage, or can I use 8?? How many amps does a typical 25 horse starter draw? Any help would be greatly appreciated. Go to Abuchon's and get 20 feet of #10 zip wire. You don't need anything larger than #10 - that starter doesn't require tons of amps. Assuming you have a RV type battery, get 5/16 and 3/8 lugs - crimp on. Get some shrink tubing for the lugs. Get some acid free soldering flux. Optional - obtain a circuit breaker panel like this: http://tinyurl.com/2lnqz4 Run the wire, Install the shrink wrap, install the lugs, crimp them lightly, solder the lugs, shrink the shrink wrap, hook up the circuit breaker box (assuming you obtain one) and that's it. No need for #8 or #4 - you don't have anything heavy enough on that boat to require that. Just Wait For what? Even for #8 Tom, tis best to have and not nead, than to need and not have." \However to eat my own words, I think that going "marine" this, and "marine" that is a bit of over kill. I mean, I work around farm machinery that sits out in the weather for years, and will take much more of a beating than What that little skiff will ever see. And not meaning to be offensive to anyone, but going to a marina to get "marine grade" for this project is a bit overkill to the wallet instead of hardware store and automotive parts that will function fine with less pricing. Tom, if 8 g. is too big, then go 10g. it's good for about 70a. on 12v . After all, the least it will do while cranking the 25 horse (if having a hard to start spell). is slowly melt the insulation off.. ?: Duh - that's why I said go get some #10 zip cord. They sell it by the foot. Uv resistant because they use it outside on farms. Cheap and easy to use. #8 is WAY overkill - #10 is overkill for that engine, but that's the safest. I was thinking 16 ga lamp cord would do the job. -- Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com |
What guage wire??
On Sun, 23 Sep 2007 16:16:23 -0400, "Jim" wrote:
"Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message .. . On Sun, 23 Sep 2007 12:28:54 -0700, Tim wrote: On Sep 23, 2:11 pm, Short Wave Sportfishing wrote: On Sun, 23 Sep 2007 15:19:31 -0000, wrote: I want to install my battery in the bow of my 16 foot skiff. The battery will power the starter for a 25 horse electric start evinrude. The total cable length will be 18 feet, no breaks. What guage wire do I need to use, do I need to use something as big as a car like 4 guage, or can I use 8?? How many amps does a typical 25 horse starter draw? Any help would be greatly appreciated. Go to Abuchon's and get 20 feet of #10 zip wire. You don't need anything larger than #10 - that starter doesn't require tons of amps. Assuming you have a RV type battery, get 5/16 and 3/8 lugs - crimp on. Get some shrink tubing for the lugs. Get some acid free soldering flux. Optional - obtain a circuit breaker panel like this: http://tinyurl.com/2lnqz4 Run the wire, Install the shrink wrap, install the lugs, crimp them lightly, solder the lugs, shrink the shrink wrap, hook up the circuit breaker box (assuming you obtain one) and that's it. No need for #8 or #4 - you don't have anything heavy enough on that boat to require that. Just Wait For what? Even for #8 Tom, tis best to have and not nead, than to need and not have." \However to eat my own words, I think that going "marine" this, and "marine" that is a bit of over kill. I mean, I work around farm machinery that sits out in the weather for years, and will take much more of a beating than What that little skiff will ever see. And not meaning to be offensive to anyone, but going to a marina to get "marine grade" for this project is a bit overkill to the wallet instead of hardware store and automotive parts that will function fine with less pricing. Tom, if 8 g. is too big, then go 10g. it's good for about 70a. on 12v . After all, the least it will do while cranking the 25 horse (if having a hard to start spell). is slowly melt the insulation off.. ?: Duh - that's why I said go get some #10 zip cord. They sell it by the foot. Uv resistant because they use it outside on farms. Cheap and easy to use. #8 is WAY overkill - #10 is overkill for that engine, but that's the safest. I was thinking 16 ga lamp cord would do the job. #21 radio wire. Uninsulated - it's a wooden boat. :) |
