NOYB wrote:
"Harry Krause" wrote in message
...
JoeSpareBedroom wrote:
"NOYB" wrote in message
news "Harry Krause" wrote in message
...

That means that everyone in the country pays for healthcare through
their taxes, and everyone in the country gets healthcare.
What is wrong with:
"Everyone pays for the health insurance plan that thyey choose, and
everyone gets healthcare."

There's nothing theoretically wrong with that, except that for a family
of four in NY, the going price is $700 to $1000 per month, and if you're
above a certain income level, there's nothing cheaper. It's $700, or
nothing. You can be above the income level to qualify for the state's
cheaper plan, but still be unable to afford the $700.

The other problem, at least for me, is the math. Let's say you buy health
insurance because you're afraid of having to deal with a worst case
situation, like cancer. Could the bills total a quarter of a million
dollars for that illness? More, maybe? So, I pay $600 per month (single
person) for health coverage to deal with that eventuality - let's call it
a quarter million, even though I don't know if that's accurate. At the
same time, I pay about $100 a month for life insurance with the same
benefit - a quarter million.

What's wrong here?
Life insurance pays your inheritors when you die, unless you have whole
life.

Health insurance covers your bills, assuming you survive.


Life insurance is really a sucker's bet. The insurance company is betting
that you will live...and you're betting that you'll die.




Term Life makes sense for those you support financially, Whole Life is a
suckers bet.

On Wed, 9 May 2007 17:28:11 -0400, "John" wrote:


"NOYB" wrote in message
hlink.net...
Thank you, Madam Speaker. You're doing a bang-up job.

The Great Oil Robbery

By Dave Lindorff
Created May 8 2007 - 10:12am

In case you're wondering why crude oil prices are down from last year,
hanging around at about $60 a barrel, while gasoline prices have soared past
$3.10/gallon nationwide, just check out the latest profit reports from the
oil companies. They are at record levels.

The answer for this seeming contradiction is simple: Americans are being
robbed blind by the oil industry.

Should have gone nuclear ages ago.

On Wed, 9 May 2007 17:36:57 -0400, "John" wrote:


"Eisboch" wrote in message
...

Do you know what cracks me up about some of the various views expressed
about fuel prices?

It wasn't too many years ago that those with more left leaning political
views were concerned about the high consumption rate of gasoline in the
USA, it's continued supply and it's artificially low price per gallon
compared to the rest of the world. Conservation was preached, encouraged
and some even advocated raising the price of gas to force further
conservation and the use of smaller, fuel efficient autos in order to
reduce demand.



In Europe where gas is outrageously expensive, it is due to high tax on gas.
The high tax funds things like public transportation, conservation,
alternative energy, etc. . The Democrats wanted to raise taxes on gas and
the republicans screamed and would not agree to it. Now we have the high
gas prices but it all goes to big oils bottom line and the America is behind
the world in public transportation and alternative energy. Way to go
republicans!



Yup, those liberals were sure pushing for nuclear energy.

On Thu, 10 May 2007 04:56:14 GMT, "NOYB" wrote:


"thunder" wrote in message

General
Motors, for instance, has been expanding it's operations in Canada, while
shrinking them here. Want to guess the reason?

I know you want to claim the answer is "health insurance"...but the real
answer is "unions".

Once GM and Ford and Chrysler shut their factories here, and move them
abroad, they'll be out from under the unions. And then, 10 years from now,
you can bet that they'll open new union-free operations stateside again.

And the cars will be better made also!

On Thu, 10 May 2007 07:38:57 -0400, Harry Krause
wrote:

thunder wrote:
On Thu, 10 May 2007 04:56:14 +0000, NOYB wrote:

"thunder" wrote in message

General
Motors, for instance, has been expanding it's operations in Canada,
while shrinking them here. Want to guess the reason?
I know you want to claim the answer is "health insurance"...but the real
answer is "unions".

