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"Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message
... http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/new...cle2507851.ece ~~ snerk ~~ Forget global warming for the moment, because it's like the 2nd amendment, which will also be debated endlessly. Let's say there was really a god, and one day, she reaches down, picks up the White House and the Kremlin, and yells their occupants "OK you knuckleheads - listen up. All your geological predictions are wrong. You have exactly 5 years worth of oil left, and don't doubt me on this. I'm already in a mood. I'm gonna put your buildings back now, and I'm warning you - don't start making stupid speeches (as usual) until you've thought this over. It should take you about a day. Here's a hint that'll give you a headache: Weight Watchers." Then, she puts the White House in Moscow and the Kremlin in Washington (making landscapers cringe because the feng shui is all wrong). I wonder what would happen. |
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"JoeSpareBedroom" writes:
"Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message ... http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/new...cle2507851.ece ~~ snerk ~~ Forget global warming for the moment, because it's like the 2nd amendment, which will also be debated endlessly. Let's say there was really a god, and one day, she reaches down, picks up the White House and the Kremlin, and yells their occupants "OK you knuckleheads - listen up. All your geological predictions are wrong. You have exactly 5 years worth of oil left, and don't doubt me on this. I'm already in a mood. I'm gonna put your buildings back now, and I'm warning you - don't start making stupid speeches (as usual) until you've thought this over. It should take you about a day. Here's a hint that'll give you a headache: Weight Watchers." Then, she puts the White House in Moscow and the Kremlin in Washington (making landscapers cringe because the feng shui is all wrong). I wonder what would happen. Three questions: 1) Boating content??? 2) Why leave out Beijing and New Dehli? but above all: 3) Weight watchers???? -- Martin Schöön "Problems worthy of attack show their worth by hitting back." Piet Hein |
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"Martin "Schöön"" wrote in message
... "JoeSpareBedroom" writes: "Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message ... http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/new...cle2507851.ece ~~ snerk ~~ Forget global warming for the moment, because it's like the 2nd amendment, which will also be debated endlessly. Let's say there was really a god, and one day, she reaches down, picks up the White House and the Kremlin, and yells their occupants "OK you knuckleheads - listen up. All your geological predictions are wrong. You have exactly 5 years worth of oil left, and don't doubt me on this. I'm already in a mood. I'm gonna put your buildings back now, and I'm warning you - don't start making stupid speeches (as usual) until you've thought this over. It should take you about a day. Here's a hint that'll give you a headache: Weight Watchers." Then, she puts the White House in Moscow and the Kremlin in Washington (making landscapers cringe because the feng shui is all wrong). I wonder what would happen. Three questions: 1) Boating content??? 2) Why leave out Beijing and New Dehli? but above all: 3) Weight watchers???? 1) Ask the OP. I just followed his lead. This way, JohnH can blame him for a change. 2) Gotta start somewhere. 3) Think harder. Think abstract. Please. |
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"JoeSpareBedroom" wrote in message ... "Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message ... http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/new...cle2507851.ece ~~ snerk ~~ Forget global warming for the moment, because it's like the 2nd amendment, which will also be debated endlessly. Agreed. But would it not be good if Hudson Bay had 30lb Kings and Coho? Let's say there was really a god, and one day, she reaches down, picks up the White House and the Kremlin, and yells their occupants "OK you knuckleheads - listen up. All your geological predictions are wrong. You have exactly 5 years worth of oil left, and don't doubt me on this. I'm already in a mood. I'm gonna put your buildings back now, and I'm warning you - don't start making stupid speeches (as usual) until you've thought this over. It should take you about a day. Here's a hint that'll give you a headache: Weight Watchers." First flaw is a woman would never give you 5 years let alone keep the mood for that long. Then, she puts the White House in Moscow and the Kremlin in Washington (making landscapers cringe because the feng shui is all wrong). I wonder what would happen. Must be a blonde. |
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On Sun, 23 Sep 2007 23:18:09 -0400, gfretwell wrote:
Seriously Thomas Friedman summed it up best the other night on CSpan. The contribution of pollution from the developing world will dwarf what we will produce in the next 100 years, even if we do nothing and anything we really can do will be insignificant. It is going to get hotter, plan on that. It is the result of an industrial society and the 3d world will become more industrialized, whether we like it or not. They will take the cheapest path. That is not even oil, it is coal. Enviromnentalism is a rich man's folly. Poor people just want it now, however they can get it. Yeah, but, is it environmentalism that is the folly, or is it the resource intensive consumer paradigm? On this increasingly crowded planet, sustainability should have a place. |
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"thunder" wrote in message