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On Sep 23, 3:31 pm, Short Wave Sportfishing
wrote: On Sun, 23 Sep 2007 16:16:23 -0400, "Jim" wrote: "Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message .. . On Sun, 23 Sep 2007 12:28:54 -0700, Tim wrote: On Sep 23, 2:11 pm, Short Wave Sportfishing wrote: On Sun, 23 Sep 2007 15:19:31 -0000, wrote: I want to install my battery in the bow of my 16 foot skiff. The battery will power the starter for a 25 horse electric start evinrude. The total cable length will be 18 feet, no breaks. What guage wire do I need to use, do I need to use something as big as a car like 4 guage, or can I use 8?? How many amps does a typical 25 horse starter draw? Any help would be greatly appreciated. Go to Abuchon's and get 20 feet of #10 zip wire. You don't need anything larger than #10 - that starter doesn't require tons of amps. Assuming you have a RV type battery, get 5/16 and 3/8 lugs - crimp on. Get some shrink tubing for the lugs. Get some acid free soldering flux. Optional - obtain a circuit breaker panel like this: http://tinyurl.com/2lnqz4 Run the wire, Install the shrink wrap, install the lugs, crimp them lightly, solder the lugs, shrink the shrink wrap, hook up the circuit breaker box (assuming you obtain one) and that's it. No need for #8 or #4 - you don't have anything heavy enough on that boat to require that. Just Wait For what? Even for #8 Tom, tis best to have and not nead, than to need and not have." \However to eat my own words, I think that going "marine" this, and "marine" that is a bit of over kill. I mean, I work around farm machinery that sits out in the weather for years, and will take much more of a beating than What that little skiff will ever see. And not meaning to be offensive to anyone, but going to a marina to get "marine grade" for this project is a bit overkill to the wallet instead of hardware store and automotive parts that will function fine with less pricing. Tom, if 8 g. is too big, then go 10g. it's good for about 70a. on 12v . After all, the least it will do while cranking the 25 horse (if having a hard to start spell). is slowly melt the insulation off.. ?: Duh - that's why I said go get some #10 zip cord. They sell it by the foot. Uv resistant because they use it outside on farms. Cheap and easy to use. #8 is WAY overkill - #10 is overkill for that engine, but that's the safest. I was thinking 16 ga lamp cord would do the job. #21 radio wire. Uninsulated - it's a wooden boat. :)- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - 21? get real. Take apart an old mechanical delco voltage regulator, there you have a nice spool of 38. makes a nice *snap* with more than a 3 a 12v load! |
What guage wire??
"Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message ... Get some shrink tubing for the lugs. Get some acid free soldering flux. Never solder cable subject to vibration. Just don't do it. Or you will have to rework it in time, likely on the water. The strands will flex an break, the insulation will degrade and when few strands are left the current will burn the rest out. That is if the solder joint isn't cold or cracks. Always crimp such connections and not at the collar of the connector but in the middle and towards the eyelet. This allows the strands to flex in an arc and not a point at the collar of the crimp connector and allow flex without breakage. Gene Kerns advise above is good but I might add: Stuff some small amount of axle or non-conducting grease into the shoulder of the crimp connector after crimping. The idea is once the heat shrink has shrunk a small amount will squeeze out and no air or moisture can get in. Will last longer and not oxidize as fast. The breaker size should be 5-20% larger than the peek current draw. Don't put a 40 amp breaker on a 15 amp starter even if the wire can take more. The breaker is as much to protect battery, wire and starter. Yes, as Gene suggested if the run of wire is long, up the size a notch to compensate for resistance. And use stranded marine grade. |
What guage wire??
"Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message ... On Sun, 23 Sep 2007 16:16:23 -0400, "Jim" wrote: "Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message . .. On Sun, 23 Sep 2007 12:28:54 -0700, Tim wrote: On Sep 23, 2:11 pm, Short Wave Sportfishing wrote: On Sun, 23 Sep 2007 15:19:31 -0000, wrote: I want to install my battery in the bow of my 16 foot skiff. The battery will power the starter for a 25 horse electric start evinrude. The total cable length will be 18 feet, no breaks. What guage wire do I need to use, do I need to use something as big as a car like 4 guage, or can I use 8?? How many amps does a typical 25 horse starter draw? Any help would be greatly appreciated. Go to Abuchon's and get 20 feet of #10 zip wire. You don't need anything larger than #10 - that starter doesn't require tons of amps. Assuming you have a RV type battery, get 5/16 and 3/8 lugs - crimp on. Get some shrink tubing for the lugs. Get some acid free soldering flux. Optional - obtain a circuit breaker panel like this: http://tinyurl.com/2lnqz4 Run the wire, Install the shrink wrap, install the lugs, crimp them lightly, solder the lugs, shrink the shrink wrap, hook up the circuit breaker box (assuming you obtain one) and that's it. No need for #8 or #4 - you don't have anything heavy enough on that boat to require that. Just Wait For what? Even for #8 Tom, tis best to have and not nead, than to need and not have." \However to eat my own words, I think that going "marine" this, and "marine" that is a bit of over kill. I mean, I work around farm machinery that sits out in the weather for years, and will take much more of a beating than What that little skiff will ever see. And not meaning to be offensive to anyone, but going to a marina to get "marine grade" for this project is a bit overkill to the wallet instead of hardware store and automotive parts that will function fine with less pricing. Tom, if 8 g. is too big, then go 10g. it's good for about 70a. on 12v . After all, the least it will do while cranking the 25 horse (if having a hard to start spell). is slowly melt the insulation off.. ?: Duh - that's why I said go get some #10 zip cord. They sell it by the foot. Uv resistant because they use it outside on farms. Cheap and easy to use. #8 is WAY overkill - #10 is overkill for that engine, but that's the safest. I was thinking 16 ga lamp cord would do the job. #21 radio wire. Uninsulated - it's a wooden boat. :) Funny, I hope he does not take this seriously. Doing a quick google, a 25HP merc was 15a DC (may vary to model), for that and a 16' run I would go #8 stranded. You could use #10 but why skimp for the extra pennies. If it was a house, #12 would be plenty but this is a boat with vibration and flex. |
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On Sun, 23 Sep 2007 21:47:32 GMT, "Canuck57"
wrote: Never solder cable subject to vibration. Just don't do it. Or you will have to rework it in time, likely on the water. The strands will flex an break, the insulation will degrade and when few strands are left the current will burn the rest out. That is if the solder joint isn't cold or cracks. In the installation we are discussing, solder will strengthen the mechanical bond. Even with a production level mechanical crimper, it is almost impossible to prevent vibration from loosening the connectors. Soldering prevents that. The only truly effective battery connection is a molded lead/tin casting onto the cable and gues what... That's the same effect as soldering. |
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On Sun, 23 Sep 2007 12:28:54 -0700, Tim wrote:
Tom, if 8 g. is too big, then go 10g. it's good for about 70a. on 12v . After all, the least it will do while cranking the 25 horse (if having a hard to start spell). is slowly melt the insulation off.. ?: West Marine has some nice charts for sizing wire he http://www.westmarine.com/webapp/wcs...MarineWire.htm Unfortunately the web site leaves off the color code for wire size but it is on page 458 of the 2007 catalog. The smallest size (16 ga, medium blue) is at the bottom, followed upwards by 14 guage (red), 12 guage (yellow), etc. Since a 10% voltage drop is acceptable for a momentary load, let's use the second chart and assume a 40 amp draw for the starter motor. Following the 40 amp line to the right until we get to a round trip length of 32 to 40 feet, shows that either 8 ga or 10 ga would be acceptable. I'd probably make the conservative choice and select 8 guage. |
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On Sep 23, 5:10 pm, Short Wave Sportfishing
