Wayne.B wrote:
On Fri, 07 Sep 2007 07:31:05 -0500, John H.
wrote:

Wouldn't having the proper tongue weight get rid of much of that? When I
bought the Proline, it did a lot of swaying and acting weird. I checked,
and the tongue weight was only a little over 100lbs, plus the transom hung
out over the last rollers by over a foot.

Adjustments allowed me to pull the boat forward and increase the tongue
weight to the proper amount (about 450lbs). That made a nice difference in
the way the boat handled and in pulling it up a ramp.

Proper tongue weight and tire inflation can make a huge difference but
for towing any kind of distance at interstate highway speeds there is
really no substitute for weight and length.

What weight and length truck do you use to haul that oversized RV of
yours down I-95? And define highway speeds, since most boat trailing
shouldn't be done at speeds exceeding 60 mph. My average highway speed
while trailing is between 55 and 60 mph. If you are pulling a boat
trailer at 70 or faster, you're going...too fast.

HK wrote:
Wayne.B wrote:
On Fri, 07 Sep 2007 07:31:05 -0500, John H.
wrote:

Wouldn't having the proper tongue weight get rid of much of that? When I
bought the Proline, it did a lot of swaying and acting weird. I checked,
and the tongue weight was only a little over 100lbs, plus the transom
hung
out over the last rollers by over a foot.

Adjustments allowed me to pull the boat forward and increase the tongue
weight to the proper amount (about 450lbs). That made a nice
difference in
the way the boat handled and in pulling it up a ramp.

Proper tongue weight and tire inflation can make a huge difference but
for towing any kind of distance at interstate highway speeds there is
really no substitute for weight and length.

What weight and length truck do you use to haul that oversized RV of
yours down I-95? And define highway speeds, since most boat trailing
shouldn't be done at speeds exceeding 60 mph. My average highway speed
while trailing is between 55 and 60 mph. If you are pulling a boat
trailer at 70 or faster, you're going...too fast.


If this is how you make friends I'd really like to see how you entice
woman to date you.

On Sun, 09 Sep 2007 20:35:54 -0400, HK wrote:

What weight and length truck do you use to haul that oversized RV of
yours down I-95? And define highway speeds, since most boat trailing
shouldn't be done at speeds exceeding 60 mph. My average highway speed
while trailing is between 55 and 60 mph. If you are pulling a boat
trailer at 70 or faster, you're going...too fast.

If you can't safely tow at the speed limit you are obstructing traffic
and unsafe. A good pickup truck and a properly set up trailer should
be able to tow at 70 mph without any trace of instability. Speaking
from experience, if the vehicle, tongue weight and tire pressure are
not correct you will be lucky to get over 55.

On Sun, 09 Sep 2007 23:12:03 -0400, Wayne.B wrote:

On Sun, 09 Sep 2007 20:35:54 -0400, HK wrote:

If you can't safely tow at the speed limit you are obstructing traffic
and unsafe. A good pickup truck and a properly set up trailer should
be able to tow at 70 mph without any trace of instability. Speaking
from experience, if the vehicle, tongue weight and tire pressure are not
correct you will be lucky to get over 55.

However, some states set a maximum towing speed that is sometimes below the posted limit. 55 max
isn't uncommon.

http://www.towingworld.com/articles/TowingLaws.htm

On Mon, 10 Sep 2007 05:13:45 -0000, thunder
wrote:

On Sun, 09 Sep 2007 23:12:03 -0400, Wayne.B wrote:

On Sun, 09 Sep 2007 20:35:54 -0400, HK wrote:

If you can't safely tow at the speed limit you are obstructing traffic
and unsafe. A good pickup truck and a properly set up trailer should
be able to tow at 70 mph without any trace of instability. Speaking
from experience, if the vehicle, tongue weight and tire pressure are not
correct you will be lucky to get over 55.

However, some states set a maximum towing speed that is sometimes below the posted limit. 55 max
isn't uncommon.

http://www.towingworld.com/articles/TowingLaws.htm

Only one out of fifty - that's pretty uncommon all right. :)

On Mon, 10 Sep 2007 05:13:45 -0000, thunder
wrote:

However, some states set a maximum towing speed that is sometimes below the posted limit. 55 max
isn't uncommon.

http://www.towingworld.com/articles/TowingLaws.htm

Agreed that there are a few but not too many. Looking at your site I
was surprised at how many allow 75.

In Florida we regard 75 mph as the "run over" speed on the
interstates, i.e., if you are not going at least that fast you will be
run over, posted speed limit notwithstanding.

Wayne.B wrote:
On Mon, 10 Sep 2007 05:13:45 -0000, thunder
wrote:

However, some states set a maximum towing speed that is sometimes below the posted limit. 55 max
isn't uncommon.

http://www.towingworld.com/articles/TowingLaws.htm

Agreed that there are a few but not too many. Looking at your site I
was surprised at how many allow 75.

In Florida we regard 75 mph as the "run over" speed on the
interstates, i.e., if you are not going at least that fast you will be
run over, posted speed limit notwithstanding.

Really? I visit Florida several times a year and almost always rent a
car and drive on the interstates there. I rarely drive faster than 65mph
- 67 no matter what the speed limit allows that is higher, and I've
noticed that many other drivers don't, either. Why waste the gas?

