On May 8, 5:07�pm, Wayne.B wrote:
On 8 May 2007 10:45:56 -0700, Chuck Gould
wrote:

The oil companies have a right to earn a profit. We don't have any
right to cheap oil. The frustration is in being so blatantly
manipulated, and a minor amusement is hearing the programmed
apologists offering the freshest round of big oil excuses for the
various refinery emergencies that just happen to occur during the same
strategically beneficial period each year.

OK, so let's assume this is all true and that US petro consumers are
being manipulated to death and taking it in the shorts.

Where else in the world other than Venezuela and a few other big oil
producers can you buy more cheaply? *If the oil companies were having
trouble selling their product, prices would drop in a hurry. *Is that
supply and demand, or is it manipulation?

We're *exporting* refined products from refineries in the Pacific NW
and then justifying some of the highest prices in the nation 'round
here based on "shortage of supply". So the answer to your question is
really both. It's supply and demand, with a manipulated supply side of
the equation.

On Tue, 8 May 2007 12:28:04 -0400, "Eisboch" wrote:


Do you know what cracks me up about some of the various views expressed
about fuel prices?

It wasn't too many years ago that those with more left leaning political
views were concerned about the high consumption rate of gasoline in the USA,
it's continued supply and it's artificially low price per gallon compared to
the rest of the world.

What was or is "artificial" about US gasoline prices compared to the
rest of the world? Our prices, absent taxes, have always been about
the same as everyone elses as far as I know. The only reason we were
paying $1 per gallon while Europe was paying the equivalent of $5 per
gallon was the $4 in extra taxes that they were paying - either as
direct gasoline/energy taxes or the extra income and VAT tax burden on
the refiners and sellers that were reflected into the base fuel
prices. Theirs was and is the "artificial" price.


Dave hall

Conservation was preached, encouraged and some even
advocated raising the price of gas to force further conservation and the use
of smaller, fuel efficient autos in order to reduce demand.


Fast forward to today and it seems that the same people are now blaming big
business greed and politicians lining their pockets for the natural increase
in prices.

Can't win.

Eisboch

"Eisboch" wrote in message
. ..

Do you know what cracks me up about some of the various views expressed
about fuel prices?

It wasn't too many years ago that those with more left leaning political
views were concerned about the high consumption rate of gasoline in the
USA, it's continued supply and it's artificially low price per gallon
compared to the rest of the world. Conservation was preached, encouraged
and some even advocated raising the price of gas to force further
conservation and the use of smaller, fuel efficient autos in order to
reduce demand.



In Europe where gas is outrageously expensive, it is due to high tax on gas.
The high tax funds things like public transportation, conservation,
alternative energy, etc. . The Democrats wanted to raise taxes on gas and
the republicans screamed and would not agree to it. Now we have the high
gas prices but it all goes to big oils bottom line and the America is behind
the world in public transportation and alternative energy. Way to go
republicans!

"John" wrote in message
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"Eisboch" wrote in message
. ..

Do you know what cracks me up about some of the various views expressed
about fuel prices?

It wasn't too many years ago that those with more left leaning political
views were concerned about the high consumption rate of gasoline in the
USA, it's continued supply and it's artificially low price per gallon
compared to the rest of the world. Conservation was preached, encouraged
and some even advocated raising the price of gas to force further
conservation and the use of smaller, fuel efficient autos in order to
reduce demand.



In Europe where gas is outrageously expensive, it is due to high tax on
gas. The high tax funds things like public transportation, conservation,
alternative energy, etc. . The Democrats wanted to raise taxes on gas and
the republicans screamed and would not agree to it. Now we have the high
gas prices but it all goes to big oils bottom line and the America is
behind the world in public transportation and alternative energy. Way to
go republicans!




Bassy, is that you?

On Wed, 9 May 2007 17:36:57 -0400, "John" wrote:


"Eisboch" wrote in message
...

Do you know what cracks me up about some of the various views expressed
about fuel prices?

It wasn't too many years ago that those with more left leaning political
views were concerned about the high consumption rate of gasoline in the
USA, it's continued supply and it's artificially low price per gallon
compared to the rest of the world. Conservation was preached, encouraged
and some even advocated raising the price of gas to force further
conservation and the use of smaller, fuel efficient autos in order to
reduce demand.



In Europe where gas is outrageously expensive, it is due to high tax on gas.
The high tax funds things like public transportation, conservation,
alternative energy, etc. . The Democrats wanted to raise taxes on gas and
the republicans screamed and would not agree to it. Now we have the high
gas prices but it all goes to big oils bottom line and the America is behind
the world in public transportation and alternative energy. Way to go
republicans!



Yup, those liberals were sure pushing for nuclear energy.

"NOYB" wrote in message
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Thank you, Madam Speaker. You're doing a bang-up job.


How do you imagine Pelosi affected gas prices?

"JoeSpareBedroom" wrote in message
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"NOYB" wrote in message
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Thank you, Madam Speaker. You're doing a bang-up job.


How do you imagine Pelosi affected gas prices?


I guess the same way Bush and/or Cheney affected high gas prices last year.
;-)

"JimH" wrote in message
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"JoeSpareBedroom" wrote in message
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"NOYB" wrote in message
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Thank you, Madam Speaker. You're doing a bang-up job.


How do you imagine Pelosi affected gas prices?


I guess the same way Bush and/or Cheney affected high gas prices last
year. ;-)


Well, by creating a war, they *did* increase the perception of risk to the
oil supply. Based on that, gamblers bid up the price.

"JoeSpareBedroom" wrote in message
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"JimH" wrote in message
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"JoeSpareBedroom" wrote in message
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"NOYB" wrote in message
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Thank you, Madam Speaker. You're doing a bang-up job.


How do you imagine Pelosi affected gas prices?


I guess the same way Bush and/or Cheney affected high gas prices last
year. ;-)


Well, by creating a war, they *did* increase the perception of risk to the
oil supply. Based on that, gamblers bid up the price.


If true then gasoline prices would have gone up immediately after the war
started and continued to rise as conflicts continued. That was not the case
though.

Try again.

"JimH" wrote in message
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"JoeSpareBedroom" wrote in message
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"JimH" wrote in message
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"JoeSpareBedroom" wrote in message
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"NOYB" wrote in message
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Thank you, Madam Speaker. You're doing a bang-up job.


How do you imagine Pelosi affected gas prices?


I guess the same way Bush and/or Cheney affected high gas prices last
year. ;-)


Well, by creating a war, they *did* increase the perception of risk to
the oil supply. Based on that, gamblers bid up the price.


If true then gasoline prices would have gone up immediately after the war
started and continued to rise as conflicts continued. That was not the
case though.

Try again.


How often have you heard this little blurb on the news? "Oil jumped a dollar
per barrel on news of renewed violence in (wherever)".