On Thu, 06 Sep 2007 07:06:27 -0400, "Reginald P. Smithers III"
wrote:

Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
On Wed, 05 Sep 2007 19:08:04 -0400, HK wrote:

JimH wrote:
"trainfan1" wrote in message
...
http://www.bernama.com.my/bernama/v3/news.php?id=283226

Rob
Based on what I have read here and on the manufacturers sites I would prefer
an E-Tec to power the next boat I purchase.

Having said that..........what is the future of 2 strokes? Will the E-Tec
survive future new and stricter emmisions standards for marine engines? Are
they as environmentally friendly as the 4 strokes manufactured by the other
marine outboard engine big boys?
Uh, you might want to search on some large-scale "boating" discussion
boards.

Karen? Is that you?

Tom,
So you too have noticed that HK's position concerning E-Tec and hi-tech
2 strokes, is directly related to the engine he owns. I can remember
when he thought 4 strokes were a piece of **** that added extra weight
to the rear of the boat, and really didn't have any other advantage over
the hi-tech 2 strokes. He must have made over 2000 posts directed
towards Karen discussing this in detail. I think it was basically
"Karen you don't know ****, you are an asshole, and why do you come here
quoting from other boating discussion boards when people who own them in
rec.boats all love them. .

I think he is just pimping for whatever product he owns.

He has a right to his opinion and if that opinion changes over time,
he's just like the rest of us.

I just don't agree with him.

On Thu, 06 Sep 2007 07:43:47 -0400, HK wrote:

Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
On Thu, 6 Sep 2007 00:00:10 -0300, "Don White"
wrote:

"HK" wrote in message
news Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
On Wed, 05 Sep 2007 21:39:06 -0400, HK wrote:

At some point, Evinrude and Mercury will be out of the two cycle
outboard business.
May be true for Merc, but the Optimax is not going anywhere for a long
time for a variety of reasons.

Evinrude only builds two strokes.

And despite your experience, I'm seeing more and more ETECs around
here.


That's right...the smaller four cycle evinrudes are called johnsons.
Was I dreaming... or did I read somewhere that Evinrude will bump Johnson
out of the small 'kicker' engine market with small versions of ETEC
outboards?

There has been talk of that for a while, but the technology doesn't
translate well to engines smaller than 40 for some technical reason
that I don't remember - has to do with RPM levels and cubic capacity.
Not to mention price point.

Which is not to say that they won't solve it eventually, there is just
a technical problem at this point.

Hmmmm. I wonder what Evinrude/Johnson's market penetration is since the
OMC demise.

You mean as compared to product dumping like Yamaha?

Quite well actually for new technology. The more the word spreads,
the more it's becoming accepted.

You are behind the times Harry - trade the Yamahamamama for some
decent technology instead of ancient technology.

Don't be a Luddite. :)

On Sep 6, 6:09 am, Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
On Thu, 6 Sep 2007 00:00:10 -0300, "Don White"





wrote:

"HK" wrote in message
news
Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
On Wed, 05 Sep 2007 21:39:06 -0400, HK wrote:

At some point, Evinrude and Mercury will be out of the two cycle
outboard business.

May be true for Merc, but the Optimax is not going anywhere for a long
time for a variety of reasons.

Evinrude only builds two strokes.

And despite your experience, I'm seeing more and more ETECs around
here.

That's right...the smaller four cycle evinrudes are called johnsons.

Was I dreaming... or did I read somewhere that Evinrude will bump Johnson
out of the small 'kicker' engine market with small versions of ETEC
outboards?

There has been talk of that for a while, but the technology doesn't
translate well to engines smaller than 40 for some technical reason
that I don't remember - has to do with RPM levels and cubic capacity.
Not to mention price point.

Now that's the kind of thing that gets me thinking. Is it the
materials they use, the weight of the pistons maybe, or the flywheel.
Have they played with the compression, or timing.. errrr. Why would it
not work, what is different about the technology. Fuel delivery?? Now
I am going to have to do some reading, grrrrr.


