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On Thu, 03 May 2007 11:50:05 GMT, Short Wave Sportfishing
wrote: On Thu, 03 May 2007 07:48:28 -0500, John H. wrote: Us farm kids didn't get trained in judging cattle. We got trained in milking them, feeding them, and cleaning up their crap! My uncle was a judge - sheep, goats and milkers. Learned a lot about judging watching him do it for many years. I still couldn't do it though. Requires a special talent to be truthful and accurate about a whole bunch of subjective values. It's not as easy as it looks. Neither is operating a manure spreader! |
OK, I jsut got home, what did I miss?
On Thu, 03 May 2007 08:43:44 -0400, Harry Krause
wrote: Don White wrote: "John H." wrote in message ... On Thu, 03 May 2007 11:50:05 GMT, Short Wave Sportfishing wrote: On Thu, 03 May 2007 07:48:28 -0500, John H. wrote: Us farm kids didn't get trained in judging cattle. We got trained in milking them, feeding them, and cleaning up their crap! My uncle was a judge - sheep, goats and milkers. Learned a lot about judging watching him do it for many years. I still couldn't do it though. Requires a special talent to be truthful and accurate about a whole bunch of subjective values. It's not as easy as it looks. Neither is operating a manure spreader! What...you don't seem to have any trouble shovelin' the s*it around here! Herring has trouble operating his keyboard? What a neat guy! Hank, you are too cool for words. |
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"thunder" wrote in message ... If you want accurate information on global warming, there are far more accurate sources than Glenn Beck, or Al Gore, for that matter. Absolutely...like MIT Professor Richard Lindzen |
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"Harry Krause" wrote in message . .. wrote: On Thu, 03 May 2007 17:15:30 GMT, "NOYB" wrote: "thunder" wrote in message ... If you want accurate information on global warming, there are far more accurate sources than Glenn Beck, or Al Gore, for that matter. Absolutely...like MIT Professor Richard Lindzen Great source, Lindzen..... First, he doesn't believe in his own theories enough to take James Annan's wager and second, he has taken WAY too much money from the likes of Western Fuels and Exxon-Mobil for me to think of him as a unbiased observer. Just to give you another sample of how way-out-there this guy is.....Fred Guterl reported in Newsweek(7/01), after an interview with Lindzen, "[that] he'll even expound on how weakly lung cancer is linked to cigarette smoking. He speaks in full, impeccably logical paragraphs, and he punctuates his measured cadences with thoughtful drags on a cigarette." What did they teach *you* in medical school about tobacco? Or are all of those people creating a false climate of fear, too??? He's the MIT equivalent of that Oklahoma U.S. Senator who is in the back pocket of the oil industry. One thing you can count upon from most dedicated righties: their "experts" are the ones who support the right-wing dogma. Give me a break. GE, Alcoa, Entergy, and Dupont are only a few of dozens of huge corporations who stand to profit immensely from legislation designed to curtail greenhouse gas emmissions. They're actively lobbying members of Congress to enact greenhouse gas-reducing legislation. The global warming theorists certainly don't have a monopoly on the moral high ground. Anthropogenic global warming is a theory perpetuated by alarmism and political motivation. Guys like Lindzen are the Galileo's of our time...persecuted by the Church of AlGoristic Histrionics. When the average global temperatures show a cooling trend in the next 10-15 years, will Algore direct Inconvenient Truth Part Deux: The Next Ice Age? |
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NOYB wrote:
"Harry Krause" wrote in message . .. wrote: On Thu, 03 May 2007 17:15:30 GMT, "NOYB" wrote: "thunder" wrote in message ... If you want accurate information on global warming, there are far more accurate sources than Glenn Beck, or Al Gore, for that matter. Absolutely...like MIT Professor Richard Lindzen Great source, Lindzen..... First, he doesn't believe in his own theories enough to take James Annan's wager and second, he has taken WAY too much money from the likes of Western Fuels and Exxon-Mobil for me to think of him as a unbiased observer. Just to give you another sample of how way-out-there this guy is.....Fred Guterl reported in Newsweek(7/01), after an interview with Lindzen, "[that] he'll even expound on how weakly lung cancer is linked to cigarette smoking. He speaks in full, impeccably logical paragraphs, and he punctuates his measured cadences with thoughtful drags on a cigarette." What did they teach *you* in medical school about tobacco? Or are all of those people creating a false climate of fear, too??? He's the MIT equivalent of that Oklahoma U.S. Senator who is in the back pocket of the oil industry. One thing you can count upon from most dedicated righties: their "experts" are the ones who support the right-wing