On Jun 25, 6:36 am, Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
On Mon, 25 Jun 2007 07:08:15 -0400, HK wrote:
Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
On Sun, 24 Jun 2007 21:36:27 -0700, Chuck Gould
wrote:

Pointing out the 10-15% of scientists who disagree with the herd and
pointing out instances when some scientist or another was wrong about
previous climate predictions won't erase the very real possibility
that there's a problem

That's the point Chuck. While you may think it's 10-15% of
scientists, and it's certainly presented that way, it's more like
50/60% of scientists disagree. There isn't any consensus even amoung
those who even think that somehow greenhouse gases are causing global
warming.

The simple truth is this - you can either believe in Global Warming or
not believe in Global Warming. You obviously believe in it despite
evidence to the contrary. So does Gene. And I have no problem with
that.

However, every time I, or others, bring up evidence to the contrary,
it's dismissed - politely and reasonably to be sure, but it's still
dismissed under the quise that the evidence isn't in, but....

Just be honest - you believe in it, you think it's humanity's fault
and go from there.

I would also point out that in the history of science, the "deniers"
of established wisdom are usually the ones that are eventually proven
right.

Think Galileo Galilei and go from there.

In this case, you and the rest of the "deniers" are on the side opposite
of Galileo.

Not at all. The "Deniers" are Galileo railing against the Church of
Global Warming, Pope Al Gore presiding. :)

Answer me this Harry. How many times in Earth's history, based on
archeological, paleontological and anthropological evidence, has the
Earth warmed or cooled?

Now take those same disciplines and apply them to the time that
Homosapiens has been walking the planet - how many times?

Take your time - I'll be back this evening. :)- Hide quoted text -

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Tom, you mean the sky ain't a-falling???

Tim wrote:
On Jun 25, 6:36 am, Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
On Mon, 25 Jun 2007 07:08:15 -0400, HK wrote:
Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
On Sun, 24 Jun 2007 21:36:27 -0700, Chuck Gould
wrote:
Pointing out the 10-15% of scientists who disagree with the herd and
pointing out instances when some scientist or another was wrong about
previous climate predictions won't erase the very real possibility
that there's a problem
That's the point Chuck. While you may think it's 10-15% of
scientists, and it's certainly presented that way, it's more like
50/60% of scientists disagree. There isn't any consensus even amoung
those who even think that somehow greenhouse gases are causing global
warming.
The simple truth is this - you can either believe in Global Warming or
not believe in Global Warming. You obviously believe in it despite
evidence to the contrary. So does Gene. And I have no problem with
that.
However, every time I, or others, bring up evidence to the contrary,
it's dismissed - politely and reasonably to be sure, but it's still
dismissed under the quise that the evidence isn't in, but....
Just be honest - you believe in it, you think it's humanity's fault
and go from there.
I would also point out that in the history of science, the "deniers"
of established wisdom are usually the ones that are eventually proven
right.
Think Galileo Galilei and go from there.
In this case, you and the rest of the "deniers" are on the side opposite
of Galileo.
Not at all. The "Deniers" are Galileo railing against the Church of
Global Warming, Pope Al Gore presiding. :)

Answer me this Harry. How many times in Earth's history, based on
archeological, paleontological and anthropological evidence, has the
Earth warmed or cooled?

Now take those same disciplines and apply them to the time that
Homosapiens has been walking the planet - how many times?

Take your time - I'll be back this evening. :)- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Tom, you mean the sky ain't a-falling???


The sky is falling but, it will rise again just like it has for hundreds
of thousands of years. The cycle is about 150,000 years with a the
global temperature rising to a point that is about 6*F higher than now
and then it makes a share drop of about 12*F. And the whole process
starts again.

Since we, human type peoples, were not burning coal or oil nor using
aerosol sprays 150, 300 and 450 thousand years ago we can come to the
conclusion that us human type peoples are not the cause of this cycle.