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Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
". As such, it is my role to provide quidance to the correct answer - not provide it. Ok, provide me some guidance as to where I should stick my hypothetical boat. ;) OOOOOOOOMMMMMMMMMMMMM..... Where ever it fits most comfortably OOOOOOOOMMMMMMMMMMMMM.... Bend over |
What guage wire??
On Mon, 24 Sep 2007 15:51:35 GMT, Short Wave Sportfishing penned the
following well considered thoughts to the readers of rec.boats: Go to Abuchon's and get 20 feet of #10 zip wire. You don't need anything larger than #10 - that starter doesn't require tons of amps. Lamp cord...... rigghhhttt....... Well, for starters, it's not lamp cord. It's used on farms for repairs to tractors, milking machines and a ton of other uses where the capacity is less than required for #8. Secondly, it has heavy quage strands and is stiff as a board. http://www.jscwire.com/jsc_partspage.taf?esid=43 It is a poor grade of wire which comes under the same standards as lamp cord(UL 62). It meets NONE of the boating requirements set forth under UL, ABYC, NFPA, USCG, etc. It is does not meet the requirements of UL 1426, it is not a tinned conductor, it doesn't meet the required voltage rating, it isn't colored the right colors for marine DC, it is not marked with type/style, voltage, wire size or temperature rating, nor is it flame retardant or moisture resistant I/A/W requirements of UL 83. It is not the type of wire I would use on my boat and I would not advise others to do so, either. The smallest marine battery cable than I know of is #8..... suppose they are trying to tell you something???? Ditto the packaged terminal set.... Wrong again. Ok, check this page out. It sets forth "Sal****er Primary Cable" as apart from "Zip Parallel Lamp Cord Wire" and stops of at #8 for the smallest "Battery and Starter Cable." http://www.hi-line.com/wirecable-sal...imarycable/174 I can point you to a number of manufacturers, includin Grady White who use #10 cable in zip cord format for easier wire runs. That is simply ridiculous... and so demonstrably wrong. The following boats are manufactured to ABYC standards..... and you aren't going to find any (non-ABYC standard) "Zip Wire" in any of them..... (unless it is either speaker wire or somebody other than the manufacturer put it there). http://www.discoverboating.com/buyin...ied/boats.aspx -- Grady-White Gulfstream, out of Oak Island, NC. Homepage http://pamandgene.idleplay.net/ Rec.boats at Lee Yeaton's Bayguide http://www.thebayguide.com/rec.boats ----------------- www.Newsgroup-Binaries.com - *Completion*Retention*Speed* Access your favorite newsgroups from home or on the road ----------------- |
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On Tue, 25 Sep 2007 10:40:37 -0400, Gene Kearns
wrote: On Mon, 24 Sep 2007 15:51:35 GMT, Short Wave Sportfishing penned the following well considered thoughts to the readers of rec.boats: Go to Abuchon's and get 20 feet of #10 zip wire. You don't need anything larger than #10 - that starter doesn't require tons of amps. Lamp cord...... rigghhhttt....... Well, for starters, it's not lamp cord. It's used on farms for repairs to tractors, milking machines and a ton of other uses where the capacity is less than required for #8. Secondly, it has heavy quage strands and is stiff as a board. http://www.jscwire.com/jsc_partspage.taf?esid=43 It is a poor grade of wire which comes under the same standards as lamp cord(UL 62). It meets NONE of the boating requirements set forth under UL, ABYC, NFPA, USCG, etc. It is does not meet the requirements of UL 1426, it is not a tinned conductor, it doesn't meet the required voltage rating, it isn't colored the right colors for marine DC, it is not marked with type/style, voltage, wire size or temperature rating, nor is it flame retardant or moisture resistant I/A/W requirements of UL 83. It is not the type of wire I would use on my boat and I would not advise others to do so, either. The smallest marine battery cable than I know of is #8..... suppose they are trying to tell you something???? Ditto the packaged terminal set.... Wrong again. Ok, check this page out. It sets forth "Sal****er Primary Cable" as apart from "Zip Parallel Lamp Cord Wire" and stops of at #8 for the smallest "Battery and Starter Cable." http://www.hi-line.com/wirecable-sal...imarycable/174 I can point you to a number of manufacturers, includin Grady White who use #10 cable in zip cord format for easier wire runs. That is simply ridiculous... and so demonstrably wrong. The following boats are manufactured to ABYC standards..... and you aren't going to find any (non-ABYC standard) "Zip Wire" in any of them..... (unless it is either speaker wire or somebody other than the manufacturer put it there). http://www.discoverboating.com/buyin...ied/boats.aspx What ever. |