wrote: On Sun, 23 Sep 2007 21:47:32 GMT, "Canuck57" wrote: Never solder cable subject to vibration. Just don't do it. Or you will have to rework it in time, likely on the water. The strands will flex an break, the insulation will degrade and when few strands are left the current will burn the rest out. That is if the solder joint isn't cold or cracks. In the installation we are discussing, solder will strengthen the mechanical bond. Even with a production level mechanical crimper, it is almost impossible to prevent vibration from loosening the connectors. Soldering prevents that. The only truly effective battery connection is a molded lead/tin casting onto the cable and gues what... That's the same effect as soldering. Oh, c'mon man. Use a top post battery, get a propper fitting hose clamp, put around the battery post, Bare off about 1 inch of insullation, slide the bare wires down betweent he hose clamp and the battery post. tighten tight. That way you can always monitor the corrosion. Any job worth doing is worth doing right! |
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On Sun, 23 Sep 2007 16:12:12 -0700, Tim wrote:
On Sep 23, 5:10 pm, Short Wave Sportfishing wrote: On Sun, 23 Sep 2007 21:47:32 GMT, "Canuck57" wrote: Never solder cable subject to vibration. Just don't do it. Or you will have to rework it in time, likely on the water. The strands will flex an break, the insulation will degrade and when few strands are left the current will burn the rest out. That is if the solder joint isn't cold or cracks. In the installation we are discussing, solder will strengthen the mechanical bond. Even with a production level mechanical crimper, it is almost impossible to prevent vibration from loosening the connectors. Soldering prevents that. The only truly effective battery connection is a molded lead/tin casting onto the cable and gues what... That's the same effect as soldering. Oh, c'mon man. Use a top post battery, get a propper fitting hose clamp, put around the battery post, Bare off about 1 inch of insullation, slide the bare wires down betweent he hose clamp and the battery post. tighten tight. That way you can always monitor the corrosion. I know farmers who have the exact configuration on Super MTAs. :) Any job worth doing is worth doing right! Damn straight. |
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On Sun, 23 Sep 2007 21:47:32 GMT, Canuck57 penned the following well
considered thoughts to the readers of rec.boats: Stuff some small amount of axle or non-conducting grease into the shoulder of the crimp connector after crimping. The idea is once the heat shrink has shrunk a small amount will squeeze out and no air or moisture can get in. Will last longer and not oxidize as fast. Don't use axle grease..... use a good quality dielectric grease. I prefer Dow Corning DC-4. And the stuff is MUCH better to use in installing oil filters than oil. You will never have a stuck filter.... -- Grady-White Gulfstream, out of Oak Island, NC. Homepage http://pamandgene.idleplay.net/ Rec.boats at Lee Yeaton's Bayguide http://www.thebayguide.com/rec.boats ----------------- www.Newsgroup-Binaries.com - *Completion*Retention*Speed* Access your favorite newsgroups from home or on the road ----------------- |
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On Sun, 23 Sep 2007 22:10:43 GMT, Short Wave Sportfishing penned the
following well considered thoughts to the readers of rec.boats: On Sun, 23 Sep 2007 21:47:32 GMT, "Canuck57" wrote: Never solder cable subject to vibration. Just don't do it. Or you will have to rework it in time, likely on the water. The strands will flex an break, the insulation will degrade and when few strands are left the current will burn the rest out. That is if the solder joint isn't cold or cracks. In the installation we are discussing, solder will strengthen the mechanical bond. And increase the likelihood that you will end up with a wire in one hand and a tightly adhered 1/2 inch of wire and lug in the other. Even with a production level mechanical crimper, it is almost impossible to prevent vibration from loosening the connectors. I absolutely do not agree. Even if so, that is why we use adhesive heat shrink. Properly installed crimps with heat shrink won't work harden, corrode, and certainly won't come apart.... Soldering prevents that. The only truly effective battery connection is a molded lead/tin casting onto the cable and gues what... That's the same effect as soldering. Any it is why these things sell like hot cakes.... http://tinyurl.com/36bwhp -- Grady-White Gulfstream, out of Oak Island, NC. Homepage http://pamandgene.idleplay.net/ Rec.boats at Lee Yeaton's Bayguide http://www.thebayguide.com/rec.boats ----------------- www.Newsgroup-Binaries.com - *Completion*Retention*Speed* Access your favorite newsgroups from home or on the road ----------------- |
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On Sun, 23 Sep 2007 19:11:30 GMT, Short Wave Sportfishing penned the