news On Sun, 23 Sep 2007 23:18:09 -0400, gfretwell wrote: Seriously Thomas Friedman summed it up best the other night on CSpan. The contribution of pollution from the developing world will dwarf what we will produce in the next 100 years, even if we do nothing and anything we really can do will be insignificant. It is going to get hotter, plan on that. It is the result of an industrial society and the 3d world will become more industrialized, whether we like it or not. They will take the cheapest path. That is not even oil, it is coal. Enviromnentalism is a rich man's folly. Poor people just want it now, however they can get it. Yeah, but, is it environmentalism that is the folly, or is it the resource intensive consumer paradigm? On this increasingly crowded planet, sustainability should have a place. Apparently, sustainability is so far from the public's psyche that it doesn't even come to mind in a hypothetical discussion. It's as if someone suggested putting the grandkids on the BBQ - totally alien idea. |
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On Mon, 24 Sep 2007 08:05:08 -0000, thunder
wrote: Yeah, but, is it environmentalism that is the folly, or is it the resource intensive consumer paradigm? On this increasingly crowded planet, sustainability should have a place. I hear this argument all the time and I can't say that I agree. To tell the truth, the intensive consumer IS the driver of economics and has been since, well, forever. It's how progress is measured. To my way of thinking, we are limiting ourselves to this thought that nothing can ever be replaced, but that's just not true. Economies ran on human power, animal power, water power, steam power and now oil power. The next big thing hasn't been developed yet, but it will and life will go on. |
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On Mon, 24 Sep 2007 21:06:23 +0000, Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
On Mon, 24 Sep 2007 08:05:08 -0000, thunder wrote: Yeah, but, is it environmentalism that is the folly, or is it the resource intensive consumer paradigm? On this increasingly crowded planet, sustainability should have a place. I hear this argument all the time and I can't say that I agree. To tell the truth, the intensive consumer IS the driver of economics and has been since, well, forever. It's how progress is measured. To my way of thinking, we are limiting ourselves to this thought that nothing can ever be replaced, but that's just not true. Economies ran on human power, animal power, water power, steam power and now oil power. The next big thing hasn't been developed yet, but it will and life will go on. Of course life will go on, and man will most likely have a place, but the transition may not be pretty. It would seem prudent to develop the "next big thing" before exhausting what we have now. This world, and it's resources, are finite. |
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On Sep 24, 6:56?pm, wrote:
On Mon, 24 Sep 2007 21:06:23 GMT, Short Wave Sportfishing wrote: On Mon, 24 Sep 2007 08:05:08 -0000, thunder wrote: Yeah, but, is it environmentalism that is the folly, or is it the resource intensive consumer paradigm? On this increasingly crowded planet, sustainability should have a place. I hear this argument all the time and I can't say that I agree. To tell the truth, the intensive consumer IS the driver of economics and has been since, well, forever. It's how progress is measured. To my way of thinking, we are limiting ourselves to this thought that nothing can ever be replaced, but that's just not true. Economies ran on human power, animal power, water power, steam power and now oil power. The next big thing hasn't been developed yet, but it will and life will go on. I agree, it is arrogant of man to think the world will stay the same, just because we like it like it is now. I'm sure the indians think all of our development here was simply destroying the planet. I was going to stay out of this one, but here's a weird segue. The latest acheological finds throughout much of the western hemisphere indicate that indigenous, pre-Columbian populations *intensively* managed resources and the environment. And populations were many, many, times larger than even the most optimistic estimates the 20th Century. The European colonists that arrived in the early 1600's typically reported east coast forests without a lot of underbrush, often describing the forests as like an English park. The natives had learned to use fire to remove a lot of the underbrush. When woods that are a few hundred years old are currently removed in the New England states people are discovering native maize and pumpkin mounds where agriculture was not previously known to exist. Very few elk bones are found in middens (garbage mounds) of archeologically examined native settlements that existed in the 16th and 17th century, but in the 18th and 19th century the humber of elk bones rose dramatically. Same with bison, there were more bison in the American midwest in the 1800's than in the 1600's. What happened? Smallpox and other European diseases so decimated the natives that entire cultures disappeared. Forests that had been intesively managed were allowed to grow wild again, and filled up with underbrush before the advance of white settlement. Grazing animals that had been kept in check by large native populations, such as elk and bison, multiplied at previously unheard of rates as their most dangerous predator, man, temporarily declined. Recommended reading: "1491" by Charles C. Mann (not known to be a relative of any previous poster to rec.boats by that name) Lessons to be learned: Sometimes we change the environment unwittingly (by introducing a disease, etc). And, man has always intensively managed and utilized his environment, even the so-called "primitives". The climate is going to change. Get used to it. Buy some waterfront property in Arizona and your kids will thank you.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - |
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