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On Tue, 25 Sep 2007 06:36:33 -0000,
wrote: Tom already knows everything, just ask him;) But does he know what he doesn't know? |
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Wayne.B wrote:
On Tue, 25 Sep 2007 06:36:33 -0000, wrote: Tom already knows everything, just ask him;) But does he know what he doesn't know? That really is the most important part of knowledge. |
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On Sep 25, 1:50 pm, Wayne.B wrote:
On Tue, 25 Sep 2007 06:36:33 -0000, wrote: Tom already knows everything, just ask him;) But does he know what he doesn't know? Uh, I dunno' |
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"Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message ... On Tue, 25 Sep 2007 06:47:46 -0400, "Reginald P. Smithers III" wrote: Tim wrote: On Sep 25, 5:38 am, Tim wrote: On Sep 25, 5:35 am, Short Wave Sportfishing wrote: On Tue, 25 Sep 2007 03:27:29 -0700, Tim wrote: On Sep 25, 1:36 am, wrote: On Sep 25, 12:59 am, Tim wrote: On Sep 24, 8:18 pm, Short Wave Sportfishing wrote: There is no solid wire to the engine. Any more comments Certianly Tom, what do you wish to know? Hrumph... uh, Tom already knows everything, just ask him;) Well, before I cleaned off the question mark, his statement was actually: Any more comments? Which sort of leaves a bit of doubt concerning total knowledge.... Ask the Oracle of Woodstock - go ahead ask...- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - ask what? ?: - Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - OK i got it, O great sage, is it permissible to tighten loose battery cables, by running a large screw down between the clamp and the battery post? I ahve seen it done on many ocasion, but is it permissible? NO it is not! and if SWF was really an oracle, you wouldn't have to ask the question, he would know your question before you asked it. Wrong again, hypothetical boat boy... I am an Oracle in the Tibetan tradition. In Tibet, oracles have played, and continue to play, an important part in religion and government. The word "oracle" is used by Tibetans to refer to the spirit that enters those men and women who act as media between the natural and the spiritual realms. The media are, therefore, known as kuten, which literally means, "the physical basis". As such, it is my role to provide quidance to the correct answer - not provide it. The new Cleave Cussler novel of the Oregon Files has a Tibetan oracle. Also a fun read book. |
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On Tue, 25 Sep 2007 15:03:41 -0700, "Calif Bill"
wrote: "Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message .. . On Tue, 25 Sep 2007 06:47:46 -0400, "Reginald P. Smithers III" wrote: Tim wrote: On Sep 25, 5:38 am, Tim wrote: On Sep 25, 5:35 am, Short Wave Sportfishing wrote: On Tue, 25 Sep 2007 03:27:29 -0700, Tim wrote: On Sep 25, 1:36 am, wrote: On Sep 25, 12:59 am, Tim wrote: On Sep 24, 8:18 pm, Short Wave Sportfishing wrote: There is no solid wire to the engine. Any more comments Certianly Tom, what do you wish to know? Hrumph... uh, Tom already knows everything, just ask him;) Well, before I cleaned off the question mark, his statement was actually: Any more comments? Which sort of leaves a bit of doubt concerning total knowledge.... Ask the Oracle of Woodstock - go ahead ask...- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - ask what? ?: - Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - OK i got it, O great sage, is it permissible to tighten loose battery cables, by running a large screw down between the clamp and the battery post? I ahve seen it done on many ocasion, but is it permissible? NO it is not! and if SWF was really an oracle, you wouldn't have to ask the question, he would know your question before you asked it. Wrong again, hypothetical boat boy... I am an Oracle in the Tibetan tradition. In Tibet, oracles have played, and continue to play, an important part in religion and government. The word "oracle" is used by Tibetans to refer to the spirit that enters those men and women who act as media between the natural and the spiritual realms. The media are, therefore, known as kuten, which literally means, "the physical basis". As such, it is my role to provide quidance to the correct answer - not provide it. The new Cleave Cussler novel of the Oregon Files has a Tibetan oracle. Also a fun read book. It's Clive and yeah - I picked it up the other day. Haven't started it yet - got a couple to get through first. |