following well considered thoughts to the readers of rec.boats: On Sun, 23 Sep 2007 15:19:31 -0000, wrote: I want to install my battery in the bow of my 16 foot skiff. The battery will power the starter for a 25 horse electric start evinrude. The total cable length will be 18 feet, no breaks. What guage wire do I need to use, do I need to use something as big as a car like 4 guage, or can I use 8?? How many amps does a typical 25 horse starter draw? Any help would be greatly appreciated. Go to Abuchon's and get 20 feet of #10 zip wire. You don't need anything larger than #10 - that starter doesn't require tons of amps. Lamp cord...... rigghhhttt....... The smallest marine battery cable than I know of is #8..... suppose they are trying to tell you something???? Ditto the packaged terminal set.... -- Grady-White Gulfstream, out of Oak Island, NC. Homepage http://pamandgene.idleplay.net/ Rec.boats at Lee Yeaton's Bayguide http://www.thebayguide.com/rec.boats ----------------- www.Newsgroup-Binaries.com - *Completion*Retention*Speed* Access your favorite newsgroups from home or on the road ----------------- |
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On Mon, 24 Sep 2007 10:51:40 -0400, Gene Kearns
wrote: On Sun, 23 Sep 2007 19:11:30 GMT, Short Wave Sportfishing penned the following well considered thoughts to the readers of rec.boats: On Sun, 23 Sep 2007 15:19:31 -0000, wrote: I want to install my battery in the bow of my 16 foot skiff. The battery will power the starter for a 25 horse electric start evinrude. The total cable length will be 18 feet, no breaks. What guage wire do I need to use, do I need to use something as big as a car like 4 guage, or can I use 8?? How many amps does a typical 25 horse starter draw? Any help would be greatly appreciated. Go to Abuchon's and get 20 feet of #10 zip wire. You don't need anything larger than #10 - that starter doesn't require tons of amps. Lamp cord...... rigghhhttt....... Well, for starters, it's not lamp cord. It's used on farms for repairs to tractors, milking machines and a ton of other uses where the capacity is less than required for #8. Secondly, it has heavy quage strands and is stiff as a board. The smallest marine battery cable than I know of is #8..... suppose they are trying to tell you something???? Ditto the packaged terminal set.... Wrong again. I can point you to a number of manufacturers, includin Grady White who use #10 cable in zip cord format for easier wire runs. |
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On Mon, 24 Sep 2007 10:46:25 -0400, Gene Kearns
wrote: Even with a production level mechanical crimper, it is almost impossible to prevent vibration from loosening the connectors. I absolutely do not agree. Even if so, that is why we use adhesive heat shrink. Properly installed crimps with heat shrink won't work harden, corrode, and certainly won't come apart.... Well you must be really rich then if you can do it without having a molded connector. You ought to go into buisness. :) |
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If you don't ahve access to a hose clamp, but have a drill and bit
set, then take a 1/16th inch drill bit and drill down through the top of the battery post. Shred off about an inch of insulation from the wire, and if it's multi-strand, then twist the wire till it's similar to a solid strand. Then go dig around till you find an apropriate sized sheet metal screw, wrap the wire around the screw to make a good loop, then proceed to tighten the sheet metal screw into the battery post untill it tightened firmly. This procedure is aproved by a lot of local citizen band radio technitions. Especially on older Ford, f-250, and Chevy Chyanne 4 wd pickup trucks. Short Wave Sportfishing wrote: On Sun, 23 Sep 2007 16:12:12 -0700, Tim wrote: On Sep 23, 5:10 pm, Short Wave Sportfishing wrote: On Sun, 23 Sep 2007 21:47:32 GMT, "Canuck57" wrote: Never solder cable subject to vibration. Just don't do it. Or you will have to rework it in time, likely on the water. The strands will flex an break, the insulation will degrade and when few strands are left the current will burn the rest out. That is if the solder joint isn't cold or cracks. In the installation we are discussing, solder will strengthen the mechanical bond. Even with a production level mechanical crimper, it is almost impossible to prevent vibration from loosening the connectors. Soldering prevents that. The only truly effective battery connection is a molded lead/tin casting onto the cable and gues what... That's the same effect as soldering. Oh, c'mon man. Use a top post battery, get a propper fitting hose clamp, put around the battery post, Bare off about 1 inch of insullation, slide the bare wires down betweent he hose clamp and the battery post. tighten tight. That way you can always monitor the corrosion. I know farmers who have the exact configuration on Super MTAs. :) Any job worth doing is worth doing right! Damn straight. |
What guage wire??
"Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message ... Lamp cord...... rigghhhttt....... Well, for starters, it's not lamp cord. It's used on farms for repairs to tractors, milking machines and a ton of other uses where the capacity is less than required for #8. It isn't just about capacity. It is that your motor turns and vibrates. In a car, it doesn't turn or vibrate as much. Nether in your home. And is the "lamp" cord braded and have a metal composition that flexes when you turn the motor? Does it have enough braded strands enough to take 5000 turns? I can point you to a number of manufacturers, includin Grady White who use #10 cable in zip cord format for easier wire runs. They just might. From the fuse box to the non-moving instrument panel. But this dude is attaching it to a pivoting motor. |
What guage wire??
On Tue, 25 Sep 2007 00:51:06 GMT, "Canuck57"
wrote: "Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message .. . Lamp cord...... rigghhhttt....... Well, for starters, it's not lamp cord. It's used on farms for repairs to tractors, milking machines and a ton of other uses where the capacity is less than required for #8. It isn't just about capacity. It is that your motor turns and vibrates. In a car, it doesn't turn or vibrate as much. Nether in your home. And is the "lamp" cord braded and have a metal composition that flexes when you turn the motor? Does it have enough braded strands enough to take 5000 turns? I can point you to a number of manufacturers, includin Grady White who use #10 cable in zip cord format for easier wire runs. They just might. From the fuse box to the non-moving instrument panel. But this dude is attaching it to a pivoting motor. The engine uses a molded connector on flexible cable supplied from Johnson. There is no solid wire to the engine. Any more comments? |
What guage wire??
On Sep 24, 8:18 pm, Short Wave Sportfishing
wrote: There is no solid wire to the engine. Any more comments Certianly Tom, what do you wish to know? |
What guage wire??
On Sep 25, 12:59 am, Tim wrote:
On Sep 24, 8:18 pm, Short Wave Sportfishing wrote: There is no solid wire to the engine. Any more comments Certianly Tom, what do you wish to know? Hrumph... uh, Tom already knows everything, just ask him;) |
What guage wire??
On Tue, 25 Sep 2007 06:36:33 -0000,
wrote: On Sep 25, 12:59 am, Tim wrote: On Sep 24, 8:18 pm, Short Wave Sportfishing wrote: There is no solid wire to the engine. Any more comments Certianly Tom, what do you wish to know? Hrumph... uh, Tom already knows everything, just ask him;) It's a tremendous burden, but I carry it willingly. |
What guage wire??
On Sep 25, 1:36 am, wrote:
On Sep 25, 12:59 am, Tim wrote: On Sep 24, 8:18 pm, Short Wave Sportfishing wrote: There is no solid wire to the engine. Any more comments Certianly Tom, what do you wish to know? Hrumph... uh, Tom already knows everything, just ask him;) Well, before I cleaned off the question mark, his statement was actually: Any more comments? Which sort of leaves a bit of doubt concerning total knowledge.... |
What guage wire??
On Tue, 25 Sep 2007 03:27:29 -0700, Tim wrote:
On Sep 25, 1:36 am, wrote: On Sep 25, 12:59 am, Tim wrote: On Sep 24, 8:18 pm, Short Wave Sportfishing wrote: There is no solid wire to the engine. Any more comments Certianly Tom, what do you wish to know? Hrumph... uh, Tom already knows everything, just ask him;) Well, before I cleaned off the question mark, his statement was actually: Any more comments? Which sort of leaves a bit of doubt concerning total knowledge.... Ask the Oracle of Woodstock - go ahead ask... |
What guage wire??
