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On Aug 5, 9:06 am, "JimH" ask wrote:
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JimH wrote:
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On Fri, 3 Aug 2007 17:30:10 -0400, "JimH" ask wrote:

I have to admit that Consumer Reports has a thing for Toyotas as
they
are
always recommended by them.
Mrs. Wave bought a Subaru station wagon (against my wishes I might
add) based on Consumer Reports. She felt it was safer.

One day she's driving along at 30 mph on Thompson Dam Road when a two
kids who stole a 125 Honda dirt bike shot out from a ditch and she
hit
the bike broadside.

End result - $6,280 worth of damage to the Subaru - totaled. The
owner of the dirt bike showed up after a call from the SP, picked the
bike up off the ground, started it and drove away.

So much for Consumer Reports.

Hmmm.

I'm not sure it means anything. Figure 150 pounds each for the kids,
200
pounds for the dirtbike. Maybe 500 pounds overall. Larger than most of
the
deer that total cars or causes thousands in damage.

The kids would be dead or severely injured and I doubt that a 200 pound
dirtbike would survive being hit broadside by an SUV traveling 30 mph.
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Wow, are you calling bull**** on Tom?

Yes.

"JimH" ask wrote in message
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JimH wrote:
"Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message
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On Fri, 3 Aug 2007 17:30:10 -0400, "JimH" ask wrote:

I have to admit that Consumer Reports has a thing for Toyotas as they
are
always recommended by them.
Mrs. Wave bought a Subaru station wagon (against my wishes I might
add) based on Consumer Reports. She felt it was safer.

One day she's driving along at 30 mph on Thompson Dam Road when a two
kids who stole a 125 Honda dirt bike shot out from a ditch and she hit
the bike broadside.

End result - $6,280 worth of damage to the Subaru - totaled. The
owner of the dirt bike showed up after a call from the SP, picked the
bike up off the ground, started it and drove away.

So much for Consumer Reports.


Hmmm.

I'm not sure it means anything. Figure 150 pounds each for the kids, 200
pounds for the dirtbike. Maybe 500 pounds overall. Larger than most of
the deer that total cars or causes thousands in damage.

The kids would be dead or severely injured and I doubt that a 200 pound
dirtbike would survive being hit broadside by an SUV traveling 30 mph. I
just don't believe the story.


I can't explain this, but I think that because a deer is (like a human)
largely water, it'll damage a car differently than some other object, like a
dirt bike.

On Sun, 05 Aug 2007 03:20:48 -0000, wrote:

On Aug 4, 10:47 pm, John H. wrote:
On Sun, 05 Aug 2007 01:17:28 GMT, Short Wave Sportfishing





wrote:
On Fri, 3 Aug 2007 17:30:10 -0400, "JimH" ask wrote:

I have to admit that Consumer Reports has a thing for Toyotas as they are
always recommended by them.

Mrs. Wave bought a Subaru station wagon (against my wishes I might
add) based on Consumer Reports. She felt it was safer.

One day she's driving along at 30 mph on Thompson Dam Road when a two
kids who stole a 125 Honda dirt bike shot out from a ditch and she hit
the bike broadside.

End result - $6,280 worth of damage to the Subaru - totaled. The
owner of the dirt bike showed up after a call from the SP, picked the
bike up off the ground, started it and drove away.

So much for Consumer Reports.

How did your wife fare? If she wasn't hurt, then the car must have been
fairly safe. Good decision on her part.

What, cause it barely survived an encounter with a 2-300 pound dirt
bike??

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Not it, *her*. She wanted the car because it was safe.
--
John H

"Reginald P. Smithers III" wrote in message
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Wayne.B wrote:
On Thu, 2 Aug 2007 20:33:44 -0400, "JimH" ask wrote:

Perhaps this thread can result in some unbiased reviews based on
experiences with the Ford F-150, Chevy Silveraldo and Toyota Tundra.

Let's put it this way, if you want my Tundra you will have to pry it
out of my cold dead hands. It's a great truck - rides well, quiet,
nicely finished, reliable,
half-way decent fuel economy (for a V8 gas truck).

According to MSN Auto, the User rating places Ford F-150 #1, with a 7.7,
the Ram w/ 7.6 and Tundra w/ 7.3. Consumer Reports rated the old Tundra
their number 1 rated truck.

Edmunds and Car Connection rates the F-150 the best rated used truck to
buy, while Consumer Reports rates the Toyota as the best used truck to
buy.

It is obvious, that the only thing everyone can agree on, is don't buy a
GM truck.