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On Sep 25, 6:34 am, Short Wave Sportfishing
wrote: As such, it is my role to provide quidance to the correct answer - not provide it Still waiting on the answer to tightening a loose battery cable to a battery post with a sheet metal screw (maybe more than one. But if more time is requied, then how about tightening a loose battery cable end by cutting a shim out of sodie pop can, wrapping it tightly around the battery post, then hammering the cable end down over the wrapping to make a snug fit. I know it's possible, 'cuz i seen it done before. but.... is it permissable? |
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On Tue, 25 Sep 2007 08:05:33 -0400, "Reginald P. Smithers III"
wrote: Short Wave Sportfishing wrote: ". As such, it is my role to provide quidance to the correct answer - not provide it. Ok, provide me some guidance as to where I should stick my hypothetical boat. ;) OOOOOOOOMMMMMMMMMMMMM..... Where ever it fits most comfortably OOOOOOOOMMMMMMMMMMMMM.... Bend over I am merely the conduit for advice. I do not participate in the mundane doings of mortal supplicants. |
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On Sep 25, 7:11 pm, Short Wave Sportfishing
wrote: On Tue, 25 Sep 2007 08:05:33 -0400, "Reginald P. Smithers III" wrote: Short Wave Sportfishing wrote: ". As such, it is my role to provide quidance to the correct answer - not provide it. Ok, provide me some guidance as to where I should stick my hypothetical boat. ;) OOOOOOOOMMMMMMMMMMMMM..... Where ever it fits most comfortably OOOOOOOOMMMMMMMMMMMMM.... Bend over I am merely the conduit for advice. I do not participate in the mundane doings of mortal supplicants.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Conduit? no, man... We're talking battery cables and wire! |
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On Tue, 25 Sep 2007 23:57:49 -0000, Tim wrote:
On Sep 25, 6:34 am, Short Wave Sportfishing wrote: As such, it is my role to provide quidance to the correct answer - not provide it Still waiting on the answer to tightening a loose battery cable to a battery post with a sheet metal screw (maybe more than one. OOOOOMMMMMMM Get a decent news server. OOOOOMMMMMMM And a decent news reader. OOOOOMMMMMMM..... The question has been answered and presented but you have chosen the path of the Luddite in your quest to be cheap. It was answered thusly: OOOOOOOOOMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM...... One does what one must. OOOOOOOOOMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM..... Or not. OOOOOOOOMMMMMMMMMMMM... But if more time is requied, then how about tightening a loose battery cable end by cutting a shim out of sodie pop can, wrapping it tightly around the battery post, then hammering the cable end down over the wrapping to make a snug fit. I know it's possible, 'cuz i seen it done before. but.... is it permissable? OOOOOOMMMMMMMMM..... The answer is relevant to the universal constant. To wit: OOOOOOMMMMMMMMM... One does what one must. OOOOOOMMMMMMMMM.... Or not. OOOOOOOMMMMMMM.... |
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On Sep 25, 7:17 pm, Short Wave Sportfishing
wrote: On Tue, 25 Sep 2007 23:57:49 -0000, Tim wrote: On Sep 25, 6:34 am, Short Wave Sportfishing wrote: As such, it is my role to provide quidance to the correct answer - not provide it Still waiting on the answer to tightening a loose battery cable to a battery post with a sheet metal screw (maybe more than one. OOOOOMMMMMMM Get a decent news server. OOOOOMMMMMMM And a decent news reader. OOOOOMMMMMMM..... The question has been answered and presented but you have chosen the path of the Luddite in your quest to be cheap. It was answered thusly: OOOOOOOOOMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM...... One does what one must. OOOOOOOOOMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM..... Or not. OOOOOOOOMMMMMMMMMMMM... But if more time is requied, then how about tightening a loose battery cable end by cutting a shim out of sodie pop can, wrapping it