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Clams Canino[_2_] August 24th 07 06:50 AM

Homeowner's Associations suck!
 

wrote in message
...
I would agree with all of this except for one problem. It's not his
house. He's just an invited guest. The girlfriend is the one that'll
wind up on the hot seat when things escalate. I don't think I'd want
to put someone else in that position be it girlfriend, platonic
friend, family, or anyone else.

But don't sell the boat. There's bound to be another way.


Don't assume she won't go to bat for him (and the Boat if she loves it too).
Fact is you can still do whatever you want based on the net reaction time of
your foes. As someone else said: By the time they can properly react to
the dreaded boat being serviced.... it's already gone. And the ****er is,
you give them the credit for "being right" - so you took it out.

Then do it again - and again - making sure they win every single battle and
still loose the war.

-W

(Just grow a pair, and use them as Squeak Toys)








[email protected] August 24th 07 07:37 AM

Homeowner's Associations suck!
 
"Clams Canino" wrote:
Don't assume she won't go to bat for him


I haven't assumed that. But she's the one with the say so in this
whole thing and we haven't heard from her. All we can do is offer the
boyfriend advice and it's not his house.

Fact is you can still do whatever you want


Of course you can. If you're willing to put your girlfriend at risk
while risking zip zero nada yourself.

By the time they can properly react to
the dreaded boat being serviced.... it's already gone.


And you hope that's the end of it, for the girlfriend's sake. And if
by some wild chance you're wrong, it's no skin off the boyfriend's
nose, and to hell with the girlfriend.

And the ****er is,
you give them the credit for "being right" - so you took it out.


I said they (HOA) were right?? Excuse meeee??? I have no more clue
who's right than you do. All I know is this whole thing is between the
HOA and the girlfriend. The boyfriend isn't on the deed, doesn't pay
the mortgage, the taxes, the insurance, doesn't even live there, and
he has NO standing whatsoever with the HOA. To argue with them, he's
GOT to put his girlfriend in the middle.

Then do it again - and again - making sure they win every single battle and
still loose the war.


Good luck

(Just grow a pair, and use them as Squeak Toys)


Apparently, I'm not the one that's missing a pair. So you would allow
your girlfriend to accept 100% of the risk for YOUR 100% benefit?

Rick

BAR August 24th 07 12:49 PM

Homeowner's Associations suck!
 
John H. wrote:
On Thu, 23 Aug 2007 20:41:31 -0400, BAR wrote:

Gene Kearns wrote:
On Thu, 23 Aug 2007 07:27:57 -0400, BAR penned the following well
considered thoughts to the readers of rec.boats:

No, it really is all about the resale value. When you drive through my
neighborhood you see that every yard is clean and well kept, the paint
is not peeling off the trim, the garage doors all work and look good.
There are no paved over front yards, although one or two owners would do
it if they could, and houses sell rather quickly with deals that don't
fall through at the closing table.
None of the properties I own have a deed restriction. All of them
sound like your description.... except I can't conceive of a paved
yard.... we have real lawns.

In the Wash. DC area it is becoming a real problem. Somebody buys the
house next door and rents individual rooms and to accomodate all of the
cars the front yard is paved over, removing the need for lawn maintenance.

One neighboring house that just sold was never even listed. It sold
within an hour, the morning it went on the market.

How did it go "on the market?" Usually real estate agents delay the
posting of the listing trying to get the sale themselves or keeping it
with the brokerage family.

Apparently, there are many exceptions to your rule!

All over the country.


Going to Bowling Green Country Club today. Might try to get in 36 holes.
This is where I broke 100 the first time, only to read later that is a
course designed to improve your self esteem!


Hit'em straight and only 1-putt.

When are you going to invite me to play the Medal of Honor course with
you at Quantico?

We'll cross the Shenandoah River, and I'll think of Harry getting in his
canoeing practice. (Boating related, don'cha'no)


John H. August 24th 07 01:23 PM

Homeowner's Associations suck!
 