I drive a GM truck. Diesel, 19 mpg on the freeway at 75 mph. My Son in law
drives a Tundra. Nice truck, but does not ride as near as nice as my Chevy
2500. Just feels tinny. Plus my truck has no roblem towing the 4400# of
boat and trailer while hauling a 1400# camper. Did it the last couple of
days. Averaged about 12.5 mpg, while towing the boat into a remote lake at
4000' elevation and up and down a lot of steep curvy road.

Calif Bill wrote:
"Reginald P. Smithers III" wrote in message
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Wayne.B wrote:
On Thu, 2 Aug 2007 20:33:44 -0400, "JimH" ask wrote:

Perhaps this thread can result in some unbiased reviews based on
experiences with the Ford F-150, Chevy Silveraldo and Toyota Tundra.
Let's put it this way, if you want my Tundra you will have to pry it
out of my cold dead hands. It's a great truck - rides well, quiet,
nicely finished, reliable,
half-way decent fuel economy (for a V8 gas truck).
According to MSN Auto, the User rating places Ford F-150 #1, with a 7.7,
the Ram w/ 7.6 and Tundra w/ 7.3. Consumer Reports rated the old Tundra
their number 1 rated truck.

Edmunds and Car Connection rates the F-150 the best rated used truck to
buy, while Consumer Reports rates the Toyota as the best used truck to
buy.

It is obvious, that the only thing everyone can agree on, is don't buy a
GM truck.

I drive a GM truck. Diesel, 19 mpg on the freeway at 75 mph. My Son in law
drives a Tundra. Nice truck, but does not ride as near as nice as my Chevy
2500. Just feels tinny. Plus my truck has no roblem towing the 4400# of
boat and trailer while hauling a 1400# camper. Did it the last couple of
days. Averaged about 12.5 mpg, while towing the boat into a remote lake at
4000' elevation and up and down a lot of steep curvy road.




Your posit is absurd. If you wanted a fair comparison, you'd have to
compare the Tundra with a Chevy truck of similar class and capacities.

A close friend has a 2007 Silverado. Compared to the Tundra I used to
own, it is a roughly finished, poorly riding p.o.s., and noisy.

I might buy a truck this year to go along with the new trailerboat. The
first one on my list is a new Tundra with the smaller V8, followed by
the Ford F150. I wouldn't consider a Dodge or Chevy-GM truck. I'm
unimpressed with their engineering and quality of assembly.

On Sun, 5 Aug 2007 13:50:48 -0700, "Calif Bill"
wrote:


"Reginald P. Smithers III" wrote in message
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Wayne.B wrote:
On Thu, 2 Aug 2007 20:33:44 -0400, "JimH" ask wrote:

Perhaps this thread can result in some unbiased reviews based on
experiences with the Ford F-150, Chevy Silveraldo and Toyota Tundra.

Let's put it this way, if you want my Tundra you will have to pry it
out of my cold dead hands. It's a great truck - rides well, quiet,
nicely finished, reliable,
half-way decent fuel economy (for a V8 gas truck).

According to MSN Auto, the User rating places Ford F-150 #1, with a 7.7,
the Ram w/ 7.6 and Tundra w/ 7.3. Consumer Reports rated the old Tundra
their number 1 rated truck.

Edmunds and Car Connection rates the F-150 the best rated used truck to
buy, while Consumer Reports rates the Toyota as the best used truck to
buy.

It is obvious, that the only thing everyone can agree on, is don't buy a
GM truck.

I drive a GM truck. Diesel, 19 mpg on the freeway at 75 mph. My Son in law
drives a Tundra. Nice truck, but does not ride as near as nice as my Chevy
2500. Just feels tinny. Plus my truck has no roblem towing the 4400# of
boat and trailer while hauling a 1400# camper. Did it the last couple of
days. Averaged about 12.5 mpg, while towing the boat into a remote lake at
4000' elevation and up and down a lot of steep curvy road.


You've got a good truck.

Amen.
--
John H

On Sun, 05 Aug 2007 17:58:34 -0400, HK wrote:

Calif Bill wrote:
"Reginald P. Smithers III" wrote in message
. ..
Wayne.B wrote:
On Thu, 2 Aug 2007 20:33:44 -0400, "JimH" ask wrote:

Perhaps this thread can result in some unbiased reviews based on
experiences with the Ford F-150, Chevy Silveraldo and Toyota Tundra.
Let's put it this way, if you want my Tundra you will have to pry it
out of my cold dead hands. It's a great truck - rides well, quiet,
nicely finished, reliable,
half-way decent fuel economy (for a V8 gas truck).
According to MSN Auto, the User rating places Ford F-150 #1, with a 7.7,
the Ram w/ 7.6 and Tundra w/ 7.3. Consumer Reports rated the old Tundra
their number 1 rated truck.

