You want a review of the Ram... ok.

My 1st in 1984 (1/2 ton, 2wd) went 130,000 with nothing other than an
electronic ignition module that went bad at about 50,000. I replaced it with
a standard vacuum advance, and it was good 'till I traded it on a 1990 (3/4
ton, 4wd). The 1990 had the tranny go south at 60,000 but was replaced under
warantee, and was problem free till I traded it on a '95 at about 100k. The
'95 (3/4 ton, 4wd, extended cab) was absolutely problem free until I traded
it on my current Dodge... an '03. The '95 had about 150k on it at the time.
So far, the '03 (3/4 ton, 4wd, crew cab, hemi) has not had a single problem
other than normal stuff (brakes, tune-up, etc) as with the other trucks.
I've only got about 50k on it right now. Until Dodge gives me a reason to go
elsewhere, it's the truck for me.

--Mike

"JimH" ask wrote in message
...

wrote in message
...
On Thu, 02 Aug 2007 23:27:02 GMT, Short Wave Sportfishing

wrote:


Anybody with a socket wrench and five minutes could easily reverse the
outcome
of that dummied up test.

When Ford's start regularly going 200,000+ miles without anything
besides
minor
routine maintenance, please let me know. That is NOT their present
reputation.

What exactly does pickup box bounce indicate, anyway? Maybe Ford needs
to
do
some homework. It may be an advantage for the mighty oak tree to sway
in
the
wind, rather than standing firm and breaking. Most competent engineers
know
that.

You must be a Tundra owner. ;-)

Of course he is - it's pretty obvious.

He'd rather pay $47,000 for a Tundra that will shake it'self apart
than a Ford which at $34,000 won't.

Heh, heh, heh...

You are wrong on all counts. I don't own a Tundra. However Fords do not
have a
very good reputation for living a long life without major repairs. They
are
crap, plain and simple. Is the Toyota perfect? Far from it. It's still a
hell of
a lot better than any current Ford. To compare them for quality is
laughable.

Really laughable. Total cost of ownership from beginning to end of usable
life
makes the Toyota half the price of the Ford or better. You are a sucker
for
initial low price. PT Barnum knew all about you..



We own a Toyota Highlander and could not be happier with it. Does that
mean the Tundra is of equal quality? Hmm.......

I will be purchasing a pickup in the near future and have narrowed my
choice to the three that were tested in the link I orignally provided. I
am not a Dodge or Nissan fan.

I thought the bed stability test was a good example of the finish quality
between these 3 trucks and was a start for me to compare the 3. Whether
or not a simple tightening of nuts with a socket wrench can fix the
problem highlighted by the test is debatable at this point..........the
main point is that the trucks were tested as rolled out by the factories.

I know brand loyalty is important to some...........I am looking to move
past that.

Perhaps this thread can result in some unbiased reviews based on
experiences with the Ford F-150, Chevy Silveraldo and Toyota Tundra.

Heck, reviews of the Dodge Ram and Nissan Titan pickups are also welcome.
;-)

Why would you be replacing trannies

Hey, sh*t happens, and I can accept that. Like I said, it was replaced under
warantee... no problem.

The ignition was replaced with a vacuum advance, 'cause that kit was $150,
and the new module was $250. I didn't have the extra money to spend, and I
did the work myself.

Lemons, my a**

--Mike

wrote in message
...
On Thu, 2 Aug 2007 22:50:23 -0700, "Mike" wrote:

You want a review of the Ram... ok.

My 1st in 1984 (1/2 ton, 2wd) went 130,000 with nothing other than an
electronic ignition module that went bad at about 50,000. I replaced it
with
a standard vacuum advance, and it was good 'till I traded it on a 1990
(3/4
ton, 4wd). The 1990 had the tranny go south at 60,000 but was replaced
under
warantee, and was problem free till I traded it on a '95 at about 100k.
The
'95 (3/4 ton, 4wd, extended cab) was absolutely problem free until I
traded
it on my current Dodge... an '03. The '95 had about 150k on it at the
time.
So far, the '03 (3/4 ton, 4wd, crew cab, hemi) has not had a single
problem
other than normal stuff (brakes, tune-up, etc) as with the other trucks.
I've only got about 50k on it right now. Until Dodge gives me a reason to
go
elsewhere, it's the truck for me.

--Mike


To someone who owns Toyotas, the above sounds like a series of lemons. Why
would
you be replacing trannies and ignition systems at 50-60k? And why was the
original ignition system not replaced with the same thing as the original?
Did
someone tell you it would probably fail again?

I owned a 64 Dodge Dart convertible with a slant 6 that was pretty good. I
think
it must have been a very different company back then.

wrote in message
...
On Thu, 2 Aug 2007 22:50:23 -0700, "Mike" wrote:

You want a review of the Ram... ok.

