On Mon, 10 Sep 2007 11:40:17 -0400, HK wrote:



Yes, well, I am sure there are a millions ways to justify speeding.
I drive no faster than the posted speed limit when conditions are
appropriate, and slower when I tow. I doubt any trooper is going to
ticket me for obeying the law.

That a cop would ticket somebody for doing the limit and "impeding
trafiic" is laughable.
OTOH there was cop on I-88 around here that ticketed a couple cars for
going 56 in a 55! That stopped right quick.
I relax when driving, all my habits geared to staying safe and staying
out of the packs of speeding tailgaters.
I can't count the times I've seen 3-5 cars on the shoulder waiting for
the cops to file the accident report about them hitting each other.
That's 3-5 dip****s, plain and simple.
On the interstate I usually tuck in about 50 yards behind a steady
truck, sometimes for 100 miles or more.
There's a lot to learn about traffic flow dynamics, but experience
tells me the most important thing to know is that most speeders and
*all* tailgaters are just plain dumbasses. Fortunately, they are
entirely predictable if not drunk, and easily avoided.
The "behind the truck" works because the bulk of drivers can't resist
passing it, I suppose "because it's a truck." The truck may be doing
80. Don't matter. It's a truck. Speeders/tailgaters aren't known
for deep thought, or even knowing how fast they are actually moving.
Of course mountains, congestion, on/off ramps, etc all dictate
different tactics.
My bottom line is no tickets, no endangering other cars, and keep them
from endangering me.
I've given up waving the brick I used to keep under my seat at
tailgaters, and I no longer have to waste car cups on the windshields
of tailgaters. It's much easier and safer to understand their simple
ratlike mentality and guide them away. Mellow is better.
BTW, I'm often speeding, usually about 7-10 over because that's what
is often the safest speed to keep the most cars away from me.
If somebody isn't going faster than you, you are a radar target.
The fastest traffic I ever see is going through Atlanta, where a
couple times the flow in the left 2 lanes was 90mph, me in it.
That felt safer than the other lanes, and had the added benefit of
getting me out of there quick.
It's the height of arrogance to tell somebody who is within the law
they are going "too slow." And I'll leave it to the cops and
darwinism to take care of the speeders.

--Vic

Vic Smith wrote:
On Mon, 10 Sep 2007 11:40:17 -0400, HK wrote:


Yes, well, I am sure there are a millions ways to justify speeding.
I drive no faster than the posted speed limit when conditions are
appropriate, and slower when I tow. I doubt any trooper is going to
ticket me for obeying the law.

That a cop would ticket somebody for doing the limit and "impeding
trafiic" is laughable.
OTOH there was cop on I-88 around here that ticketed a couple cars for
going 56 in a 55! That stopped right quick.
I relax when driving, all my habits geared to staying safe and staying
out of the packs of speeding tailgaters.
I can't count the times I've seen 3-5 cars on the shoulder waiting for
the cops to file the accident report about them hitting each other.
That's 3-5 dip****s, plain and simple.
On the interstate I usually tuck in about 50 yards behind a steady
truck, sometimes for 100 miles or more.
There's a lot to learn about traffic flow dynamics, but experience
tells me the most important thing to know is that most speeders and
*all* tailgaters are just plain dumbasses. Fortunately, they are
entirely predictable if not drunk, and easily avoided.
The "behind the truck" works because the bulk of drivers can't resist
passing it, I suppose "because it's a truck." The truck may be doing
80. Don't matter. It's a truck. Speeders/tailgaters aren't known
for deep thought, or even knowing how fast they are actually moving.
Of course mountains, congestion, on/off ramps, etc all dictate
different tactics.
My bottom line is no tickets, no endangering other cars, and keep them
from endangering me.
I've given up waving the brick I used to keep under my seat at
tailgaters, and I no longer have to waste car cups on the windshields
of tailgaters. It's much easier and safer to understand their simple
ratlike mentality and guide them away. Mellow is better.
BTW, I'm often speeding, usually about 7-10 over because that's what
is often the safest speed to keep the most cars away from me.
If somebody isn't going faster than you, you are a radar target.
The fastest traffic I ever see is going through Atlanta, where a
couple times the flow in the left 2 lanes was 90mph, me in it.
That felt safer than the other lanes, and had the added benefit of
getting me out of there quick.
It's the height of arrogance to tell somebody who is within the law
they are going "too slow." And I'll leave it to the cops and
darwinism to take care of the speeders.

--Vic

If you are driving the speed limit on I95 or I75, the police will think
you are a drug dealer and look for a reason to pull you over.