On Sep 25, 5:35 am, Short Wave Sportfishing
wrote: On Tue, 25 Sep 2007 03:27:29 -0700, Tim wrote: On Sep 25, 1:36 am, wrote: On Sep 25, 12:59 am, Tim wrote: On Sep 24, 8:18 pm, Short Wave Sportfishing wrote: There is no solid wire to the engine. Any more comments Certianly Tom, what do you wish to know? Hrumph... uh, Tom already knows everything, just ask him;) Well, before I cleaned off the question mark, his statement was actually: Any more comments? Which sort of leaves a bit of doubt concerning total knowledge.... Ask the Oracle of Woodstock - go ahead ask...- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - ask what? ?: |
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On Sep 25, 5:38 am, Tim wrote:
On Sep 25, 5:35 am, Short Wave Sportfishing wrote: On Tue, 25 Sep 2007 03:27:29 -0700, Tim wrote: On Sep 25, 1:36 am, wrote: On Sep 25, 12:59 am, Tim wrote: On Sep 24, 8:18 pm, Short Wave Sportfishing wrote: There is no solid wire to the engine. Any more comments Certianly Tom, what do you wish to know? Hrumph... uh, Tom already knows everything, just ask him;) Well, before I cleaned off the question mark, his statement was actually: Any more comments? Which sort of leaves a bit of doubt concerning total knowledge.... Ask the Oracle of Woodstock - go ahead ask...- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - ask what? ?: - Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - OK i got it, O great sage, is it permissible to tighten loose battery cables, by running a large screw down between the clamp and the battery post? I ahve seen it done on many ocasion, but is it permissible? |
What guage wire??
Tim wrote:
On Sep 25, 5:38 am, Tim wrote: On Sep 25, 5:35 am, Short Wave Sportfishing wrote: On Tue, 25 Sep 2007 03:27:29 -0700, Tim wrote: On Sep 25, 1:36 am, wrote: On Sep 25, 12:59 am, Tim wrote: On Sep 24, 8:18 pm, Short Wave Sportfishing wrote: There is no solid wire to the engine. Any more comments Certianly Tom, what do you wish to know? Hrumph... uh, Tom already knows everything, just ask him;) Well, before I cleaned off the question mark, his statement was actually: Any more comments? Which sort of leaves a bit of doubt concerning total knowledge.... Ask the Oracle of Woodstock - go ahead ask...- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - ask what? ?: - Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - OK i got it, O great sage, is it permissible to tighten loose battery cables, by running a large screw down between the clamp and the battery post? I ahve seen it done on many ocasion, but is it permissible? NO it is not! and if SWF was really an oracle, you wouldn't have to ask the question, he would know your question before you asked it. |
What guage wire??
On Tue, 25 Sep 2007 06:47:46 -0400, "Reginald P. Smithers III"
wrote: Tim wrote: On Sep 25, 5:38 am, Tim wrote: On Sep 25, 5:35 am, Short Wave Sportfishing wrote: On Tue, 25 Sep 2007 03:27:29 -0700, Tim wrote: On Sep 25, 1:36 am, wrote: On Sep 25, 12:59 am, Tim wrote: On Sep 24, 8:18 pm, Short Wave Sportfishing wrote: There is no solid wire to the engine. Any more comments Certianly Tom, what do you wish to know? Hrumph... uh, Tom already knows everything, just ask him;) Well, before I cleaned off the question mark, his statement was actually: Any more comments? Which sort of leaves a bit of doubt concerning total knowledge.... Ask the Oracle of Woodstock - go ahead ask...- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - ask what? ?: - Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - OK i got it, O great sage, is it permissible to tighten loose battery cables, by running a large screw down between the clamp and the battery post? I ahve seen it done on many ocasion, but is it permissible? NO it is not! and if SWF was really an oracle, you wouldn't have to ask the question, he would know your question before you asked it. Wrong again, hypothetical boat boy... I am an Oracle in the Tibetan tradition. In Tibet, oracles have played, and continue to play, an important part in religion and government. The word "oracle" is used by Tibetans to refer to the spirit that enters those men and women who act as media between the natural and the spiritual realms. The media are, therefore, known as kuten, which literally means, "the physical basis". As such, it is my role to provide quidance to the correct answer - not provide it. |
What guage wire??
