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On Tue, 10 Jul 2007 13:11:15 -0700, jps wrote:

In article ,
says...
jps wrote:
In article , jherring1
@yahoo.com says...
On Tue, 10 Jul 2007 10:59:35 -0700, jps wrote some more
old political crap that should go to:

You argue until you can't, then claim it should go elsewhere.

You'd have commuted Libby too.

jps

jps,
I would like to apologize for everyone who ever supported Bush, for
anyone who ever voted for Bush, and for anyone who ever thought he was
anything but a complete idiot.

Does this mean you will stop the political BS and move on to another topic?

Although it's admirable and I accept your apology, I'll need proof that
your proxy on behalf of the rest of the idiots is legitimate.

jps

I'm sorry you feel the way you do too. Now will you tell us about your
Whaler?
--
John H

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On Tue, 10 Jul 2007 13:54:25 -0700, jps wrote:

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I think he might be basskisser.

And that would make you Backyard Renegade?

jps

I know there're dots there somewhere. Just can't find 'em. ****ty little
dots!
--
John H

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"JimH" ask wrote in message
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"Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message
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Man it's hot outside.

Freakin' Global Warming...

Same here.........temps in the 90's. You have to feel for the roofers,
construction workers and road workers.

I collected garbage for the city of Parma for 2 summers when I was in high
school. Even when you are in shape days like this are tough.

Cold front coming through tonight. Man.......we need some rain!

Rain & cool weather? I could send you a truck full.
Our summer so far isn't much better than our spring. I may have to vacation
in Seattle to dry out & warm up!

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On Jul 9, 10:29?pm, jps wrote:
In article .com,
says...

in the group of folks
who won't (quite) always be wrong have to be our esteemed friends with
a more conservative perspective. It is just such a willingness to be
frank, self critical, inclusive, and willing to accept the opposition
as worthy individuals of merit and intelligence (rather than "enemies
of the state") that marks an important difference between liberal
ideology and the politics of hate, blame, and recrimination preached
by the Limbaughs, Hannitys, Savages, etc of the world.

Chuck,

All our "conservative" friends would have to do is admit they were
complete idiots for having ever having believed that the Bush/Cheney
Iraq war was anything but a grab for the world's biggest nearly
unaffiliated pool of oil (it just needed to be liberated from Saddam).

You and the rest of folks from the left suffered through so much
bull**** when this was all coming down.

I want to read their admissions that they were freakin' idiots.

Even Republican leadership is giving up on these bald faced liars. Only
fools would continue to believe this administration is about anything
but protecting the rich and richer and all their agendum.

Let them admit they were sucked in by a group of ill-inspired jackasses
that have reduced this country's ability to compete in the world while
setting us on a rotten footing morally, ethically and spiritually,
who're now threatening the very foundation of our republic by thwarting
and stonewalling the two other branches of government.

If this were Democrats taking the country down, our conservative friends
would be peering through the blinds of their media rooms with their
semi-automatic weapons in hand, looking for cars bearing Kerry/Edwards
stickers to shoot at.

Let them apologize for their foolishness...

and I'll go back to writing exclusively about boating in this newsgroup.

jps

"Blame" isn't important or useful.

When we're up to our bee-hinds in alligators, it doesn't really matter
who can be blamed for failing to drain the swamp.

My perspective is that we are currently facing some serioius problems
as a society. Unfortunately, some of these problems have been
exacerbated by tendencies to divide up and feud among ourselves-
tendencies that have been encouraged by specific factions perhaps more
than others.

We need to come together. It's time to stop blaming everything on
Clinton, for sure, and it's about time to start trying to fix,
together, anything that may have gone sideways under the present
Executive.

Our fellow Americans are not the enemy, but the enemy *might* be those
who try to convince us that our fellow Americans are. In that vein,
getting on somebody's case for being a conservative (or a liberal) or
for previously expressing support for a policy or porgram that so far
hasn't worked out very well is destructive.

Even *if* blame could be assigned (and it can't) and even *if* blame
were accepted (and it will never be), once the blame were assigned and
accepted we would still need to fix whatever problems somebody,
somewhere, is to blame for. Hijacking a thread to start a political
scrap is in the worst traditions of a lot of folks who try to cause
problems rather than solve them- so I wish you wouldn't and I have now
put my 22-cents in. :-) Carry on.

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On Jul 10, 3:46?am, Tom Francis wrote:
On Mon, 09 Jul 2007 21:25:34 -0700, Chuck Gould

wrote:

Relax, go boating, get a bit more liberal. :-)

Forgot to mention this from a bit more liberal than usual type.

"Get rid of all these rotten politicians that we have in Washington,
who are nothing more than corporate toadies," said Robert F. Kennedy
Jr., the environmentalist author, president of Waterkeeper Alliance
and Robert F. Kennedy's son, who grew hoarse from shouting. "This is
treason. And we need to start treating them as traitors."

He's the guy who thinks boats are bad.

