On Thu, 6 Sep 2007 00:00:10 -0300, "Don White"
wrote:


"HK" wrote in message
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Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
On Wed, 05 Sep 2007 21:39:06 -0400, HK wrote:

At some point, Evinrude and Mercury will be out of the two cycle
outboard business.

May be true for Merc, but the Optimax is not going anywhere for a long
time for a variety of reasons.

Evinrude only builds two strokes.

And despite your experience, I'm seeing more and more ETECs around
here.



That's right...the smaller four cycle evinrudes are called johnsons.

Was I dreaming... or did I read somewhere that Evinrude will bump Johnson
out of the small 'kicker' engine market with small versions of ETEC
outboards?

There has been talk of that for a while, but the technology doesn't
translate well to engines smaller than 40 for some technical reason
that I don't remember - has to do with RPM levels and cubic capacity.
Not to mention price point.

Which is not to say that they won't solve it eventually, there is just
a technical problem at this point.

Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
On Thu, 6 Sep 2007 00:00:10 -0300, "Don White"
wrote:

"HK" wrote in message
news
Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
On Wed, 05 Sep 2007 21:39:06 -0400, HK wrote:

At some point, Evinrude and Mercury will be out of the two cycle
outboard business.
May be true for Merc, but the Optimax is not going anywhere for a long
time for a variety of reasons.

Evinrude only builds two strokes.

And despite your experience, I'm seeing more and more ETECs around
here.


That's right...the smaller four cycle evinrudes are called johnsons.
Was I dreaming... or did I read somewhere that Evinrude will bump Johnson
out of the small 'kicker' engine market with small versions of ETEC
outboards?

There has been talk of that for a while, but the technology doesn't
translate well to engines smaller than 40 for some technical reason
that I don't remember - has to do with RPM levels and cubic capacity.
Not to mention price point.

Which is not to say that they won't solve it eventually, there is just
a technical problem at this point.


Hmmmm. I wonder what Evinrude/Johnson's market penetration is since the
OMC demise.

On Thu, 06 Sep 2007 07:43:47 -0400, HK wrote:

Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
On Thu, 6 Sep 2007 00:00:10 -0300, "Don White"
wrote:

"HK" wrote in message
news Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
On Wed, 05 Sep 2007 21:39:06 -0400, HK wrote:

At some point, Evinrude and Mercury will be out of the two cycle
outboard business.
May be true for Merc, but the Optimax is not going anywhere for a long
time for a variety of reasons.

Evinrude only builds two strokes.

And despite your experience, I'm seeing more and more ETECs around
here.


That's right...the smaller four cycle evinrudes are called johnsons.
Was I dreaming... or did I read somewhere that Evinrude will bump Johnson
out of the small 'kicker' engine market with small versions of ETEC
outboards?

There has been talk of that for a while, but the technology doesn't
translate well to engines smaller than 40 for some technical reason
that I don't remember - has to do with RPM levels and cubic capacity.
Not to mention price point.

Which is not to say that they won't solve it eventually, there is just
a technical problem at this point.

Hmmmm. I wonder what Evinrude/Johnson's market penetration is since the
OMC demise.

You mean as compared to product dumping like Yamaha?

Quite well actually for new technology. The more the word spreads,
the more it's becoming accepted.

You are behind the times Harry - trade the Yamahamamama for some
decent technology instead of ancient technology.

Don't be a Luddite. :)

Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
On Thu, 06 Sep 2007 07:43:47 -0400, HK wrote:

Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
On Thu, 6 Sep 2007 00:00:10 -0300, "Don White"
wrote:

"HK" wrote in message
news Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
On Wed, 05 Sep 2007 21:39:06 -0400, HK wrote:

At some point, Evinrude and Mercury will be out of the two cycle
outboard business.
May be true for Merc, but the Optimax is not going anywhere for a long
time for a variety of reasons.

Evinrude only builds two strokes.

And despite your experience, I'm seeing more and more ETECs around
here.

That's right...the smaller four cycle evinrudes are called johnsons.
Was I dreaming... or did I read somewhere that Evinrude will bump Johnson
out of the small 'kicker' engine market with small versions of ETEC
outboards?
There has been talk of that for a while, but the technology doesn't
translate well to engines smaller than 40 for some technical reason
that I don't remember - has to do with RPM levels and cubic capacity.
Not to mention price point.

Which is not to say that they won't solve it eventually, there is just
a technical problem at this point.
Hmmmm. I wonder what Evinrude/Johnson's market penetration is since the
OMC demise.

You mean as compared to product dumping like Yamaha?

Quite well actually for new technology. The more the word spreads,
the more it's becoming accepted.

You are behind the times Harry - trade the Yamahamamama for some
decent technology instead of ancient technology.

Don't be a Luddite. :)


Ahh. Maybe Evinrude is shipping its engines to this area sith Yamaha,
Mercury and Suzuki covers.

On Sep 6, 6:09 am, Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
On Thu, 6 Sep 2007 00:00:10 -0300, "Don White"





wrote:

"HK" wrote in message
news
Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
On Wed, 05 Sep 2007 21:39:06 -0400, HK wrote:

At some point, Evinrude and Mercury will be out of the two cycle
outboard business.

May be true for Merc, but the Optimax is not going anywhere for a long
time for a variety of reasons.

Evinrude only builds two strokes.

And despite your experience, I'm seeing more and more ETECs around
here.

That's right...the smaller four cycle evinrudes are called johnsons.

Was I dreaming... or did I read somewhere that Evinrude will bump Johnson
out of the small 'kicker' engine market with small versions of ETEC
outboards?

There has been talk of that for a while, but the technology doesn't
translate well to engines smaller than 40 for some technical reason
that I don't remember - has to do with RPM levels and cubic capacity.
Not to mention price point.

Now that's the kind of thing that gets me thinking. Is it the
materials they use, the weight of the pistons maybe, or the flywheel.
Have they played with the compression, or timing.. errrr. Why would it
not work, what is different about the technology. Fuel delivery?? Now
I am going to have to do some reading, grrrrr.


Which is not to say that they won't solve it eventually, there is just
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On Thu, 06 Sep 2007 12:07:21 -0000,
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Now that's the kind of thing that gets me thinking. Is it the
materials they use, the weight of the pistons maybe, or the flywheel.
Have they played with the compression, or timing.. errrr. Why would it
not work, what is different about the technology. Fuel delivery?? Now
I am going to have to do some reading, grrrrr.

Not really - it has to do with capacity and timing issues for the
injector. Apparently, they can make it work, but the whole thing
about weight/power ratios is an issue.

Plus the EMM software and hardware is expensive and when you are
looking at engines that only price out at 2/3K, it's not exactly a
money maker.

It is the one area where four strokes have the advantage compared to
higher tech like ETEC - and I hesitate to say this, but normally
aspirated two stroke engines.