tightly around the battery post, then hammering the cable end down over the wrapping to make a snug fit. I know it's possible, 'cuz i seen it done before. but.... is it permissable? OOOOOOMMMMMMMMM..... The answer is relevant to the universal constant. To wit: OOOOOOMMMMMMMMM... One does what one must. OOOOOOMMMMMMMMM.... Or not. OOOOOOOMMMMMMM.... Tom, I have now calmed down from sheer laughter, to once be able to type. I have coughed various substances from clouded lungs, and have burned my eyes with tears. I have now wiped the sweat off my brow, and uncapped and slugging away at a cold bottle of ice water. That was great. I'll sleep better tonight. Proverbs 17:22 For such, I thank you. OOOOOOOMMMMMMM.... Have you considered making Yellow Pages ads? |
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On Wed, 26 Sep 2007 00:15:33 -0000, Tim wrote:
On Sep 25, 7:11 pm, Short Wave Sportfishing wrote: On Tue, 25 Sep 2007 08:05:33 -0400, "Reginald P. Smithers III" wrote: Short Wave Sportfishing wrote: ". As such, it is my role to provide quidance to the correct answer - not provide it. Ok, provide me some guidance as to where I should stick my hypothetical boat. ;) OOOOOOOOMMMMMMMMMMMMM..... Where ever it fits most comfortably OOOOOOOOMMMMMMMMMMMMM.... Bend over I am merely the conduit for advice. I do not participate in the mundane doings of mortal supplicants.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Conduit? no, man... We're talking battery cables and wire! OOOOOOMMMMMMM.... Never mess with the Shaman or Oracle. OOOOOOMMMMMM..... Think about it. OOOOOOMMMMMM..... |
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On Tue, 25 Sep 2007 23:57:49 -0000, Tim wrote:
On Sep 25, 6:34 am, Short Wave Sportfishing wrote: As such, it is my role to provide quidance to the correct answer - not provide it Still waiting on the answer to tightening a loose battery cable to a battery post with a sheet metal screw (maybe more than one. But if more time is requied, then how about tightening a loose battery cable end by cutting a shim out of sodie pop can, wrapping it tightly around the battery post, then hammering the cable end down over the wrapping to make a snug fit. I know it's possible, 'cuz i seen it done before. You have my permission. But first... A Southern Illinois auto parts rebuilder named Tim moved to Vermont to become a "Gentleman Farmer." He was just tired of oily parts, and really enjoyed maple syrup, which was hard to find locally. His farm in Vermont went fairly well, and his first tapping of maple trees went well. His neighbor, an elderly farmer named Cobb, was reticent, impossible to get to talking, but a nice enough feller. A mule was part of the farm deal, and the transplanted Illini enjoyed skinning it to pull boulders off some land where he wanted to plant another stand of maples. He got real attached to the mule. Winter came, and the mule got sick, with a runny nose and general lethargy. Before calling a vet, Tim figured he'd ask Cobb about it first since Cobb had his own mule. He walked over to Cobb's, found him bucking a log. Tim explained what symptoms the mule was showing, and asked Cobb if his mule ever got sick like that. "Nope." About to leave to get the vet, he asked Cobb if he had seen any mule sick like that. "Yep. My last mule did." Well, Tim asked, how did you treat him? "Gave him a quart of turpentine." Thank You! said Tim. Tim went back home, fetched a quart of turpentine from the shed and went to the barn. His mule was down and now had labored breathing. Tim cradled the heavy mule head in his lap and prying the jaws open, poured the turpentine down the mule's throat. The mule took a couple deep breaths, stood up, got on his hind legs, then toppled over dead, legs in the air. Tim went back to Cobb, who was still sawing wood. Well, said Tim, I gave Guss the turpentine like you said, and it killed him. "Yep. Killed mine too." Now don't mistake me for Cobb, or yourself for Tim, but I have to tell that the last time I pounded a fitting onto a battery terminal the damn terminal fell right into the battery. --Vic on a bunted at |
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On Sep 25, 7:33 pm, Vic Smith wrote:
Now don't mistake me for Cobb, or yourself for Tim, Bu..bu..but.... I AM Tim (?) |
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On Wed, 26 Sep 2007 00:27:31 -0000, Tim wrote:
