On Sep 6, 10:23 pm, wrote:
On Thu, 06 Sep 2007 19:16:34 -0700, Frogwatch wrote:
For awhile I was obsessed with a 1939 Chevy 2 ton dually truck with a
flat bed. It was as simple as it could be. However, even I admit
there have been a few good advances in automotive tech, like
electronic ignition. I can still set the timing on a vehicle with
points and condensor but doing it every few thou miles gets old. I
love modern tires compared to the old ones.

Those old GM's had a 216 inch straight 6 that didn't even feature an oil pump!
It was known as "splash lubrication". There were these little scoops bolted to
the bottoms of the con rods that splashed the oil around.

I looked under the hood of that old chevy and just about fell in
love. Everything looked familiar instead of looking like some
adaptation of alien technology from Area 51.
What I'd like is a 2007 version of very basic technology. Why cant we
have a modern engine made with modern long lasting materials without
all the gadgets? Yes, fuel injection is a greta thing so we do need a
little elecronics but why build something you have to have an EE
degree in to work on.
My 1987 era diesel engine on my sailboat is a good example of such
design philosophy, simple, modern technology and materials and so dang
reliable it makes me love it.
Really, does EVERYBODY want power windows? Doesnt anybody else hate
those damned interior lights that dont turn off for 5 minutes? Does
ANYBODY care about a "CHECK ENGINE" light that doesnt tell you ****?

On Sep 6, 9:35 pm, Frogwatch wrote:

Really, does EVERYBODY want power windows?

Get used to the coming attractions. No auto mfj. is going to offer
crank windows as of this year, from what I gather. The cheap little
electric motors are easier for the factory to install.

Doesnt anybody else hate
those damned interior lights that dont turn off for 5 minutes?

I'm not a fan of them.

Does ANYBODY care about a "CHECK ENGINE" light that doesnt tell you
****?

No problem there. the light is easily covered with a strip of black
electrical tape (or stuff a pic of your wife,girlfriend grandkids in
front of it)!

Tim wrote:
On Sep 6, 9:35 pm, Frogwatch wrote:

Really, does EVERYBODY want power windows?

Get used to the coming attractions. No auto mfj. is going to offer
crank windows as of this year, from what I gather. The cheap little
electric motors are easier for the factory to install.

Doesnt anybody else hate
those damned interior lights that dont turn off for 5 minutes?

I'm not a fan of them.

Does ANYBODY care about a "CHECK ENGINE" light that doesnt tell you
****?

No problem there. the light is easily covered with a strip of black
electrical tape (or stuff a pic of your wife,girlfriend grandkids in
front of it)!



The Check Engine light is also part of the pollution control system.
Every time I had the light go on, it was due to excess emissions,
because I did not tighten the gas cap tight enough.

Frogwatch wrote:

On Sep 6, 10:23 pm, wrote:

On Thu, 06 Sep 2007 19:16:34 -0700, Frogwatch wrote:

For awhile I was obsessed with a 1939 Chevy 2 ton dually truck with a
flat bed. It was as simple as it could be. However, even I admit
there have been a few good advances in automotive tech, like
electronic ignition. I can still set the timing on a vehicle with
points and condensor but doing it every few thou miles gets old. I
love modern tires compared to the old ones.

Those old GM's had a 216 inch straight 6 that didn't even feature an oil pump!
It was known as "splash lubrication". There were these little scoops bolted to
the bottoms of the con rods that splashed the oil around.


I looked under the hood of that old chevy and just about fell in
love. Everything looked familiar instead of looking like some
adaptation of alien technology from Area 51.
What I'd like is a 2007 version of very basic technology. Why cant we
have a modern engine made with modern long lasting materials without
all the gadgets? Yes, fuel injection is a greta thing so we do need a
little elecronics but why build something you have to have an EE
degree in to work on.
My 1987 era diesel engine on my sailboat is a good example of such
design philosophy, simple, modern technology and materials and so dang
reliable it makes me love it.
Really, does EVERYBODY want power windows? Doesnt anybody else hate
those damned interior lights that dont turn off for 5 minutes? Does
ANYBODY care about a "CHECK ENGINE" light that doesnt tell you ****?

HATE power windows. Bought an '01 Chevy S10 used; the driver's side
window lasted two months; since then it only goes 1/3 down.

HATE the damn interior lights!

HATE the damn "Check engine" light. Anybody know what the hell a
"Secondary air injection failure" is? Me neither, although it doesn't
seem to bother the engine or the MPG.

DT

On Fri, 07 Sep 2007 10:36:42 -0500, dt wrote:



HATE power windows. Bought an '01 Chevy S10 used; the driver's side
window lasted two months; since then it only goes 1/3 down.

I don't like them either. My kid just fixed one on my Lumina.
The motor/arm assembly cost 165 bucks at the dealer.
And I've had a couple other go dab.
I *never* had to fix a crank.
And I don't like the thought of being in the drink and can't crank my
window down.

HATE the damn interior lights!

What the hell good do they do?

HATE the damn "Check engine" light. Anybody know what the hell a
"Secondary air injection failure" is? Me neither, although it doesn't
seem to bother the engine or the MPG.

Those I like, but I've got a code reader.
And here in Illinois you are grounded when the emissions test
show a code - any code.

--Vic

On Fri, 07 Sep 2007 11:06:03 -0500, Vic Smith
wrote:

I don't like them either. My kid just fixed one on my Lumina.
The motor/arm assembly cost 165 bucks at the dealer.
And I've had a couple other go dab.
I *never* had to fix a crank.
And I don't like the thought of being in the drink and can't crank my
window down.

You guys are buying the wrong cars. I was driving my old Toyota Camry
the other day and the power windows worked perfectly and always have.
I bought it new in 1992 and gave it to my youngest son when we moved
to Florida 4 years ago. It now has 206,000 miles on it and still runs
great.

On Sun, 09 Sep 2007 08:25:57 -0400, Wayne.B
wrote:

On Fri, 07 Sep 2007 11:06:03 -0500, Vic Smith
wrote:

I don't like them either. My kid just fixed one on my Lumina.
The motor/arm assembly cost 165 bucks at the dealer.
And I've had a couple other go dab.
I *never* had to fix a crank.
And I don't like the thought of being in the drink and can't crank my
window down.

You guys are buying the wrong cars. I was driving my old Toyota Camry
the other day and the power windows worked perfectly and always have.
I bought it new in 1992 and gave it to my youngest son when we moved
to Florida 4 years ago. It now has 206,000 miles on it and still runs
great.

So does my Lumina, and since it only cost $2500 I can handle the
occasional repair. Even without that repair, still rather have a
crank.
I've got nothing against Camrys, except they're not cost effective
for my target - about $3k purchase/maintenance per 100k miles or
10 years, whichever comes first.
I hardly see old Camrys around here, and think those older models like
yours look a lot better than the newer ones, even though I prefer a
bigger car for travel.
Seems to me everything gets supersized. Your Camry looks to be about
the size of current Corollas or Civics. Though maybe they began
upsizing earlier. Not much up on Toys.
Sometimes I think my eyes are deceiving me. A few weeks ago I rented
a car for some of my girls to vacation in Florida, and when they
fetched it from Enterprise and I saw it in the driveway I thought they
had upsized from a Malibu to an Impala.
Took a short ride with them and said "I'm surprised there's this much
tire noise in an Impala."
"Dad, this is a Malibu."
Go figure.

--Vic