Which is not to say that they won't solve it eventually, there is just
a technical problem at this point.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
On Thu, 06 Sep 2007 07:43:47 -0400, HK wrote:

Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
On Thu, 6 Sep 2007 00:00:10 -0300, "Don White"
wrote:

"HK" wrote in message
news Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
On Wed, 05 Sep 2007 21:39:06 -0400, HK wrote:

At some point, Evinrude and Mercury will be out of the two cycle
outboard business.
May be true for Merc, but the Optimax is not going anywhere for a long
time for a variety of reasons.

Evinrude only builds two strokes.

And despite your experience, I'm seeing more and more ETECs around
here.

That's right...the smaller four cycle evinrudes are called johnsons.
Was I dreaming... or did I read somewhere that Evinrude will bump Johnson
out of the small 'kicker' engine market with small versions of ETEC
outboards?
There has been talk of that for a while, but the technology doesn't
translate well to engines smaller than 40 for some technical reason
that I don't remember - has to do with RPM levels and cubic capacity.
Not to mention price point.

Which is not to say that they won't solve it eventually, there is just
a technical problem at this point.
Hmmmm. I wonder what Evinrude/Johnson's market penetration is since the
OMC demise.

You mean as compared to product dumping like Yamaha?

Quite well actually for new technology. The more the word spreads,
the more it's becoming accepted.

You are behind the times Harry - trade the Yamahamamama for some
decent technology instead of ancient technology.

Don't be a Luddite. :)


Ahh. Maybe Evinrude is shipping its engines to this area sith Yamaha,
Mercury and Suzuki covers.

On Thu, 06 Sep 2007 12:07:21 -0000,
wrote:

Now that's the kind of thing that gets me thinking. Is it the
materials they use, the weight of the pistons maybe, or the flywheel.
Have they played with the compression, or timing.. errrr. Why would it
not work, what is different about the technology. Fuel delivery?? Now
I am going to have to do some reading, grrrrr.

Not really - it has to do with capacity and timing issues for the
injector. Apparently, they can make it work, but the whole thing
about weight/power ratios is an issue.

Plus the EMM software and hardware is expensive and when you are
looking at engines that only price out at 2/3K, it's not exactly a
money maker.

It is the one area where four strokes have the advantage compared to
higher tech like ETEC - and I hesitate to say this, but normally
aspirated two stroke engines.

On Thu, 06 Sep 2007 12:02:40 GMT, Short Wave Sportfishing
wrote:

On Thu, 06 Sep 2007 07:06:27 -0400, "Reginald P. Smithers III"
wrote:

Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
On Wed, 05 Sep 2007 19:08:04 -0400, HK wrote:

JimH wrote:
"trainfan1" wrote in message
...
http://www.bernama.com.my/bernama/v3/news.php?id=283226

Rob
Based on what I have read here and on the manufacturers sites I would prefer
an E-Tec to power the next boat I purchase.

Having said that..........what is the future of 2 strokes? Will the E-Tec
survive future new and stricter emmisions standards for marine engines? Are
they as environmentally friendly as the 4 strokes manufactured by the other
marine outboard engine big boys?
Uh, you might want to search on some large-scale "boating" discussion
boards.

Karen? Is that you?

Tom,
So you too have noticed that HK's position concerning E-Tec and hi-tech
2 strokes, is directly related to the engine he owns. I can remember
when he thought 4 strokes were a piece of **** that added extra weight
to the rear of the boat, and really didn't have any other advantage over
the hi-tech 2 strokes. He must have made over 2000 posts directed
towards Karen discussing this in detail. I think it was basically
"Karen you don't know ****, you are an asshole, and why do you come here
quoting from other boating discussion boards when people who own them in
rec.boats all love them. .

I think he is just pimping for whatever product he owns.

He has a right to his opinion and if that opinion changes over time,
he's just like the rest of us.

I just don't agree with him.

And he's a really nice guy. He's just got a few foibles which we should all
overlook!

