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On Wed, 05 Sep 2007 17:41:12 -0400, trainfan1
wrote: http://www.bernama.com.my/bernama/v3/news.php?id=283226 Today - Malaysia Tomorrow? THE WORLD!!!! MMUUUAAAWWAAAHHHHHAAAAAA!!!!! |
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On Sep 5, 3:25?pm, Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
On Wed, 05 Sep 2007 17:41:12 -0400, trainfan1 wrote: http://www.bernama.com.my/bernama/v3/news.php?id=283226 Today - Malaysia Tomorrow? THE WORLD!!!! MMUUUAAAWWAAAHHHHHAAAAAA!!!!! Another perspective might be "Yesterday the whole world, today just Malaysia" :-) |
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On Wed, 05 Sep 2007 15:29:23 -0700, Chuck Gould
wrote: On Sep 5, 3:25?pm, Short Wave Sportfishing wrote: On Wed, 05 Sep 2007 17:41:12 -0400, trainfan1 wrote: http://www.bernama.com.my/bernama/v3/news.php?id=283226 Today - Malaysia Tomorrow? THE WORLD!!!! MMUUUAAAWWAAAHHHHHAAAAAA!!!!! Another perspective might be "Yesterday the whole world, today just Malaysia" :-) Eh - good point. |
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Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
On Wed, 05 Sep 2007 15:29:23 -0700, Chuck Gould wrote: On Sep 5, 3:25?pm, Short Wave Sportfishing wrote: On Wed, 05 Sep 2007 17:41:12 -0400, trainfan1 wrote: http://www.bernama.com.my/bernama/v3/news.php?id=283226 Today - Malaysia Tomorrow? THE WORLD!!!! MMUUUAAAWWAAAHHHHHAAAAAA!!!!! Another perspective might be "Yesterday the whole world, today just Malaysia" :-) Eh - good point. Wow...a PR item from the distributor of these etec outboards. |
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JimH wrote:
"trainfan1" wrote in message ... http://www.bernama.com.my/bernama/v3/news.php?id=283226 Rob Based on what I have read here and on the manufacturers sites I would prefer an E-Tec to power the next boat I purchase. Having said that..........what is the future of 2 strokes? Will the E-Tec survive future new and stricter emmisions standards for marine engines? Are they as environmentally friendly as the 4 strokes manufactured by the other marine outboard engine big boys? Uh, you might want to search on some large-scale "boating" discussion boards. |
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On Wed, 05 Sep 2007 19:06:30 -0400, HK wrote:
Short Wave Sportfishing wrote: On Wed, 05 Sep 2007 15:29:23 -0700, Chuck Gould wrote: On Sep 5, 3:25?pm, Short Wave Sportfishing wrote: On Wed, 05 Sep 2007 17:41:12 -0400, trainfan1 wrote: http://www.bernama.com.my/bernama/v3/news.php?id=283226 Today - Malaysia Tomorrow? THE WORLD!!!! MMUUUAAAWWAAAHHHHHAAAAAA!!!!! Another perspective might be "Yesterday the whole world, today just Malaysia" :-) Eh - good point. Wow...a PR item from the distributor of these etec outboards. So? It's merely pointing out that ETEC is superior technology to other outboard technology. Those of us in the direct injection two stroke world are clearly superior types, but we like to keep a low profile. Bragging once in a while is good. :) |
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On Wed, 05 Sep 2007 19:08:04 -0400, HK wrote:
JimH wrote: "trainfan1" wrote in message ... http://www.bernama.com.my/bernama/v3/news.php?id=283226 Rob Based on what I have read here and on the manufacturers sites I would prefer an E-Tec to power the next boat I purchase. Having said that..........what is the future of 2 strokes? Will the E-Tec survive future new and stricter emmisions standards for marine engines? Are they as environmentally friendly as the 4 strokes manufactured by the other marine outboard engine big boys? Uh, you might want to search on some large-scale "boating" discussion boards. Karen? Is that you? |
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Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
On Wed, 05 Sep 2007 19:08:04 -0400, HK wrote: JimH wrote: "trainfan1" wrote in message ... http://www.bernama.com.my/bernama/v3/news.php?id=283226 Rob Based on what I have read here and on the manufacturers sites I would prefer an E-Tec to power the next boat I purchase. Having said that..........what is the future of 2 strokes? Will the E-Tec survive future new and stricter emmisions standards for marine engines? Are they as environmentally friendly as the 4 strokes manufactured by the other marine outboard engine big boys? Uh, you might want to search on some large-scale "boating" discussion boards. Karen? Is that you? Naw, but there seem to be any number of "isolated" problems with some of the etecs, some of which involve powerhead replacements. Dunno why. |
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JimH wrote:
"HK" wrote in message . .. JimH wrote: "trainfan1" wrote in message ... http://www.bernama.com.my/bernama/v3/news.php?id=283226 Rob Based on what I have read here and on the manufacturers sites I would prefer an E-Tec to power the next boat I purchase. Having said that..........what is the future of 2 strokes? Will the E-Tec survive future new and stricter emmisions standards for marine engines? Are they as environmentally friendly as the 4 strokes manufactured by the other marine outboard engine big boys? Uh, you might want to search on some large-scale "boating" discussion boards. I am new to outboards other than the 5 hp 2 stroke we had on our inflatable. Did I ask a silly question? What is your take on the future of 2 strokes including the high efficiency E-Tec? Short-term fix, with eventual abandonment. I'm on my second four stroke Yamaha, and "I bin konverted." I'd never buy a two stroke outboard now. Mostly what I see down are are Yamaha and Suzuki four strokes, a much lower number of Hondas, very very few Mercury Verados and so far, one etec. Might have to do with dealers, though. Evinrude dealers were royally screwed some years ago, and many of those who survived the OMC failure switched to other brands. |
