"HK" wrote in message
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JimH wrote:
"Wayne.B" wrote in message
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On Thu, 2 Aug 2007 20:33:44 -0400, "JimH" ask wrote:

Perhaps this thread can result in some unbiased reviews based on
experiences
with the Ford F-150, Chevy Silveraldo and Toyota Tundra.
Let's put it this way, if you want my Tundra you will have to pry it
out of my cold dead hands.

It's a great truck - rides well, quiet, nicely finished, reliable,
half-way decent fuel economy (for a V8 gas truck).

I just read the Sept. '07 Consumers Reports and they did a review on
pickup trucks.

Their comments:

Toyota Tundra
Highs - Powertrain, telescoping steering wheel, standard ESC, towing,
tailgate
Lows - Ride, visibility, braking, long reach to some contros, ESC
disengaing in 4WD.
Black marks - Emergency handling, braking
Base price $31,160
As tested $34,738 w/ SR5 trim line, 5.7 liter V-8, 6 speed automatic 4WD


Chevy Silverado 1500
Highs - Ride, access, ESC, selectable full-time 4WD, powertrain,
payload/towing capability
Lows - Braking, turning circle, ride
Black marks - Emergency handling, braking
Base price $34,940
As tested $37,235 w/LT trim line, 5.3 liter vV-8, 4 speed automatic, 4WD

Ford F-150
Highs - Cargo space, payload/towing capability, rear seat space
Lows - Braking, ride, front-seat comfort, handling, acceleration, turning
circle, engine noise, no full-time 4WD or ESC, reliability
Black marks - Emergency handling, braking, ride, rear crash test
Base price $32,565
As tested $36,705 w/XLT trim line, 5.4 liter V-8, 4 speed automatic , 4WD

Dodge Ram 1500
Highs - Acceleration, full-time 4WD, available ESC, towing capability,
rear seat space
Lows - Braking, ride, seat comfort, fit and finish, handling,
acceleration, turning circle
Black marks - Emergency handling, braking, ride, rear seat comfort,
access, rear crash test
Base price $31,220
As tested $38,370 w/SLT trim line, 5.7 liter V-8, 5 speed automatic, 4WD.

Their pick - Toyota Tundra

I have to admit that Consumer Reports has a thing for Toyotas as they are
always recommended by them.




What's ESC?


Electronic Stability Control


BTW, I owned a ford f150 (modern style, with the V8), and a recent vintage
tundra. The ford was fine, but the tundra was far more refined.


That is what I am now learning.

On Fri, 3 Aug 2007 17:30:10 -0400, "JimH" ask wrote:


"Wayne.B" wrote in message
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On Thu, 2 Aug 2007 20:33:44 -0400, "JimH" ask wrote:

Perhaps this thread can result in some unbiased reviews based on
experiences
with the Ford F-150, Chevy Silveraldo and Toyota Tundra.

Let's put it this way, if you want my Tundra you will have to pry it
out of my cold dead hands.

It's a great truck - rides well, quiet, nicely finished, reliable,
half-way decent fuel economy (for a V8 gas truck).

I just read the Sept. '07 Consumers Reports and they did a review on pickup
trucks.

Their comments:

Toyota Tundra
Highs - Powertrain, telescoping steering wheel, standard ESC, towing,
tailgate
Lows - Ride, visibility, braking, long reach to some contros, ESC disengaing
in 4WD.
Black marks - Emergency handling, braking
Base price $31,160
As tested $34,738 w/ SR5 trim line, 5.7 liter V-8, 6 speed automatic 4WD


Chevy Silverado 1500
Highs - Ride, access, ESC, selectable full-time 4WD, powertrain,
payload/towing capability
Lows - Braking, turning circle, ride
Black marks - Emergency handling, braking
Base price $34,940
As tested $37,235 w/LT trim line, 5.3 liter vV-8, 4 speed automatic, 4WD

Ford F-150
Highs - Cargo space, payload/towing capability, rear seat space
Lows - Braking, ride, front-seat comfort, handling, acceleration, turning
circle, engine noise, no full-time 4WD or ESC, reliability
Black marks - Emergency handling, braking, ride, rear crash test
Base price $32,565
As tested $36,705 w/XLT trim line, 5.4 liter V-8, 4 speed automatic , 4WD

Dodge Ram 1500
Highs - Acceleration, full-time 4WD, available ESC, towing capability, rear
seat space
Lows - Braking, ride, seat comfort, fit and finish, handling, acceleration,
turning circle
Black marks - Emergency handling, braking, ride, rear seat comfort, access,
rear crash test
Base price $31,220
As tested $38,370 w/SLT trim line, 5.7 liter V-8, 5 speed automatic, 4WD.