On Sep 25, 7:17 pm, Short Wave Sportfishing wrote: On Tue, 25 Sep 2007 23:57:49 -0000, Tim wrote: On Sep 25, 6:34 am, Short Wave Sportfishing wrote: As such, it is my role to provide quidance to the correct answer - not provide it Still waiting on the answer to tightening a loose battery cable to a battery post with a sheet metal screw (maybe more than one. OOOOOMMMMMMM Get a decent news server. OOOOOMMMMMMM And a decent news reader. OOOOOMMMMMMM..... The question has been answered and presented but you have chosen the path of the Luddite in your quest to be cheap. It was answered thusly: OOOOOOOOOMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM...... One does what one must. OOOOOOOOOMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM..... Or not. OOOOOOOOMMMMMMMMMMMM... But if more time is requied, then how about tightening a loose battery cable end by cutting a shim out of sodie pop can, wrapping it tightly around the battery post, then hammering the cable end down over the wrapping to make a snug fit. I know it's possible, 'cuz i seen it done before. but.... is it permissable? OOOOOOMMMMMMMMM..... The answer is relevant to the universal constant. To wit: OOOOOOMMMMMMMMM... One does what one must. OOOOOOMMMMMMMMM.... Or not. OOOOOOOMMMMMMM.... Tom, I have now calmed down from sheer laughter, to once be able to type. I have coughed various substances from clouded lungs, and have burned my eyes with tears. I have now wiped the sweat off my brow, and uncapped and slugging away at a cold bottle of ice water. That was great. I'll sleep better tonight. Proverbs 17:22 For such, I thank you. I live to serve. OOOOOOOMMMMMMM.... Have you considered making Yellow Pages ads? No. |
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A Southern Illinois auto parts rebuilder named Tim moved to Vermont to become a "Gentleman Farmer."
oops! I missed that one too. |
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On Wed, 26 Sep 2007 00:37:53 -0000, Tim wrote:
On Sep 25, 7:33 pm, Vic Smith wrote: Now don't mistake me for Cobb, or yourself for Tim, Bu..bu..but.... I AM Tim (?) Damn. I thought you were Tom...or was it Jim. (-: |
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On Wed, 26 Sep 2007 00:39:16 -0000, Tim wrote:
A Southern Illinois auto parts rebuilder named Tim moved to Vermont to become a "Gentleman Farmer." oops! I missed that one too. I'll try not to use a lot them pesky words next time. Starting to feel like Chuck, anyway, without the fog. |
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On Sep 25, 7:39 pm, Short Wave Sportfishing
wrote: On Wed, 26 Sep 2007 00:27:31 -0000, Tim wrote: On Sep 25, 7:17 pm, Short Wave Sportfishing wrote: On Tue, 25 Sep 2007 23:57:49 -0000, Tim wrote: On Sep 25, 6:34 am, Short Wave Sportfishing wrote: As such, it is my role to provide quidance to the correct answer - not provide it Still waiting on the answer to tightening a loose battery cable to a battery post with a sheet metal screw (maybe more than one. OOOOOMMMMMMM Get a decent news server. OOOOOMMMMMMM And a decent news reader. OOOOOMMMMMMM..... The question has been answered and presented but you have chosen the path of the Luddite in your quest to be cheap. It was answered thusly: OOOOOOOOOMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM...... One does what one must. OOOOOOOOOMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM..... Or not. OOOOOOOOMMMMMMMMMMMM... But if more time is requied, then how about tightening a loose battery cable end by cutting a shim out of sodie pop can, wrapping it tightly around the battery post, then hammering the cable end down over the wrapping to make a snug fit. I know it's possible, 'cuz i seen it done before. but.... is it permissable? OOOOOOMMMMMMMMM..... The answer is relevant to the universal constant. To wit: OOOOOOMMMMMMMMM... One does what one must. OOOOOOMMMMMMMMM.... Or not. OOOOOOOMMMMMMM.... Tom, I have now calmed down from sheer laughter, to once be able to type. I have coughed various substances from clouded lungs, and have burned my eyes with tears. I have now wiped the sweat off my brow, and uncapped and slugging away at a cold bottle of ice water. That was great. I'll sleep better tonight. Proverbs 17:22 For such, I thank you. I live to serve. I'll have a number 6 super-sized with a coke! OOOOOOOMMMMMMM.... Have you considered making Yellow Pages ads? No please do |
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On Tue, 25 Sep 2007 19:33:54 -0500, Vic Smith