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On Wed, 05 Sep 2007 20:31:30 -0400, HK wrote:
Short Wave Sportfishing wrote: On Wed, 05 Sep 2007 19:08:04 -0400, HK wrote: JimH wrote: "trainfan1" wrote in message ... http://www.bernama.com.my/bernama/v3/news.php?id=283226 Rob Based on what I have read here and on the manufacturers sites I would prefer an E-Tec to power the next boat I purchase. Having said that..........what is the future of 2 strokes? Will the E-Tec survive future new and stricter emmisions standards for marine engines? Are they as environmentally friendly as the 4 strokes manufactured by the other marine outboard engine big boys? Uh, you might want to search on some large-scale "boating" discussion boards. Karen? Is that you? Naw, but there seem to be any number of "isolated" problems with some of the etecs, some of which involve powerhead replacements. Dunno why. Oh - you mean the ones that Karen posted? Those have been around for a while and it's always a friend of a friend or indirect "evidence". |
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On Wed, 05 Sep 2007 20:35:10 -0400, HK wrote:
Short-term fix, with eventual abandonment. Based on what? |
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Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
On Wed, 05 Sep 2007 20:31:30 -0400, HK wrote: Short Wave Sportfishing wrote: On Wed, 05 Sep 2007 19:08:04 -0400, HK wrote: JimH wrote: "trainfan1" wrote in message ... http://www.bernama.com.my/bernama/v3/news.php?id=283226 Rob Based on what I have read here and on the manufacturers sites I would prefer an E-Tec to power the next boat I purchase. Having said that..........what is the future of 2 strokes? Will the E-Tec survive future new and stricter emmisions standards for marine engines? Are they as environmentally friendly as the 4 strokes manufactured by the other marine outboard engine big boys? Uh, you might want to search on some large-scale "boating" discussion boards. Karen? Is that you? Naw, but there seem to be any number of "isolated" problems with some of the etecs, some of which involve powerhead replacements. Dunno why. Oh - you mean the ones that Karen posted? Those have been around for a while and it's always a friend of a friend or indirect "evidence". There are some "current" first-person tales of failure on thehulltruth. One I recall from last week was from a fellow with a 175 etec that blew up after about eight hours of running. Of course, the etec acolytes jumped right on the guy... :} There are of course problems with all brands and types of engines. I haven't seen one reason yet to go from a four stroke outboard to a two stroke in the mid to high horsepower category. There are few etecs around here. Even Suzuki has more market penetration. |
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Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
On Wed, 05 Sep 2007 20:31:30 -0400, HK wrote: Short Wave Sportfishing wrote: On Wed, 05 Sep 2007 19:08:04 -0400, HK wrote: JimH wrote: "trainfan1" wrote in message ... http://www.bernama.com.my/bernama/v3/news.php?id=283226 Rob Based on what I have read here and on the manufacturers sites I would prefer an E-Tec to power the next boat I purchase. Having said that..........what is the future of 2 strokes? Will the E-Tec survive future new and stricter emmisions standards for marine engines? Are they as environmentally friendly as the 4 strokes manufactured by the other marine outboard engine big boys? Uh, you might want to search on some large-scale "boating" discussion boards. Karen? Is that you? Naw, but there seem to be any number of "isolated" problems with some of the etecs, some of which involve powerhead replacements. Dunno why. Oh - you mean the ones that Karen posted? Those have been around for a while and it's always a friend of a friend or indirect "evidence". I'm not concerned about etecs. I gave up on evinrudes in the late 1960s, when my father dropped the line! My current problem is that, d'oh, when I sold off Yo Ho I, I also sold off my C-MAP user chips and forgot to back them up. I had several hundred fishing waypoints on them, and now...well, one guess. |
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On Wed, 05 Sep 2007 20:52:15 -0400, HK wrote:
Short Wave Sportfishing wrote: On Wed, 05 Sep 2007 20:31:30 -0400, HK wrote: Short Wave Sportfishing wrote: On Wed, 05 Sep 2007 19:08:04 -0400, HK wrote: JimH wrote: "trainfan1" wrote in message ... http://www.bernama.com.my/bernama/v3/news.php?id=283226 Rob Based on what I have read here and on the manufacturers sites I would prefer an E-Tec to power the next boat I purchase. Having said that..........what is the future of 2 strokes? Will the E-Tec survive future new and stricter emmisions standards for marine engines? Are they as environmentally friendly as the 4 strokes manufactured by the other marine outboard engine big boys? Uh, you might want to search on some large-scale "boating" discussion boards. Karen? Is that you? Naw, but there seem to be any number of "isolated" problems with some of the etecs, some of which involve powerhead replacements. Dunno why. Oh - you mean the ones that Karen posted? Those have been around for a while and it's always a friend of a friend or indirect "evidence". There are some "current" first-person tales of failure on thehulltruth. "Just a heads up. My neighbor lost the powerhead on his 200 hp 2006 etec." know the feeling . my 2007 250 opti blew in the first 2.5 miles One I recall from last week was from a fellow with a 175 etec that blew up after about eight hours of running. Of course, the etec acolytes jumped right on the guy... :} You mean RAS? He's a Suzuki dealer. :) |