My 1st in 1984 (1/2 ton, 2wd) went 130,000 with nothing other than an
electronic ignition module that went bad at about 50,000. I replaced it
with
a standard vacuum advance, and it was good 'till I traded it on a 1990
(3/4
ton, 4wd). The 1990 had the tranny go south at 60,000 but was replaced
under
warantee, and was problem free till I traded it on a '95 at about 100k.
The
'95 (3/4 ton, 4wd, extended cab) was absolutely problem free until I
traded
it on my current Dodge... an '03. The '95 had about 150k on it at the
time.
So far, the '03 (3/4 ton, 4wd, crew cab, hemi) has not had a single
problem
other than normal stuff (brakes, tune-up, etc) as with the other trucks.
I've only got about 50k on it right now. Until Dodge gives me a reason to
go
elsewhere, it's the truck for me.

--Mike


To someone who owns Toyotas, the above sounds like a series of lemons. Why
would
you be replacing trannies and ignition systems at 50-60k? And why was the
original ignition system not replaced with the same thing as the original?
Did
someone tell you it would probably fail again?

I owned a 64 Dodge Dart convertible with a slant 6 that was pretty good. I
think
it must have been a very different company back then.




A large segment of the buying public was (and probably still is) willing to
pretend that a short life span is normal for certain car brands. Cars are a
unique product category in this regard.

On Fri, 03 Aug 2007 16:41:54 GMT, "JoeSpareBedroom"
wrote:

wrote in message
.. .
On Thu, 2 Aug 2007 22:50:23 -0700, "Mike" wrote:

You want a review of the Ram... ok.

My 1st in 1984 (1/2 ton, 2wd) went 130,000 with nothing other than an
electronic ignition module that went bad at about 50,000. I replaced it
with
a standard vacuum advance, and it was good 'till I traded it on a 1990
(3/4
ton, 4wd). The 1990 had the tranny go south at 60,000 but was replaced
under
warantee, and was problem free till I traded it on a '95 at about 100k.
The
'95 (3/4 ton, 4wd, extended cab) was absolutely problem free until I
traded
it on my current Dodge... an '03. The '95 had about 150k on it at the
time.
So far, the '03 (3/4 ton, 4wd, crew cab, hemi) has not had a single
problem
other than normal stuff (brakes, tune-up, etc) as with the other trucks.
I've only got about 50k on it right now. Until Dodge gives me a reason to
go
elsewhere, it's the truck for me.

--Mike


To someone who owns Toyotas, the above sounds like a series of lemons. Why
would
you be replacing trannies and ignition systems at 50-60k? And why was the
original ignition system not replaced with the same thing as the original?
Did
someone tell you it would probably fail again?

I owned a 64 Dodge Dart convertible with a slant 6 that was pretty good. I
think
it must have been a very different company back then.




A large segment of the buying public was (and probably still is) willing to
pretend that a short life span is normal for certain car brands. Cars are a
unique product category in this regard.


You forgot to post the source of your data for your claims about the buying
public. Please do so right now.
--
John H

"John H." wrote in message
...
On Fri, 03 Aug 2007 16:41:54 GMT, "JoeSpareBedroom"
wrote:

wrote in message
. ..
On Thu, 2 Aug 2007 22:50:23 -0700, "Mike" wrote:

You want a review of the Ram... ok.

My 1st in 1984 (1/2 ton, 2wd) went 130,000 with nothing other than an
electronic ignition module that went bad at about 50,000. I replaced it
with
a standard vacuum advance, and it was good 'till I traded it on a 1990
(3/4
ton, 4wd). The 1990 had the tranny go south at 60,000 but was replaced
under
warantee, and was problem free till I traded it on a '95 at about 100k.
The
'95 (3/4 ton, 4wd, extended cab) was absolutely problem free until I
traded
it on my current Dodge... an '03. The '95 had about 150k on it at the
time.
So far, the '03 (3/4 ton, 4wd, crew cab, hemi) has not had a single
problem
other than normal stuff (brakes, tune-up, etc) as with the other trucks.
I've only got about 50k on it right now. Until Dodge gives me a reason
to
go
elsewhere, it's the truck for me.

--Mike


To someone who owns Toyotas, the above sounds like a series of lemons.
Why
would
you be replacing trannies and ignition systems at 50-60k? And why was
the
original ignition system not replaced with the same thing as the
original?
Did
someone tell you it would probably fail again?

I owned a 64 Dodge Dart convertible with a slant 6 that was pretty good.
I
think
it must have been a very different company back then.




A large segment of the buying public was (and probably still is) willing
to
pretend that a short life span is normal for certain car brands. Cars are
a
unique product category in this regard.


You forgot to post the source of your data for your claims about the
buying
public. Please do so right now.
--
John H

Interviews, and blindly loyal comments from people who think replacing a
tranny at 60k miles is normal.