wrote: On Tue, 25 Sep 2007 23:57:49 -0000, Tim wrote: On Sep 25, 6:34 am, Short Wave Sportfishing wrote: As such, it is my role to provide quidance to the correct answer - not provide it Still waiting on the answer to tightening a loose battery cable to a battery post with a sheet metal screw (maybe more than one. But if more time is requied, then how about tightening a loose battery cable end by cutting a shim out of sodie pop can, wrapping it tightly around the battery post, then hammering the cable end down over the wrapping to make a snug fit. I know it's possible, 'cuz i seen it done before. You have my permission. But first... A Southern Illinois auto parts rebuilder named Tim moved to Vermont to become a "Gentleman Farmer." He was just tired of oily parts, and really enjoyed maple syrup, which was hard to find locally. His farm in Vermont went fairly well, and his first tapping of maple trees went well. His neighbor, an elderly farmer named Cobb, was reticent, impossible to get to talking, but a nice enough feller. A mule was part of the farm deal, and the transplanted Illini enjoyed skinning it to pull boulders off some land where he wanted to plant another stand of maples. He got real attached to the mule. Winter came, and the mule got sick, with a runny nose and general lethargy. Before calling a vet, Tim figured he'd ask Cobb about it first since Cobb had his own mule. He walked over to Cobb's, found him bucking a log. Tim explained what symptoms the mule was showing, and asked Cobb if his mule ever got sick like that. "Nope." About to leave to get the vet, he asked Cobb if he had seen any mule sick like that. "Yep. My last mule did." Well, Tim asked, how did you treat him? "Gave him a quart of turpentine." Thank You! said Tim. Tim went back home, fetched a quart of turpentine from the shed and went to the barn. His mule was down and now had labored breathing. Tim cradled the heavy mule head in his lap and prying the jaws open, poured the turpentine down the mule's throat. The mule took a couple deep breaths, stood up, got on his hind legs, then toppled over dead, legs in the air. Tim went back to Cobb, who was still sawing wood. Well, said Tim, I gave Guss the turpentine like you said, and it killed him. "Yep. Killed mine too." Now don't mistake me for Cobb, or yourself for Tim, but I have to tell that the last time I pounded a fitting onto a battery terminal the damn terminal fell right into the battery. --Vic on a bunted at LOL! |
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I solder all my wires. Evry crimp connection I have seen on a boat that was
more than a few years old had developed noticable resistance and voltage drop. "Gene Kearns" wrote in message ... On Sun, 23 Sep 2007 13:24:52 -0400, Ernest Scribbler penned the following well considered thoughts to the readers of rec.boats: "Gene Kearns" wrote Crimp the lugs (no solder) Whyzzat? We use stranded wire on most everything but houses... reason being it stays pliable, is resistant to work hardening, and isn't brittle and overly subject to breakage. The moment you solder a stranded wire you have created (at that point) a solid wire and a stress riser... with all of the ensuing problems.... which are unsatisfactory for a vibrating... whatever... which surely includes boats. If you can support the wire you might get away with it, however, a battery cable end is, by definition under stress at best... -- Grady-White Gulfstream, out of Oak Island, NC. Homepage http://pamandgene.idleplay.net/ Rec.boats at Lee Yeaton's Bayguide http://www.thebayguide.com/rec.boats --- avast! Antivirus: Outbound message clean. Virus Database (VPS): 071111-0, 11/11/2007 Tested on: 11/11/2007 2:49:31 PM avast! - copyright (c) 1988-2007 ALWIL Software. http://www.avast.com |
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wrote in message ... On Sun, 11 Nov 2007 14:49:26 -0500, Gene Kearns wrote: The moment you solder a stranded wire you have created (at that point) a solid wire and a stress riser... with all of the ensuing problems.... which are unsatisfactory for a vibrating... whatever... which surely includes boats. If you can support the wire you might get away with it, however, a battery cable end is, by definition under stress at best... I agree. In addition, if you don't wash all the flux off you will invite corrosion. The best connections will also get some silicone grease or similar sealant and shrink tube which protects the connection and gives some stiffness to the conductor at the joint There are non corrosive fluxs. |