On Thu, 23 Aug 2007 20:41:31 -0400, BAR wrote:

Gene Kearns wrote:
On Thu, 23 Aug 2007 07:27:57 -0400, BAR penned the following well
considered thoughts to the readers of rec.boats:

No, it really is all about the resale value. When you drive through my
neighborhood you see that every yard is clean and well kept, the paint
is not peeling off the trim, the garage doors all work and look good.
There are no paved over front yards, although one or two owners would do
it if they could, and houses sell rather quickly with deals that don't
fall through at the closing table.


None of the properties I own have a deed restriction. All of them
sound like your description.... except I can't conceive of a paved
yard.... we have real lawns.


In the Wash. DC area it is becoming a real problem. Somebody buys the
house next door and rents individual rooms and to accomodate all of the
cars the front yard is paved over, removing the need for lawn maintenance.

One neighboring house that just sold was never even listed. It sold
within an hour, the morning it went on the market.


How did it go "on the market?" Usually real estate agents delay the
posting of the listing trying to get the sale themselves or keeping it
with the brokerage family.

Apparently, there are many exceptions to your rule!


All over the country.


Fairfax County passed a law prohibiting that practice. Now the cars get
parked in the yard. Saves on mowing the grass to meet the 10" height
maximum, don'cha'no.

The latest craze for some of the Mexicans moving in is to de-limb and top
the oak trees in the front yard, then they're left with a 25 foot stump,
which makes a great place to put your dish antenna to pick up the salsa
stations.


--
John H

John H. August 24th 07 01:35 PM

Homeowner's Associations suck!
 
On Thu, 23 Aug 2007 20:41:31 -0400, BAR wrote:

Gene Kearns wrote:
On Thu, 23 Aug 2007 07:27:57 -0400, BAR penned the following well
considered thoughts to the readers of rec.boats:

No, it really is all about the resale value. When you drive through my
neighborhood you see that every yard is clean and well kept, the paint
is not peeling off the trim, the garage doors all work and look good.
There are no paved over front yards, although one or two owners would do
it if they could, and houses sell rather quickly with deals that don't
fall through at the closing table.


None of the properties I own have a deed restriction. All of them
sound like your description.... except I can't conceive of a paved
yard.... we have real lawns.


In the Wash. DC area it is becoming a real problem. Somebody buys the
house next door and rents individual rooms and to accomodate all of the
cars the front yard is paved over, removing the need for lawn maintenance.

One neighboring house that just sold was never even listed. It sold
within an hour, the morning it went on the market.


How did it go "on the market?" Usually real estate agents delay the
posting of the listing trying to get the sale themselves or keeping it
with the brokerage family.

Apparently, there are many exceptions to your rule!


All over the country.


Going to Bowling Green Country Club today. Might try to get in 36 holes.
This is where I broke 100 the first time, only to read later that is a
course designed to improve your self esteem!

We'll cross the Shenandoah River, and I'll think of Harry getting in his
canoeing practice. (Boating related, don'cha'no)
--
John H

Don White August 24th 07 03:10 PM

Homeowner's Associations suck!
 

"John H." wrote in message
...

The latest craze for some of the Mexicans moving in is to de-limb and top
the oak trees in the front yard, then they're left with a 25 foot stump,
which makes a great place to put your dish antenna to pick up the salsa
stations.


--
John H


Now that is something to get riled up about.
Where's 'Johnny Appleseed' when you need him?



NetCop[_2_] August 24th 07 05:32 PM

Homeowner's Associations suck!
 

"Harry Krause" wrote in message
...
Don White wrote:
"John H." wrote in message
...
The latest craze for some of the Mexicans moving in is to de-limb and
top
the oak trees in the front yard, then they're left with a 25 foot stump,
which makes a great place to put your dish antenna to pick up the salsa
stations.


--
John H


Now that is something to get riled up about.
Where's 'Johnny Appleseed' when you need him?



What's that smell emanating from Herring...smells like...racism. Remember
when he whined about the black people he was "forced" to teach when he was
a sub teacher?

Too bad South Africa ended apartheid. If it hadn't, our boy Herring could
have moved there.