On Fri, 03 Aug 2007 17:00:41 GMT, "JoeSpareBedroom"
wrote:

"John H." wrote in message
.. .
On Fri, 03 Aug 2007 16:41:54 GMT, "JoeSpareBedroom"
wrote:

wrote in message
...
On Thu, 2 Aug 2007 22:50:23 -0700, "Mike" wrote:

You want a review of the Ram... ok.

My 1st in 1984 (1/2 ton, 2wd) went 130,000 with nothing other than an
electronic ignition module that went bad at about 50,000. I replaced it
with
a standard vacuum advance, and it was good 'till I traded it on a 1990
(3/4
ton, 4wd). The 1990 had the tranny go south at 60,000 but was replaced
under
warantee, and was problem free till I traded it on a '95 at about 100k.
The
'95 (3/4 ton, 4wd, extended cab) was absolutely problem free until I
traded
it on my current Dodge... an '03. The '95 had about 150k on it at the
time.
So far, the '03 (3/4 ton, 4wd, crew cab, hemi) has not had a single
problem
other than normal stuff (brakes, tune-up, etc) as with the other trucks.
I've only got about 50k on it right now. Until Dodge gives me a reason
to
go
elsewhere, it's the truck for me.

--Mike


To someone who owns Toyotas, the above sounds like a series of lemons.
Why
would
you be replacing trannies and ignition systems at 50-60k? And why was
the
original ignition system not replaced with the same thing as the
original?
Did
someone tell you it would probably fail again?

I owned a 64 Dodge Dart convertible with a slant 6 that was pretty good.
I
think
it must have been a very different company back then.




A large segment of the buying public was (and probably still is) willing
to
pretend that a short life span is normal for certain car brands. Cars are
a
unique product category in this regard.


You forgot to post the source of your data for your claims about the
buying
public. Please do so right now.
--
John H

Interviews, and blindly loyal comments from people who think replacing a
tranny at 60k miles is normal.


That is a hell of a source.
--
John H

"John H." wrote in message
...
On Fri, 03 Aug 2007 17:00:41 GMT, "JoeSpareBedroom"
wrote:

"John H." wrote in message
. ..
On Fri, 03 Aug 2007 16:41:54 GMT, "JoeSpareBedroom"
wrote:

wrote in message
m...
On Thu, 2 Aug 2007 22:50:23 -0700, "Mike" wrote:

You want a review of the Ram... ok.

My 1st in 1984 (1/2 ton, 2wd) went 130,000 with nothing other than an
electronic ignition module that went bad at about 50,000. I replaced
it
with
a standard vacuum advance, and it was good 'till I traded it on a 1990
(3/4
ton, 4wd). The 1990 had the tranny go south at 60,000 but was replaced
under
warantee, and was problem free till I traded it on a '95 at about
100k.
The
'95 (3/4 ton, 4wd, extended cab) was absolutely problem free until I
traded
it on my current Dodge... an '03. The '95 had about 150k on it at the
time.
So far, the '03 (3/4 ton, 4wd, crew cab, hemi) has not had a single
problem
other than normal stuff (brakes, tune-up, etc) as with the other
trucks.
I've only got about 50k on it right now. Until Dodge gives me a reason
to
go
elsewhere, it's the truck for me.

--Mike


To someone who owns Toyotas, the above sounds like a series of lemons.
Why
would
you be replacing trannies and ignition systems at 50-60k? And why was
the
original ignition system not replaced with the same thing as the
original?
Did
someone tell you it would probably fail again?

I owned a 64 Dodge Dart convertible with a slant 6 that was pretty
good.
I
think
it must have been a very different company back then.




A large segment of the buying public was (and probably still is) willing
to
pretend that a short life span is normal for certain car brands. Cars
are
a
unique product category in this regard.


You forgot to post the source of your data for your claims about the
buying
public. Please do so right now.
--
John H

Interviews, and blindly loyal comments from people who think replacing a
tranny at 60k miles is normal.


That is a hell of a source.
--
John H

Oh? You'd be more impressed if a magazine author got the same information by
speaking to the same kinds of people, and then reported it to you? I don't
need intermediaries.

On Aug 3, 1:19 pm, "JoeSpareBedroom" wrote:
"John H." wrote in message

...





On Fri, 03 Aug 2007 17:00:41 GMT, "JoeSpareBedroom"
wrote:

"John H." wrote in message
. ..
On Fri, 03 Aug 2007 16:41:54 GMT, "JoeSpareBedroom"
wrote:

wrote in message
m...
On Thu, 2 Aug 2007 22:50:23 -0700, "Mike" wrote:

You want a review of the Ram... ok.

