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Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
On Wed, 02 May 2007 15:23:04 -0400, Charlie Morgan wrote: On Wed, 02 May 2007 19:11:52 GMT, Short Wave Sportfishing wrote: On Wed, 02 May 2007 14:46:05 -0400, Charlie Morgan wrote: On Wed, 02 May 2007 18:33:34 GMT, Short Wave Sportfishing wrote: On Wed, 02 May 2007 13:09:19 -0400, Wayne.B wrote: On Wed, 02 May 2007 16:11:14 GMT, Short Wave Sportfishing wrote: Give me an example of "hate speech". Inciting to riot. Hmmmm.... Inciting to riot: "Inciting a riot applies to a person who organizes, encourages, or participates in a riot. I think we should kill all the __________. They shouldn't be allowed to breathe our air! That's hate speech that could end up encouraging others to riot or commit criminal acts that would qualify as "Hate Crimes". No - that's inciting to riot. Has nothing to do with "hate speech". They are two seperate concepts. Depends on how you fill in that obvious BLANK space I included. Insert a racial slur or the name of a specific "protected class", and it becomes both inciting to riot, AND hate speech I understand what you are saying, but they are different. For instance: If I called a group of people "vegetarian tree hugging salad suckers" and they are incensed enough to riot, that's inciting a riot. If I say the same thing and they don't riot, is that still hate speech? If you are low-life Texas redneck, and you get up in front of a larger group of same and say, "let's catch us one of those damned n*****s, chain him to the back of the pick-up and drag him to death," you'd likely be found guilty of hate speech. As you should be. And murder. |
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On Wed, 02 May 2007 16:25:02 -0400, Harry Krause
wrote: Short Wave Sportfishing wrote: On Wed, 02 May 2007 15:23:04 -0400, Charlie Morgan wrote: On Wed, 02 May 2007 19:11:52 GMT, Short Wave Sportfishing wrote: On Wed, 02 May 2007 14:46:05 -0400, Charlie Morgan wrote: On Wed, 02 May 2007 18:33:34 GMT, Short Wave Sportfishing wrote: On Wed, 02 May 2007 13:09:19 -0400, Wayne.B wrote: On Wed, 02 May 2007 16:11:14 GMT, Short Wave Sportfishing wrote: Give me an example of "hate speech". Inciting to riot. Hmmmm.... Inciting to riot: "Inciting a riot applies to a person who organizes, encourages, or participates in a riot. I think we should kill all the __________. They shouldn't be allowed to breathe our air! That's hate speech that could end up encouraging others to riot or commit criminal acts that would qualify as "Hate Crimes". No - that's inciting to riot. Has nothing to do with "hate speech". They are two seperate concepts. Depends on how you fill in that obvious BLANK space I included. Insert a racial slur or the name of a specific "protected class", and it becomes both inciting to riot, AND hate speech I understand what you are saying, but they are different. For instance: If I called a group of people "vegetarian tree hugging salad suckers" and they are incensed enough to riot, that's inciting a riot. If I say the same thing and they don't riot, is that still hate speech? If you are low-life Texas redneck, and you get up in front of a larger group of same and say, "let's catch us one of those damned n*****s, chain him to the back of the pick-up and drag him to death," you'd likely be found guilty of hate speech. Ok - why? If the statement was offered and resulted in nothing other than some cheering and shouting, who did it hurt as a result? Consider: If the Jews want to get it on, tell them to pin their yarmulkes back and come over to my house. Would that be considered hate speech? And murder. Different issue. |
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On May 2, 4:39 pm, Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
On Wed, 02 May 2007 16:25:02 -0400, Harry Krause wrote: Short Wave Sportfishing wrote: On Wed, 02 May 2007 15:23:04 -0400, Charlie Morgan wrote: On Wed, 02 May 2007 19:11:52 GMT, Short Wave Sportfishing wrote: On Wed, 02 May 2007 14:46:05 -0400, Charlie Morgan wrote: On Wed, 02 May 2007 18:33:34 GMT, Short Wave Sportfishing wrote: On Wed, 02 May 2007 13:09:19 -0400, Wayne.B wrote: On Wed, 02 May 2007 16:11:14 GMT, Short Wave Sportfishing wrote: Give me an example of "hate speech". Inciting to riot. Hmmmm.... Inciting to riot: "Inciting a riot applies to a person who organizes, encourages, or participates in a riot. I think we should kill all the __________. They shouldn't be allowed to breathe our air! That's hate speech that could end up encouraging others to riot or commit criminal acts that would qualify as "Hate Crimes". No - that's inciting to riot. Has nothing to do with "hate speech". They are two seperate concepts. Depends on how you fill in that obvious BLANK space I included. Insert a racial slur or the name of a specific "protected class", and it becomes both inciting to riot, AND hate speech I understand what you are saying, but they are different. For instance: If I called a group of people "vegetarian tree hugging salad suckers" and they are incensed enough to riot, that's inciting a riot. If I say the same thing and they don't riot, is that still hate speech? If you are low-life Texas redneck, and you get up in front of a larger group of same and say, "let's catch us one of those damned n*****s, chain him to the back of the pick-up and drag him to death," you'd likely be found guilty of hate speech. Ok - why? If the statement was offered and resulted in nothing other than some cheering and shouting, who did it hurt as a result? Consider: If the Jews want to get it on, tell them to pin their yarmulkes back and come over to my house. Would that be considered hate speech? And murder. Different issue.