On Thu, 06 Sep 2007 12:47:23 -0500, John H.
wrote:

On Thu, 06 Sep 2007 12:02:40 GMT, Short Wave Sportfishing
wrote:

On Thu, 06 Sep 2007 07:06:27 -0400, "Reginald P. Smithers III"
wrote:

Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
On Wed, 05 Sep 2007 19:08:04 -0400, HK wrote:

JimH wrote:
"trainfan1" wrote in message
...
http://www.bernama.com.my/bernama/v3/news.php?id=283226

Rob
Based on what I have read here and on the manufacturers sites I would prefer
an E-Tec to power the next boat I purchase.

Having said that..........what is the future of 2 strokes? Will the E-Tec
survive future new and stricter emmisions standards for marine engines? Are
they as environmentally friendly as the 4 strokes manufactured by the other
marine outboard engine big boys?
Uh, you might want to search on some large-scale "boating" discussion
boards.

Karen? Is that you?

Tom,
So you too have noticed that HK's position concerning E-Tec and hi-tech
2 strokes, is directly related to the engine he owns. I can remember
when he thought 4 strokes were a piece of **** that added extra weight
to the rear of the boat, and really didn't have any other advantage over
the hi-tech 2 strokes. He must have made over 2000 posts directed
towards Karen discussing this in detail. I think it was basically
"Karen you don't know ****, you are an asshole, and why do you come here
quoting from other boating discussion boards when people who own them in
rec.boats all love them. .

I think he is just pimping for whatever product he owns.

He has a right to his opinion and if that opinion changes over time,
he's just like the rest of us.

I just don't agree with him.

And he's a really nice guy. He's just got a few foibles which we should all
overlook!

As do you, me and everybody else except Chuck who is almost never
wrong.

It's called being human.

Except for Chuck.

Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
On Thu, 06 Sep 2007 12:47:23 -0500, John H.
wrote:

On Thu, 06 Sep 2007 12:02:40 GMT, Short Wave Sportfishing
wrote:

On Thu, 06 Sep 2007 07:06:27 -0400, "Reginald P. Smithers III"
wrote:

Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
On Wed, 05 Sep 2007 19:08:04 -0400, HK wrote:

JimH wrote:
"trainfan1" wrote in message
...
http://www.bernama.com.my/bernama/v3/news.php?id=283226

Rob
Based on what I have read here and on the manufacturers sites I would prefer
an E-Tec to power the next boat I purchase.

Having said that..........what is the future of 2 strokes? Will the E-Tec
survive future new and stricter emmisions standards for marine engines? Are
they as environmentally friendly as the 4 strokes manufactured by the other
marine outboard engine big boys?
Uh, you might want to search on some large-scale "boating" discussion
boards.
Karen? Is that you?
Tom,
So you too have noticed that HK's position concerning E-Tec and hi-tech
2 strokes, is directly related to the engine he owns. I can remember
when he thought 4 strokes were a piece of **** that added extra weight
to the rear of the boat, and really didn't have any other advantage over
the hi-tech 2 strokes. He must have made over 2000 posts directed
towards Karen discussing this in detail. I think it was basically
"Karen you don't know ****, you are an asshole, and why do you come here
quoting from other boating discussion boards when people who own them in
rec.boats all love them. .

I think he is just pimping for whatever product he owns.
He has a right to his opinion and if that opinion changes over time,
he's just like the rest of us.

I just don't agree with him.
And he's a really nice guy. He's just got a few foibles which we should all
overlook!

As do you, me and everybody else except Chuck who is almost never
wrong.

It's called being human.

Except for Chuck.


Tom,
Chuck and you might have disagreed on some issues, but most of his
discussion has focused on issue being discussed. I don't think he has
ever trolled with posts, just so he could say "See I told you SWF was a
real asshole". No one in this NG has come close to Harry in hurling
more personal insults, and trolling for more fights than Harry. There
is a world of difference between the normal disagreement you and Chuck
has discussed and the name calling by the NG's favorite troll.

Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
On Thu, 06 Sep 2007 12:47:23 -0500, John H.
wrote:

On Thu, 06 Sep 2007 12:02:40 GMT, Short Wave Sportfishing
wrote:

On Thu, 06 Sep 2007 07:06:27 -0400, "Reginald P. Smithers III"
wrote:

Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
On Wed, 05 Sep 2007 19:08:04 -0400, HK wrote:

JimH wrote:
"trainfan1" wrote in message
...
http://www.bernama.com.my/bernama/v3/news.php?id=283226

Rob
Based on what I have read here and on the manufacturers sites I would prefer
an E-Tec to power the next boat I purchase.

Having said that..........what is the future of 2 strokes? Will the E-Tec
survive future new and stricter emmisions standards for marine engines? Are
they as environmentally friendly as the 4 strokes manufactured by the other
marine outboard engine big boys?
Uh, you might want to search on some large-scale "boating" discussion
boards.
Karen? Is that you?
Tom,
So you too have noticed that HK's position concerning E-Tec and hi-tech
2 strokes, is directly related to the engine he owns. I can remember
when he thought 4 strokes were a piece of **** that added extra weight
to the rear of the boat, and really didn't have any other advantage over
the hi-tech 2 strokes. He must have made over 2000 posts directed
towards Karen discussing this in detail. I think it was basically
"Karen you don't know ****, you are an asshole, and why do you come here
quoting from other boating discussion boards when people who own them in
rec.boats all love them. .

I think he is just pimping for whatever product he owns.
He has a right to his opinion and if that opinion changes over time,
he's just like the rest of us.

I just don't agree with him.
And he's a really nice guy. He's just got a few foibles which we should all
overlook!

As do you, me and everybody else except Chuck who is almost never
wrong.

It's called being human.

Except for Chuck.


Herring *tries* so hard here...

On Thu, 06 Sep 2007 18:51:29 GMT, Short Wave Sportfishing
wrote:

On Thu, 06 Sep 2007 12:47:23 -0500, John H.
wrote:

On Thu, 06 Sep 2007 12:02:40 GMT, Short Wave Sportfishing
wrote:

On Thu, 06 Sep 2007 07:06:27 -0400, "Reginald P. Smithers III"
wrote:

Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
On Wed, 05 Sep 2007 19:08:04 -0400, HK wrote:

JimH wrote:
"trainfan1" wrote in message
...
http://www.bernama.com.my/bernama/v3/news.php?id=283226

Rob
Based on what I have read here and on the manufacturers sites I would prefer
an E-Tec to power the next boat I purchase.

Having said that..........what is the future of 2 strokes? Will the E-Tec
survive future new and stricter emmisions standards for marine engines? Are
they as environmentally friendly as the 4 strokes manufactured by the other
marine outboard engine big boys?
Uh, you might want to search on some large-scale "boating" discussion
boards.

Karen? Is that you?

Tom,
So you too have noticed that HK's position concerning E-Tec and hi-tech
2 strokes, is directly related to the engine he owns. I can remember
when he thought 4 strokes were a piece of **** that added extra weight
to the rear of the boat, and really didn't have any other advantage over
the hi-tech 2 strokes. He must have made over 2000 posts directed
towards Karen discussing this in detail. I think it was basically
"Karen you don't know ****, you are an asshole, and why do you come here
quoting from other boating discussion boards when people who own them in
rec.boats all love them. .

I think he is just pimping for whatever product he owns.

He has a right to his opinion and if that opinion changes over time,
he's just like the rest of us.

I just don't agree with him.

And he's a really nice guy. He's just got a few foibles which we should all
overlook!

As do you, me and everybody else except Chuck who is almost never
wrong.

It's called being human.

Except for Chuck.

I keep waiting for Chuck to start talking about killing Republicans and
calling every other poster here an asshole. But hey, as long as Harry gets
your support and that of a few others, he'll keep doing the same.

'Foibles'...some of y'all gotta love 'em!