dogma. Give me a break. GE, Alcoa, Entergy, and Dupont are only a few of dozens of huge corporations who stand to profit immensely from legislation designed to curtail greenhouse gas emmissions. They're actively lobbying members of Congress to enact greenhouse gas-reducing legislation. The global warming theorists certainly don't have a monopoly on the moral high ground. Anthropogenic global warming is a theory perpetuated by alarmism and political motivation. Guys like Lindzen are the Galileo's of our time...persecuted by the Church of AlGoristic Histrionics. When the average global temperatures show a cooling trend in the next 10-15 years, will Algore direct Inconvenient Truth Part Deux: The Next Ice Age? Ooohhhhh....NOYB's been eating GOP graham crackers again. |
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On Thu, 03 May 2007 17:15:30 +0000, NOYB wrote:
"thunder" wrote in message ... If you want accurate information on global warming, there are far more accurate sources than Glenn Beck, or Al Gore, for that matter. Absolutely...like MIT Professor Richard Lindzen I'm not sure what your point is. It's my understanding that Lindzen is a skeptic, not a denier. Skeptics in any scientific debate are a good thing, but as the body of science grows, some skeptics can become flat earthers. I can't say with any certainty that describes Lindzen, but you, on the other hand . . . ;-) Personally, global warming doesn't much concern me, but I do feel it's a symptom that our energy and resource intensive, consumer paradigm will shortly be dead in the water. |
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thunder wrote:
On Thu, 03 May 2007 17:15:30 +0000, NOYB wrote: "thunder" wrote in message ... If you want accurate information on global warming, there are far more accurate sources than Glenn Beck, or Al Gore, for that matter. Absolutely...like MIT Professor Richard Lindzen I'm not sure what your point is. It's my understanding that Lindzen is a skeptic, not a denier. Skeptics in any scientific debate are a good thing, but as the body of science grows, some skeptics can become flat earthers. I can't say with any certainty that describes Lindzen, but you, on the other hand . . . ;-) Science appears to contain a tremendous amount of this is what we believe right now. What is believed to be true in 10 years may be quite a bit different. Personally, global warming doesn't much concern me, but I do feel it's a symptom that our energy and resource intensive, consumer paradigm will shortly be dead in the water. Global warming is a cycle that is "proved" by the geological record. Also, the other planets are experiencing their own global warming that is coincident with the Earth's global warming. Two planets, Mars and Earth, are warming at the same rate and only one of these planets is inhabited by humans. On the planet with the humans it is believed that the warming is due, in a large part, to the humans. What is the cause of the warming on the planet without humans? You can't look at global warming in a vacuum, you have to look at the entire solar system for the cause. |
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wrote in message ... On Thu, 03 May 2007 15:24:39 -0500, John H. wrote: On Thu, 03 May 2007 14:21:03 -0400, wrote: On Thu, 03 May 2007 17:15:30 GMT, "NOYB" wrote: "thunder" wrote in message . .. If you want accurate information on global warming, there are far more accurate sources than Glenn Beck, or Al Gore, for that matter. Absolutely...like MIT Professor Richard Lindzen Great source, Lindzen..... First, he doesn't believe in his own theories enough to take James Annan's wager and second, he has taken WAY too much money from the likes of Western Fuels and Exxon-Mobil for me to think of him as a unbiased observer. Just to give you another sample of how way-out-there this guy is.....Fred Guterl reported in Newsweek(7/01), after an interview with Lindzen, "[that] he'll even expound on how weakly lung cancer is linked to cigarette smoking. He speaks in full, impeccably logical paragraphs, and he punctuates his measured cadences with thoughtful drags on a cigarette." What did they teach *you* in medical school about tobacco? Or are all of those people creating a false climate of fear, too??? Gore's *not* in it for any money? Of course he is. He is an extremist for pay....a writer. I don't think anybody expects him to be otherwise. The difference is that he isn't masquerading as a scientist.... which is a person that *shouldn't* have an opinion for pay on topics relating to his/her academic discipline. Lindzen is a nut-case that people, as far off the opposite deep end as Gore, like to point to as "proof" of their position. Your link is just plain trash put forth by another nut-case and the publisher of such other notable works as "Nuclear War Survival Skills." The "Oregon Institute of Science and Medicine" is just another group of people striking a pose and populating the lunatic fringe of science. -- How about William Gray? |
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