My 1st in 1984 (1/2 ton, 2wd) went 130,000 with nothing other than an
electronic ignition module that went bad at about 50,000. I replaced
it
with
a standard vacuum advance, and it was good 'till I traded it on a 1990
(3/4
ton, 4wd). The 1990 had the tranny go south at 60,000 but was replaced
under
warantee, and was problem free till I traded it on a '95 at about
100k.
The
'95 (3/4 ton, 4wd, extended cab) was absolutely problem free until I
traded
it on my current Dodge... an '03. The '95 had about 150k on it at the
time.
So far, the '03 (3/4 ton, 4wd, crew cab, hemi) has not had a single
problem
other than normal stuff (brakes, tune-up, etc) as with the other
trucks.
I've only got about 50k on it right now. Until Dodge gives me a reason
to
go
elsewhere, it's the truck for me.

--Mike

To someone who owns Toyotas, the above sounds like a series of lemons.
Why
would
you be replacing trannies and ignition systems at 50-60k? And why was
the
original ignition system not replaced with the same thing as the
original?
Did
someone tell you it would probably fail again?

I owned a 64 Dodge Dart convertible with a slant 6 that was pretty
good.
I
think
it must have been a very different company back then.

A large segment of the buying public was (and probably still is) willing
to
pretend that a short life span is normal for certain car brands. Cars
are
a
unique product category in this regard.

You forgot to post the source of your data for your claims about the
buying
public. Please do so right now.
--
John H

Interviews, and blindly loyal comments from people who think replacing a
tranny at 60k miles is normal.

That is a hell of a source.
--
John H

Oh? You'd be more impressed if a magazine author got the same information by
speaking to the same kinds of people, and then reported it to you? I don't
need intermediaries.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

OK, so which one would you rather ride down a rough road? Which one
would you rather resell? Which one would you drive to the ground?
Which one would you drive your girl friend to the beach in? Real tool
guys realize that everyone uses different tools for different
activities, I have 11 hammers, and use them all. There is no excuse
anymore for any engine or drivetrain to fail unless used beyond it's
design. I know there are times, but basically, modern drive trains,
taken care of, not abused, should outlast most bodies. If it comes to
towing, and I had my druthers, I would take the old ladder frame Ford.
Taking a couple of kakaks and my babe to the beach, maybe the Toyota,
or of course my personal fav, not in the discussion, my old CJ. Just
some ramblings from someone who has worked in the automotive
industry , towing industry (wreckers were all Fords BTW, the hook was
a 1976. and done a good deal of off roading GMC and Jeep mostly...

One last thought before I go use my BOAT!!! Remember boats anyone.
Maybe you all love your trucks so much cause you are just really smart
guys, bought the right tool in the first place, took care of it, and
it served you well

On Fri, 03 Aug 2007 17:19:26 GMT, "JoeSpareBedroom"
wrote:

"John H." wrote in message
.. .
On Fri, 03 Aug 2007 17:00:41 GMT, "JoeSpareBedroom"
wrote:

"John H." wrote in message
...
On Fri, 03 Aug 2007 16:41:54 GMT, "JoeSpareBedroom"
wrote:

wrote in message
om...
On Thu, 2 Aug 2007 22:50:23 -0700, "Mike" wrote:

You want a review of the Ram... ok.

My 1st in 1984 (1/2 ton, 2wd) went 130,000 with nothing other than an
electronic ignition module that went bad at about 50,000. I replaced
it
with
a standard vacuum advance, and it was good 'till I traded it on a 1990
(3/4
ton, 4wd). The 1990 had the tranny go south at 60,000 but was replaced
under
warantee, and was problem free till I traded it on a '95 at about
100k.
The
'95 (3/4 ton, 4wd, extended cab) was absolutely problem free until I
traded
it on my current Dodge... an '03. The '95 had about 150k on it at the
time.
So far, the '03 (3/4 ton, 4wd, crew cab, hemi) has not had a single
problem
other than normal stuff (brakes, tune-up, etc) as with the other
trucks.
I've only got about 50k on it right now. Until Dodge gives me a reason
to
go
elsewhere, it's the truck for me.

--Mike


To someone who owns Toyotas, the above sounds like a series of lemons.
Why
would
you be replacing trannies and ignition systems at 50-60k? And why was
the
original ignition system not replaced with the same thing as the
original?
Did
someone tell you it would probably fail again?

I owned a 64 Dodge Dart convertible with a slant 6 that was pretty
good.
I
think
it must have been a very different company back then.




A large segment of the buying public was (and probably still is) willing
to
pretend that a short life span is normal for certain car brands. Cars
are
a
unique product category in this regard.


You forgot to post the source of your data for your claims about the
buying
public. Please do so right now.
--
John H

Interviews, and blindly loyal comments from people who think replacing a
tranny at 60k miles is normal.


That is a hell of a source.
--
John H

Oh? You'd be more impressed if a magazine author got the same information by
speaking to the same kinds of people, and then reported it to you? I don't
need intermediaries.


Perhaps Capt John needed none either.
--
John H