I do enjoy seeing the 75 mph and over boys being pulled over for
tickets. What could be nicer?

Hey, it's okay with me if you kill yourself with high-speed driving, but
you're also putting others at risk. That is not ok.

On Mon, 10 Sep 2007 10:31:41 -0400, HK wrote:

Really? I visit Florida several times a year and almost always rent a
car and drive on the interstates there. I rarely drive faster than 65mph
- 67 no matter what the speed limit allows that is higher, and I've
noticed that many other drivers don't, either. Why waste the gas?

I do enjoy seeing the 75 mph and over boys being pulled over for
tickets. What could be nicer?

I'd say you need new glasses - or have your vision and/or spedometer
checked. :)

If the general traffic is traveling 75, troopers aren't going to
bother picking anybody out to pull over. 80/85 yes - 75, no way.

Hey, it's okay with me if you kill yourself with high-speed driving, but
you're also putting others at risk. That is not ok.

When I did a ride-along with my son's FTO, I learned a lot about
traffic and traffic stops.

In general, troopers will pay more attention to a car moving 65 when
the general traffic is moving 75. The reason is that the car moving
65 is actually impeding traffic creating a potential problem. Mass
tried a "rolling traffic control" experiment about 10 years ago. The
program involved putting a patrol car on the road traveling at the
speed limit. They abandoned the program after a month when data
produced an interesting result - the backups created by having a car
at 65 created more accidents BEHIND the car than if the car hadn't
been there.

Another reason not to pull cars over at 75 is that is creates a
situation where people slow down to look which creates one of those
"phantom" traffic jams you see every once in a while on the
interstates.

A third issue is time management - you want to save your efforts for
the serious violations - not something that potentially impeds the
flow of traffic.

Tom Francis wrote:
On Mon, 10 Sep 2007 10:31:41 -0400, HK wrote:

Really? I visit Florida several times a year and almost always rent a
car and drive on the interstates there. I rarely drive faster than 65mph
- 67 no matter what the speed limit allows that is higher, and I've
noticed that many other drivers don't, either. Why waste the gas?

I do enjoy seeing the 75 mph and over boys being pulled over for
tickets. What could be nicer?

I'd say you need new glasses - or have your vision and/or spedometer
checked. :)

If the general traffic is traveling 75, troopers aren't going to
bother picking anybody out to pull over. 80/85 yes - 75, no way.

Hey, it's okay with me if you kill yourself with high-speed driving, but
you're also putting others at risk. That is not ok.

When I did a ride-along with my son's FTO, I learned a lot about
traffic and traffic stops.

In general, troopers will pay more attention to a car moving 65 when
the general traffic is moving 75. The reason is that the car moving
65 is actually impeding traffic creating a potential problem. Mass
tried a "rolling traffic control" experiment about 10 years ago. The
program involved putting a patrol car on the road traveling at the
speed limit. They abandoned the program after a month when data
produced an interesting result - the backups created by having a car
at 65 created more accidents BEHIND the car than if the car hadn't
been there.

Another reason not to pull cars over at 75 is that is creates a
situation where people slow down to look which creates one of those
"phantom" traffic jams you see every once in a while on the
interstates.

A third issue is time management - you want to save your efforts for
the serious violations - not something that potentially impeds the
flow of traffic.


Yes, well, I am sure there are a millions ways to justify speeding.
I drive no faster than the posted speed limit when conditions are
appropriate, and slower when I tow. I doubt any trooper is going to
ticket me for obeying the law.

On Mon, 10 Sep 2007 15:34:51 GMT, Tom Francis
wrote:

On Mon, 10 Sep 2007 10:31:41 -0400, HK wrote:

Really? I visit Florida several times a year and almost always rent a
car and drive on the interstates there. I rarely drive faster than 65mph
- 67 no matter what the speed limit allows that is higher, and I've
noticed that many other drivers don't, either. Why waste the gas?

I do enjoy seeing the 75 mph and over boys being pulled over for
tickets. What could be nicer?

I'd say you need new glasses - or have your vision and/or spedometer
checked. :)

If the general traffic is traveling 75, troopers aren't going to
bother picking anybody out to pull over. 80/85 yes - 75, no way.

Hey, it's okay with me if you kill yourself with high-speed driving, but
you're also putting others at risk. That is not ok.

When I did a ride-along with my son's FTO, I learned a lot about
traffic and traffic stops.

In general, troopers will pay more attention to a car moving 65 when
the general traffic is moving 75. The reason is that the car moving
65 is actually impeding traffic creating a potential problem. Mass
tried a "rolling traffic control" experiment about 10 years ago. The
program involved putting a patrol car on the road traveling at the
speed limit. They abandoned the program after a month when data
produced an interesting result - the backups created by having a car
at 65 created more accidents BEHIND the car than if the car hadn't
been there.

Another reason not to pull cars over at 75 is that is creates a
situation where people slow down to look which creates one of those
"phantom" traffic jams you see every once in a while on the
interstates.

A third issue is time management - you want to save your efforts for
the serious violations - not something that potentially impeds the
flow of traffic.

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Absolutely right on all counts, and well stated.