I posted earlier this year....Rebuilt the cars, new plugs and fresh
gas, it was running well until last week.
At WOT it was dying and would stall. I found that when I pumped the
fuel line bulb, it would run fine. Since then I have put in the VRO
rebuild kit ( Diaphragms ) . The vacuum line seems to have proper
suction, I even bought a new OMC line to go from the tanks to the
engine. I have the problem with both tanks, so ,
I don't think it's the tanks, or the line to the engine. Really at
this point, I'm not sure where else to look! I'll be replacing all the
gas lines in the engine first. The only thing I can think of is maybe
there's something else in the fuel pump I've overlooked. After all
this, I hope I don't need a whole new VRO pump! Already spent $150 for
kit and lines!!
Any help would be great, thanks!!

On Fri, 03 Aug 2007 20:53:20 -0700, wrote:

Any help would be great, thanks!!

Heh - this is going to sound strange, but try a new hose from the tank
to the engine first.

The primer bulb on the hose may be loosing pressure.

On Sat, 04 Aug 2007 10:03:23 GMT, Short Wave Sportfishing
wrote:

On Fri, 03 Aug 2007 20:53:20 -0700, wrote:

Any help would be great, thanks!!

Heh - this is going to sound strange, but try a new hose from the tank
to the engine first.

The primer bulb on the hose may be loosing pressure.

Losing - losing pressure.

My bad.

wrote:
I posted earlier this year....Rebuilt the cars, new plugs and fresh
gas, it was running well until last week.
At WOT it was dying and would stall. I found that when I pumped the
fuel line bulb, it would run fine. Since then I have put in the VRO
rebuild kit ( Diaphragms ) . The vacuum line seems to have proper
suction, I even bought a new OMC line to go from the tanks to the
engine. I have the problem with both tanks, so ,
I don't think it's the tanks, or the line to the engine. Really at
this point, I'm not sure where else to look! I'll be replacing all the
gas lines in the engine first. The only thing I can think of is maybe
there's something else in the fuel pump I've overlooked. After all
this, I hope I don't need a whole new VRO pump! Already spent $150 for
kit and lines!!
Any help would be great, thanks!!


Make sure you put 50:1 in the fuel tank, don't rely upon the VRO even
more so if you even remotely suspect the fuel pump; or more generally in
an older engine.

You've done the fuel pump you say?? so if the problem persists but then
comes good when you squeeze the bulb check;

(1) Before you outright replace the fuel line, particularly the
connections (both ends). If it's a plug fitted line, the small "O"ring
seals leak & allow air to bleed in.

(ii) The fuel tank(s) has a one way valve in the outlet which can get
blocked &

(iii) The air vent into the fuel tank might be blocked (partially it has
a very fine anti spark gauze in it)


K

the VRO wires on this are not connected, all I've ever done was mix
50/1 myself. Today I took the pump apart again, the diaphragms were
not tightened properly, this time, by turning each side of the pump, I
tightened them right up. I think that may have been the problem!! I
hope so anyway.
I also replaced the lines from the crankcase and to the fuel filter
and pump.
I'll be testing it all tomorrow, if I stil have the problem, it has
to be the tank.

wrote:
the VRO wires on this are not connected, all I've ever done was mix
50/1 myself. Today I took the pump apart again, the diaphragms were
not tightened properly, this time, by turning each side of the pump, I
tightened them right up. I think that may have been the problem!! I
hope so anyway.
I also replaced the lines from the crankcase and to the fuel filter
and pump.
I'll be testing it all tomorrow, if I stil have the problem, it has
to be the tank.



Good luck!!!

K

K. Smith wrote:
wrote:
the VRO wires on this are not connected, all I've ever done was mix
50/1 myself. Today I took the pump apart again, the diaphragms were
not tightened properly, this time, by turning each side of the pump, I
tightened them right up. I think that may have been the problem!! I
hope so anyway.
I also replaced the lines from the crankcase and to the fuel filter
and pump.
I'll be testing it all tomorrow, if I stil have the problem, it has
to be the tank.



Good luck!!!

K


Upon re-reading, maybe you can take another look at that?? if all you've
done is disconnect the VRO alarm wires, but left the oil plumbing itself
in place??? that can also be a source of air getting into the fuel delivery.

That's the design issue with the VRO, all that separates the oil from
the fuel is an "O" ring on the plunger, so once that "O" ring leaks then
fuel can back flow into & dilute the oil, or if there is no oil there
(as might be the case with your system) then it will suck air into the fuel.

If the VRO is no longer needed make sure the oil supply line is properly
plugged so it can't deliver air instead of oil.

Apologies for the extra post:-)

K

Thanks, the oil line was plugged properly. I even changed that line
and put in a new plug. Today I tested it all out....
New lines, new diaphragms, new bulb/hose assembly. Same problem. Just
can't suck gas at anything other than at idle.
At first I had the vacuum line and gas supply lines swapped by
mistake and I noticed gas leaking from the larger diaphragm side. This
leads me to believe there must be an air leak in the fuel pump housing
itself. Both tanks have the same issue, and are clean and not very
old, so I don't think it's them. When I pump the bulb by hand, I can
do full speed.
I just hate to buy a new VRO for $350 and find out I still have this
problem. I don't use the VRO part anyway. It would be a huge help if
someone could let me know if I can just retrofit a different type of
Johnson fuel pump. All the others are so much cheaper, simpler and
probably more reliable!!
What I may try next is putting some gasket material around the parts
of my pump to see if that helps.
Could it be something in the crankcase? I can feel the suction from
the vacuum line, it's a pulsating suction, should it be constant? I
think it's normal anyway. Thanks for the help, I miss having a usable
boat and can't wait to get back out again.