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Homeowner's Associations suck!
Yes, this post is on-topic. I just have to vent...thanks for listening. I live in an apartment and store my 17' v-hull I/O runabout boat in a storage facility. Whenever I need to work on it, I go get the boat and bring it to her house for a day or two and work on it there...nothing major -- just routine stuff like winterizing, tuneups, and other minor repairs or modifications...it's not like I'm leaving a junky boat half torn apart in her driveway. All has been well with this situation for the past 3 years or so until now. A rep of the homeowner's association which regulates the neighborhood my girlfriend lives in called her today saying that the association regulations prohibit working on boats and that boats could be loaded or unloaded only on your property. Where does one practically work on their boat if they cannot work on it at their house? I cannot afford to have someone do every little thing to my boat when it needs something done to it. Sure, I could probably get away with doing small things to it, but what about the other things like winterizing or getting it ready to go in the Spring? The way I see it, I am screwed and don't have much choice but to get rid of the boat. What a depressing thought that is, especially since it is a boat that has been in my family for 35 years, is running better than it ever has, not to mention how much enjoyment we get from it. |
Homeowner's Associations suck!
Sorry..."her" in the second paragraph below refers to my girlfriend.
In article , Bob wrote: : :Yes, this post is on-topic. I just have to vent...thanks for :listening. : :I live in an apartment and store my 17' v-hull I/O runabout boat in a :storage facility. Whenever I need to work on it, I go get the boat and :bring it to her house for a day or two and work on it there...nothing :major -- just routine stuff like winterizing, tuneups, and other minor :repairs or modifications...it's not like I'm leaving a junky boat half :torn apart in her driveway. : :All has been well with this situation for the past 3 years or so until :now. A rep of the homeowner's association which regulates the :neighborhood my girlfriend lives in called her today saying that the :association regulations prohibit working on boats and that boats could :be loaded or unloaded only on your property. : :Where does one practically work on their boat if they cannot work on it :at their house? I cannot afford to have someone do every little thing :to my boat when it needs something done to it. Sure, I could probably :get away with doing small things to it, but what about the other things :like winterizing or getting it ready to go in the Spring? The way I :see it, I am screwed and don't have much choice but to get rid of the :boat. What a depressing thought that is, especially since it is a boat :that has been in my family for 35 years, is running better than it ever :has, not to mention how much enjoyment we get from it. : : |
Homeowner's Associations suck!
Buy a vacant lot nearby (if there are any). Put a chain link fence compound
on it and keep your boat there. If there was a house there, you'll have access to electrical power and water hookups. |
Homeowner's Associations suck!
"Bob" wrote in message ... Yes, this post is on-topic. I just have to vent...thanks for listening. I live in an apartment and store my 17' v-hull I/O runabout boat in a storage facility. Whenever I need to work on it, I go get the boat and bring it to her house for a day or two and work on it there...nothing major -- just routine stuff like winterizing, tuneups, and other minor repairs or modifications...it's not like I'm leaving a junky boat half torn apart in her driveway. All has been well with this situation for the past 3 years or so until now. A rep of the homeowner's association which regulates the neighborhood my girlfriend lives in called her today saying that the association regulations prohibit working on boats and that boats could be loaded or unloaded only on your property. Where does one practically work on their boat if they cannot work on it at their house? I cannot afford to have someone do every little thing to my boat when it needs something done to it. Sure, I could probably get away with doing small things to it, but what about the other things like winterizing or getting it ready to go in the Spring? The way I see it, I am screwed and don't have much choice but to get rid of the boat. What a depressing thought that is, especially since it is a boat that has been in my family for 35 years, is running better than it ever has, not to mention how much enjoyment we get from it. Easy solution. Keep the boat. Dump the girlfriend for a new one who does not live in a developement with a HOA. |
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(Bob) wrote:
Where does one practically work on their boat if they cannot work on it at their house? If the new girlfriend idea isn't workable for some reason, join a Yacht Club. |
Homeowner's Associations suck!