That from the man(?) that posted the following:

From: HK
Newsgroups: rec.boats
Subject: OT: ER
Date: Wed, 04 Jul 2007 22:29:13 -0400


snip

Gawd, I hope it is President Hillary. No other Democrat will cause so
many hard-core Republicans to put bullets through their brains. Delicious.



John H. August 24th 07 09:41 PM

Homeowner's Associations suck!
 
On Fri, 24 Aug 2007 07:49:48 -0400, BAR wrote:



Going to Bowling Green Country Club today. Might try to get in 36 holes.
This is where I broke 100 the first time, only to read later that is a
course designed to improve your self esteem!


Hit'em straight and only 1-putt.

When are you going to invite me to play the Medal of Honor course with
you at Quantico?

Well, crap, I hit too many three and four putts. Shot an even 100.

As for Quantico, how about Thursday, 30 Aug. Tee time to be determined, but
I'll try for somewhere between 8 and 8:30. Quantico will let me make a tee
time only 48 hours in advance, 'cause I'm not a member. They shouldn't be
too busy, hopefully.

Send me an email with a phone number, use jherring at cox dot net.
--
John H

John H. August 24th 07 09:43 PM

Homeowner's Associations suck!
 
On Fri, 24 Aug 2007 11:10:19 -0300, "Don White"
wrote:


"John H." wrote in message
.. .

The latest craze for some of the Mexicans moving in is to de-limb and top
the oak trees in the front yard, then they're left with a 25 foot stump,
which makes a great place to put your dish antenna to pick up the salsa
stations.


--
John H


Now that is something to get riled up about.
Where's 'Johnny Appleseed' when you need him?


Apple trees wouldn't grow high enough for a dish antenna.

Did you ask your mom for some boat advice?
--
John H

John H. August 24th 07 09:46 PM

Homeowner's Associations suck!
 
On Fri, 24 Aug 2007 13:19:39 -0400, Harry Krause
wrote:

NetCop wrote:
"Harry Krause" wrote in message
...
Don White wrote:
"John H." wrote in message
...
The latest craze for some of the Mexicans moving in is to de-limb and
top
the oak trees in the front yard, then they're left with a 25 foot stump,
which makes a great place to put your dish antenna to pick up the salsa
stations.


--
John H
Now that is something to get riled up about.
Where's 'Johnny Appleseed' when you need him?

What's that smell emanating from Herring...smells like...racism. Remember
when he whined about the black people he was "forced" to teach when he was
a sub teacher?

Too bad South Africa ended apartheid. If it hadn't, our boy Herring could
have moved there.


That from the man(?) that posted the following:

From: HK
Newsgroups: rec.boats
Subject: OT: ER
Date: Wed, 04 Jul 2007 22:29:13 -0400


snip

Gawd, I hope it is President Hillary. No other Democrat will cause so
many hard-core Republicans to put bullets through their brains. Delicious.




Sorry, but there's nothing racist about that remark.


Nor were my comments racist. They were facts. The fact is that the folks
doing this in the neighborhood are Mexicans. If they were Jewish Europeans,
Indians, WASPs, or simply liars, the facts would still exist.

But, thanks for mentioning my name, Harry, it was an honor as usual. I
personally don't think you're the scum that some here make you out to be.
--
John H

BAR August 25th 07 12:02 AM

Homeowner's Associations suck!
 
John H. wrote:
On Fri, 24 Aug 2007 07:49:48 -0400, BAR wrote:


Going to Bowling Green Country Club today. Might try to get in 36 holes.
This is where I broke 100 the first time, only to read later that is a
course designed to improve your self esteem!

Hit'em straight and only 1-putt.

When are you going to invite me to play the Medal of Honor course with
you at Quantico?

Well, crap, I hit too many three and four putts. Shot an even 100.

As for Quantico, how about Thursday, 30 Aug. Tee time to be determined, but
I'll try for somewhere between 8 and 8:30. Quantico will let me make a tee
time only 48 hours in advance, 'cause I'm not a member. They shouldn't be
too busy, hopefully.


