Eco-Friendly Boat Engine A Sell-out...
 

JimH wrote:
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JimH wrote:
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Rob
Based on what I have read here and on the manufacturers sites I would
prefer an E-Tec to power the next boat I purchase.

Having said that..........what is the future of 2 strokes? Will the
E-Tec survive future new and stricter emmisions standards for marine
engines? Are they as environmentally friendly as the 4 strokes
manufactured by the other marine outboard engine big boys?

Uh, you might want to search on some large-scale "boating" discussion
boards.


I am new to outboards other than the 5 hp 2 stroke we had on our inflatable.
Did I ask a silly question?

What is your take on the future of 2 strokes including the high efficiency
E-Tec?




Short-term fix, with eventual abandonment. I'm on my second four stroke
Yamaha, and "I bin konverted." I'd never buy a two stroke outboard now.
Mostly what I see down are are Yamaha and Suzuki four strokes, a much
lower number of Hondas, very very few Mercury Verados and so far, one
etec. Might have to do with dealers, though. Evinrude dealers were
royally screwed some years ago, and many of those who survived the OMC
failure switched to other brands.

Eco-Friendly Boat Engine A Sell-out...
 

On Wed, 05 Sep 2007 20:31:30 -0400, HK wrote:

Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
On Wed, 05 Sep 2007 19:08:04 -0400, HK wrote:

JimH wrote:
"trainfan1" wrote in message
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http://www.bernama.com.my/bernama/v3/news.php?id=283226

Rob
Based on what I have read here and on the manufacturers sites I would prefer
an E-Tec to power the next boat I purchase.

Having said that..........what is the future of 2 strokes? Will the E-Tec
survive future new and stricter emmisions standards for marine engines? Are
they as environmentally friendly as the 4 strokes manufactured by the other
marine outboard engine big boys?
Uh, you might want to search on some large-scale "boating" discussion
boards.

Karen? Is that you?

Naw, but there seem to be any number of "isolated" problems with some of
the etecs, some of which involve powerhead replacements. Dunno why.

Oh - you mean the ones that Karen posted?

Those have been around for a while and it's always a friend of a
friend or indirect "evidence".

Eco-Friendly Boat Engine A Sell-out...
 

On Wed, 05 Sep 2007 20:35:10 -0400, HK wrote:

Short-term fix, with eventual abandonment.

Based on what?

Eco-Friendly Boat Engine A Sell-out...
 

Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
On Wed, 05 Sep 2007 20:31:30 -0400, HK wrote:

Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
On Wed, 05 Sep 2007 19:08:04 -0400, HK wrote:

JimH wrote:
"trainfan1" wrote in message
...
http://www.bernama.com.my/bernama/v3/news.php?id=283226

Rob
Based on what I have read here and on the manufacturers sites I would prefer
an E-Tec to power the next boat I purchase.

Having said that..........what is the future of 2 strokes? Will the E-Tec
survive future new and stricter emmisions standards for marine engines? Are
they as environmentally friendly as the 4 strokes manufactured by the other
marine outboard engine big boys?
Uh, you might want to search on some large-scale "boating" discussion
boards.
Karen? Is that you?
Naw, but there seem to be any number of "isolated" problems with some of
the etecs, some of which involve powerhead replacements. Dunno why.

Oh - you mean the ones that Karen posted?

Those have been around for a while and it's always a friend of a
friend or indirect "evidence".


There are some "current" first-person tales of failure on thehulltruth.
One I recall from last week was from a fellow with a 175 etec that blew
up after about eight hours of running. Of course, the etec acolytes
jumped right on the guy... :}

There are of course problems with all brands and types of engines.

I haven't seen one reason yet to go from a four stroke outboard to a two
stroke in the mid to high horsepower category. There are few etecs
around here. Even Suzuki has more market penetration.

Eco-Friendly Boat Engine A Sell-out...
 

Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
On Wed, 05 Sep 2007 20:31:30 -0400, HK wrote:

Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
On Wed, 05 Sep 2007 19:08:04 -0400, HK wrote:

JimH wrote:
"trainfan1" wrote in message
...
http://www.bernama.com.my/bernama/v3/news.php?id=283226

Rob
Based on what I have read here and on the manufacturers sites I would prefer
an E-Tec to power the next boat I purchase.

Having said that..........what is the future of 2 strokes? Will the E-Tec
survive future new and stricter emmisions standards for marine engines? Are
they as environmentally friendly as the 4 strokes manufactured by the other
marine outboard engine big boys?
Uh, you might want to search on some large-scale "boating" discussion
boards.
Karen? Is that you?
Naw, but there seem to be any number of "isolated" problems with some of
the etecs, some of which involve powerhead replacements. Dunno why.

Oh - you mean the ones that Karen posted?

Those have been around for a while and it's always a friend of a
friend or indirect "evidence".


I'm not concerned about etecs. I gave up on evinrudes in the late 1960s,
when my father dropped the line!

My current problem is that, d'oh, when I sold off Yo Ho I, I also sold
off my C-MAP user chips and forgot to back them up. I had several
hundred fishing waypoints on them, and now...well, one guess.

Eco-Friendly Boat Engine A Sell-out...
 

On Wed, 05 Sep 2007 20:52:15 -0400, HK wrote:

Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
On Wed, 05 Sep 2007 20:31:30 -0400, HK wrote:

Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
On Wed, 05 Sep 2007 19:08:04 -0400, HK wrote:

JimH wrote:
"trainfan1" wrote in message
...
http://www.bernama.com.my/bernama/v3/news.php?id=283226

Rob
Based on what I have read here and on the manufacturers sites I would prefer
an E-Tec to power the next boat I purchase.