Bob wrote:
Yes, this post is on-topic. I just have to vent...thanks for listening. I live in an apartment and store my 17' v-hull I/O runabout boat in a storage facility. Whenever I need to work on it, I go get the boat and bring it to her house for a day or two and work on it there...nothing major -- just routine stuff like winterizing, tuneups, and other minor repairs or modifications...it's not like I'm leaving a junky boat half torn apart in her driveway. All has been well with this situation for the past 3 years or so until now. A rep of the homeowner's association which regulates the neighborhood my girlfriend lives in called her today saying that the association regulations prohibit working on boats and that boats could be loaded or unloaded only on your property. Where does one practically work on their boat if they cannot work on it at their house? I cannot afford to have someone do every little thing to my boat when it needs something done to it. Sure, I could probably get away with doing small things to it, but what about the other things like winterizing or getting it ready to go in the Spring? The way I see it, I am screwed and don't have much choice but to get rid of the boat. What a depressing thought that is, especially since it is a boat that has been in my family for 35 years, is running better than it ever has, not to mention how much enjoyment we get from it. I hear ya amigo, A buddy of mine has a go-fast that he would bring to his house ever spring for cleaning. It would be at his hours maybe 30 minutes before "the assoication" people would call. The rules they had said it could not be stored there. We he was not storing it there, just cleaning it and that would take a couple of days. We use to keep out boat at a marina and they would conplain if we tried to wash it there. Luckly I could fit it in a car wash and spray it down and just polish it up at the marina. It ws still a pain, but doable. I how you find a answer. Capt Jack R.. |
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Mike Gardner wrote:
First, get a copy of the homeowner asssocation agreement. Read it carefully. They tend to be written badly and often abused to meet the current opinions of whomever overly self-important, no-life shucks who currently enforce them like or don't like. Often what people are told is not what is in the document - only what he person telling you thinks. I would agree with all of this except for one problem. It's not his house. He's just an invited guest. The girlfriend is the one that'll wind up on the hot seat when things escalate. I don't think I'd want to put someone else in that position be it girlfriend, platonic friend, family, or anyone else. But don't sell the boat. There's bound to be another way. Rick |
Homeowner's Associations suck!
In article ,
wrote: :Mike Gardner wrote: :First, get a copy of the homeowner asssocation agreement. Read it :carefully. They tend to be written badly and often abused to meet the :current opinions of whomever overly self-important, no-life shucks who :currently enforce them like or don't like. Often what people are told :is not what is in the document - only what he person telling you thinks. : :I would agree with all of this except for one problem. It's not his :house. He's just an invited guest. The girlfriend is the one that'll :wind up on the hot seat when things escalate. I don't think I'd want :to put someone else in that position be it girlfriend, platonic :friend, family, or anyone else. : :But don't sell the boat. There's bound to be another way. : :Rick I agree Rick...hate to see my GF have to go to court to keep her house because of me. Here are her HOA CC&Rs with regards to this: "No boats, trucks, automobiles, or other vehicles, or trailers may be stored in the open within view of the public street within this subdivision for more than twenty-four (24) hours, nor may they be repaired except in an emergency within said twenty-four (24) hour period on any of the streets within this subdivision." To me, this technically sounds like you could work on your boat in the DRIVEWAY as long as it was an "emergency" AND you did it within the 24 hour period. But I get the feeling that they mean "within view" like they mention in the first part talking about storage. |
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(Bob) wrote:
I get the feeling that they mean "within view" like they mention in the first part talking about storage. Exactly. And there's another thing. We need to talk. This girlfriend thing can get to be very slippery slope. First, she goes to bat for you, next she drops a hint that it's no problem cuz soon you'll be living there too, then she starts expecting a rock on her finger, you get the picture. I'm tellin' ya man, the fairer sex can be veeeeery tricky. I haven't remained a bachelor lo these many years without learnin' at thing or two ;-) Join a Yacht Club and use their facilities for boat maintenance. Rick |
Homeowner's Associations suck!
In article ,
wrote: :(Bob) wrote: :I get the feeling that they mean "within view" like :they mention in the first part talking about storage. : :Exactly. : :And there's another thing. We need to talk. This girlfriend thing can :get to be very slippery slope. First, she goes to bat for you, next :she drops a hint that it's no problem cuz soon you'll be living there :too, then she starts expecting a rock on her finger, you get the :picture. I'm tellin' ya man, the fairer sex can be veeeeery tricky. I :haven't remained a bachelor lo these many years without learnin' at :thing or two ;-) :Join a Yacht Club and use their facilities for boat maintenance. : :Rick LOL. I think I'm OK on that front -- I've also managed to remain a bachelor for all my 52 years, but I appreciate the words of wisdom none the less! :-) Will have to check into the Yach Club thing but I'm thinking that might be pretty expensive and not very convenient since the nearest yacht club is quite a ways away. I think I'll scale back doing any maintenance or work at the house which requires I start the boat on the trailer and instead haul it over to my cousin's place about a 1/2 hour drive away or just wait to do those things just before launch and/or on the water. F 'em if they want to get on us for me doing other little things while it's parked in her driveway during the "24 hour storage period". |
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A rep of the homeowner's association which regulates the neighborhood my girlfriend lives If she lives in a "controlled" neighborhood, you may be dinked....if she owns the house...tell him to stick his finger up his ass, pull it out and smell it...then he'll know how full of **** he is. ......sorry....I had to vent. |
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"Bob" wrote in message ... LOL. I think I'm OK on that front -- I've also managed to remain a bachelor for all my 52 years, but I appreciate the words of wisdom none the less! :-) Will have to check into the Yach Club thing but I'm thinking that might be pretty expensive and not very convenient since the nearest yacht club is quite a ways away. I think I'll scale back doing any maintenance or work at the house which requires I start the boat on the trailer and instead haul it over to my cousin's place about a 1/2 hour drive away or just wait to do those things just before launch and/or on the water. F 'em if they want to get on us for me doing other little things while it's parked in her driveway during the "24 hour storage period". I'd have to agree on the boat/yacht club thing. We're lucky here, I could join one or more from a list of almost two dozen. Some very expensive, some dirt cheap, some close.. others an hours drive, most on the ocean and a few on fresh water etc etc. The right club might be a nice social place to hang around in-between outings. |
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Homeowner's Associations suck!