I am taking off on Wednesday, my birthday, I don't think the boss would
let me have two days off in a row.

Send me an email with a phone number, use jherring at cox dot net.


On the way!

John H. August 25th 07 01:46 AM

Homeowner's Associations suck!
 
On Fri, 24 Aug 2007 19:02:32 -0400, BAR wrote:

John H. wrote:
On Fri, 24 Aug 2007 07:49:48 -0400, BAR wrote:


Going to Bowling Green Country Club today. Might try to get in 36 holes.
This is where I broke 100 the first time, only to read later that is a
course designed to improve your self esteem!
Hit'em straight and only 1-putt.

When are you going to invite me to play the Medal of Honor course with
you at Quantico?

Well, crap, I hit too many three and four putts. Shot an even 100.

As for Quantico, how about Thursday, 30 Aug. Tee time to be determined, but
I'll try for somewhere between 8 and 8:30. Quantico will let me make a tee
time only 48 hours in advance, 'cause I'm not a member. They shouldn't be
too busy, hopefully.


I am taking off on Wednesday, my birthday, I don't think the boss would
let me have two days off in a row.

Send me an email with a phone number, use jherring at cox dot net.


On the way!


Can't do it Wednesday, already committed. I'd think a nice day at Quantico
would be a good birthday present! Change days!
--
John H

Don White August 25th 07 02:34 AM

Homeowner's Associations suck!
 

"John H." wrote in message
...
On Fri, 24 Aug 2007 19:02:32 -0400, BAR wrote:

John H. wrote:
On Fri, 24 Aug 2007 07:49:48 -0400, BAR wrote:


Going to Bowling Green Country Club today. Might try to get in 36
holes.
This is where I broke 100 the first time, only to read later that is a
course designed to improve your self esteem!
Hit'em straight and only 1-putt.

When are you going to invite me to play the Medal of Honor course with
you at Quantico?

Well, crap, I hit too many three and four putts. Shot an even 100.

As for Quantico, how about Thursday, 30 Aug. Tee time to be determined,
but
I'll try for somewhere between 8 and 8:30. Quantico will let me make a
tee
time only 48 hours in advance, 'cause I'm not a member. They shouldn't
be
too busy, hopefully.


I am taking off on Wednesday, my birthday, I don't think the boss would
let me have two days off in a row.

Send me an email with a phone number, use jherring at cox dot net.


On the way!


Can't do it Wednesday, already committed. I'd think a nice day at Quantico
would be a good birthday present! Change days!
--
John H



Good grief! Why don't you take your matchmaking to alt.lifestyles



Clams Canino[_2_] August 25th 07 05:47 AM

Homeowner's Associations suck!
 

wrote in message

Then do it again - and again - making sure they win every single battle
and
still loose the war.


Good luck


I take it that you're not the type to "fight city hall" or " throw tea in
the water" iether???

(Just grow a pair, and use them as Squeak Toys)


Apparently, I'm not the one that's missing a pair. So you would allow
your girlfriend to accept 100% of the risk for YOUR 100% benefit?


I'm *assuming* that since they're together for a while now, that they might
even have a common purpose. And as far as I see it, she's only at the *risk*
of listening to some ****ant weenie scream. Personally, I find that to be a
joyous sound.... EG

-W



[email protected] August 25th 07 07:18 AM

Homeowner's Associations suck!
 
"Clams Canino" wrote:
I take it that you're not the type to "fight city hall" or " throw tea in
the water" iether???


You would be very wrong.
I just wouldn't ask my girlfriend to fight for me.

I'm *assuming* that since they're together for a while now, that they might
even have a common purpose.


They might. And he might be willing to shoulder the entire financial
risk, which could be substantial. But I didn't see any offer of that.

And as far as I see it, she's only at the *risk*
of listening to some ****ant weenie scream.


Generally, covenants are written to give the HOA teeth for
enforcement. They won't need to scream. Her risk could mean anything
from a slap on the wrist type fine to legal fees and a court fight (a
court in which she would be on her own since her boyfriend would have
no standing there either) that she may win or lose. But even if she
wins, she loses. Those things cost time and money.
Point being, some battle are worth fighting and some aren't.