On Mon, 10 Sep 2007 13:59:16 -0400, "Reginald P. Smithers III"
wrote:



If you are driving the speed limit on I95 or I75, the police will think
you are a drug dealer and look for a reason to pull you over.

heh heh. That's why it's best to drive Impalas and Crown Vics with a
spot, and try to look like a cop on vacation with the wife.
But really, I've read and seen videos of plenty of speeders being
radared, pulled over, and found with a driver's seat and the trunk
full of dope.
Next time I haul a couple hundred keys of smack to Chicago,
I'll try not to speed. I just hope the slowpokes doing 7 over don't
activate my rat instincts forcing me to pass them - just because I
can.

--Vic

On Mon, 10 Sep 2007 13:25:00 -0500, Vic Smith
wrote:

That's why it's best to drive Impalas and Crown Vics with a
spot, and try to look like a cop on vacation with the wife.

The troopers have caught on to that trick and are now targeting the
wannabees for special treatment in drug transit areas.

I agree with your strategy of blending in with the traffic flow. In
my experience that's the best way to fly under the radar. I also
agree with the trooper strategy of targeting people driving under the
speed limit when everyone else is at the limit or slightly over.
There's a good chance they are impaired, unlicensed, hiding something
or in an unsafe vehicle.

On Mon, 10 Sep 2007 17:59:38 -0400, Wayne.B
wrote:

On Mon, 10 Sep 2007 13:25:00 -0500, Vic Smith
wrote:

That's why it's best to drive Impalas and Crown Vics with a
spot, and try to look like a cop on vacation with the wife.

The troopers have caught on to that trick and are now targeting the
wannabees for special treatment in drug transit areas.

That was tongue in cheek, of course, but I did once buy a repainted
big Impala with a spot that was once an "official" car. It was a real
good buy. Unfortunately it was repainted in what might be described as
"undercover blue."
Cops never hassled me except I once got jokingly spotlighted by a
similar car, probably narcs. They were laughing as they pulled
alongside, but looked duly embarrassed when they saw the kids.
I used the car a few years before a fifth kid dictated I get a van.
I wouldn't buy such a car again, but it did ok by me. Might have
gotten a few longer looks, but that's all.

I agree with your strategy of blending in with the traffic flow. In
my experience that's the best way to fly under the radar. I also
agree with the trooper strategy of targeting people driving under the
speed limit when everyone else is at the limit or slightly over.
There's a good chance they are impaired, unlicensed, hiding something
or in an unsafe vehicle.

Those are few and far between. Might as well wait for a farm tractor
to lumber by.
No trooper is going to ignore ticketing a guy blowing by at 90 in the
hopes that if he waits a couple days he can nab an old lady or a drunk
he targets doing 55. In a normal 65 mph scenario, he'll find 10 guys
pushing 90 and 100 tailgaters for every car doing 63.
Not to say he shouldn't examine the slow oddities, but I just don't
see many.
I'm on the highway often enough, and in most places I travel I can set
the cruise at 72 and not pass another car for 50 miles.
I don't know where you find all these slowpokes.
Oh wait! It's me! Doing 72 in a 65! Shame on me! (-:

--Vic

On Mon, 10 Sep 2007 19:31:47 -0500, Vic Smith
wrote:

I agree with your strategy of blending in with the traffic flow. In
my experience that's the best way to fly under the radar. I also
agree with the trooper strategy of targeting people driving under the
speed limit when everyone else is at the limit or slightly over.
There's a good chance they are impaired, unlicensed, hiding something
or in an unsafe vehicle.

Those are few and far between.

You would think so, but it seems the opposite from what I've been
told.

Admittedly, you won't be stopped just for driving lower speeds than
the general traffic, but if the LEO has an excuse - like a busted tail
light/head light/windshield or no seat belt in those states where it's
a primary stop, it's almost guarenteed.

And, again from what I've been told, the number of impaired drivers,
drugs, guns, etc., found when doing this is pretty high.

On Tue, 11 Sep 2007 01:14:06 GMT, Short Wave Sportfishing
wrote:



Admittedly, you won't be stopped just for driving lower speeds than
the general traffic, but if the LEO has an excuse - like a busted tail
light/head light/windshield or no seat belt in those states where it's
a primary stop, it's almost guarenteed.

Wish you hadn't reminded me of this, since I almost forgot it.
Dropping a buddy off after a day's fishing.
Cop pulls me over for "inoperative brake light."
I pop the trunk, see that the cooler has knocked the left bulb
assembly from its socket, stick it back in, put the small cooler in
the back seat. Ask my buddy to look while I apply brakes.
"You're good," he says.
The cop watched all this, it only took about 10 seconds, *then* went
ahead and wrote the ticket.
Of course it was thrown out, but I had to go to court.
Asshole.
Using my Mendel readings I devised a simple ticket matrix to teach my
kids how ticket issuance is influenced by known tendencies.
All you have to know is that "asshole" is dominant.
Normal Driver + Normal Cop = maybe ticket, maybe not
Asshole Driver + Normal Cop = Ticket
Normal Driver + Asshole Cop = Ticket
Asshole Driver + Asshole Cop = Tickets (Twins, maybe triplets)

--Vic