Once GM and Ford and Chrysler shut their factories here, and move them
abroad, they'll be out from under the unions. And then, 10 years from
now, you can bet that they'll open new union-free operations stateside
again.

Come on, NOYB, we were talking about Canada. Your union excuse doesn't
fly. Ever hear of the Canadian Auto Workers? They split from the UAW
because they are more militant, and didn't like the UAW's give-backs.

Oh, and just so you don't think I'm making this up, Google Rick Wagoner.
He is the one who said health care costs are wrecking the US economy.



Most "foreign" manufacturers of autos don't have to factor in health
care costs because their countries have universal health care. That
means that everyone in the country pays for healthcare through their
taxes, and everyone in the country gets healthcare.

The United States leads the world, in the fight for the bottom.

That comment makes you a true patriot, according to basskisser!

"Harry Krause" wrote in message
...
NOYB wrote:
"Harry Krause" wrote in message
...
JoeSpareBedroom wrote:
"NOYB" wrote in message
news "Harry Krause" wrote in message
...

That means that everyone in the country pays for healthcare through
their taxes, and everyone in the country gets healthcare.
What is wrong with:
"Everyone pays for the health insurance plan that thyey choose, and
everyone gets healthcare."

There's nothing theoretically wrong with that, except that for a family
of four in NY, the going price is $700 to $1000 per month, and if
you're above a certain income level, there's nothing cheaper. It's
$700, or nothing. You can be above the income level to qualify for the
state's cheaper plan, but still be unable to afford the $700.

The other problem, at least for me, is the math. Let's say you buy
health insurance because you're afraid of having to deal with a worst
case situation, like cancer. Could the bills total a quarter of a
million dollars for that illness? More, maybe? So, I pay $600 per month
(single person) for health coverage to deal with that eventuality -
let's call it a quarter million, even though I don't know if that's
accurate. At the same time, I pay about $100 a month for life insurance
with the same benefit - a quarter million.

What's wrong here?
Life insurance pays your inheritors when you die, unless you have whole
life.

Health insurance covers your bills, assuming you survive.


Life insurance is really a sucker's bet. The insurance company is
betting that you will live...and you're betting that you'll die.




Term life has its uses if you have a wife and children you leave behind.

Exactly. But once you are financially established and the kids are on their
own you really do not need life insurance anymore.

"Reginald P. Smithers III" wrote in message
. ..
NOYB wrote:
"Harry Krause" wrote in message
...
JoeSpareBedroom wrote:
"NOYB" wrote in message
news "Harry Krause" wrote in message
...

That means that everyone in the country pays for healthcare through
their taxes, and everyone in the country gets healthcare.
What is wrong with:
"Everyone pays for the health insurance plan that thyey choose, and
everyone gets healthcare."

There's nothing theoretically wrong with that, except that for a family
of four in NY, the going price is $700 to $1000 per month, and if
you're above a certain income level, there's nothing cheaper. It's
$700, or nothing. You can be above the income level to qualify for the
state's cheaper plan, but still be unable to afford the $700.

The other problem, at least for me, is the math. Let's say you buy
health insurance because you're afraid of having to deal with a worst
case situation, like cancer. Could the bills total a quarter of a
million dollars for that illness? More, maybe? So, I pay $600 per month
(single person) for health coverage to deal with that eventuality -
let's call it a quarter million, even though I don't know if that's
accurate. At the same time, I pay about $100 a month for life insurance
with the same benefit - a quarter million.

What's wrong here?
Life insurance pays your inheritors when you die, unless you have whole
life.

Health insurance covers your bills, assuming you survive.


Life insurance is really a sucker's bet. The insurance company is
betting that you will live...and you're betting that you'll die.




Term Life makes sense for those you support financially, Whole Life is a
suckers bet.

I have $1.5 million in term life. Almost 2/3 of that is pledged to debt.