I'll say it again. I wouldn't put a girlfriend at risk for me like
that.

If you would, fine.

But the OP was just asking for opinions and I think he has enough now
to consider. I'm sure he can sort it out.

Rick ------ on to the next thread

Reginald P. Smithers III August 25th 07 11:16 AM

Homeowner's Associations suck!
 
Clams Canino wrote:
wrote in message

Then do it again - and again - making sure they win every single battle
and
still loose the war.

Good luck


I take it that you're not the type to "fight city hall" or " throw tea in
the water" iether???

(Just grow a pair, and use them as Squeak Toys)

Apparently, I'm not the one that's missing a pair. So you would allow
your girlfriend to accept 100% of the risk for YOUR 100% benefit?


I'm *assuming* that since they're together for a while now, that they might
even have a common purpose. And as far as I see it, she's only at the *risk*
of listening to some ****ant weenie scream. Personally, I find that to be a
joyous sound.... EG

-W


Normally HOA can use legally use "fines" for repeat violation of rules.
The fines can either be enforced by a visit to small claims or just by
placing a lein on the property.

Don White August 25th 07 12:40 PM

Homeowner's Associations suck!
 

"John H." wrote in message
...
snip.
Did you ever ask your mom for advice on your boating problem?

snip.. --
John H



Just what "boating problem" would that be???



John H. August 25th 07 01:04 PM

Homeowner's Associations suck!
 
On Fri, 24 Aug 2007 22:34:06 -0300, "Don White"
wrote:



Good grief! Why don't you take your matchmaking to alt.lifestyles


Would you be happier if we were calling each other 'asshole' or 'sack of
****'. I've not noticed any comments from you when those messages appear.

Yesterday I responded to an accusation that I was using your mother to
return jabs, or some such nonsense. You ignored that, looking for a way to
make another jab.

Did you ever ask your mom for advice on your boating problem? Have you
taken her out to eat lately?
--
John H

John H. August 25th 07 01:08 PM

Homeowner's Associations suck!
 
On Fri, 24 Aug 2007 21:42:33 -0400, "JimH" ask wrote:


"Don White" wrote in message
.. .

"John H." wrote in message
...
On Fri, 24 Aug 2007 19:02:32 -0400, BAR wrote:

John H. wrote:
On Fri, 24 Aug 2007 07:49:48 -0400, BAR wrote:


Going to Bowling Green Country Club today. Might try to get in 36
holes.
This is where I broke 100 the first time, only to read later that is
a
course designed to improve your self esteem!
Hit'em straight and only 1-putt.

When are you going to invite me to play the Medal of Honor course with
you at Quantico?

Well, crap, I hit too many three and four putts. Shot an even 100.

As for Quantico, how about Thursday, 30 Aug. Tee time to be determined,
but
I'll try for somewhere between 8 and 8:30. Quantico will let me make a
tee
time only 48 hours in advance, 'cause I'm not a member. They shouldn't
be
too busy, hopefully.

I am taking off on Wednesday, my birthday, I don't think the boss would
let me have two days off in a row.

Send me an email with a phone number, use jherring at cox dot net.

On the way!

Can't do it Wednesday, already committed. I'd think a nice day at
Quantico
would be a good birthday present! Change days!
--
John H



Good grief! Why don't you take your matchmaking to alt.lifestyles


Maybe John is planning to use his famous butt rub recipe. ;-)


Hi again, Jim. I've already responded to your earlier message. How's your
wife's health problem? You've discussed getting a bigger boat, is she able
to get in and out much better now?
--
John H

John H. August 25th 07 02:05 PM

Homeowner's Associations suck!
 
On Sat, 25 Aug 2007 08:40:48 -0300, "Don White"
wrote:


"John H." wrote in message
.. .
snip.
Did you ever ask your mom for advice on your boating problem?

snip.. --
John H



Just what "boating problem" would that be???


The one you were talking about last week.
--
John H

John H. August 25th 07 02:06 PM

Homeowner's Associations suck!
 