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On Wed, 05 Sep 2007 20:35:10 -0400, HK wrote:
Short-term fix, with eventual abandonment. I'm on my second four stroke Yamaha, and "I bin konverted." I'd never buy a two stroke outboard now. Mostly what I see down are are Yamaha and Suzuki four strokes, a much lower number of Hondas, very very few Mercury Verados and so far, one etec. Here's a dissenting voice for what it's worth. At the beginning of the year we bought a Honda 20 hp 4 stroke for our RIB dinghy, replacing an aging Merc 15 hp 2 stroke. The Honda is a solid motor and quite reliable but it is totally lacking in low end torque. The Merc 15 always popped the RIB up on plane within a second or two with two people aboard, sometimes with three. The Honda struggles to get two people on plane and refuses with three. I've ordered a new prop with less pitch and hopefully that will help the situation but so far it has been disappointing. |
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Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
On Wed, 05 Sep 2007 20:52:15 -0400, HK wrote: Short Wave Sportfishing wrote: On Wed, 05 Sep 2007 20:31:30 -0400, HK wrote: Short Wave Sportfishing wrote: On Wed, 05 Sep 2007 19:08:04 -0400, HK wrote: JimH wrote: "trainfan1" wrote in message ... http://www.bernama.com.my/bernama/v3/news.php?id=283226 Rob Based on what I have read here and on the manufacturers sites I would prefer an E-Tec to power the next boat I purchase. Having said that..........what is the future of 2 strokes? Will the E-Tec survive future new and stricter emmisions standards for marine engines? Are they as environmentally friendly as the 4 strokes manufactured by the other marine outboard engine big boys? Uh, you might want to search on some large-scale "boating" discussion boards. Karen? Is that you? Naw, but there seem to be any number of "isolated" problems with some of the etecs, some of which involve powerhead replacements. Dunno why. Oh - you mean the ones that Karen posted? Those have been around for a while and it's always a friend of a friend or indirect "evidence". There are some "current" first-person tales of failure on thehulltruth. "Just a heads up. My neighbor lost the powerhead on his 200 hp 2006 etec." know the feeling . my 2007 250 opti blew in the first 2.5 miles One I recall from last week was from a fellow with a 175 etec that blew up after about eight hours of running. Of course, the etec acolytes jumped right on the guy... :} You mean RAS? He's a Suzuki dealer. :) Well, Tom, so far I have seen one etec, on the watercop's boat. But the boat never seems to leave the marina, except to hassle the guys who fish near a close-by oysterbed. There's a "dealer" of Evinrudes right at the marina. He doesn't seem to be enjoying much market penetration, less even than the Honda dealers. (I am referring to the larger outboards; I don't pay attention to the smaller ones.) I see the etecs as the same sort of interim "high tech" two stroke solution that the Optimaxes are. At some point, Evinrude and Mercury will be out of the two cycle outboard business. Yamaha and Suzuki are farther along that road. |
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On Wed, 05 Sep 2007 21:39:06 -0400, HK wrote:
At some point, Evinrude and Mercury will be out of the two cycle outboard business. May be true for Merc, but the Optimax is not going anywhere for a long time for a variety of reasons. Evinrude only builds two strokes. And despite your experience, I'm seeing more and more ETECs around here. |
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On Wed, 05 Sep 2007 21:28:13 -0400, Wayne.B
wrote: On Wed, 05 Sep 2007 20:35:10 -0400, HK wrote: Short-term fix, with eventual abandonment. I'm on my second four stroke Yamaha, and "I bin konverted." I'd never buy a two stroke outboard now. Mostly what I see down are are Yamaha and Suzuki four strokes, a much lower number of Hondas, very very few Mercury Verados and so far, one etec. Here's a dissenting voice for what it's worth. At the beginning of the year we bought a Honda 20 hp 4 stroke for our RIB dinghy, replacing an aging Merc 15 hp 2 stroke. The Honda is a solid motor and quite reliable but it is totally lacking in low end torque. The Merc 15 always popped the RIB up on plane within a second or two with two people aboard, sometimes with three. The Honda struggles to get two people on plane and refuses with three. I've ordered a new prop with less pitch and hopefully that will help the situation but so far it has been disappointing. I don't have any direct experience with four strokes, but I know guys who have purchased 40/50 hp class four strokes with smaller bass/fishing boats and that seems to be a common complaint. Never hear that with two strokers. :) One engine that the 18 foot class bass boat crowd is the 90 ETEC. That seems to be a real winner along with the 40 with the charter crowd up in Quebec. |