On Mon, 20 Aug 2007 23:29:23 -0400, wrote:
On Tue, 21 Aug 2007 01:15:03 +0000 (UTC), (Bob) wrote: Yes, this post is on-topic. I just have to vent...thanks for listening. I live in an apartment and store my 17' v-hull I/O runabout boat in a storage facility. Whenever I need to work on it, I go get the boat and bring it to her house for a day or two and work on it there...nothing major -- just routine stuff like winterizing, tuneups, and other minor repairs or modifications...it's not like I'm leaving a junky boat half torn apart in her driveway. All has been well with this situation for the past 3 years or so until now. A rep of the homeowner's association which regulates the neighborhood my girlfriend lives in called her today saying that the association regulations prohibit working on boats and that boats could be loaded or unloaded only on your property. Where does one practically work on their boat if they cannot work on it at their house? I cannot afford to have someone do every little thing to my boat when it needs something done to it. Sure, I could probably get away with doing small things to it, but what about the other things like winterizing or getting it ready to go in the Spring? The way I see it, I am screwed and don't have much choice but to get rid of the boat. What a depressing thought that is, especially since it is a boat that has been in my family for 35 years, is running better than it ever has, not to mention how much enjoyment we get from it. The short answer is screw them. If you really don't care and the boat is not there longer than it takes for them to bring legal action there is really not much they can do. Certainly they can be mad at you but it is really pretty hard to enforce rules that are only broken for a day at a time, fairly infrequently. Basically it is pretty hard for them to hit a moving target. This is from the former president of TWO HOAs I had people just tell me to go screw myself and there really wasn't much I could do about it. You can always jump through the hoops to get a lien on the property to try to enforce the fines but that only affects people who plan on selling soon and who actually have some equity in the property. If they walk away from the house (which will be happening about 8 million times in the next year) they walk away from your "fine" too. My condo association got in line at bankruptsy court on 5 uinits that were in arrears on fines and fees ... we didn't walk away with a dime. I should have read this before my response, Bob. I basically agree with everything he says. Take 15 minutes and read the association rules. -- John H |
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(Bob) wrote:
F 'em if they want to get on us Well, aalllll righty then..... But just remember, it won't be "us" they'll get on. You're completely in the clear here. She's the one that'll be under the gun... FOR you. So don't discount what I told ya' 'bout that slippery slope. -shakin' head- Rick |
Homeowner's Associations suck!
On Tue, 21 Aug 2007 01:15:03 +0000 (UTC), Bob penned the following
well considered thoughts to the readers of rec.boats: Yes, this post is on-topic. I just have to vent...thanks for listening. I live in an apartment and store my 17' v-hull I/O runabout boat in a storage facility. Whenever I need to work on it, I go get the boat and bring it to her house for a day or two and work on it there...nothing major -- just routine stuff like winterizing, tuneups, and other minor repairs or modifications...it's not like I'm leaving a junky boat half torn apart in her driveway. All has been well with this situation for the past 3 years or so until now. A rep of the homeowner's association which regulates the neighborhood my girlfriend lives in called her today saying that the association regulations prohibit working on boats and that boats could be loaded or unloaded only on your property. Where does one practically work on their boat if they cannot work on it at their house? I cannot afford to have someone do every little thing to my boat when it needs something done to it. Sure, I could probably get away with doing small things to it, but what about the other things like winterizing or getting it ready to go in the Spring? The way I see it, I am screwed and don't have much choice but to get rid of the boat. What a depressing thought that is, especially since it is a boat that has been in my family for 35 years, is running better than it ever has, not to mention how much enjoyment we get from it. I will never understand why anybody would willing sign a document binding themselves and (potentially) their heirs to an "association" which promises all of the restrictions of (yet another layer of) government, but with none of the expected protections. The typical level of intrusion into one's personal life and behavior is, IMHO, absolutely unacceptable! Do you really want to live your life according to a code of behavior that a bunch of busybodies will coercively force on you? .......especially, when *you* didn't sign the document to begin with? Buy your own nonrestricted homestead, then you can store and work on your property as *you* see fit. Invite the GF over to *your* place..... PS You will discover many other benefits and freedoms, as well. You'll be able to leave the toilet seat up, too, if you want to ..... -- Grady-White Gulfstream, out of Oak Island, NC. Homepage http://pamandgene.idleplay.net/ Rec.boats at Lee Yeaton's Bayguide http://www.thebayguide.com/rec.boats ----------------- www.Newsgroup-Binaries.com - *Completion*Retention*Speed* Access your favorite newsgroups from home or on the road ----------------- |
Homeowner's Associations suck!