Having said that..........what is the future of 2 strokes? Will the E-Tec
survive future new and stricter emmisions standards for marine engines? Are
they as environmentally friendly as the 4 strokes manufactured by the other
marine outboard engine big boys?
Uh, you might want to search on some large-scale "boating" discussion
boards.
Karen? Is that you?
Naw, but there seem to be any number of "isolated" problems with some of
the etecs, some of which involve powerhead replacements. Dunno why.

Oh - you mean the ones that Karen posted?

Those have been around for a while and it's always a friend of a
friend or indirect "evidence".


There are some "current" first-person tales of failure on thehulltruth.

"Just a heads up. My neighbor lost the powerhead on his 200 hp 2006
etec."

know the feeling . my 2007 250 opti blew in the first 2.5 miles

One I recall from last week was from a fellow with a 175 etec that blew
up after about eight hours of running. Of course, the etec acolytes
jumped right on the guy... :}

You mean RAS?

He's a Suzuki dealer. :)

Eco-Friendly Boat Engine A Sell-out...
 

On Wed, 05 Sep 2007 20:35:10 -0400, HK wrote:

Short-term fix, with eventual abandonment. I'm on my second four stroke
Yamaha, and "I bin konverted." I'd never buy a two stroke outboard now.
Mostly what I see down are are Yamaha and Suzuki four strokes, a much
lower number of Hondas, very very few Mercury Verados and so far, one
etec.

Here's a dissenting voice for what it's worth.

At the beginning of the year we bought a Honda 20 hp 4 stroke for our
RIB dinghy, replacing an aging Merc 15 hp 2 stroke. The Honda is a
solid motor and quite reliable but it is totally lacking in low end
torque. The Merc 15 always popped the RIB up on plane within a second
or two with two people aboard, sometimes with three. The Honda
struggles to get two people on plane and refuses with three. I've
ordered a new prop with less pitch and hopefully that will help the
situation but so far it has been disappointing.

Eco-Friendly Boat Engine A Sell-out...
 

Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
On Wed, 05 Sep 2007 20:52:15 -0400, HK wrote:

Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
On Wed, 05 Sep 2007 20:31:30 -0400, HK wrote:

Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
On Wed, 05 Sep 2007 19:08:04 -0400, HK wrote:

JimH wrote:
"trainfan1" wrote in message
...
http://www.bernama.com.my/bernama/v3/news.php?id=283226

Rob
Based on what I have read here and on the manufacturers sites I would prefer
an E-Tec to power the next boat I purchase.

Having said that..........what is the future of 2 strokes? Will the E-Tec
survive future new and stricter emmisions standards for marine engines? Are
they as environmentally friendly as the 4 strokes manufactured by the other
marine outboard engine big boys?
Uh, you might want to search on some large-scale "boating" discussion
boards.
Karen? Is that you?
Naw, but there seem to be any number of "isolated" problems with some of
the etecs, some of which involve powerhead replacements. Dunno why.
Oh - you mean the ones that Karen posted?

Those have been around for a while and it's always a friend of a
friend or indirect "evidence".

There are some "current" first-person tales of failure on thehulltruth.

"Just a heads up. My neighbor lost the powerhead on his 200 hp 2006
etec."

know the feeling . my 2007 250 opti blew in the first 2.5 miles

One I recall from last week was from a fellow with a 175 etec that blew
up after about eight hours of running. Of course, the etec acolytes
jumped right on the guy... :}

You mean RAS?

He's a Suzuki dealer. :)


Well, Tom, so far I have seen one etec, on the watercop's boat. But the
boat never seems to leave the marina, except to hassle the guys who fish
near a close-by oysterbed. There's a "dealer" of Evinrudes right at the
marina. He doesn't seem to be enjoying much market penetration, less
even than the Honda dealers. (I am referring to the larger outboards; I
don't pay attention to the smaller ones.)


I see the etecs as the same sort of interim "high tech" two stroke
solution that the Optimaxes are. At some point, Evinrude and Mercury
will be out of the two cycle outboard business. Yamaha and Suzuki are
farther along that road.

Eco-Friendly Boat Engine A Sell-out...
 

On Wed, 05 Sep 2007 21:39:06 -0400, HK wrote:

At some point, Evinrude and Mercury
will be out of the two cycle outboard business.

May be true for Merc, but the Optimax is not going anywhere for a long
time for a variety of reasons.

Evinrude only builds two strokes.

And despite your experience, I'm seeing more and more ETECs around
here.

Eco-Friendly Boat Engine A Sell-out...
 

On Wed, 05 Sep 2007 21:28:13 -0400, Wayne.B
wrote:

On Wed, 05 Sep 2007 20:35:10 -0400, HK wrote:

Short-term fix, with eventual abandonment. I'm on my second four stroke
Yamaha, and "I bin konverted." I'd never buy a two stroke outboard now.
Mostly what I see down are are Yamaha and Suzuki four strokes, a much
lower number of Hondas, very very few Mercury Verados and so far, one
etec.

Here's a dissenting voice for what it's worth.

At the beginning of the year we bought a Honda 20 hp 4 stroke for our
RIB dinghy, replacing an aging Merc 15 hp 2 stroke. The Honda is a
solid motor and quite reliable but it is totally lacking in low end
torque. The Merc 15 always popped the RIB up on plane within a second
or two with two people aboard, sometimes with three. The Honda
struggles to get two people on plane and refuses with three. I've
ordered a new prop with less pitch and hopefully that will help the
situation but so far it has been disappointing.

I don't have any direct experience with four strokes, but I know guys
who have purchased 40/50 hp class four strokes with smaller
bass/fishing boats and that seems to be a common complaint.

Never hear that with two strokers. :)

One engine that the 18 foot class bass boat crowd is the 90 ETEC. That
seems to be a real winner along with the 40 with the charter crowd up
in Quebec.