Their pick - Toyota Tundra

I have to admit that Consumer Reports has a thing for Toyotas as they are
always recommended by them.


But in the crew cab size, the Chevy Avalanche wins first place, with the
Tundra second. Doesn't sound like Toyota 'always' wins.
--
John H

"JimH" ask wrote in message
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"Wayne.B" wrote in message
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On Thu, 2 Aug 2007 20:33:44 -0400, "JimH" ask wrote:

Perhaps this thread can result in some unbiased reviews based on
experiences
with the Ford F-150, Chevy Silveraldo and Toyota Tundra.

Let's put it this way, if you want my Tundra you will have to pry it
out of my cold dead hands.

It's a great truck - rides well, quiet, nicely finished, reliable,
half-way decent fuel economy (for a V8 gas truck).

I just read the Sept. '07 Consumers Reports and they did a review on
pickup trucks.

Their comments:

Toyota Tundra
Highs - Powertrain, telescoping steering wheel, standard ESC, towing,
tailgate
Lows - Ride, visibility, braking, long reach to some contros, ESC
disengaing in 4WD.
Black marks - Emergency handling, braking
Base price $31,160
As tested $34,738 w/ SR5 trim line, 5.7 liter V-8, 6 speed automatic 4WD


Chevy Silverado 1500
Highs - Ride, access, ESC, selectable full-time 4WD, powertrain,
payload/towing capability
Lows - Braking, turning circle, ride
Black marks - Emergency handling, braking
Base price $34,940
As tested $37,235 w/LT trim line, 5.3 liter vV-8, 4 speed automatic, 4WD

Ford F-150
Highs - Cargo space, payload/towing capability, rear seat space
Lows - Braking, ride, front-seat comfort, handling, acceleration, turning
circle, engine noise, no full-time 4WD or ESC, reliability
Black marks - Emergency handling, braking, ride, rear crash test
Base price $32,565
As tested $36,705 w/XLT trim line, 5.4 liter V-8, 4 speed automatic , 4WD

Dodge Ram 1500
Highs - Acceleration, full-time 4WD, available ESC, towing capability,
rear seat space
Lows - Braking, ride, seat comfort, fit and finish, handling,
acceleration, turning circle
Black marks - Emergency handling, braking, ride, rear seat comfort,
access, rear crash test
Base price $31,220
As tested $38,370 w/SLT trim line, 5.7 liter V-8, 5 speed automatic, 4WD.

Their pick - Toyota Tundra

I have to admit that Consumer Reports has a thing for Toyotas as they are
always recommended by them.



Hmmm. Not taking sides but this post seems to shut down the Ford fans.
;-)

On Fri, 3 Aug 2007 17:30:10 -0400, "JimH" ask wrote:

I have to admit that Consumer Reports has a thing for Toyotas as they are
always recommended by them.

Mrs. Wave bought a Subaru station wagon (against my wishes I might
add) based on Consumer Reports. She felt it was safer.

One day she's driving along at 30 mph on Thompson Dam Road when a two
kids who stole a 125 Honda dirt bike shot out from a ditch and she hit
the bike broadside.

End result - $6,280 worth of damage to the Subaru - totaled. The
owner of the dirt bike showed up after a call from the SP, picked the
bike up off the ground, started it and drove away.

So much for Consumer Reports.

On Sun, 05 Aug 2007 01:17:28 GMT, Short Wave Sportfishing
wrote:

On Fri, 3 Aug 2007 17:30:10 -0400, "JimH" ask wrote:

I have to admit that Consumer Reports has a thing for Toyotas as they are
always recommended by them.

Mrs. Wave bought a Subaru station wagon (against my wishes I might
add) based on Consumer Reports. She felt it was safer.

One day she's driving along at 30 mph on Thompson Dam Road when a two
kids who stole a 125 Honda dirt bike shot out from a ditch and she hit
the bike broadside.

End result - $6,280 worth of damage to the Subaru - totaled. The
owner of the dirt bike showed up after a call from the SP, picked the
bike up off the ground, started it and drove away.

So much for Consumer Reports.

How did your wife fare? If she wasn't hurt, then the car must have been
fairly safe. Good decision on her part.
--
John H

On Aug 4, 10:47 pm, John H. wrote:
On Sun, 05 Aug 2007 01:17:28 GMT, Short Wave Sportfishing





wrote:
On Fri, 3 Aug 2007 17:30:10 -0400, "JimH" ask wrote:

I have to admit that Consumer Reports has a thing for Toyotas as they are
always recommended by them.

Mrs. Wave bought a Subaru station wagon (against my wishes I might
add) based on Consumer Reports. She felt it was safer.

One day she's driving along at 30 mph on Thompson Dam Road when a two
kids who stole a 125 Honda dirt bike shot out from a ditch and she hit
the bike broadside.

