On Wed, 05 Sep 2007 20:52:15 -0400, HK wrote:

Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
On Wed, 05 Sep 2007 20:31:30 -0400, HK wrote:

Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
On Wed, 05 Sep 2007 19:08:04 -0400, HK wrote:

JimH wrote:
"trainfan1" wrote in message
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http://www.bernama.com.my/bernama/v3/news.php?id=283226

Rob
Based on what I have read here and on the manufacturers sites I would prefer
an E-Tec to power the next boat I purchase.

Having said that..........what is the future of 2 strokes? Will the E-Tec
survive future new and stricter emmisions standards for marine engines? Are
they as environmentally friendly as the 4 strokes manufactured by the other
marine outboard engine big boys?
Uh, you might want to search on some large-scale "boating" discussion
boards.
Karen? Is that you?
Naw, but there seem to be any number of "isolated" problems with some of
the etecs, some of which involve powerhead replacements. Dunno why.

Oh - you mean the ones that Karen posted?

Those have been around for a while and it's always a friend of a
friend or indirect "evidence".


There are some "current" first-person tales of failure on thehulltruth.

"Just a heads up. My neighbor lost the powerhead on his 200 hp 2006
etec."

know the feeling . my 2007 250 opti blew in the first 2.5 miles

One I recall from last week was from a fellow with a 175 etec that blew
up after about eight hours of running. Of course, the etec acolytes
jumped right on the guy... :}

You mean RAS?

He's a Suzuki dealer. :)

Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
On Wed, 05 Sep 2007 20:52:15 -0400, HK wrote:

Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
On Wed, 05 Sep 2007 20:31:30 -0400, HK wrote:

Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
On Wed, 05 Sep 2007 19:08:04 -0400, HK wrote:

JimH wrote:
"trainfan1" wrote in message
...
http://www.bernama.com.my/bernama/v3/news.php?id=283226

Rob
Based on what I have read here and on the manufacturers sites I would prefer
an E-Tec to power the next boat I purchase.

Having said that..........what is the future of 2 strokes? Will the E-Tec
survive future new and stricter emmisions standards for marine engines? Are
they as environmentally friendly as the 4 strokes manufactured by the other
marine outboard engine big boys?
Uh, you might want to search on some large-scale "boating" discussion
boards.
Karen? Is that you?
Naw, but there seem to be any number of "isolated" problems with some of
the etecs, some of which involve powerhead replacements. Dunno why.
Oh - you mean the ones that Karen posted?

Those have been around for a while and it's always a friend of a
friend or indirect "evidence".

There are some "current" first-person tales of failure on thehulltruth.

"Just a heads up. My neighbor lost the powerhead on his 200 hp 2006
etec."

know the feeling . my 2007 250 opti blew in the first 2.5 miles

One I recall from last week was from a fellow with a 175 etec that blew
up after about eight hours of running. Of course, the etec acolytes
jumped right on the guy... :}

You mean RAS?

He's a Suzuki dealer. :)


Well, Tom, so far I have seen one etec, on the watercop's boat. But the
boat never seems to leave the marina, except to hassle the guys who fish
near a close-by oysterbed. There's a "dealer" of Evinrudes right at the
marina. He doesn't seem to be enjoying much market penetration, less
even than the Honda dealers. (I am referring to the larger outboards; I
don't pay attention to the smaller ones.)


I see the etecs as the same sort of interim "high tech" two stroke
solution that the Optimaxes are. At some point, Evinrude and Mercury
will be out of the two cycle outboard business. Yamaha and Suzuki are
farther along that road.

On Wed, 05 Sep 2007 21:39:06 -0400, HK wrote:

At some point, Evinrude and Mercury
will be out of the two cycle outboard business.

May be true for Merc, but the Optimax is not going anywhere for a long
time for a variety of reasons.

Evinrude only builds two strokes.

And despite your experience, I'm seeing more and more ETECs around
here.

Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
On Wed, 05 Sep 2007 21:39:06 -0400, HK wrote:

At some point, Evinrude and Mercury
will be out of the two cycle outboard business.

May be true for Merc, but the Optimax is not going anywhere for a long
time for a variety of reasons.

Evinrude only builds two strokes.

And despite your experience, I'm seeing more and more ETECs around
here.



That's right...the smaller four cycle evinrudes are called johnsons.

On Sep 5, 10:16 pm, HK wrote:
Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
On Wed, 05 Sep 2007 21:39:06 -0400, HK wrote:

At some point, Evinrude and Mercury
will be out of the two cycle outboard business.