Edmunds and Car Connection rates the F-150 the best rated used truck to
buy, while Consumer Reports rates the Toyota as the best used truck to
buy.

It is obvious, that the only thing everyone can agree on, is don't buy a
GM truck.

I drive a GM truck. Diesel, 19 mpg on the freeway at 75 mph. My Son in law
drives a Tundra. Nice truck, but does not ride as near as nice as my Chevy
2500. Just feels tinny. Plus my truck has no roblem towing the 4400# of
boat and trailer while hauling a 1400# camper. Did it the last couple of
days. Averaged about 12.5 mpg, while towing the boat into a remote lake at
4000' elevation and up and down a lot of steep curvy road.




Your posit is absurd. If you wanted a fair comparison, you'd have to
compare the Tundra with a Chevy truck of similar class and capacities.

A close friend has a 2007 Silverado. Compared to the Tundra I used to
own, it is a roughly finished, poorly riding p.o.s., and noisy.

I might buy a truck this year to go along with the new trailerboat. The
first one on my list is a new Tundra with the smaller V8, followed by
the Ford F150. I wouldn't consider a Dodge or Chevy-GM truck. I'm
unimpressed with their engineering and quality of assembly.

Everyone is very impressed with your opinion, Harry. Thanks for the time
and effort. You are a very neat guy.
--
John H

"John H." wrote in message
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On Sun, 05 Aug 2007 17:58:34 -0400, HK wrote:

Calif Bill wrote:
"Reginald P. Smithers III" wrote in message
. ..
Wayne.B wrote:
On Thu, 2 Aug 2007 20:33:44 -0400, "JimH" ask wrote:

Perhaps this thread can result in some unbiased reviews based on
experiences with the Ford F-150, Chevy Silveraldo and Toyota Tundra.
Let's put it this way, if you want my Tundra you will have to pry it
out of my cold dead hands. It's a great truck - rides well, quiet,
nicely finished, reliable,
half-way decent fuel economy (for a V8 gas truck).
According to MSN Auto, the User rating places Ford F-150 #1, with a
7.7,
the Ram w/ 7.6 and Tundra w/ 7.3. Consumer Reports rated the old
Tundra
their number 1 rated truck.

Edmunds and Car Connection rates the F-150 the best rated used truck to
buy, while Consumer Reports rates the Toyota as the best used truck to
buy.

It is obvious, that the only thing everyone can agree on, is don't buy
a
GM truck.

I drive a GM truck. Diesel, 19 mpg on the freeway at 75 mph. My Son in
law
drives a Tundra. Nice truck, but does not ride as near as nice as my
Chevy
2500. Just feels tinny. Plus my truck has no roblem towing the 4400#
of
boat and trailer while hauling a 1400# camper. Did it the last couple
of
days. Averaged about 12.5 mpg, while towing the boat into a remote lake
at
4000' elevation and up and down a lot of steep curvy road.




Your posit is absurd. If you wanted a fair comparison, you'd have to
compare the Tundra with a Chevy truck of similar class and capacities.

A close friend has a 2007 Silverado. Compared to the Tundra I used to
own, it is a roughly finished, poorly riding p.o.s., and noisy.

I might buy a truck this year to go along with the new trailerboat. The
first one on my list is a new Tundra with the smaller V8, followed by
the Ford F150. I wouldn't consider a Dodge or Chevy-GM truck. I'm
unimpressed with their engineering and quality of assembly.

Everyone is very impressed with your opinion, Harry. Thanks for the time
and effort. You are a very neat guy.
--
John H


John, pay close attention:

http://www.thebestpageintheuniverse....=manly_suicide

You succeed, and I'll send flowers to the nearest landfill where your
funeral is held. I promise.

JoeSpareBedroom wrote:
"John H." wrote in message
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On Sun, 05 Aug 2007 17:58:34 -0400, HK wrote:

Calif Bill wrote:
"Reginald P. Smithers III" wrote in message
. ..
Wayne.B wrote:
On Thu, 2 Aug 2007 20:33:44 -0400, "JimH" ask wrote:

Perhaps this thread can result in some unbiased reviews based on
experiences with the Ford F-150, Chevy Silveraldo and Toyota Tundra.
Let's put it this way, if you want my Tundra you will have to pry it
out of my cold dead hands. It's a great truck - rides well, quiet,
nicely finished, reliable,
half-way decent fuel economy (for a V8 gas truck).
According to MSN Auto, the User rating places Ford F-150 #1, with a
7.7,
the Ram w/ 7.6 and Tundra w/ 7.3. Consumer Reports rated the old
Tundra
their number 1 rated truck.

