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Eco-Friendly Boat Engine A Sell-out...
On Thu, 06 Sep 2007 07:06:27 -0400, "Reginald P. Smithers III"
wrote: Short Wave Sportfishing wrote: On Wed, 05 Sep 2007 19:08:04 -0400, HK wrote: JimH wrote: "trainfan1" wrote in message ... http://www.bernama.com.my/bernama/v3/news.php?id=283226 Rob Based on what I have read here and on the manufacturers sites I would prefer an E-Tec to power the next boat I purchase. Having said that..........what is the future of 2 strokes? Will the E-Tec survive future new and stricter emmisions standards for marine engines? Are they as environmentally friendly as the 4 strokes manufactured by the other marine outboard engine big boys? Uh, you might want to search on some large-scale "boating" discussion boards. Karen? Is that you? Tom, So you too have noticed that HK's position concerning E-Tec and hi-tech 2 strokes, is directly related to the engine he owns. I can remember when he thought 4 strokes were a piece of **** that added extra weight to the rear of the boat, and really didn't have any other advantage over the hi-tech 2 strokes. He must have made over 2000 posts directed towards Karen discussing this in detail. I think it was basically "Karen you don't know ****, you are an asshole, and why do you come here quoting from other boating discussion boards when people who own them in rec.boats all love them. . I think he is just pimping for whatever product he owns. He has a right to his opinion and if that opinion changes over time, he's just like the rest of us. I just don't agree with him. |
Eco-Friendly Boat Engine A Sell-out...
On Thu, 06 Sep 2007 07:43:47 -0400, HK wrote:
Short Wave Sportfishing wrote: On Thu, 6 Sep 2007 00:00:10 -0300, "Don White" wrote: "HK" wrote in message . .. Short Wave Sportfishing wrote: On Wed, 05 Sep 2007 21:39:06 -0400, HK wrote: At some point, Evinrude and Mercury will be out of the two cycle outboard business. May be true for Merc, but the Optimax is not going anywhere for a long time for a variety of reasons. Evinrude only builds two strokes. And despite your experience, I'm seeing more and more ETECs around here. That's right...the smaller four cycle evinrudes are called johnsons. Was I dreaming... or did I read somewhere that Evinrude will bump Johnson out of the small 'kicker' engine market with small versions of ETEC outboards? There has been talk of that for a while, but the technology doesn't translate well to engines smaller than 40 for some technical reason that I don't remember - has to do with RPM levels and cubic capacity. Not to mention price point. Which is not to say that they won't solve it eventually, there is just a technical problem at this point. Hmmmm. I wonder what Evinrude/Johnson's market penetration is since the OMC demise. You mean as compared to product dumping like Yamaha? Quite well actually for new technology. The more the word spreads, the more it's becoming accepted. You are behind the times Harry - trade the Yamahamamama for some decent technology instead of ancient technology. Don't be a Luddite. :) |
Eco-Friendly Boat Engine A Sell-out...
On Sep 6, 6:09 am, Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
On Thu, 6 Sep 2007 00:00:10 -0300, "Don White" wrote: "HK" wrote in message ... Short Wave Sportfishing wrote: On Wed, 05 Sep 2007 21:39:06 -0400, HK wrote: At some point, Evinrude and Mercury will be out of the two cycle outboard business. May be true for Merc, but the Optimax is not going anywhere for a long time for a variety of reasons. Evinrude only builds two strokes. And despite your experience, I'm seeing more and more ETECs around here. That's right...the smaller four cycle evinrudes are called johnsons. Was I dreaming... or did I read somewhere that Evinrude will bump Johnson out of the small 'kicker' engine market with small versions of ETEC outboards? There has been talk of that for a while, but the technology doesn't translate well to engines smaller than 40 for some technical reason that I don't remember - has to do with RPM levels and cubic capacity. Not to mention price point. Now that's the kind of thing that gets me thinking. Is it the materials they use, the weight of the pistons maybe, or the flywheel. Have they played with the compression, or timing.. errrr. Why would it not work, what is different about the technology. Fuel delivery?? Now I am going to have to do some reading, grrrrr. Which is not to say that they won't solve it eventually, there is just a technical problem at this point.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - |
Eco-Friendly Boat Engine A Sell-out...
Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
On Thu, 06 Sep 2007 07:43:47 -0400, HK wrote: Short Wave Sportfishing wrote: On Thu, 6 Sep 2007 00:00:10 -0300, "Don White" wrote: "HK" wrote in message . .. Short Wave Sportfishing wrote: On Wed, 05 Sep 2007 21:39:06 -0400, HK wrote: At some point, Evinrude and Mercury will be out of the two cycle outboard business. May be true for Merc, but the Optimax is not going anywhere for a long time for a variety of reasons. Evinrude only builds two strokes. And despite your experience, I'm seeing more and more ETECs around here. That's right...the smaller four cycle evinrudes are called johnsons. Was I dreaming... or did I read somewhere that Evinrude will bump Johnson out of the small 'kicker' engine market with small versions of ETEC outboards? There has been talk of that for a while, but the technology doesn't translate well to engines smaller than 40 for some technical reason that I don't remember - has to do with RPM levels and cubic capacity. Not to mention price point. Which is not to say that they won't solve it eventually, there is just a technical problem at this point. Hmmmm. I wonder what Evinrude/Johnson's market penetration is since the OMC demise. You mean as compared to product dumping like Yamaha? Quite well actually for new technology. The more the word spreads, the more it's becoming accepted. You are behind the times Harry - trade the Yamahamamama for some decent technology instead of ancient technology. Don't be a Luddite. :) Ahh. Maybe Evinrude is shipping its engines to this area sith Yamaha, Mercury and Suzuki covers. |
Eco-Friendly Boat Engine A Sell-out...