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Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
On Wed, 05 Sep 2007 21:39:06 -0400, HK wrote: At some point, Evinrude and Mercury will be out of the two cycle outboard business. May be true for Merc, but the Optimax is not going anywhere for a long time for a variety of reasons. Evinrude only builds two strokes. And despite your experience, I'm seeing more and more ETECs around here. That's right...the smaller four cycle evinrudes are called johnsons. |
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On Sep 5, 10:16 pm, HK wrote:
Short Wave Sportfishing wrote: On Wed, 05 Sep 2007 21:39:06 -0400, HK wrote: At some point, Evinrude and Mercury will be out of the two cycle outboard business. May be true for Merc, but the Optimax is not going anywhere for a long time for a variety of reasons. Evinrude only builds two strokes. And despite your experience, I'm seeing more and more ETECs around here. That's right...the smaller four cycle evinrudes are called johnsons. I drove that Ranger and got a good ride around Fishers Island Sound, the race, etc. It is so frekin' smooth in the chop or in acceleration. The other un-noticable thing is the noise, it is very quiet, you can talk while cruising at 4500, no problem. You all know I don't have a lot of experience with larger engines but when you throttle up the Ranger, you feel like you got a set of 50's and positraction, Never felt power delivered so smoothly. 20 foot Ranger, 200 E-TEC/90 degree head, 4 blade SS prop. |
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"HK" wrote in message . .. Short Wave Sportfishing wrote: On Wed, 05 Sep 2007 21:39:06 -0400, HK wrote: At some point, Evinrude and Mercury will be out of the two cycle outboard business. May be true for Merc, but the Optimax is not going anywhere for a long time for a variety of reasons. Evinrude only builds two strokes. And despite your experience, I'm seeing more and more ETECs around here. That's right...the smaller four cycle evinrudes are called johnsons. Was I dreaming... or did I read somewhere that Evinrude will bump Johnson out of the small 'kicker' engine market with small versions of ETEC outboards? |
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"HK" wrote in message ... Short Wave Sportfishing wrote: On Wed, 05 Sep 2007 20:31:30 -0400, HK wrote: Short Wave Sportfishing wrote: On Wed, 05 Sep 2007 19:08:04 -0400, HK wrote: JimH wrote: "trainfan1" wrote in message ... http://www.bernama.com.my/bernama/v3/news.php?id=283226 Rob Based on what I have read here and on the manufacturers sites I would prefer an E-Tec to power the next boat I purchase. Having said that..........what is the future of 2 strokes? Will the E-Tec survive future new and stricter emmisions standards for marine engines? Are they as environmentally friendly as the 4 strokes manufactured by the other marine outboard engine big boys? Uh, you might want to search on some large-scale "boating" discussion boards. Karen? Is that you? Naw, but there seem to be any number of "isolated" problems with some of the etecs, some of which involve powerhead replacements. Dunno why. Oh - you mean the ones that Karen posted? Those have been around for a while and it's always a friend of a friend or indirect "evidence". I'm not concerned about etecs. I gave up on evinrudes in the late 1960s, when my father dropped the line! My current problem is that, d'oh, when I sold off Yo Ho I, I also sold off my C-MAP user chips and forgot to back them up. I had several hundred fishing waypoints on them, and now...well, one guess. The guy who bought Yo-ho dislikes you? |
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On Thu, 6 Sep 2007 00:00:10 -0300, "Don White"
wrote: "HK" wrote in message ... Short Wave Sportfishing wrote: On Wed, 05 Sep 2007 21:39:06 -0400, HK wrote: At some point, Evinrude and Mercury will be out of the two cycle outboard business. May be true for Merc, but the Optimax is not going anywhere for a long time for a variety of reasons. Evinrude only builds two strokes. And despite your experience, I'm seeing more and more ETECs around here. That's right...the smaller four cycle evinrudes are called johnsons. Was I dreaming... or did I read somewhere that Evinrude will bump Johnson out of the small 'kicker' engine market with small versions of ETEC outboards? There has been talk of that for a while, but the technology doesn't translate well to engines smaller than 40 for some technical reason that I don't remember - has to do with RPM levels and cubic capacity. Not to mention price point. Which is not to say that they won't solve it eventually, there is just a technical problem at this point. |
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Calif Bill wrote:
"HK" wrote in message ... Short Wave Sportfishing wrote: On Wed, 05 Sep 2007 20:31:30 -0400, HK wrote: Short Wave Sportfishing wrote: On Wed, 05 Sep 2007 19:08:04 -0400, HK wrote: JimH wrote: "trainfan1" wrote in message ... http://www.bernama.com.my/bernama/v3/news.php?id=283226 Rob Based on what I have read here and on the manufacturers sites I would prefer an E-Tec to power the next boat I purchase. Having said that..........what is the future of 2 strokes? Will the E-Tec survive future new and stricter emmisions standards for marine engines? Are they as environmentally friendly as the 4 strokes manufactured by the other marine outboard engine big boys? Uh, you might want to search on some large-scale "boating" discussion boards. Karen? Is that you? Naw, but there seem to be any number of "isolated" problems with some of the etecs, some of which involve powerhead replacements. Dunno why. Oh - you mean the ones that Karen posted? Those have been around for a while and it's always a friend of a friend or indirect "evidence". I'm not concerned about etecs. I gave up on evinrudes in the late 1960s, when my father dropped the line! My current problem is that, d'oh, when I sold off Yo Ho I, I also sold off my C-MAP user chips and forgot to back them up. I had several hundred fishing waypoints on them, and now...well, one guess. The guy who bought Yo-ho dislikes you? He lives in a different area. The user chips are erasable and rewritable. You figure out the rest. |
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Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
On Wed, 05 Sep 2007 19:08:04 -0400, HK wrote: JimH wrote: "trainfan1" wrote in message ... http://www.bernama.com.my/bernama/v3/news.php?id=283226 Rob Based on what I have read here and on the manufacturers sites I would prefer an E-Tec to power the next boat I purchase. Having said that..........what is the future of 2 strokes? Will the E-Tec survive future new and stricter emmisions standards for marine engines? Are they as environmentally friendly as the 4 strokes manufactured by the other marine outboard engine big boys? Uh, you might want to search on some large-scale "boating" discussion boards. Karen? Is that you? Tom, So you too have noticed that HK's position concerning E-Tec and hi-tech 2 strokes, is directly related to the engine he owns. I can remember when he thought 4 strokes were a piece of **** that added extra weight to the rear of the boat, and really didn't have any other advantage over the hi-tech 2 strokes. He must have made over 2000 posts directed towards Karen discussing this in detail. I think it was basically "Karen you don't know ****, you are an asshole, and why do you come here quoting from other boating discussion boards when people who own them in rec.boats all love them. . I think he is just pimping for whatever product he owns. |
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HK wrote:
Short Wave Sportfishing wrote: On Wed, 05 Sep 2007 20:31:30 -0400, HK wrote: Short Wave Sportfishing wrote: On Wed, 05 Sep 2007 19:08:04 -0400, HK wrote: JimH wrote: "trainfan1" wrote in message ... http://www.bernama.com.my/bernama/v3/news.php?id=283226 Rob Based on what I have read here and on the manufacturers sites I would prefer an E-Tec to power the next boat I purchase. Having said that..........what is the future of 2 strokes? Will the E-Tec survive future new and stricter emmisions standards for marine engines? Are they as environmentally friendly as the 4 strokes manufactured by the other marine outboard engine big boys? Uh, you might want to search on some large-scale "boating" discussion boards. Karen? Is that you? Naw, but there seem to be any number of "isolated" problems with some of the etecs, some of which involve powerhead replacements. Dunno why. Oh - you mean the ones that Karen posted? Those have been around for a while and it's always a friend of a friend or indirect "evidence". I'm not concerned about etecs. I gave up on evinrudes in the late 1960s, when my father dropped the line! My current problem is that, d'oh, when I sold off Yo Ho I, I also sold off my C-MAP user chips and forgot to back them up. I had several hundred fishing waypoints on them, and now...well, one guess. Harry, You must have been punching in fishing waypoints at over 2 an hour to have several hundred fishing way points in YoHo. If you were doing this, you really never came back to any of the "old waypoints" anyway, so whats the big deal. You really need to sit back and enjoy the boat and spend some time fishing and using the boat, instead of worring about punching in waypoints. |
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Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
On Thu, 6 Sep 2007 00:00:10 -0300, "Don White" wrote: "HK" wrote in message . .. Short Wave Sportfishing wrote: On Wed, 05 Sep 2007 21:39:06 -0400, HK wrote: At some point, Evinrude and Mercury will be out of the two cycle outboard business. May be true for Merc, but the Optimax is not going anywhere for a long time for a variety of reasons. Evinrude only builds two strokes. And despite your experience, I'm seeing more and more ETECs around here. That's right...the smaller four cycle evinrudes are called johnsons. Was I dreaming... or did I read somewhere that Evinrude will bump Johnson out of the small 'kicker' engine market with small versions of ETEC outboards? There has been talk of that for a while, but the technology doesn't translate well to engines smaller than 40 for some technical reason that I don't remember - has to do with RPM levels and cubic capacity. Not to mention price point. Which is not to say that they won't solve it eventually, there is just a technical problem at this point. Hmmmm. I wonder what Evinrude/Johnson's market penetration is since the OMC demise. |
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On Sep 5, 7:14 pm, Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