NOYB wrote:
"Reginald P. Smithers III" wrote in message
. ..
NOYB wrote:
"Harry Krause" wrote in message
...
JoeSpareBedroom wrote:
"NOYB" wrote in message
news "Harry Krause" wrote in message
...

That means that everyone in the country pays for healthcare through
their taxes, and everyone in the country gets healthcare.
What is wrong with:
"Everyone pays for the health insurance plan that thyey choose, and
everyone gets healthcare."
There's nothing theoretically wrong with that, except that for a family
of four in NY, the going price is $700 to $1000 per month, and if
you're above a certain income level, there's nothing cheaper. It's
$700, or nothing. You can be above the income level to qualify for the
state's cheaper plan, but still be unable to afford the $700.

The other problem, at least for me, is the math. Let's say you buy
health insurance because you're afraid of having to deal with a worst
case situation, like cancer. Could the bills total a quarter of a
million dollars for that illness? More, maybe? So, I pay $600 per month
(single person) for health coverage to deal with that eventuality -
let's call it a quarter million, even though I don't know if that's
accurate. At the same time, I pay about $100 a month for life insurance
with the same benefit - a quarter million.

What's wrong here?
Life insurance pays your inheritors when you die, unless you have whole
life.

Health insurance covers your bills, assuming you survive.

Life insurance is really a sucker's bet. The insurance company is
betting that you will live...and you're betting that you'll die.



Term Life makes sense for those you support financially, Whole Life is a
suckers bet.

I have $1.5 million in term life. Almost 2/3 of that is pledged to debt.




Feel free to list me as the beneficiary for the other 1/3.

"Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message
...
On Wed, 09 May 2007 22:39:21 -0400, Wayne.B
wrote:

On Wed, 9 May 2007 17:28:11 -0400, "John" wrote:

"There's no correlation any longer between crude oil prices and gasoline
prices," he insists. "Crude could drop to $10/barrel, and you could still
have gasoline go to $4/gallon. All the crude oil price does is set a
floor
on gasoline prices."

Nonsense.

Never argue with somebody who doesn't understand the oil/gas spread.

I once entered into an discussion with somebody who wanted to boycott
Exxon Mobile because of excess profits. I tried to explain that a
boycott of Exxon Mobile wouldn't do anything because of the way gas
pricing is structured and how all the major retailers sell gas to each
other all the time.

Also couldn't get him to understand this one simple fact - that demand
decrease (boycott) for one leads to an increase in price for the
others becasue while demand goes down for one retailer, demand goes up
for others supplying the same product.

Just didn't get it.

Simple economics is beyond the ken of most folks.

True enough. Supply and demand, but there is no major interruption in oil
right now, the reason given for high gas price is a bottleneck at the
refineries. Well two facts stick out. 1.) The oil companies all decided
to do maintenance on their refineries at the same time - causing a shortage.
2.) refineries are the biggest cash cow, and have accounted for the largest
increase in oil companies profits this past year.
So are prices being manipulated???

Like Fox says - we report you decide

On Thu, 10 May 2007 18:33:28 GMT, "JoeSpareBedroom"
wrote:

"John H." wrote in message
.. .
On Wed, 9 May 2007 17:28:11 -0400, "John" wrote:


"NOYB" wrote in message
rthlink.net...
Thank you, Madam Speaker. You're doing a bang-up job.

The Great Oil Robbery

By Dave Lindorff
Created May 8 2007 - 10:12am

In case you're wondering why crude oil prices are down from last year,
hanging around at about $60 a barrel, while gasoline prices have soared
past
$3.10/gallon nationwide, just check out the latest profit reports from the
oil companies. They are at record levels.

The answer for this seeming contradiction is simple: Americans are being
robbed blind by the oil industry.

Should have gone nuclear ages ago.


How is nuclear power connected with our consumption of petroleum?


It's *all* connected.

And, we do have fossil fuel powered electric plants.

http://www.eia.doe.gov/cneaf/electri...a/epat1p1.html