On Sat, 25 Aug 2007 07:49:16 -0400, Harry Krause
wrote:

Don White wrote:
"John H." wrote in message
...
snip.
Did you ever ask your mom for advice on your boating problem?

snip.. --
John H



Just what "boating problem" would that be???



You're just encouraging the dipstick, Don


Encouraging what, Harry? A normal conversation without name-calling?
--
John H

BAR August 25th 07 02:34 PM

Homeowner's Associations suck!
 
Don White wrote:
"John H." wrote in message
...
On Fri, 24 Aug 2007 19:02:32 -0400, BAR wrote:

John H. wrote:
On Fri, 24 Aug 2007 07:49:48 -0400, BAR wrote:


Going to Bowling Green Country Club today. Might try to get in 36
holes.
This is where I broke 100 the first time, only to read later that is a
course designed to improve your self esteem!
Hit'em straight and only 1-putt.

When are you going to invite me to play the Medal of Honor course with
you at Quantico?

Well, crap, I hit too many three and four putts. Shot an even 100.

As for Quantico, how about Thursday, 30 Aug. Tee time to be determined,
but
I'll try for somewhere between 8 and 8:30. Quantico will let me make a
tee
time only 48 hours in advance, 'cause I'm not a member. They shouldn't
be
too busy, hopefully.
I am taking off on Wednesday, my birthday, I don't think the boss would
let me have two days off in a row.

Send me an email with a phone number, use jherring at cox dot net.
On the way!

Can't do it Wednesday, already committed. I'd think a nice day at Quantico
would be a good birthday present! Change days!
--
John H



Good grief! Why don't you take your matchmaking to alt.lifestyles



What is alt.lifestyles Don? You sound very familiar with its content.

[email protected] August 25th 07 02:34 PM

Homeowner's Associations suck!
 
"Reginald P. Smithers III" wrote:
or just by
placing a lein on the property.


aarrgghh!! ... Gawd I hate it when they do that.

[email protected] August 25th 07 05:50 PM

Homeowner's Associations suck!
 
gfretwell wrote:
You end up spending more money trying
to collect the fine than you get. In my condo we ended up being sued
by the bank who held the mortgage to stop us from trying to get a
taste of the scraps left on the table when the units went over.


Yep. So everybody loses (except the boyfriend who by now has a new
girlfriend with waterfront property, a boathouse, and a lift).
But the "rules" were enforced and that's what the neighbors paid for
and expect from an HOA when they invested in their property.

I still think a Yacht Club is Bob's best option. Otherwise, a storage
facility designed more for boats than what he has now. There's bound
to be something around somewhere that'll work.

Rick

Reginald P. Smithers III August 25th 07 05:53 PM

Homeowner's Associations suck!
 
wrote:
On Sat, 25 Aug 2007 06:16:02 -0400, "Reginald P. Smithers III"
wrote:

Normally HOA can use legally use "fines" for repeat violation of rules.
The fines can either be enforced by a visit to small claims or just by
placing a lein on the property.


From my experience as past president of two HOAs that is really not
particularly effective against your typical "worst offenders".
They ignore the judgements and the real deadbeats are usually upside
down on their mortgage anyway. You end up spending more money trying
to collect the fine than you get. In my condo we ended up being sued
by the bank who held the mortgage to stop us from trying to get a
taste of the scraps left on the table when the units went over.


Don't know if the problem is with your state laws, or your management
company, or your BOD's, but in my state when you take someone to court
for past due fees or judgments the person is responsible for not only
all past due fees, 10% late fee charges, all fines, but ALL attorney
fees. Normally the attorney fees jump up to %5,000 very quickly. Our
attorney has a 100% success ratio with collecting the fees, extremely
quickly. In our state the Condo HOA can actually institute foreclosure
proceedings for past due fees, which always resolves the problem, but
the homeowner is still responsible for attorney fees. Our attorney
works on retainer, doesn't charge us anything to handle any collection.

Now if your condo has a high percent of people who are upside down in
their mortgage, it is time to sell and move.


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