May be true for Merc, but the Optimax is not going anywhere for a long
time for a variety of reasons.

Evinrude only builds two strokes.

And despite your experience, I'm seeing more and more ETECs around
here.

That's right...the smaller four cycle evinrudes are called johnsons.

I drove that Ranger and got a good ride around Fishers Island Sound,
the race, etc. It is so frekin' smooth in the chop or in acceleration.
The other un-noticable thing is the noise, it is very quiet, you can
talk while cruising at 4500, no problem. You all know I don't have a
lot of experience with larger engines but when you throttle up the
Ranger, you feel like you got a set of 50's and positraction, Never
felt power delivered so smoothly. 20 foot Ranger, 200 E-TEC/90 degree
head, 4 blade SS prop.

"HK" wrote in message
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Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
On Wed, 05 Sep 2007 21:39:06 -0400, HK wrote:

At some point, Evinrude and Mercury will be out of the two cycle
outboard business.

May be true for Merc, but the Optimax is not going anywhere for a long
time for a variety of reasons.

Evinrude only builds two strokes.

And despite your experience, I'm seeing more and more ETECs around
here.



That's right...the smaller four cycle evinrudes are called johnsons.

Was I dreaming... or did I read somewhere that Evinrude will bump Johnson
out of the small 'kicker' engine market with small versions of ETEC
outboards?

On Thu, 6 Sep 2007 00:00:10 -0300, "Don White"
wrote:


"HK" wrote in message
news
Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
On Wed, 05 Sep 2007 21:39:06 -0400, HK wrote:

At some point, Evinrude and Mercury will be out of the two cycle
outboard business.

May be true for Merc, but the Optimax is not going anywhere for a long
time for a variety of reasons.

Evinrude only builds two strokes.

And despite your experience, I'm seeing more and more ETECs around
here.



That's right...the smaller four cycle evinrudes are called johnsons.

Was I dreaming... or did I read somewhere that Evinrude will bump Johnson
out of the small 'kicker' engine market with small versions of ETEC
outboards?

There has been talk of that for a while, but the technology doesn't
translate well to engines smaller than 40 for some technical reason
that I don't remember - has to do with RPM levels and cubic capacity.
Not to mention price point.

Which is not to say that they won't solve it eventually, there is just
a technical problem at this point.

Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
On Thu, 6 Sep 2007 00:00:10 -0300, "Don White"
wrote:

"HK" wrote in message
news
Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
On Wed, 05 Sep 2007 21:39:06 -0400, HK wrote:

At some point, Evinrude and Mercury will be out of the two cycle
outboard business.
May be true for Merc, but the Optimax is not going anywhere for a long
time for a variety of reasons.

Evinrude only builds two strokes.

And despite your experience, I'm seeing more and more ETECs around
here.


That's right...the smaller four cycle evinrudes are called johnsons.
Was I dreaming... or did I read somewhere that Evinrude will bump Johnson
out of the small 'kicker' engine market with small versions of ETEC
outboards?

There has been talk of that for a while, but the technology doesn't
translate well to engines smaller than 40 for some technical reason
that I don't remember - has to do with RPM levels and cubic capacity.
Not to mention price point.

Which is not to say that they won't solve it eventually, there is just
a technical problem at this point.


Hmmmm. I wonder what Evinrude/Johnson's market penetration is since the
OMC demise.

On Sep 6, 6:09 am, Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
On Thu, 6 Sep 2007 00:00:10 -0300, "Don White"





wrote:

"HK" wrote in message
news
Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
On Wed, 05 Sep 2007 21:39:06 -0400, HK wrote:

At some point, Evinrude and Mercury will be out of the two cycle
outboard business.

May be true for Merc, but the Optimax is not going anywhere for a long
time for a variety of reasons.

Evinrude only builds two strokes.

And despite your experience, I'm seeing more and more ETECs around
here.

That's right...the smaller four cycle evinrudes are called johnsons.

Was I dreaming... or did I read somewhere that Evinrude will bump Johnson
out of the small 'kicker' engine market with small versions of ETEC
outboards?

There has been talk of that for a while, but the technology doesn't
translate well to engines smaller than 40 for some technical reason
that I don't remember - has to do with RPM levels and cubic capacity.
Not to mention price point.

Now that's the kind of thing that gets me thinking. Is it the
materials they use, the weight of the pistons maybe, or the flywheel.
Have they played with the compression, or timing.. errrr. Why would it
not work, what is different about the technology. Fuel delivery?? Now
I am going to have to do some reading, grrrrr.


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