Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
On Wed, 05 Sep 2007 21:39:06 -0400, HK wrote:

At some point, Evinrude and Mercury
will be out of the two cycle outboard business.

May be true for Merc, but the Optimax is not going anywhere for a long
time for a variety of reasons.

Evinrude only builds two strokes.

And despite your experience, I'm seeing more and more ETECs around
here.



That's right...the smaller four cycle evinrudes are called johnsons.

On Sep 5, 10:16 pm, HK wrote:
Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
On Wed, 05 Sep 2007 21:39:06 -0400, HK wrote:

At some point, Evinrude and Mercury
will be out of the two cycle outboard business.

May be true for Merc, but the Optimax is not going anywhere for a long
time for a variety of reasons.

Evinrude only builds two strokes.

And despite your experience, I'm seeing more and more ETECs around
here.

That's right...the smaller four cycle evinrudes are called johnsons.

I drove that Ranger and got a good ride around Fishers Island Sound,
the race, etc. It is so frekin' smooth in the chop or in acceleration.
The other un-noticable thing is the noise, it is very quiet, you can
talk while cruising at 4500, no problem. You all know I don't have a
lot of experience with larger engines but when you throttle up the
Ranger, you feel like you got a set of 50's and positraction, Never
felt power delivered so smoothly. 20 foot Ranger, 200 E-TEC/90 degree
head, 4 blade SS prop.

"HK" wrote in message
news
Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
On Wed, 05 Sep 2007 21:39:06 -0400, HK wrote:

At some point, Evinrude and Mercury will be out of the two cycle
outboard business.

May be true for Merc, but the Optimax is not going anywhere for a long
time for a variety of reasons.

Evinrude only builds two strokes.

And despite your experience, I'm seeing more and more ETECs around
here.



That's right...the smaller four cycle evinrudes are called johnsons.

Was I dreaming... or did I read somewhere that Evinrude will bump Johnson
out of the small 'kicker' engine market with small versions of ETEC
outboards?

"HK" wrote in message
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Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
On Wed, 05 Sep 2007 20:31:30 -0400, HK wrote:

Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
On Wed, 05 Sep 2007 19:08:04 -0400, HK wrote:

JimH wrote:
"trainfan1" wrote in message
...
http://www.bernama.com.my/bernama/v3/news.php?id=283226

Rob
Based on what I have read here and on the manufacturers sites I would
prefer an E-Tec to power the next boat I purchase.

Having said that..........what is the future of 2 strokes? Will the
E-Tec survive future new and stricter emmisions standards for marine
engines? Are they as environmentally friendly as the 4 strokes
manufactured by the other marine outboard engine big boys?
Uh, you might want to search on some large-scale "boating" discussion
boards.
Karen? Is that you?
Naw, but there seem to be any number of "isolated" problems with some of
the etecs, some of which involve powerhead replacements. Dunno why.

Oh - you mean the ones that Karen posted?

Those have been around for a while and it's always a friend of a
friend or indirect "evidence".


I'm not concerned about etecs. I gave up on evinrudes in the late 1960s,
when my father dropped the line!

My current problem is that, d'oh, when I sold off Yo Ho I, I also sold off
my C-MAP user chips and forgot to back them up. I had several hundred
fishing waypoints on them, and now...well, one guess.

The guy who bought Yo-ho dislikes you?

On Thu, 6 Sep 2007 00:00:10 -0300, "Don White"
wrote:


"HK" wrote in message
news
Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
On Wed, 05 Sep 2007 21:39:06 -0400, HK wrote:

At some point, Evinrude and Mercury will be out of the two cycle
outboard business.

May be true for Merc, but the Optimax is not going anywhere for a long
time for a variety of reasons.

Evinrude only builds two strokes.

And despite your experience, I'm seeing more and more ETECs around
here.



That's right...the smaller four cycle evinrudes are called johnsons.

Was I dreaming... or did I read somewhere that Evinrude will bump Johnson
out of the small 'kicker' engine market with small versions of ETEC
outboards?

There has been talk of that for a while, but the technology doesn't
translate well to engines smaller than 40 for some technical reason
that I don't remember - has to do with RPM levels and cubic capacity.
Not to mention price point.

Which is not to say that they won't solve it eventually, there is just
a technical problem at this point.

Calif Bill wrote:
"HK" wrote in message
...
Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
On Wed, 05 Sep 2007 20:31:30 -0400, HK wrote:

Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
On Wed, 05 Sep 2007 19:08:04 -0400, HK wrote:

JimH wrote:
"trainfan1" wrote in message
...
http://www.bernama.com.my/bernama/v3/news.php?id=283226

Rob
Based on what I have read here and on the manufacturers sites I would
prefer an E-Tec to power the next boat I purchase.

Having said that..........what is the future of 2 strokes? Will the
E-Tec survive future new and stricter emmisions standards for marine
engines? Are they as environmentally friendly as the 4 strokes
manufactured by the other marine outboard engine big boys?
Uh, you might want to search on some large-scale "boating" discussion
boards.
Karen? Is that you?
Naw, but there seem to be any number of "isolated" problems with some of
the etecs, some of which involve powerhead replacements. Dunno why.
Oh - you mean the ones that Karen posted?