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - I can't define hate speech, but I know it when I hear it, hey if it's good enough for a senator... |
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Harry Krause wrote:
Short Wave Sportfishing wrote: On Wed, 02 May 2007 15:23:04 -0400, Charlie Morgan wrote: On Wed, 02 May 2007 19:11:52 GMT, Short Wave Sportfishing wrote: On Wed, 02 May 2007 14:46:05 -0400, Charlie Morgan wrote: On Wed, 02 May 2007 18:33:34 GMT, Short Wave Sportfishing wrote: On Wed, 02 May 2007 13:09:19 -0400, Wayne.B wrote: On Wed, 02 May 2007 16:11:14 GMT, Short Wave Sportfishing wrote: Give me an example of "hate speech". Inciting to riot. Hmmmm.... Inciting to riot: "Inciting a riot applies to a person who organizes, encourages, or participates in a riot. I think we should kill all the __________. They shouldn't be allowed to breathe our air! That's hate speech that could end up encouraging others to riot or commit criminal acts that would qualify as "Hate Crimes". No - that's inciting to riot. Has nothing to do with "hate speech". They are two seperate concepts. Depends on how you fill in that obvious BLANK space I included. Insert a racial slur or the name of a specific "protected class", and it becomes both inciting to riot, AND hate speech I understand what you are saying, but they are different. For instance: If I called a group of people "vegetarian tree hugging salad suckers" and they are incensed enough to riot, that's inciting a riot. If I say the same thing and they don't riot, is that still hate speech? If you are low-life Texas redneck, and you get up in front of a larger group of same and say, "let's catch us one of those damned n*****s, chain him to the back of the pick-up and drag him to death," you'd likely be found guilty of hate speech. As you should be. And murder. Why is hate illegal? |
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If we got in front of a large crowd and said Republicans are useless
excrement and don't deserve to live , would that be hate speech? The problem with making thoughts, opinions and words illegal is it reminds me of George Orwell and Big Brother. Shouldn't we make the act illegal and not worry about the words. Churchill made some very strong speeches in his day that might qualify as "hate speech". "BAR" wrote in message . .. Harry Krause wrote: Short Wave Sportfishing wrote: On Wed, 02 May 2007 15:23:04 -0400, Charlie Morgan wrote: On Wed, 02 May 2007 19:11:52 GMT, Short Wave Sportfishing wrote: On Wed, 02 May 2007 14:46:05 -0400, Charlie Morgan wrote: On Wed, 02 May 2007 18:33:34 GMT, Short Wave Sportfishing wrote: On Wed, 02 May 2007 13:09:19 -0400, Wayne.B wrote: On Wed, 02 May 2007 16:11:14 GMT, Short Wave Sportfishing wrote: Give me an example of "hate speech". Inciting to riot. Hmmmm.... Inciting to riot: "Inciting a riot applies to a person who organizes, encourages, or participates in a riot. I think we should kill all the __________. They shouldn't be allowed to breathe our air! That's hate speech that could end up encouraging others to riot or commit criminal acts that would qualify as "Hate Crimes". No - that's inciting to riot. Has nothing to do with "hate speech". They are two seperate concepts. Depends on how you fill in that obvious BLANK space I included. Insert a racial slur or the name of a specific "protected class", and it becomes both inciting to riot, AND hate speech I understand what you are saying, but they are different. For instance: If I called a group of people "vegetarian tree hugging salad suckers" and they are incensed enough to riot, that's inciting a riot. If I say the same thing and they don't riot, is that still hate speech? If you are low-life Texas redneck, and you get up in front of a larger group of same and say, "let's catch us one of those damned n*****s, chain him to the back of the pick-up and drag him to death," you'd likely be found guilty of hate speech. As you should be. And murder. Why is hate illegal? |
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On Thu, 3 May 2007 06:54:31 -0400, wrote:
The problem with making thoughts, opinions and words illegal is it reminds me of George Orwell and Big Brother. Shouldn't we make the act illegal and not worry about the words. Churchill made some very strong speeches in his day that might qualify as "hate speech". Ah - finally - reason. |
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