I will never understand why anybody would willing sign a document binding themselves and (potentially) their heirs to an "association" which promises all of the restrictions of (yet another layer of) government, but with none of the expected protections. The typical level of intrusion into one's personal life and behavior is, IMHO, absolutely unacceptable! Do you really want to live your life according to a code of behavior that a bunch of busybodies will coercively force on you? ......especially, when *you* didn't sign the document to begin with? Buy your own nonrestricted homestead, then you can store and work on your property as *you* see fit. Invite the GF over to *your* place..... PS You will discover many other benefits and freedoms, as well. You'll be able to leave the toilet seat up, too, if you want to ..... Homeowners Associations are a popular developers/local government scam in Kalifornia and other areas. Basically, the building density can be much higher (more units per acre) and the HOA is responsible for road and drainage maintenance, code enforcement, etc, instead of the town or city. It is a very convenient way for the town/city to absolve themselves for responsibility to maintain the roads, the sewer and drain pipes, and do code enforcement. A very scummy arrangement that is good for the developers and the towns/cities, but really bad for the residents. Your suggestion to buy somewhere that doesn't have an HOA sounds really good, except that most people don't have the money to buy the kind of home they would REALLY like. In other words, not everyone is rich, or lives in an area that the housing cost are reasonable compared to wages. For us working folks, HOAs can be a necessary evil, if we want to buy SOME kind of home. It must be nice to have lots of $$. It is unfortunate that for many, it really warps their comprehension of the reality of life for for regular working folks. |
Homeowner's Associations suck!
On Tue, 21 Aug 2007 12:02:26 -0700, penned the
following well considered thoughts to the readers of rec.boats: Your suggestion to buy somewhere that doesn't have an HOA sounds really good, except that most people don't have the money to buy the kind of home they would REALLY like. In other words, not everyone is rich, or lives in an area that the housing cost are reasonable compared to wages. For us working folks, HOAs can be a necessary evil, if we want to buy SOME kind of home. It must be nice to have lots of $$. It is unfortunate that for many, it really warps their comprehension of the reality of life for for regular working folks. That is odd! Here in NC, it is the high end neighborhoods where HOAs are all the rage. Many HOAs seem to exist, in part, to enforce rules where it gives the illusion that no one in the neighborhood must either work for a living or do any personal manual labor (winterize the boat, for example). Most covenants are written such that you can keep a boat on the property if it is housed within a garage..... and many covenants prohibit an unattached garage. So.... you can have your boat if you can afford a house/garage big enough to house both. Go figure....... -- Grady-White Gulfstream, out of Oak Island, NC. Homepage http://pamandgene.idleplay.net/ Rec.boats at Lee Yeaton's Bayguide http://www.thebayguide.com/rec.boats ----------------- www.Newsgroup-Binaries.com - *Completion*Retention*Speed* Access your favorite newsgroups from home or on the road ----------------- |
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wrote in message oups.com... I will never understand why anybody would willing sign a document binding themselves and (potentially) their heirs to an "association" which promises all of the restrictions of (yet another layer of) government, but with none of the expected protections. The typical level of intrusion into one's personal life and behavior is, IMHO, absolutely unacceptable! Do you really want to live your life according to a code of behavior that a bunch of busybodies will coercively force on you? ......especially, when *you* didn't sign the document to begin with? Buy your own nonrestricted homestead, then you can store and work on your property as *you* see fit. Invite the GF over to *your* place..... PS You will discover many other benefits and freedoms, as well. You'll be able to leave the toilet seat up, too, if you want to ..... Homeowners Associations are a popular developers/local government scam in Kalifornia and other areas. Basically, the building density can be much higher (more units per