Those have been around for a while and it's always a friend of a
friend or indirect "evidence".

I'm not concerned about etecs. I gave up on evinrudes in the late 1960s,
when my father dropped the line!

My current problem is that, d'oh, when I sold off Yo Ho I, I also sold off
my C-MAP user chips and forgot to back them up. I had several hundred
fishing waypoints on them, and now...well, one guess.

The guy who bought Yo-ho dislikes you?




He lives in a different area. The user chips are erasable and
rewritable. You figure out the rest.

Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
On Wed, 05 Sep 2007 19:08:04 -0400, HK wrote:

JimH wrote:
"trainfan1" wrote in message
...
http://www.bernama.com.my/bernama/v3/news.php?id=283226

Rob
Based on what I have read here and on the manufacturers sites I would prefer
an E-Tec to power the next boat I purchase.

Having said that..........what is the future of 2 strokes? Will the E-Tec
survive future new and stricter emmisions standards for marine engines? Are
they as environmentally friendly as the 4 strokes manufactured by the other
marine outboard engine big boys?
Uh, you might want to search on some large-scale "boating" discussion
boards.

Karen? Is that you?

Tom,
So you too have noticed that HK's position concerning E-Tec and hi-tech
2 strokes, is directly related to the engine he owns. I can remember
when he thought 4 strokes were a piece of **** that added extra weight
to the rear of the boat, and really didn't have any other advantage over
the hi-tech 2 strokes. He must have made over 2000 posts directed
towards Karen discussing this in detail. I think it was basically
"Karen you don't know ****, you are an asshole, and why do you come here
quoting from other boating discussion boards when people who own them in
rec.boats all love them. .

I think he is just pimping for whatever product he owns.

HK wrote:
Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
On Wed, 05 Sep 2007 20:31:30 -0400, HK wrote:

Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
On Wed, 05 Sep 2007 19:08:04 -0400, HK wrote:

JimH wrote:
"trainfan1" wrote in message
...
http://www.bernama.com.my/bernama/v3/news.php?id=283226

Rob
Based on what I have read here and on the manufacturers sites I
would prefer an E-Tec to power the next boat I purchase.

Having said that..........what is the future of 2 strokes? Will
the E-Tec survive future new and stricter emmisions standards for
marine engines? Are they as environmentally friendly as the 4
strokes manufactured by the other marine outboard engine big boys?
Uh, you might want to search on some large-scale "boating"
discussion boards.
Karen? Is that you?
Naw, but there seem to be any number of "isolated" problems with some
of the etecs, some of which involve powerhead replacements. Dunno why.

Oh - you mean the ones that Karen posted?

Those have been around for a while and it's always a friend of a
friend or indirect "evidence".


I'm not concerned about etecs. I gave up on evinrudes in the late 1960s,
when my father dropped the line!

My current problem is that, d'oh, when I sold off Yo Ho I, I also sold
off my C-MAP user chips and forgot to back them up. I had several
hundred fishing waypoints on them, and now...well, one guess.

Harry,
You must have been punching in fishing waypoints at over 2 an hour to
have several hundred fishing way points in YoHo. If you were doing
this, you really never came back to any of the "old waypoints" anyway,
so whats the big deal. You really need to sit back and enjoy the boat
and spend some time fishing and using the boat, instead of worring about
punching in waypoints.

Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
On Thu, 6 Sep 2007 00:00:10 -0300, "Don White"
wrote:

"HK" wrote in message
news
Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
On Wed, 05 Sep 2007 21:39:06 -0400, HK wrote:

At some point, Evinrude and Mercury will be out of the two cycle
outboard business.
May be true for Merc, but the Optimax is not going anywhere for a long
time for a variety of reasons.

Evinrude only builds two strokes.

And despite your experience, I'm seeing more and more ETECs around
here.


That's right...the smaller four cycle evinrudes are called johnsons.
Was I dreaming... or did I read somewhere that Evinrude will bump Johnson
out of the small 'kicker' engine market with small versions of ETEC
outboards?

There has been talk of that for a while, but the technology doesn't
translate well to engines smaller than 40 for some technical reason
that I don't remember - has to do with RPM levels and cubic capacity.
Not to mention price point.

Which is not to say that they won't solve it eventually, there is just
a technical problem at this point.


Hmmmm. I wonder what Evinrude/Johnson's market penetration is since the
OMC demise.

On Sep 5, 7:14 pm, Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
On Wed, 05 Sep 2007 19:06:30 -0400, HK wrote:
Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
On Wed, 05 Sep 2007 15:29:23 -0700, Chuck Gould
wrote:

On Sep 5, 3:25?pm, Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
On Wed, 05 Sep 2007 17:41:12 -0400, trainfan1

wrote:
http://www.bernama.com.my/bernama/v3/news.php?id=283226
Today - Malaysia

Tomorrow?

THE WORLD!!!!

MMUUUAAAWWAAAHHHHHAAAAAA!!!!!
Another perspective might be "Yesterday the whole world, today just
Malaysia" :-)

Eh - good point.

Wow...a PR item from the distributor of these etec outboards.

So? It's merely pointing out that ETEC is superior technology to
other outboard technology.

Those of us in the direct injection two stroke world are clearly
superior types, but we like to keep a low profile.

to borrow a phrase, smerk...


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