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Eco-Friendly Boat Engine A Sell-out...
On Thu, 06 Sep 2007 12:02:40 GMT, Short Wave Sportfishing
wrote: On Thu, 06 Sep 2007 07:06:27 -0400, "Reginald P. Smithers III" wrote: Short Wave Sportfishing wrote: On Wed, 05 Sep 2007 19:08:04 -0400, HK wrote: JimH wrote: "trainfan1" wrote in message ... http://www.bernama.com.my/bernama/v3/news.php?id=283226 Rob Based on what I have read here and on the manufacturers sites I would prefer an E-Tec to power the next boat I purchase. Having said that..........what is the future of 2 strokes? Will the E-Tec survive future new and stricter emmisions standards for marine engines? Are they as environmentally friendly as the 4 strokes manufactured by the other marine outboard engine big boys? Uh, you might want to search on some large-scale "boating" discussion boards. Karen? Is that you? Tom, So you too have noticed that HK's position concerning E-Tec and hi-tech 2 strokes, is directly related to the engine he owns. I can remember when he thought 4 strokes were a piece of **** that added extra weight to the rear of the boat, and really didn't have any other advantage over the hi-tech 2 strokes. He must have made over 2000 posts directed towards Karen discussing this in detail. I think it was basically "Karen you don't know ****, you are an asshole, and why do you come here quoting from other boating discussion boards when people who own them in rec.boats all love them. . I think he is just pimping for whatever product he owns. He has a right to his opinion and if that opinion changes over time, he's just like the rest of us. I just don't agree with him. And he's a really nice guy. He's just got a few foibles which we should all overlook! |
Eco-Friendly Boat Engine A Sell-out...
On Thu, 06 Sep 2007 12:47:23 -0500, John H.
wrote: On Thu, 06 Sep 2007 12:02:40 GMT, Short Wave Sportfishing wrote: On Thu, 06 Sep 2007 07:06:27 -0400, "Reginald P. Smithers III" wrote: Short Wave Sportfishing wrote: On Wed, 05 Sep 2007 19:08:04 -0400, HK wrote: JimH wrote: "trainfan1" wrote in message ... http://www.bernama.com.my/bernama/v3/news.php?id=283226 Rob Based on what I have read here and on the manufacturers sites I would prefer an E-Tec to power the next boat I purchase. Having said that..........what is the future of 2 strokes? Will the E-Tec survive future new and stricter emmisions standards for marine engines? Are they as environmentally friendly as the 4 strokes manufactured by the other marine outboard engine big boys? Uh, you might want to search on some large-scale "boating" discussion boards. Karen? Is that you? Tom, So you too have noticed that HK's position concerning E-Tec and hi-tech 2 strokes, is directly related to the engine he owns. I can remember when he thought 4 strokes were a piece of **** that added extra weight to the rear of the boat, and really didn't have any other advantage over the hi-tech 2 strokes. He must have made over 2000 posts directed towards Karen discussing this in detail. I think it was basically "Karen you don't know ****, you are an asshole, and why do you come here quoting from other boating discussion boards when people who own them in rec.boats all love them. . I think he is just pimping for whatever product he owns. He has a right to his opinion and if that opinion changes over time, he's just like the rest of us. I just don't agree with him. And he's a really nice guy. He's just got a few foibles which we should all overlook! As do you, me and everybody else except Chuck who is almost never wrong. It's called being human. Except for Chuck. |
Eco-Friendly Boat Engine A Sell-out...
Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
On Thu, 06 Sep 2007 12:47:23 -0500, John H. wrote: On Thu, 06 Sep 2007 12:02:40 GMT, Short Wave Sportfishing wrote: On Thu, 06 Sep 2007 07:06:27 -0400, "Reginald P. Smithers III" wrote: Short Wave Sportfishing wrote: On Wed, 05 Sep 2007 19:08:04 -0400, HK wrote: JimH wrote: "trainfan1" wrote in message ... http://www.bernama.com.my/bernama/v3/news.php?id=283226 Rob Based on what I have read here and on the manufacturers sites I would prefer an E-Tec to power the next boat I purchase. Having said that..........what is the future of 2 strokes? Will the E-Tec survive future new and stricter emmisions standards for marine engines? Are they as environmentally friendly as the 4 strokes manufactured by the other marine outboard engine big boys? Uh, you might want to search on some large-scale "boating" discussion boards. Karen? Is that you? Tom, So you too have noticed that HK's position concerning E-Tec and hi-tech 2 strokes, is directly related to the engine he owns. I can remember when he thought 4 strokes were a piece of **** that added extra weight to the rear of the boat, and really didn't have any other advantage over the hi-tech 2 strokes. He must have made over 2000 posts directed towards Karen discussing this in detail. I think it was basically "Karen you don't know ****, you are an asshole, and why do you come here quoting from other boating discussion boards when people who own them in rec.boats all love them. . I think he is just pimping for whatever product he owns. He has a right to his opinion and if that opinion changes over time, he's just like the rest of us. I just don't agree with him. And he's a really nice guy. He's just got a few foibles which we should all overlook! As do you, me and everybody else except Chuck who is almost never wrong. It's called being human. Except for Chuck. Tom, Chuck and you might have disagreed on some issues, but most of his discussion has focused on issue being discussed. I don't think he has ever trolled with posts, just so he could say "See I told you SWF was a real asshole". No one in this NG has come close to Harry in hurling more personal insults, and trolling for more fights than Harry. There is a world of difference between the normal disagreement you and Chuck has discussed and the name calling by the NG's favorite troll. |
Eco-Friendly Boat Engine A Sell-out...
Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
On Thu, 06 Sep 2007 12:47:23 -0500, John H. wrote: On Thu, 06 Sep 2007 12:02:40 GMT, Short Wave Sportfishing wrote: On Thu, 06 Sep 2007 07:06:27 -0400, "Reginald P. Smithers III" wrote: Short Wave Sportfishing wrote: On Wed, 05 Sep 2007 19:08:04 -0400, HK wrote: JimH wrote: "trainfan1" wrote in message ... http://www.bernama.com.my/bernama/v3/news.php?id=283226 Rob Based on what I have read here and on the manufacturers sites I would prefer an E-Tec to power the next boat I purchase. Having said that..........what is the future of 2 strokes? Will the E-Tec survive future new and stricter emmisions standards for marine engines? Are they as environmentally friendly as the 4 strokes manufactured by the other marine outboard engine big boys? Uh, you might want to search on some large-scale "boating" discussion boards. Karen? Is that you? Tom, So you too have noticed that HK's position concerning E-Tec and hi-tech 2 strokes, is directly related to the engine he owns. I can remember when he thought 4 strokes were a piece of **** that added extra weight to the rear of the boat, and really didn't have any other advantage over the hi-tech 2 strokes. He must have made over 2000 posts directed towards Karen discussing this in detail. I think it was basically "Karen you don't know ****, you are an asshole, and why do you come here quoting from other boating discussion boards when people who own them in rec.boats all love them. . I think he is just pimping for whatever product he owns. He has a right to his opinion and if that opinion changes over time, he's just like the rest of us. I just don't agree with him. And he's a really nice guy. He's just got a few foibles which we should all overlook! As do you, me and everybody else except Chuck who is almost never wrong. It's called being human. Except for Chuck. Herring *tries* so hard here... |
Eco-Friendly Boat Engine A Sell-out...
On Thu, 06 Sep 2007 18:51:29 GMT, Short Wave Sportfishing
wrote: On Thu, 06 Sep 2007 12:47:23 -0500, John H. wrote: On Thu, 06 Sep 2007 12:02:40 GMT, Short Wave Sportfishing wrote: On Thu, 06 Sep 2007 07:06:27 -0400, "Reginald P. Smithers III" wrote: Short Wave Sportfishing wrote: On Wed, 05 Sep 2007 19:08:04 -0400, HK wrote: JimH wrote: "trainfan1" wrote in message ... http://www.bernama.com.my/bernama/v3/news.php?id=283226 Rob Based on what I have read here and on the manufacturers sites I would prefer an E-Tec to power the next boat I purchase. Having said that..........what is the future of 2 strokes? Will the E-Tec survive future new and stricter emmisions standards for marine engines? Are they as environmentally friendly as the 4 strokes manufactured by the other marine outboard engine big boys? Uh, you might want to search on some large-scale "boating" discussion boards. Karen? Is that you? Tom, So you too have noticed that HK's position concerning E-Tec and hi-tech 2 strokes, is directly related to the engine he owns. I can remember when he thought 4 strokes were a piece of **** that added extra weight to the rear of the boat, and really didn't have any other advantage over the hi-tech 2 strokes. He must have made over 2000 posts directed towards Karen discussing this in detail. I think it was basically "Karen you don't know ****, you are an asshole, and why do you come here quoting from other boating discussion boards when people who own them in rec.boats all love them. . I think he is just pimping for whatever product he owns. He has a right to his opinion and if that opinion changes over time, he's just like the rest of us. I just don't agree with him. And he's a really nice guy. He's just got a few foibles which we should all overlook! As do you, me and everybody else except Chuck who is almost never wrong. It's called being human. Except for Chuck. I keep waiting for Chuck to start talking about killing Republicans and calling every other poster here an asshole. But hey, as long as Harry gets your support and that of a few others, he'll keep doing the same. 'Foibles'...some of y'all gotta love 'em! |
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