On Wed, 05 Sep 2007 19:06:30 -0400, HK wrote: Short Wave Sportfishing wrote: On Wed, 05 Sep 2007 15:29:23 -0700, Chuck Gould wrote: On Sep 5, 3:25?pm, Short Wave Sportfishing wrote: On Wed, 05 Sep 2007 17:41:12 -0400, trainfan1 wrote: http://www.bernama.com.my/bernama/v3/news.php?id=283226 Today - Malaysia Tomorrow? THE WORLD!!!! MMUUUAAAWWAAAHHHHHAAAAAA!!!!! Another perspective might be "Yesterday the whole world, today just Malaysia" :-) Eh - good point. Wow...a PR item from the distributor of these etec outboards. So? It's merely pointing out that ETEC is superior technology to other outboard technology. Those of us in the direct injection two stroke world are clearly superior types, but we like to keep a low profile. to borrow a phrase, smerk... Bragging once in a while is good. :)- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - |
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On Thu, 06 Sep 2007 07:06:27 -0400, "Reginald P. Smithers III"
wrote: Short Wave Sportfishing wrote: On Wed, 05 Sep 2007 19:08:04 -0400, HK wrote: JimH wrote: "trainfan1" wrote in message ... http://www.bernama.com.my/bernama/v3/news.php?id=283226 Rob Based on what I have read here and on the manufacturers sites I would prefer an E-Tec to power the next boat I purchase. Having said that..........what is the future of 2 strokes? Will the E-Tec survive future new and stricter emmisions standards for marine engines? Are they as environmentally friendly as the 4 strokes manufactured by the other marine outboard engine big boys? Uh, you might want to search on some large-scale "boating" discussion boards. Karen? Is that you? Tom, So you too have noticed that HK's position concerning E-Tec and hi-tech 2 strokes, is directly related to the engine he owns. I can remember when he thought 4 strokes were a piece of **** that added extra weight to the rear of the boat, and really didn't have any other advantage over the hi-tech 2 strokes. He must have made over 2000 posts directed towards Karen discussing this in detail. I think it was basically "Karen you don't know ****, you are an asshole, and why do you come here quoting from other boating discussion boards when people who own them in rec.boats all love them. . I think he is just pimping for whatever product he owns. He has a right to his opinion and if that opinion changes over time, he's just like the rest of us. I just don't agree with him. |
Eco-Friendly Boat Engine A Sell-out...
On Thu, 06 Sep 2007 07:43:47 -0400, HK wrote:
Short Wave Sportfishing wrote: On Thu, 6 Sep 2007 00:00:10 -0300, "Don White" wrote: "HK" wrote in message . .. Short Wave Sportfishing wrote: On Wed, 05 Sep 2007 21:39:06 -0400, HK wrote: At some point, Evinrude and Mercury will be out of the two cycle outboard business. May be true for Merc, but the Optimax is not going anywhere for a long time for a variety of reasons. Evinrude only builds two strokes. And despite your experience, I'm seeing more and more ETECs around here. That's right...the smaller four cycle evinrudes are called johnsons. Was I dreaming... or did I read somewhere that Evinrude will bump Johnson out of the small 'kicker' engine market with small versions of ETEC outboards? There has been talk of that for a while, but the technology doesn't translate well to engines smaller than 40 for some technical reason that I don't remember - has to do with RPM levels and cubic capacity. Not to mention price point. Which is not to say that they won't solve it eventually, there is just a technical problem at this point. Hmmmm. I wonder what Evinrude/Johnson's market penetration is since the OMC demise. You mean as compared to product dumping like Yamaha? Quite well actually for new technology. The more the word spreads, the more it's becoming accepted. You are behind the times Harry - trade the Yamahamamama for some decent technology instead of ancient technology. Don't be a Luddite. :) |
Eco-Friendly Boat Engine A Sell-out...
On Sep 6, 6:09 am, Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
On Thu, 6 Sep 2007 00:00:10 -0300, "Don White" wrote: "HK" wrote in message ... Short Wave Sportfishing wrote: On Wed, 05 Sep 2007 21:39:06 -0400, HK wrote: At some point, Evinrude and Mercury will be out of the two cycle outboard business. May be true for Merc, but the Optimax is not going anywhere for a long time for a variety of reasons. Evinrude only builds two strokes. And despite your experience, I'm seeing more and more ETECs around here. That's right...the smaller four cycle evinrudes are called johnsons. Was I dreaming... or did I read somewhere that Evinrude will bump Johnson out of the small 'kicker' engine market with small versions of ETEC outboards? There has been talk of that for a while, but the technology doesn't translate well to engines smaller than 40 for some technical reason that I don't remember - has to do with RPM levels and cubic capacity. Not to mention price point. Now that's the kind of thing that gets me thinking. Is it the materials they use, the weight of the pistons maybe, or the flywheel. Have they played with the compression, or timing.. errrr. Why would it not work, what is different about the technology. Fuel delivery?? Now I am going to have to do some reading, grrrrr. Which is not to say that they won't solve it eventually, there is just a technical problem at this point.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - |
Eco-Friendly Boat Engine A Sell-out...
Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
On Thu, 06 Sep 2007 07:43:47 -0400, HK wrote: Short Wave Sportfishing wrote: On Thu, 6 Sep 2007 00:00:10 -0300, "Don White" wrote: "HK" wrote in message . .. Short Wave Sportfishing wrote: On Wed, 05 Sep 2007 21:39:06 -0400, HK wrote: At some point, Evinrude and Mercury will be out of the two cycle outboard business. May be true for Merc, but the Optimax is not going anywhere for a long time for a variety of reasons. Evinrude only builds two strokes. And despite your experience, I'm seeing more and more ETECs around here. That's right...the smaller four cycle evinrudes are called johnsons. Was I dreaming... or did I read somewhere that Evinrude will bump Johnson out of the small 'kicker' engine market with small versions of ETEC outboards? There has been talk of that for a while, but the technology doesn't translate well to engines smaller than 40 for some technical reason that I don't remember - has to do with RPM levels and cubic capacity. Not to mention price point. Which is not to say that they won't solve it eventually, there is just a technical problem at this point. Hmmmm. I wonder what Evinrude/Johnson's market penetration is since the OMC demise. You mean as compared to product dumping like Yamaha? Quite well actually for new technology. The more the word spreads, the more it's becoming accepted. You are behind the times Harry - trade the Yamahamamama for some decent technology instead of ancient technology. Don't be a Luddite. :) Ahh. Maybe Evinrude is shipping its engines to this area sith Yamaha, Mercury and Suzuki covers. |
Eco-Friendly Boat Engine A Sell-out...
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Eco-Friendly Boat Engine A Sell-out...
On Thu, 06 Sep 2007 12:02:40 GMT, Short Wave Sportfishing
wrote: On Thu, 06 Sep 2007 07:06:27 -0400, "Reginald P. Smithers III" wrote: Short Wave Sportfishing wrote: On Wed, 05 Sep 2007 19:08:04 -0400, HK wrote: JimH wrote: "trainfan1" wrote in message ... http://www.bernama.com.my/bernama/v3/news.php?id=283226 Rob Based on what I have read here and on the manufacturers sites I would prefer an E-Tec to power the next boat I purchase. Having said that..........what is the future of 2 strokes? Will the E-Tec survive future new and stricter emmisions standards for marine engines? Are they as environmentally friendly as the 4 strokes manufactured by the other marine outboard engine big boys? Uh, you might want to search on some large-scale "boating" discussion boards. Karen? Is that you? Tom, So you too have noticed that HK's position concerning E-Tec and hi-tech 2 strokes, is directly related to the engine he owns. I can remember when he thought 4 strokes were a piece of **** that added extra weight to the rear of the boat, and really didn't have any other advantage over the hi-tech 2 strokes. He must have made over 2000 posts directed towards Karen discussing this in detail. I think it was basically "Karen you don't know ****, you are an asshole, and why do you come here quoting from other boating discussion boards when people who own them in rec.boats all love them. . I think he is just pimping for whatever product he owns. He has a right to his opinion and if that opinion changes over time, he's just like the rest of us. I just don't agree with him. And he's a really nice guy. He's just got a few foibles which we should all overlook! |
Eco-Friendly Boat Engine A Sell-out...
On Thu, 06 Sep 2007 12:47:23 -0500, John H.
wrote: On Thu, 06 Sep 2007 12:02:40 GMT, Short Wave Sportfishing wrote: On Thu, 06 Sep 2007 07:06:27 -0400, "Reginald P. Smithers III" wrote: Short Wave Sportfishing wrote: On Wed, 05 Sep 2007 19:08:04 -0400, HK wrote: JimH wrote: "trainfan1" wrote in message ... http://www.bernama.com.my/bernama/v3/news.php?id=283226 Rob Based on what I have read here and on the manufacturers sites I would prefer an E-Tec to power the next boat I purchase. Having said that..........what is the future of 2 strokes? Will the E-Tec survive future new and stricter emmisions standards for marine engines? Are they as environmentally friendly as the 4 strokes manufactured by the other marine outboard engine big boys? Uh, you might want to search on some large-scale "boating" discussion boards. Karen? Is that you? Tom, So you too have noticed that HK's position concerning E-Tec and hi-tech 2 strokes, is directly related to the engine he owns. I can remember when he thought 4 strokes were a piece of **** that added extra weight to the rear of the boat, and really didn't have any other advantage over the hi-tech 2 strokes. He must have made over 2000 posts directed towards Karen discussing this in detail. I think it was basically "Karen you don't know ****, you are an asshole, and why do you come here quoting from other boating discussion boards when people who own them in rec.boats all love them. . I think he is just pimping for whatever product he owns. He has a right to his opinion and if that opinion changes over time, he's just like the rest of us. I just don't agree with him. And he's a really nice guy. He's just got a few foibles which we should all overlook! As do you, me and everybody else except Chuck who is almost never wrong. It's called being human. Except for Chuck. |
Eco-Friendly Boat Engine A Sell-out...
Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
On Thu, 06 Sep 2007 12:47:23 -0500, John H. wrote: On Thu, 06 Sep 2007 12:02:40 GMT, Short Wave Sportfishing wrote: On Thu, 06 Sep 2007 07:06:27 -0400, "Reginald P. Smithers III" wrote: Short Wave Sportfishing wrote: On Wed, 05 Sep 2007 19:08:04 -0400, HK wrote: JimH wrote: "trainfan1" wrote in message ... http://www.bernama.com.my/bernama/v3/news.php?id=283226 Rob Based on what I have read here and on the manufacturers sites I would prefer an E-Tec to power the next boat I purchase. Having said that..........what is the future of 2 strokes? Will the E-Tec survive future new and stricter emmisions standards for marine engines? Are they as environmentally friendly as the 4 strokes manufactured by the other marine outboard engine big boys? Uh, you might want to search on some large-scale "boating" discussion boards. Karen? Is that you? Tom, So you too have noticed that HK's position concerning E-Tec and hi-tech 2 strokes, is directly related to the engine he owns. I can remember when he thought 4 strokes were a piece of **** that added extra weight to the rear of the boat, and really didn't have any other advantage over the hi-tech 2 strokes. He must have made over 2000 posts directed towards Karen discussing this in detail. I think it was basically "Karen you don't know ****, you are an asshole, and why do you come here quoting from other boating discussion boards when people who own them in rec.boats all love them. . I think he is just pimping for whatever product he owns. He has a right to his opinion and if that opinion changes over time, he's just like the rest of us. I just don't agree with him. And he's a really nice guy. He's just got a few foibles which we should all overlook! As do you, me and everybody else except Chuck who is almost never wrong. It's called being human. Except for Chuck. Tom, Chuck and you might have disagreed on some issues, but most of his discussion has focused on issue being discussed. I don't think he has ever trolled with posts, just so he could say "See I told you SWF was a real asshole". No one in this NG has come close to Harry in hurling more personal insults, and trolling for more fights than Harry. There is a world of difference between the normal disagreement you and Chuck has discussed and the name calling by the NG's favorite troll. |
Eco-Friendly Boat Engine A Sell-out...
Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
On Thu, 06 Sep 2007 12:47:23 -0500, John H. wrote: On Thu, 06 Sep 2007 12:02:40 GMT, Short Wave Sportfishing wrote: On Thu, 06 Sep 2007 07:06:27 -0400, "Reginald P. Smithers III" wrote: Short Wave Sportfishing wrote: On Wed, 05 Sep 2007 19:08:04 -0400, HK wrote: JimH wrote: "trainfan1" wrote in message ... http://www.bernama.com.my/bernama/v3/news.php?id=283226 Rob Based on what I have read here and on the manufacturers sites I would prefer an E-Tec to power the next boat I purchase. Having said that..........what is the future of 2 strokes? Will the E-Tec survive future new and stricter emmisions standards for marine engines? Are they as environmentally friendly as the 4 strokes manufactured by the other marine outboard engine big boys? Uh, you might want to search on some large-scale "boating" discussion boards. Karen? Is that you? Tom, So you too have noticed that HK's position concerning E-Tec and hi-tech 2 strokes, is directly related to the engine he owns. I can remember when he thought 4 strokes were a piece of **** that added extra weight to the rear of the boat, and really didn't have any other advantage over the hi-tech 2 strokes. He must have made over 2000 posts directed towards Karen discussing this in detail. I think it was basically "Karen you don't know ****, you are an asshole, and why do you come here quoting from other boating discussion boards when people who own them in rec.boats all love them. . I think he is just pimping for whatever product he owns. He has a right to his opinion and if that opinion changes over time, he's just like the rest of us. I just don't agree with him. And he's a really nice guy. He's just got a few foibles which we should all overlook! As do you, me and everybody else except Chuck who is almost never wrong. It's called being human. Except for Chuck. Herring *tries* so hard here... |
Eco-Friendly Boat Engine A Sell-out...
On Thu, 06 Sep 2007 18:51:29 GMT, Short Wave Sportfishing
wrote: On Thu, 06 Sep 2007 12:47:23 -0500, John H. wrote: On Thu, 06 Sep 2007 12:02:40 GMT, Short Wave Sportfishing wrote: On Thu, 06 Sep 2007 07:06:27 -0400, "Reginald P. Smithers III" wrote: Short Wave Sportfishing wrote: On Wed, 05 Sep 2007 19:08:04 -0400, HK wrote: JimH wrote: "trainfan1" wrote in message ... http://www.bernama.com.my/bernama/v3/news.php?id=283226 Rob Based on what I have read here and on the manufacturers sites I would prefer an E-Tec to power the next boat I purchase. Having said that..........what is the future of 2 strokes? Will the E-Tec survive future new and stricter emmisions standards for marine engines? Are they as environmentally friendly as the 4 strokes manufactured by the other marine outboard engine big boys? Uh, you might want to search on some large-scale "boating" discussion boards. Karen? Is that you? Tom, So you too have noticed that HK's position concerning E-Tec and hi-tech 2 strokes, is directly related to the engine he owns. I can remember when he thought 4 strokes were a piece of **** that added extra weight to the rear of the boat, and really didn't have any other advantage over the hi-tech 2 strokes. He must have made over 2000 posts directed towards Karen discussing this in detail. I think it was basically "Karen you don't know ****, you are an asshole, and why do you come here quoting from other boating discussion boards when people who own them in rec.boats all love them. . I think he is just pimping for whatever product he owns. He has a right to his opinion and if that opinion changes over time, he's just like the rest of us. I just don't agree with him. And he's a really nice guy. He's just got a few foibles which we should all overlook! As do you, me and everybody else except Chuck who is almost never wrong. It's called being human. Except for Chuck. I keep waiting for Chuck to start talking about killing Republicans and calling every other poster here an asshole. But hey, as long as Harry gets your support and that of a few others, he'll keep doing the same. 'Foibles'...some of y'all gotta love 'em! |
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