End result - $6,280 worth of damage to the Subaru - totaled. The
owner of the dirt bike showed up after a call from the SP, picked the
bike up off the ground, started it and drove away.

So much for Consumer Reports.

How did your wife fare? If she wasn't hurt, then the car must have been
fairly safe. Good decision on her part.

What, cause it barely survived an encounter with a 2-300 pound dirt
bike??

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John H- Hide quoted text -

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"Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message
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On Fri, 3 Aug 2007 17:30:10 -0400, "JimH" ask wrote:

I have to admit that Consumer Reports has a thing for Toyotas as they are
always recommended by them.

Mrs. Wave bought a Subaru station wagon (against my wishes I might
add) based on Consumer Reports. She felt it was safer.

One day she's driving along at 30 mph on Thompson Dam Road when a two
kids who stole a 125 Honda dirt bike shot out from a ditch and she hit
the bike broadside.

End result - $6,280 worth of damage to the Subaru - totaled. The
owner of the dirt bike showed up after a call from the SP, picked the
bike up off the ground, started it and drove away.

So much for Consumer Reports.


Hmmm.

JimH wrote:
"Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message
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On Fri, 3 Aug 2007 17:30:10 -0400, "JimH" ask wrote:

I have to admit that Consumer Reports has a thing for Toyotas as they are
always recommended by them.
Mrs. Wave bought a Subaru station wagon (against my wishes I might
add) based on Consumer Reports. She felt it was safer.

One day she's driving along at 30 mph on Thompson Dam Road when a two
kids who stole a 125 Honda dirt bike shot out from a ditch and she hit
the bike broadside.

End result - $6,280 worth of damage to the Subaru - totaled. The
owner of the dirt bike showed up after a call from the SP, picked the
bike up off the ground, started it and drove away.

So much for Consumer Reports.


Hmmm.



I'm not sure it means anything. Figure 150 pounds each for the kids, 200
pounds for the dirtbike. Maybe 500 pounds overall. Larger than most of
the deer that total cars or causes thousands in damage.

"HK" wrote in message
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JimH wrote:
"Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message
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On Fri, 3 Aug 2007 17:30:10 -0400, "JimH" ask wrote:

I have to admit that Consumer Reports has a thing for Toyotas as they
are
always recommended by them.
Mrs. Wave bought a Subaru station wagon (against my wishes I might
add) based on Consumer Reports. She felt it was safer.

One day she's driving along at 30 mph on Thompson Dam Road when a two
kids who stole a 125 Honda dirt bike shot out from a ditch and she hit
the bike broadside.

End result - $6,280 worth of damage to the Subaru - totaled. The
owner of the dirt bike showed up after a call from the SP, picked the
bike up off the ground, started it and drove away.

So much for Consumer Reports.


Hmmm.

I'm not sure it means anything. Figure 150 pounds each for the kids, 200
pounds for the dirtbike. Maybe 500 pounds overall. Larger than most of the
deer that total cars or causes thousands in damage.

The kids would be dead or severely injured and I doubt that a 200 pound
dirtbike would survive being hit broadside by an SUV traveling 30 mph. I
just don't believe the story.

On Aug 5, 9:06 am, "JimH" ask wrote:
"HK" wrote in message

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JimH wrote:
"Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message
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On Fri, 3 Aug 2007 17:30:10 -0400, "JimH" ask wrote:

I have to admit that Consumer Reports has a thing for Toyotas as they
are
always recommended by them.
Mrs. Wave bought a Subaru station wagon (against my wishes I might
add) based on Consumer Reports. She felt it was safer.

One day she's driving along at 30 mph on Thompson Dam Road when a two
kids who stole a 125 Honda dirt bike shot out from a ditch and she hit
the bike broadside.

End result - $6,280 worth of damage to the Subaru - totaled. The
owner of the dirt bike showed up after a call from the SP, picked the
bike up off the ground, started it and drove away.

So much for Consumer Reports.

Hmmm.

I'm not sure it means anything. Figure 150 pounds each for the kids, 200
pounds for the dirtbike. Maybe 500 pounds overall. Larger than most of the
deer that total cars or causes thousands in damage.

The kids would be dead or severely injured and I doubt that a 200 pound
dirtbike would survive being hit broadside by an SUV traveling 30 mph. I
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Wow, are you calling bull**** on Tom? But why would he lie, he may be
nuts, but he seems credible. Anyway to base your accusation on the
facts you stated above is bogus. I, and thousands of other people in
this country have been broadsided on a bike and walked away with
little more than roadburn. Actually, I have had crashes on the trail
and street that were worse. Dirt riders are quick and nimble too, also
very strong, if you can get that lee side leg up out of the way, it's
like wiping out at 30+ on a trail (or a corn field in my case),
totally survivable, no pads.