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wrote in message ... On Sun, 11 Nov 2007 20:13:12 -0800, "Calif Bill" wrote: wrote in message . .. On Sun, 11 Nov 2007 14:49:26 -0500, Gene Kearns wrote: The moment you solder a stranded wire you have created (at that point) a solid wire and a stress riser... with all of the ensuing problems.... which are unsatisfactory for a vibrating... whatever... which surely includes boats. If you can support the wire you might get away with it, however, a battery cable end is, by definition under stress at best... I agree. In addition, if you don't wash all the flux off you will invite corrosion. The best connections will also get some silicone grease or similar sealant and shrink tube which protects the connection and gives some stiffness to the conductor at the joint There are non corrosive fluxs. Non corrosive is a relative term. In the presence of salt water they are all corrosive to some extent. That is the function, to break the surface oxidation so the solder can form a clean alloy with the conductor metal. The clean alloy is easily susceptible to corrosion. |
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On Sun, 11 Nov 2007 19:14:50 -0500, jamesgangnc penned the following
well considered thoughts to the readers of rec.boats: |I solder all my wires. Evry crimp connection I have seen on a boat that was |more than a few years old had developed noticable resistance and voltage |drop. You can expect that if you don't use quality water tight connectors. -- Grady-White Gulfstream, out of Oak Island, NC. Homepage http://pamandgene.idleplay.net/ Rec.boats at Lee Yeaton's Bayguide http://www.thebayguide.com/rec.boats ----------------- www.Newsgroup-Binaries.com - *Completion*Retention*Speed* Access your favorite newsgroups from home or on the road ----------------- |
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Waterproof is a relative term. After years of exposure to moisture most
"waterproof" things are not really all that waterproof. Many of the electrical problems I have seen on older boats is poor conductivity. I've never encountered a broken wire that broke because it was soldered to a lug. "Gene Kearns" wrote in message ... On Sun, 11 Nov 2007 19:14:50 -0500, jamesgangnc penned the following well considered thoughts to the readers of rec.boats: |I solder all my wires. Evry crimp connection I have seen on a boat that was |more than a few years old had developed noticable resistance and voltage |drop. You can expect that if you don't use quality water tight connectors. -- Grady-White Gulfstream, out of Oak Island, NC. Homepage http://pamandgene.idleplay.net/ Rec.boats at Lee Yeaton's Bayguide http://www.thebayguide.com/rec.boats ----------------- www.Newsgroup-Binaries.com - *Completion*Retention*Speed* Access your favorite newsgroups from home or on the road ----------------- |
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On Mon, 12 Nov 2007 09:20:35 -0500, jamesgangnc penned the following
well considered thoughts to the readers of rec.boats: |Waterproof is a relative term. After years of exposure to moisture most |"waterproof" things are not really all that waterproof. Many of the |electrical problems I have seen on older boats is poor conductivity. I've |never encountered a broken wire that broke because it was soldered to a lug. I have and ABYC apparently has, as well, since they do not allow solder as a sole means of connection. ANCOR recommends crimping vs. soldering. Per ABYC standards (E-11.16.3.7), “Solder shall not be the sole means of mechanical connection in any circuit”. Further, crimping provides a solid mechanical connection resistant to “cold joints”, breaking under fatigue and removes strain when using ANCOR double crimp nylon connectors." The terminals are made to be attached to the wire by mechanical means. If you are using tinned marine cable, and the proper terminal end and crimper, there is no need to solder the connection. Cite: http://continuouswave.com/ubb/Forum6/HTML/000625.html Soldering is fine in any area where you can immobilize both sides of the joint or where moisture and vibration are not a problem. If you can't insure that, you are better off leaving the soldering iron in the tool box. -- Grady-White Gulfstream, out of Oak Island, NC. Homepage http://pamandgene.idleplay.net/ Rec.boats at Lee Yeaton's Bayguide http://www.thebayguide.com/rec.boats ----------------- www.Newsgroup-Binaries.com - *Completion*Retention*Speed* Access your favorite newsgroups from home or on the road ----------------- |
What guage wire??