acre) and the HOA is responsible for road and drainage maintenance, code enforcement, etc, instead of the town or city. It is a very convenient way for the town/city to absolve themselves for responsibility to maintain the roads, the sewer and drain pipes, and do code enforcement. A very scummy arrangement that is good for the developers and the towns/cities, but really bad for the residents. Your suggestion to buy somewhere that doesn't have an HOA sounds really good, except that most people don't have the money to buy the kind of home they would REALLY like. In other words, not everyone is rich, or lives in an area that the housing cost are reasonable compared to wages. For us working folks, HOAs can be a necessary evil, if we want to buy SOME kind of home. It must be nice to have lots of $$. It is unfortunate that for many, it really warps their comprehension of the reality of life for for regular working folks. We have a HOA in our development. The Association officers are responsible for contracting out the care and upkeep of the main entrance to the development (landscaping and sidewalk snow removal) as well as enforcing Association bylaws. They also review and approve fence and shed installations. Annual cost to each homeowner is $80. Folks purchasing houses in the developement are told up front of the Association and are given a copy of the bylaws. I don't mind it. It helps ensure we don't get junk cars and trailers parked in driveways and eventually adds to the worth of my house. BTW: I can work on or store my boat on the trailer in my driveway for 2 full weeks/year, which is reasonable. |
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On Tue, 21 Aug 2007 15:54:28 -0400, "JimH" ask penned the
following well considered thoughts to the readers of rec.boats: We have a HOA in our development. The Association officers are responsible for contracting out the care and upkeep of the main entrance to the development (landscaping and sidewalk snow removal) as well as enforcing Association bylaws. They also review and approve fence and shed installations. Annual cost to each homeowner is $80. That is pretty cheap compared to most HOAs. Folks purchasing houses in the developement are told up front of the Association and are given a copy of the bylaws. My guess is that nothing is binding, if they didn't also assent to and sign the restrictive covenants prior to purchase. I don't mind it. It helps ensure we don't get junk cars and trailers parked in driveways and eventually adds to the worth of my house. I don't have any of that, now, and I can park my boat in the driveway and work on it whenever and as long as I want..... BTW: I can work on or store my boat on the trailer in my driveway for 2 full weeks/year, which is reasonable. ......which is convenient because if I couldn't, I'd be spending another $75-$350+/month to slip the boat. That makes that $80 look like $155-$430+ to me! -- Grady-White Gulfstream, out of Oak Island, NC. Homepage http://pamandgene.idleplay.net/ Rec.boats at Lee Yeaton's Bayguide http://www.thebayguide.com/rec.boats ----------------- www.Newsgroup-Binaries.com - *Completion*Retention*Speed* Access your favorite newsgroups from home or on the road ----------------- |
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Gene Kearns wrote:
My guess is that nothing is binding, if they didn't also assent to and sign the restrictive covenants prior to purchase. I don't know about your state, but in mine it's as binding as any other deed restriction. And deed restrictions are very much binding. Rick |
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Gene Kearns wrote:
On Tue, 21 Aug 2007 15:54:28 -0400, "JimH" ask penned the following well considered thoughts to the readers of rec.boats: We have a HOA in our development. The Association officers are responsible for contracting out the care and upkeep of the main entrance to the development (landscaping and sidewalk snow removal) as well as enforcing Association bylaws. They also review and approve fence and shed installations. Annual cost to each homeowner is $80. That is pretty cheap compared to most HOAs. My guess is that nothing is binding, if they didn't also assent to and sign the restrictive covenants prior to purchase. Gene, It is good that you don't live in a community with HOA and restrictive covenants, because you probably would be very surprised how incorrect your guess is. |
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I see the CCR intentionally doesn't specifically exclude motor homes.