Edmunds and Car Connection rates the F-150 the best rated used truck to
buy, while Consumer Reports rates the Toyota as the best used truck to
buy.

It is obvious, that the only thing everyone can agree on, is don't buy
a
GM truck.
I drive a GM truck. Diesel, 19 mpg on the freeway at 75 mph. My Son in
law
drives a Tundra. Nice truck, but does not ride as near as nice as my
Chevy
2500. Just feels tinny. Plus my truck has no roblem towing the 4400#
of
boat and trailer while hauling a 1400# camper. Did it the last couple
of
days. Averaged about 12.5 mpg, while towing the boat into a remote lake
at
4000' elevation and up and down a lot of steep curvy road.



Your posit is absurd. If you wanted a fair comparison, you'd have to
compare the Tundra with a Chevy truck of similar class and capacities.

A close friend has a 2007 Silverado. Compared to the Tundra I used to
own, it is a roughly finished, poorly riding p.o.s., and noisy.

I might buy a truck this year to go along with the new trailerboat. The
first one on my list is a new Tundra with the smaller V8, followed by
the Ford F150. I wouldn't consider a Dodge or Chevy-GM truck. I'm
unimpressed with their engineering and quality of assembly.
Everyone is very impressed with your opinion, Harry. Thanks for the time
and effort. You are a very neat guy.
--
John H


John, pay close attention:

http://www.thebestpageintheuniverse....=manly_suicide

You succeed, and I'll send flowers to the nearest landfill where your
funeral is held. I promise.




I'll pop for a kazoo player bleeting out amazingly graceless.

On Aug 2, 5:33?pm, "JimH" ask wrote:
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On Thu, 02 Aug 2007 23:27:02 GMT, Short Wave Sportfishing

wrote:

Anybody with a socket wrench and five minutes could easily reverse the
outcome
of that dummied up test.

When Ford's start regularly going 200,000+ miles without anything
besides
minor
routine maintenance, please let me know. That is NOT their present
reputation.

What exactly does pickup box bounce indicate, anyway? Maybe Ford needs
to
do
some homework. It may be an advantage for the mighty oak tree to sway
in
the
wind, rather than standing firm and breaking. Most competent engineers
know
that.

You must be a Tundra owner. ;-)

Of course he is - it's pretty obvious.

He'd rather pay $47,000 for a Tundra that will shake it'self apart
than a Ford which at $34,000 won't.

Heh, heh, heh...

You are wrong on all counts. I don't own a Tundra. However Fords do not
have a
very good reputation for living a long life without major repairs. They
are
crap, plain and simple. Is the Toyota perfect? Far from it. It's still a
hell of
a lot better than any current Ford. To compare them for quality is
laughable.

Really laughable. Total cost of ownership from beginning to end of usable
life
makes the Toyota half the price of the Ford or better. You are a sucker
for
initial low price. PT Barnum knew all about you..

We own a Toyota Highlander and could not be happier with it. Does that
mean the Tundra is of equal quality? Hmm.......

I will be purchasing a pickup in the near future and have narrowed my choice
to the three that were tested in the link I orignally provided. I am not a
Dodge or Nissan fan.

I thought the bed stability test was a good example of the finish quality
between these 3 trucks and was a start for me to compare the 3. Whether
or not a simple tightening of nuts with a socket wrench can fix the problem
highlighted by the test is debatable at this point..........the main point
is that the trucks were tested as rolled out by the factories.

I know brand loyalty is important to some...........I am looking to move
past that.

Perhaps this thread can result in some unbiased reviews based on experiences
with the Ford F-150, Chevy Silveraldo and Toyota Tundra.

Heck, reviews of the Dodge Ram and Nissan Titan pickups are also welcome.
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Your Highlander is the same basic vehicle as our Lexus 400H, but I'm
assuming yours is not a hybrid. The Highlander/Lexus are very well
made.

I'd like to see Toyota use that six cylinder hybrid platform to build
a light duty pickup. It probably wouldn't be suitable for towing much,
but for schlepping home a couple of sheets of plywood or two dozen 50-
pound bags of fertilizer it would probably work very well. I don't
think the hybrid would be the best choice for launching a boat-
somehow I'd be nervous with two of the four electric motors entirely
submerged when backed down a boat ramp. Maybe it's OK, but then again
maybe not.