On Mon, 12 Nov 2007 13:19:35 -0500, penned the
following well considered thoughts to the readers of rec.boats: | |A "solder" type ring terminal has a hole in it you put the wire |through and fold it back. They do have a clamp ring that goes around |the insulated part of the wire after they cool for that strain relief |we are talking about. (I may have some in my junk box if nobody has |seen one) |I haven't seen one used in years because crinping is faster. By a like |token, you don't see electricians with solder pots either. | Ok, here is what I use, exclusively. YMMV. http://tinyurl.com/2vfao7 http://tinyurl.com/3d49so -- Grady-White Gulfstream, out of Oak Island, NC. Homepage http://pamandgene.idleplay.net/ Rec.boats at Lee Yeaton's Bayguide http://www.thebayguide.com/rec.boats ----------------- www.Newsgroup-Binaries.com - *Completion*Retention*Speed* Access your favorite newsgroups from home or on the road ----------------- |
What guage wire??
No code allows solder as the only means of physically attaching a wire. You
crimp the connetor first and then solder. I remove the plastic from crimp connectors, crimp them on the wire, solder, and then cover with heat shrink tubing. I have zero problems with them even years later. I have seen old crimp connections where the voltage drop was over a volt. "Gene Kearns" wrote in message ... On Mon, 12 Nov 2007 09:20:35 -0500, jamesgangnc penned the following well considered thoughts to the readers of rec.boats: |Waterproof is a relative term. After years of exposure to moisture most |"waterproof" things are not really all that waterproof. Many of the |electrical problems I have seen on older boats is poor conductivity. I've |never encountered a broken wire that broke because it was soldered to a lug. I have and ABYC apparently has, as well, since they do not allow solder as a sole means of connection. ANCOR recommends crimping vs. soldering. Per ABYC standards (E-11.16.3.7), "Solder shall not be the sole means of mechanical connection in any circuit". Further, crimping provides a solid mechanical connection resistant to "cold joints", breaking under fatigue and removes strain when using ANCOR double crimp nylon connectors." The terminals are made to be attached to the wire by mechanical means. If you are using tinned marine cable, and the proper terminal end and crimper, there is no need to solder the connection. Cite: http://continuouswave.com/ubb/Forum6/HTML/000625.html Soldering is fine in any area where you can immobilize both sides of the joint or where moisture and vibration are not a problem. If you can't insure that, you are better off leaving the soldering iron in the tool box. -- Grady-White Gulfstream, out of Oak Island, NC. Homepage http://pamandgene.idleplay.net/ Rec.boats at Lee Yeaton's Bayguide http://www.thebayguide.com/rec.boats ----------------- www.Newsgroup-Binaries.com - *Completion*Retention*Speed* Access your favorite newsgroups from home or on the road ----------------- |
What guage wire??
On Mon, 12 Nov 2007 14:39:46 -0500, jamesgangnc penned the following
well considered thoughts to the readers of rec.boats: |No code allows solder as the only means of physically attaching a wire. You |crimp the connetor first and then solder. I remove the plastic from crimp |connectors, crimp them on the wire, solder, and then cover with heat shrink |tubing. I have zero problems with them even years later. One of these days, I'm going to get around to adding a few pics to my web site about this. Maybe I can depict what I'm saying and it'll make a bit more sense... |I have seen old crimp connections where the voltage drop was over a volt. That is entirely possible, no, entirely likely, if the crimp is not tight enough. I think the solder vs. no-solder debate will rage on. Personally, I prefer the no-solder types in applications where I can't control moisture and or vibration. I have seen numerous failures in solder type connections in aircraft and I have also see quite a number of poorly executed crimp-on failures. I even remember seeing a heatshrink connection (on Pascoe's site, I think) that was full of water. Here's a pretty good article that really draws no conclusion: http://www.virginiawind.com/tips/060801_01.asp And I do use solder, just in limited applications.... -- Grady-White Gulfstream, out of Oak Island, NC. Homepage http://pamandgene.idleplay.net/ Rec.boats at Lee Yeaton's Bayguide http://www.thebayguide.com/rec.boats ----------------- www.Newsgroup-Binaries.com - *Completion*Retention*Speed* Access your favorite newsgroups from home or on the road ----------------- |
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