Sure they could be grouped in the 'other vehicles' clause to stiff some homeowner, but still leaves an out for the HOA Nazis to park THEIR land yachts when they want to. JR Bob wrote: In article , wrote: :Mike Gardner wrote: :First, get a copy of the homeowner asssocation agreement. Read it :carefully. They tend to be written badly and often abused to meet the :current opinions of whomever overly self-important, no-life shucks who :currently enforce them like or don't like. Often what people are told :is not what is in the document - only what he person telling you thinks. : :I would agree with all of this except for one problem. It's not his :house. He's just an invited guest. The girlfriend is the one that'll :wind up on the hot seat when things escalate. I don't think I'd want :to put someone else in that position be it girlfriend, platonic :friend, family, or anyone else. : :But don't sell the boat. There's bound to be another way. : :Rick I agree Rick...hate to see my GF have to go to court to keep her house because of me. Here are her HOA CC&Rs with regards to this: "No boats, trucks, automobiles, or other vehicles, or trailers may be stored in the open within view of the public street within this subdivision for more than twenty-four (24) hours, nor may they be repaired except in an emergency within said twenty-four (24) hour period on any of the streets within this subdivision." To me, this technically sounds like you could work on your boat in the DRIVEWAY as long as it was an "emergency" AND you did it within the 24 hour period. But I get the feeling that they mean "within view" like they mention in the first part talking about storage. -- -------------------------------------------------------------- Home Page: http://www.seanet.com/~jasonrnorth |
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On Tue, 21 Aug 2007 15:50:25 -0500, lid penned the
following well considered thoughts to the readers of rec.boats: Gene Kearns wrote: My guess is that nothing is binding, if they didn't also assent to and sign the restrictive covenants prior to purchase. I don't know about your state, but in mine it's as binding as any other deed restriction. And deed restrictions are very much binding. Rick Even if you don't sign it? -- Grady-White Gulfstream, out of Oak Island, NC. Homepage http://pamandgene.idleplay.net/ Rec.boats at Lee Yeaton's Bayguide http://www.thebayguide.com/rec.boats ----------------- www.Newsgroup-Binaries.com - *Completion*Retention*Speed* Access your favorite newsgroups from home or on the road ----------------- |
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Gene Kearns wrote:
On Tue, 21 Aug 2007 12:02:26 -0700, penned the following well considered thoughts to the readers of rec.boats: Your suggestion to buy somewhere that doesn't have an HOA sounds really good, except that most people don't have the money to buy the kind of home they would REALLY like. In other words, not everyone is rich, or lives in an area that the housing cost are reasonable compared to wages. For us working folks, HOAs can be a necessary evil, if we want to buy SOME kind of home. It must be nice to have lots of $$. It is unfortunate that for many, it really warps their comprehension of the reality of life for for regular working folks. That is odd! Here in NC, it is the high end neighborhoods where HOAs are all the rage. Many HOAs seem to exist, in part, to enforce rules where it gives the illusion that no one in the neighborhood must either work for a living or do any personal manual labor (winterize the boat, for example). Its all about keeping you from putting that single wide in the backyard for mama and making sure that you don't have that old Chevy up on blocks in the front yard fro a couple of years. Most covenants are written such that you can keep a boat on the property if it is housed within a garage..... and many covenants prohibit an unattached garage. So.... you can have your boat if you can afford a house/garage big enough to house both. Go figure....... Its all about resale value. |
Homeowner's Associations suck!
Gene Kearns wrote:
On Tue, 21 Aug 2007 15:54:28 -0400, "JimH" ask penned the following well considered thoughts to the readers of rec.boats: We have a HOA in our development. The Association officers are responsible for contracting out the care and upkeep of the main entrance to the development (landscaping and sidewalk snow removal) as well as enforcing Association bylaws. They also review and approve fence and shed installations. Annual cost to each homeowner is $80. That is pretty cheap compared to most HOAs. Folks purchasing houses in the developement are told up front of the Association and are given a copy of the bylaws. My guess is that nothing is binding, if they didn't also assent to and sign the restrictive covenants prior to purchase. The covenants come with the land. There is no option to dissent from the covenants. I don't mind it. It helps ensure we don't get junk cars and trailers parked in driveways and eventually adds to the worth of my house. I don't have any of that, now, and I can park my boat in the driveway and work on it whenever and as long as I want..... BTW: I can work on or store my boat on the trailer in my driveway for 2 full weeks/year, which is reasonable. .....which is convenient because if I couldn't, I'd be spending another $75-$350+/month to slip the boat. That makes that $80 look like $155-$430+ to me! |
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"BAR" wrote in message . .. Gene Kearns wrote: On Tue, 21 Aug 2007 12:02:26 -0700, penned the following well considered thoughts to the readers of rec.boats: Your suggestion to buy somewhere that doesn't have an HOA sounds really good, except that most people don't have the money to buy the kind of home they would REALLY like. In other words, not everyone is rich, or lives in an area that the housing cost are reasonable compared to wages. For us working folks, HOAs can be a necessary evil, if we want to buy SOME kind of home. It must be nice to have lots of $$. It is unfortunate that for many, it really warps their comprehension of the reality of life for for regular working folks. That is odd! Here in NC, it is the high end neighborhoods where HOAs are all the rage. Many HOAs seem to exist, in part, to enforce rules where it gives the illusion that no one in the neighborhood must either work for a living or do any personal manual labor (winterize the boat, for example). Its all about keeping you from putting that single wide in the backyard for mama and making sure that you don't have that old Chevy up on blocks in the front yard fro a couple of years. Most covenants are written such that you can keep a boat on the property if it is housed within a garage..... and many covenants prohibit an unattached garage. So.... you can have your boat if you can afford a house/garage big enough to house both. Go figure....... Its all about resale value. Yep! (As I stated earlier.) |
Homeowner's Associations suck!