On Tue, 25 Sep 2007 03:42:14 -0700, Tim wrote:
On Sep 25, 5:38 am, Tim wrote: On Sep 25, 5:35 am, Short Wave Sportfishing wrote: On Tue, 25 Sep 2007 03:27:29 -0700, Tim wrote: On Sep 25, 1:36 am, wrote: On Sep 25, 12:59 am, Tim wrote: On Sep 24, 8:18 pm, Short Wave Sportfishing wrote: There is no solid wire to the engine. Any more comments Certianly Tom, what do you wish to know? Hrumph... uh, Tom already knows everything, just ask him;) Well, before I cleaned off the question mark, his statement was actually: Any more comments? Which sort of leaves a bit of doubt concerning total knowledge.... Ask the Oracle of Woodstock - go ahead ask...- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - ask what? ?: - Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - OK i got it, O great sage, is it permissible to tighten loose battery cables, by running a large screw down between the clamp and the battery post? I ahve seen it done on many ocasion, but is it permissible? OOOOOOOOOMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM...... One does what one must. OOOOOOOOOMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM..... |
What guage wire??
Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
On Tue, 25 Sep 2007 06:47:46 -0400, "Reginald P. Smithers III" wrote: Tim wrote: On Sep 25, 5:38 am, Tim wrote: On Sep 25, 5:35 am, Short Wave Sportfishing wrote: On Tue, 25 Sep 2007 03:27:29 -0700, Tim wrote: On Sep 25, 1:36 am, wrote: On Sep 25, 12:59 am, Tim wrote: On Sep 24, 8:18 pm, Short Wave Sportfishing wrote: There is no solid wire to the engine. Any more comments Certianly Tom, what do you wish to know? Hrumph... uh, Tom already knows everything, just ask him;) Well, before I cleaned off the question mark, his statement was actually: Any more comments? Which sort of leaves a bit of doubt concerning total knowledge.... Ask the Oracle of Woodstock - go ahead ask...- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - ask what? ?: - Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - OK i got it, O great sage, is it permissible to tighten loose battery cables, by running a large screw down between the clamp and the battery post? I ahve seen it done on many ocasion, but is it permissible? NO it is not! and if SWF was really an oracle, you wouldn't have to ask the question, he would know your question before you asked it. Wrong again, hypothetical boat boy... I am an Oracle in the Tibetan tradition. In Tibet, oracles have played, and continue to play, an important part in religion and government. The word "oracle" is used by Tibetans to refer to the spirit that enters those men and women who act as media between the natural and the spiritual realms. The media are, therefore, known as kuten, which literally means, "the physical basis". As such, it is my role to provide quidance to the correct answer - not provide it. Ok, provide me some guidance as to where I should stick my hypothetical boat. ;) |
What guage wire??
On Tue, 25 Sep 2007 07:47:25 -0400, "Reginald P. Smithers III"
wrote: Short Wave Sportfishing wrote: On Tue, 25 Sep 2007 06:47:46 -0400, "Reginald P. Smithers III" wrote: Tim wrote: On Sep 25, 5:38 am, Tim wrote: On Sep 25, 5:35 am, Short Wave Sportfishing wrote: On Tue, 25 Sep 2007 03:27:29 -0700, Tim wrote: On Sep 25, 1:36 am, wrote: On Sep 25, 12:59 am, Tim wrote: On Sep 24, 8:18 pm, Short Wave Sportfishing wrote: There is no solid wire to the engine. Any more comments Certianly Tom, what do you wish to know? Hrumph... uh, Tom already knows everything, just ask him;) Well, before I cleaned off the question mark, his statement was actually: Any more comments? Which sort of leaves a bit of doubt concerning total knowledge.... Ask the Oracle of Woodstock - go ahead ask...- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - ask what? ?: - Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - OK i got it, O great sage, is it permissible to tighten loose battery cables, by running a large screw down between the clamp and the battery post? I ahve seen it done on many ocasion, but is it permissible? NO it is not! and if SWF was really an oracle, you wouldn't have to ask the question, he would know your question before you asked it. Wrong again, hypothetical boat boy... I am an Oracle in the Tibetan tradition. In Tibet, oracles have played, and continue to play, an important part in religion and government. The word "oracle" is used by Tibetans to refer to the spirit that enters those men and women who act as media between the natural and the spiritual realms. The media are, therefore, known as kuten, which literally means, "the physical basis". As such, it is my role to provide quidance to the correct answer - not provide it. Ok, provide me some guidance as to where I should stick my hypothetical boat. ;) OOOOOOOOMMMMMMMMMMMMM..... Where ever it fits most comfortably OOOOOOOOMMMMMMMMMMMMM.... |
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