Inclusive - subtle - nuanced - liberal.

Looking for the worst example of a liberal that you can find is no
more valid than it would be to insist that Ann Coulter or Rush
Limbaugh
are "typical" conservatives.

Stereotypes are a poor substitute for thoughtful evaluation of
individuals.
But they're attractive as heck to the intellectually lazy, the
insecure, and the paranoid defensive types----- so I'm sure that you
would never
need to rely on stereotype.

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On Jul 11, 4:31 am, Chuck Gould wrote:


We need to come together. It's time to stop blaming everything on
Clinton, for sure, and it's about time to start trying to fix,
together, anything that may have gone sideways under the present
Executive.

And if I answer your three questions, will you let me cross your
bridge? Sandy Berger made sure we will never know how much the
Clintons were involved, had knowledge of, or even told the Bush
administration. Specualate all you want, scream from the top of the
mountain that you beleive the Clintons to the end, then why did they
have to destroy documents, I specualte that they did not tell Bush
everything, but I won't stand on a stump and declare it "truth" beyond
doubt, and call anyone who does not agree, stupid...

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On Jul 11, 8:38?am, wrote:
On Jul 11, 4:31 am, Chuck Gould wrote:



We need to come together. It's time to stop blaming everything on
Clinton, for sure, and it's about time to start trying to fix,
together, anything that may have gone sideways under the present
Executive.

And if I answer your three questions, will you let me cross your
bridge? Sandy Berger made sure we will never know how much the
Clintons were involved, had knowledge of, or even told the Bush
administration. Specualate all you want, scream from the top of the
mountain that you beleive the Clintons to the end, then why did they
have to destroy documents, I specualte that they did not tell Bush
everything, but I won't stand on a stump and declare it "truth" beyond
doubt, and call anyone who does not agree, stupid...

????????????????????????????

Thanks for demonstrating my previous point, but beyond that I have no
idea why you would suggest I'm screaming from a mountaintop that I
"believe the Clintons to the end".

If jps isn't going to accomplish anything by "blaming" Bush and his
conservative supporters (and he isn't), what is to be accomplished by
"blaming" Clinton? Looks like I touched a nerve- sorry. Didn't mean to
put you into a defensive mode.

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On Jul 11, 1:08 pm, Chuck Gould wrote:
On Jul 11, 8:38?am, wrote:





On Jul 11, 4:31 am, Chuck Gould wrote:

We need to come together. It's time to stop blaming everything on
Clinton, for sure, and it's about time to start trying to fix,
together, anything that may have gone sideways under the present
Executive.

And if I answer your three questions, will you let me cross your
bridge? Sandy Berger made sure we will never know how much the
Clintons were involved, had knowledge of, or even told the Bush
administration. Specualate all you want, scream from the top of the
mountain that you beleive the Clintons to the end, then why did they
have to destroy documents, I specualte that they did not tell Bush
everything, but I won't stand on a stump and declare it "truth" beyond
doubt, and call anyone who does not agree, stupid...

????????????????????????????

Thanks for demonstrating my previous point, but beyond that I have no
idea why you would suggest I'm screaming from a mountaintop that I
"believe the Clintons to the end".

Just found it interesting how you worded it. Defending the Clinton
admin and pointing at the current admin at the same time as saying we
need to stop doing that.. And I know you don't just whip stuff off the
cuff;)

If jps isn't going to accomplish anything by "blaming" Bush and his
conservative supporters (and he isn't), what is to be accomplished by
"blaming" Clinton? Looks like I touched a nerve- sorry. Didn't mean to
put you into a defensive mode

No defensive mode, just thought it funny to say we got to "stop
blaming", while blaming, that's all. I usually expect more of you.

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"Chuck Gould" wrote in message
oups.com...
On Jul 11, 8:38?am, wrote:
On Jul 11, 4:31 am, Chuck Gould wrote:



We need to come together. It's time to stop blaming everything on
Clinton, for sure, and it's about time to start trying to fix,
together, anything that may have gone sideways under the present
Executive.

And if I answer your three questions, will you let me cross your
bridge? Sandy Berger made sure we will never know how much the
Clintons were involved, had knowledge of, or even told the Bush
administration. Specualate all you want, scream from the top of the
mountain that you beleive the Clintons to the end, then why did they
have to destroy documents, I specualte that they did not tell Bush
everything, but I won't stand on a stump and declare it "truth" beyond
doubt, and call anyone who does not agree, stupid...

????????????????????????????

Thanks for demonstrating my previous point, but beyond that I have no
idea why you would suggest I'm screaming from a mountaintop that I
"believe the Clintons to the end".

If jps isn't going to accomplish anything by "blaming" Bush and his
conservative supporters (and he isn't), what is to be accomplished by
"blaming" Clinton? Looks like I touched a nerve- sorry. Didn't mean to
put you into a defensive mode.


Hey Chuck.......what happened to your "No Politcal Postings" pledge? ;-)