Bob wrote:
In article , wrote: :Mike Gardner wrote: :First, get a copy of the homeowner asssocation agreement. Read it :carefully. They tend to be written badly and often abused to meet the :current opinions of whomever overly self-important, no-life shucks who :currently enforce them like or don't like. Often what people are told :is not what is in the document - only what he person telling you thinks. : :I would agree with all of this except for one problem. It's not his :house. He's just an invited guest. The girlfriend is the one that'll :wind up on the hot seat when things escalate. I don't think I'd want :to put someone else in that position be it girlfriend, platonic :friend, family, or anyone else. : :But don't sell the boat. There's bound to be another way. : :Rick I agree Rick...hate to see my GF have to go to court to keep her house because of me. Here are her HOA CC&Rs with regards to this: "No boats, trucks, automobiles, or other vehicles, or trailers may be stored in the open within view of the public street within this subdivision for more than twenty-four (24) hours, nor may they be repaired except in an emergency within said twenty-four (24) hour period on any of the streets within this subdivision." To me, this technically sounds like you could work on your boat in the DRIVEWAY as long as it was an "emergency" AND you did it within the 24 hour period. But I get the feeling that they mean "within view" like they mention in the first part talking about storage. I'd hold them to their own rules and point out that you aren't "repairing" the boat, you are performing routine "maintenance". I'm sure they don't mind people washing or waxing their cars but they would bitch if they dropped the transmission for a repair. Dan |
Homeowner's Associations suck!
Gene Kearns wrote:
On Tue, 21 Aug 2007 15:50:25 -0500, lid penned the following well considered thoughts to the readers of rec.boats: Gene Kearns wrote: My guess is that nothing is binding, if they didn't also assent to and sign the restrictive covenants prior to purchase. I don't know about your state, but in mine it's as binding as any other deed restriction. And deed restrictions are very much binding. Rick Even if you don't sign it? If you buy the property you agree to the deed restrictions and covenants. |
Homeowner's Associations suck!
On Tue, 21 Aug 2007 18:00:21 -0400, Gene Kearns
wrote: On Tue, 21 Aug 2007 15:50:25 -0500, lid penned the following well considered thoughts to the readers of rec.boats: Gene Kearns wrote: My guess is that nothing is binding, if they didn't also assent to and sign the restrictive covenants prior to purchase. I don't know about your state, but in mine it's as binding as any other deed restriction. And deed restrictions are very much binding. Rick Even if you don't sign it? Gene, when I last bought a house with an HOA, signing the papers was part of the closing process. Where I now live doesn't have an HOA, per se, although we do have an 'association'. There is no set of rules/bylaws which must be obeyed. -- John H |
Homeowner's Associations suck!
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Homeowner's Associations suck!
Phantman:
I don't know about your state, but in mine it's as binding as any other deed restriction. And deed restrictions are very much binding. Gene Kearns wrote: Even if you don't sign it? Yep. A deed restriction runs with the land. It's one of the reasons you get a Title Opinion before buying property. To uncover these sorts of things. Rick |
Homeowner's Associations suck!
David Scheidt wrote:
There are exceptions, for instance, many properties contain restrictions prohibiting blacks, jews, or otherwise people the developer thought were "undesirable". These are unenforcable, and meaningless, but still exist on many properties. Exactly. An Abstractors job can get complicated. Rick |
Homeowner's Associations suck!
:But don't sell the boat. There's bound to be another way.
: :Rick I agree Rick...hate to see my GF have to go to court to keep her house because of me. Here are her HOA CC&Rs with regards to this: "No boats, trucks, automobiles, or other vehicles, or trailers may be stored in the open within view of the public street within this subdivision for more than twenty-four (24) hours, nor may they be repaired except in an emergency within said twenty-four (24) hour period on any of the streets within this subdivision." To me, this technically sounds like you could work on your boat in the DRIVEWAY as long as it was an "emergency" AND you did it within the 24 hour period. But I get the feeling that they mean "within view" like they mention in the first part talking about storage. Sounds like you can park and perform your "emergency" repairs on the boat for up to 24 hrs with no problem. "Winterizing" would become my next "emergency" repair. |
Homeowner's Associations suck!
On Tue, 21 Aug 2007 19:33:41 -0400, BAR wrote:
My guess is that nothing is binding, if they didn't also assent to and sign the restrictive covenants prior to purchase. The covenants come with the land. There is no option to dissent from the covenants. Where we've been looking, it seems that neighborhood/development "associations" are the norm. And that real estate agents will lie about it. We almost closed on a house. One of the conditions was no restrictions or "associations" or anything like that. I want to put up a tower for my radio hobby and I like to keep my trailer boats close to my residence. As the paperwork was being passed around for signatures, the agent slipped in one that said "association dues" - I asked and yeppers - there was an association alright - very loosely worded constraints on what could and couldn't be done with the property. No thank you. Lawyers were po'd - not my fault - talk to the agent. Loser. |
Homeowner's Associations suck!
On Wed, 22 Aug 2007 10:45:24 GMT, Short Wave Sportfishing
wrote: We almost closed on a house. One of the conditions was no restrictions or "associations" or anything like that. I want to put up a tower for my radio hobby and I like to keep my trailer boats close to my residence. Better also check local ordinances about that tower. But maybe you did. --Vic |
Homeowner's Associations suck!
On Wed, 22 Aug 2007 05:50:46 -0500, Vic Smith
wrote: On Wed, 22 Aug 2007 10:45:24 GMT, Short Wave Sportfishing wrote: We almost closed on a house. One of the conditions was no restrictions or "associations" or anything like that. I want to put up a tower for my radio hobby and I like to keep my trailer boats close to my residence. Better also check local ordinances about that tower. But maybe you did. Local ordinaces are superceded by Federal guidelines regarding towers. As long as I stay within the Federal guidelines, I'm fine. Association contracts are a bit sticker, but they have been successfully fought. |
Homeowner's Associations suck!
"Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message ... On Wed, 22 Aug 2007 05:50:46 -0500, Vic Smith wrote: On Wed, 22 Aug 2007 10:45:24 GMT, Short Wave Sportfishing wrote: We almost closed on a house. One of the conditions was no restrictions or "associations" or anything like that. I want to put up a tower for my radio hobby and I like to keep my trailer boats close to my residence. Better also check local ordinances about that tower. But maybe you did. Local ordinaces are superceded by Federal guidelines regarding towers. As long as I stay within the Federal guidelines, I'm fine. That's what I thought. I suppose it depends on what part of the country you live in, but here in the People's Republic of Duxbury, local ordinances supersede Federal guidelines as long as the local ordinances are equal to or exceed (more restrictive) those of the Fed. You are allowed to purchase your property, pay the taxes and the upkeep, but the town determines what you can do and not do with it for the most part. Eisboch |
Homeowner's Associations suck!
On Tue, 21 Aug 2007 17:23:05 -0400, Reginald P. Smithers III penned
the following well considered thoughts to the readers of rec.boats: Gene Kearns wrote: On Tue, 21 Aug 2007 15:54:28 -0400, "JimH" ask penned the following well considered thoughts to the readers of rec.boats: We have a HOA in our development. The Association officers are responsible for contracting out the care and upkeep of the main entrance to the development (landscaping and sidewalk snow removal) as well as enforcing Association bylaws. They also review and approve fence and shed installations. Annual cost to each homeowner is $80. That is pretty cheap compared to most HOAs. My guess is that nothing is binding, if they didn't also assent to and sign the restrictive covenants prior to purchase. Gene, It is good that you don't live in a community with HOA and restrictive covenants, because you probably would be very surprised how incorrect your guess is. Either I didn't make myself clear or you guys need to read again for content..... (1) I wouldn't buy a property that came with a deed restriction and (2) my position was that NO agreement is binding unless you sign indicating assent. Check your mortgage paperwork and you will find that you have a copy of some sort of protective or restrictive covenant or CC&R, designed by the developer, that gave the HOA the power to tax you and determine how you will use your property. You will probably, also, find a rider on your deed that says you are aware of the covenant and will abide by its restrictions (which include all of its penalties). You signed all that didn't you? I still feel that if you didn't sign the paperwork covering the deed restriction.... you are not bound by what you didn't agree to.... (of course that means you probably (wisely) walked away from the deal). PS Reference #1 above: there are plenty of recorded cases where the HOA bankrupted landowners over some trivial item (though one agreed to). I just don't lean into left hooks when I can see them coming. I try not to sign optional documents that restrict my rights..... -- Grady-White Gulfstream, out of Oak Island, NC. Homepage http://pamandgene.idleplay.net/ Rec.boats at Lee Yeaton's Bayguide http://www.thebayguide.com/rec.boats ----------------- www.Newsgroup-Binaries.com - *Completion*Retention*Speed* Access your favorite newsgroups from home or on the road ----------------- |
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